Why the fuck would you be opposed to universal healthcare?
It's not "socialism." Socialism is an economic system where the workers control the means of production.
Do you really give that much of a shit about your "free market principles"?
You hate the "elites," right? Then make them pay for your healthcare! Unless you're part of the top 1% it'll be no skin off your back.
Shit, wrong picture
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Since everyone has an asshole, doesn't EVERYONE make the rules?
Nigger you can go into a volentary contract with others if you want free healthcare, you have no right to tell me what to do or take my money
>Nigger you can go into a volentary contract with others if you want free healthcare
Link?
>you have no right to tell me what to do or take my money
Intredasting. I suppose you support privatized police forces and militaries and post office too.
>make the elites pay for you
they dont even use their shitty programs you idiot
That's democracy for ya *laugh track*
I don't want to pay for your AIDS treatment, faggot and I shouldn't be forced to.
Even if it didn't adversely affect the economy, I'd rather the 1% have a little bit more money than have faggots receive free health care.
>link
if you ask a doctor to give you free healthcare or start a fund raiser and they agree then you get free healthcare, you dont need a fucking link.
>they dont even use their shitty programs you idiot
So?
Do you people really think Europe is some communist shithole with bread-lines and shit? This is how advanced countries handle healthcare
If it were done right, Universal Healh Care would be ideal. Takes burden off employers, cuts out insurance middleman, cheaper drug costs negotiated. But you know that it would be done in the most repressive, big business, big data way possible. Mandatory vaccinations with god knows what in the syringe etc.
>if you ask a doctor to give you free healthcare or start a fund raiser and they agree then you get free healthcare
What the fuck are you talking about? They're not going to give it to me for free you retard.
>state-controlled healthcare
>it would be done in the most big business way possible
Yikes.
>Why the fuck would you be opposed to universal healthcare?
Because it is impossible. The market delivers healthcare, not government. You're telling me that the market, commanded by government, a system of politics, voting, demagoguery, bureaucrats, waste, fraud, etc, can manage healthcare better than a free and unfettered market?
Are you crazy? Universal healthcare sounds good, but it is not possible, and will destroy our economy and healthcare, over time.
We need an entirely free market healthcare system with zero taxation and much, much less regulation. That is the most productive way to deliver healthcare. Under such a system, the healthcare industry will be so productive and efficient, that we will have abundant and affordable healthcare.
bullshit, this is exactly what you wanted to post you degenerate
This is a very kawaii threade OP :3
If it's not possible, how does every other civilized nation manage to do it?
I support a state that exists only to keep out other states and violates the NAP as little as possible to do this.
no shit because you don't deserve it, you arnt entitled to goods and services for free
Because I don't want to foot the bill every time Tyrone shoots Deshawn. It's basically a bottomless money pit and giving the government that much power is unwise.
So you were wrong.
Spoiler alert, you already do.
Good one.
It comes at great cost. I'm sure you already know about folks coming from Europe and Canada to get treated in America because they can't be in their home countries, right?
It's called lobbying
>great cost
>over time
Gotta have that foresight baby
>You hate the "elites," right? Then make them pay for your healthcare!
That's funny. I make under 20k dollars but your king nigger wanted ME to pay for your health care. I would rather NOT pay for health care because I am healthy and take care of myself, so I never use it and its a waste od money, but he forced me to get it or else pay a fine. Under 20k a year and now I have to spend some of that on something I will never use, to pay for your healthcare.
Yeah, fuck those elites.
Fuck you. Fuck off.
>you have no right to tell me what to do or take my money
Oh so let's abolish the police, fire department, building codes, health codes, public schools, food subsidies, and public infrastructure. MATWA. Make America Third World again.
Now that's edgy.
You are an idiot. You have no idea what you're even talking about do you?
>food subsidies, public schools, building codes
Please do get rid of those, ty.
There actually are people who think that Western Europeans are poor, have bad healthcare and wait times, and always go to the US utopia for healthcare. Studies of healthcare in OECD countries show the exact opposite.
"health codes" too please and thank you. GMOs are banned here for some hippie fag reason.
Wait 4 years for surgery like we do here.
Those snarl words associated with government apply to the private sector too. It's not like private corporations are magically purer than the government.
People willingly getting AIDS shouldn't be allowed into a a subsidized healthcare system.
Please, go ahead and enlighten us with how universal healthcare decreased wait times.
That's literally what these dumb fucks think. They've LITERALLY never worked in corporate America at any great capacity and think corporations are giant, socialist, hug boxes that love the USA. Pffft such goons
SOMEONE'S
Lines are banned in Europe. Reminds them too much of conquering armies marching down their streets.
That's a meme somewhat. Some people go to Britain for healthcare despite the fact that right wing mouthpieces like to shit all over the NHS.
Please do. If someone breaks the NAP we have private police for that. If it comes to it, thumbnukes and tactical navy seal child soldiers too.
15-20 percent more taxes for everyone
You'll end up paying more for other's than if you'd use your own money for medical care.
We already have medicare and medicaid. I don't object in principle. My concern is that it will cost a LOT of money we don't have. We're already running huge deficits. And don't tell me to raise taxes on billionaires. That wouldn't begin to cover it.
Which is funny because I go to Mexico for all my healthcare needs. Dental work? Mexico. Doctor visit? Mexico. Pills? Mexico
Everything healthcare wise is LITERALLY better in Mexico than the USA. Does it have all the fancy bells and whistles and some poo talking down to you? No, but it also doesn't come with a 50k 'surprise' medical bill at the end
Is that why Americans pay twice as much as other countries for healthcare?
Because
1. Niggers and spics use up obscene amounts of healthcare and contribute nothing. I'm not paying for them and no one else should either.
2. I care about medical innovation. Capitalism drives innovation. The only reason we have medical advances is because companies can sell to American markets. It's like if we decided iPhones are a necessity and forced Apple to sell iPhones for 10$. Do you think everyone would have an iPhone 7 now? No. Everyone would have an iPhone 1 and they would never make anything better. Socialism stunts progress.
WILL
>abolish building and health codes
Read "The Jungle." We'd be utterly fucked without some regulations.
Yet it's impossible to find who got it intentionally.
Studies on healthcare in the OECD countries showed that the US had markedly longer wait times and lower quality of care despite being a private system.
You are not entitled to the labor of anyone in the medical field, nor the labor of taxpayers, else simply because you exist.
Look at their income tax
They pay 10-20 percent less than countries with social healthcare.
So, you're cool dropping 20 trillion on other countries, countries which don't threaten us in the slightest, but not taking care of your own? This is the central problem I have with the GOP slime bags, they are not nationalists, the only thing they care about are the corporations and international banking cartels that fund them.
This kind of racism is the reason that you will get impeached.
>Then make them pay for your healthcare!
Some of us have scruples though, I know that is an unfamiliar concept.
>Why the fuck would you be opposed to universal healthcare?
It's money that could be spent giving rich people tax reductions.
What kind of American are you?
>Yet it's impossible to find who got it intentionally.
The most effective way to prevent the spread of AIDS is not fucking gay men. The second most effective method is to not share needles.
Buddy, I'm not going to take your word for it.
Check the cost of their private healthcare. Keep in mind that they still have to co-pay anyway.
Universal healthcare means that I have to pay for those that can't... by law (which means at threat of jail or death).
I don't believe I should have to pay for others peoples healthcare because I don't think it is a basic human right.
I'm not even gonna get into why state enforcement of a particular industry creates huge inefficiencies which lead to insane prices (see aspirin being marked down as a 400 dollar expense even today in the US), and the fact that socialist type healthcare stops the punishment of bad doctors and create a lazy who gives a shit atmosphere.
Sure it will be good for a few years, but after all the good free market doctors leave it will be shit city (see NASA).
The government can still fund science research and does fund science research, your argument is literally bogus.
Trickle down economics always works
t. retard
1)its immoral to steal from anyone even if the purpose is good.
2)it infringes on the freedom of doctor who is treating a person as universal healthcare is notorious for paying people low. A specialist deserves premium pay for his work not low key salary paid by the government.As a result, being a doctor is not profitble and hence healthcare system fails.
3)government is inherently not capable of managing anything propery so relying on government is useless. Relying on government and advocating for government interventions is socialism even if u deny this in your post .
4)work for yoursef asshole and buy your own healthcare. Deserve your own healthcare. Fight for your life. Dont be a beggar
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4)socialism is rape and capitalism is consensual sex, metaphorically speaking
You already pay for those that can't, btw
This, emergency room service is provided at the expense of taxpayers to illegals and nogs regardless of their insurance status. And with Obamacare you're paying a lot more already.
Also, how 'bout I don't read your fictional commie rag.
Anyone who isn't at a shit tier job gets decent benefits from their employer which almost always covers full health, dental, and possibly child care etc...
It's a holdover from the days where the government said they can't increases wages post WW2 so companies began to incentivise you to stay or come not from a pure salary standpoint but benefits package.
Really high end jobs can net you stuff like a free company car, condo, etc...
Also even bottom barrel jobs like McDonalds have full healthcare for their employees. The people without healthcare are literally jobless losers or illegals working under the table 99% of the time.
>The government can still fund science research and does fund science research, your argument is literally bogus.
I'm literally a science researcher (bio phd student), and academia has like zero interest in finding anything useful.
We produce nothing compared to industry.
I didn't mention foreign aid at all. I'm concerned that we are many decades into enormous deficit spending, and I don't want to make the problem any worse. Existing entitlements are already out of control. The first rule of getting out of holes is to stop digging.
He was making a point dumbass, nobody should get free healthcare
BOY THOSE ELITES REALLY ARE FOOTING THE BILL NOW
GOOD THING POOR PEOPLE ARE BEING MADE TO FOOT THE BILL IN THE FORM OF A POOR TAX INSTEAD
OH WAIT FUCK YOU
Pretty surprised you'd use such a metaphor. I had assumed an upstanding Indian lad such as yourself would be all about rape.
Literally, no one cares what you think. Go die in a hole. America is drowning in bankruptcies (which your tax money pays for) fueled by medical debt, your tax money also pays to maintain healthcare facilities all over the nation (which you apparently didn't know, because you're an ignorant retard like most GOP voters). What you are arguing for is paying for healthcare 3x, once in the form of taxes mentioned already, once in the form of insurance and once again in the form of an inefficient/expensive medical system filled with deductibles, co pays, surprise bills you can't negotiate over and a legal system that's in the pockets of the jews. If that's what you really want, in the full context, then you really are a sub 90 retard who should just kys. You don't care about the continuity of our nation, you only care that MAYBE we have to stop dropping 20trillion $ bombs in Syria/Iraq/Shituckistan. You are nothing but a shortsighted parasite and I really hope you get testicular cancer and go bankrupt from the deductibles and copays you fucking faggot.
>you either generate profits for someone else or you're a loser
>You hate the "elites," right? Then make them pay for your healthcare!
Elites steal money you pay, so they want you to pay more. When workers control the system then there are no elites, since if you pay 10 dollars per month that's enough to cover all medical expenses. It's because of the elites who charge you 1000 dollars that you are poor, because they screw you for 990 dollars. This is why they are rich and you are a wageslave.
not an argument
Also go back to r
Its true though. And it pisses me off too everytime i get my paycheck after busting my ass off at work from working overtime 200$ are taken from me, and i dont even have healthcare
Will our wives and children NOT be bred out of existence? Or are you just a stupid nigger?
>you pay too much for healtchare, the solution is to pay more
Agreed, but the healthcare system currently is a giant money pit. Your taxes already cover the many many many bankruptcies that are occuring due to medical debt, fueled because we don't have a single payer option and allow insurance companies to run the marketplace. This is a fact already and the system will fall apart, its inevitable.
Now, those are good points worth addressing. Universal 10k living wage would easily address this and would be cheaper than our current system because there is no government beurocracy to maintain. That is the simplest option to get rid of the entitlement mess. Closing corporate tax loopholes, which are unfunded mandates, would also go a long way to stabilizing the government fiscal budget. Not dropping 20 trillion on military expenses would be a good fucking start to everything as well.
No, listen you fucking moron. We are not saying pay more you dumb fuck, we are saying consolidate the already bullshit healthcare system together, ridding it of billions of $s in insurance paperwork alone. Literally, go fuck yourself you trolly piece of shit 7 y.o
>GOOD THING POOR PEOPLE ARE BEING MADE TO FOOT THE BILL IN THE FORM OF A POOR TAX INSTEAD
...What?
>single payer option
That's a strange way of spelling compulsion.
Sounds like someone didn't watch the Bernie and Ted Cruz debate.
boipucci or gtfo
>(((consolidate)))
you mean force taxpayers to pay for fat people, we know
its retarded