Free speech

Why isn't the U.S. more like Europe when it comes to hate speech? Does not basic human dignity matter more than this absurd free speech absolutism?

The existence of so-called Hate Speech means you no longer have Free Speech. If you're only allowed to say what The State ALLOWS you to say then that's stifled, censored speech. That's the kind of country Uncle Stalin ran.

Liberal here
I'm against hate speech and hate crime laws because I don't think the government should be able to regulate what's goin on in my brain as I do something. It sets a dangerous precedent.

>(((Rosenbaum)))

They should ban alt-left speech

Hate Speech does not even exist: The definition is artificial and malleable.

PS. (((Rosenbaum)))

Go ahead. Try to ban free speech. See how that works out for you.

OF COURSE

> I'm for free speech as long as I like it

>Free speech
>Absolutism
>Wants the state to ban hat speech
Oh boy, American education at it again.
(Both are absolutism, you keked yourself)

That's the difference between a regular liberal and an SJW/progressive.

Next we'll be imprisoning people for thought crime, I can't wait for the minority report future where we get locked up before we even commit a crime. Fuck liberalism, fuck Europe, Fuck Hillary.
But most of all, fuck you OP

Neo-nazis and Fascists shouldn't be allowed free speech because they don't allow others free speech.

motherfucker i get banned from forums all the time for speaking my mind, you think i'm going to stop if you make thought crime real?

fuck off faggot.

> implying people who would limit speech deserve any dignity or are human

>implying burgers are free
go and do an average Sup Forums monologue at your workplace, see how long you live

You mean ANTFA doesn't allow others free speech you fucking apologist

free speech with exceptions is like a submarine with huge holes.

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Anti-fa is all about stopping Fascists and Nazis from destroying free speech though. They're defending it and you should thank them.

should black nats be allowed free speech? should millitant feminists be allowed free speech? should islamists be allowed free speech? should anarchists be allowed free speech?

banning hate speech doesn't mean banning nazis and letting the left spread their offensive nonsense, both have to be contained
neither does any ideology on the far left

Hate speech is a fundamental human right. I hate Islam, and I deserve the right to say so. When I point out basic facts like Islam is oppressive to women and gays, and doesn't allow pork or alcohol, I could be arrested for hate speech, but I shouldn't be

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Put yourself in the shoes of the government. You have a population, a significant number of them really pretty stupid and gullible, and willing to jump on whatever self destructive bandwagon the next half charismatic guy comes up with. What's you're action to stop him from fucking shit up?

No

No they fucking aren't you complete fucking pile of shit, they are using violence to intimidate people. They are literally chilling freedom of expression from EVERYONE on the right including the people who aren't Nazis. You twats have done more to damage freedom of expression than any other generation in history. Congrats.

>Anti-fa is all about stopping Fascists and Nazis from destroying free speech though
shut the fuck up, they're anarchists, they used to blow shit up until they got banned

the only reason the nazis were allowed to exist is because they were seen as a check against communists and anarchists

I wish the old Hickory would come to life just to shoot you in your fucking face

>be allowed free speech

free speech is a right not a privilege, Heil Hitler

3rd worlders don't value it anyway so it wont be long

>You have a population, a significant number of them really pretty stupid and gullible, and willing to jump on whatever self destructive bandwagon the next half charismatic guy comes up with. What's you're action to stop him from fucking shit up?
you hang the ringleaders of any organisation that doesn't preach absolute obedience to the state

At first it's "Ban free speech from neo-nazis", and then it's "Anybody who disagrees with me is a neo-nazi". That's how it goes.

They are the same people who sincerely believe frog posting white identitarians are literally the German national socialists from 70 years ago.

people tells governments what to do, not the other way around.

Antifa just try to get revenge on those attacked arbitrarily for being in . It's nothing more than that.

>Heil Hitler
But Hitler didnt support the freedom of speech though.

Learn English or shut the fuck up

Constitutional commitment to free speech.

Europe now has a tradition of free speech but they have the ability to ban specific things

If a law targets specific speech in America the courts are required to use the toughest be scrutiny and it literally has only ever worked with nuclear secrets


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Commies aren't human

Do you think it's true that people losing an argument start to resort to namecalling?

No I think it's true I couldn't understand jack shit of what you are saying and that it sounds like you're making excuses for people using terrorism to keep others from expressing themselves.
Again, learn English or shut the fuck up

You can not have democracy without free speech.
If somebody is retarded it should be said out loudly.

Yep.
Lenin could pop up in central park tomorrow extolling the virtues of communism, and even though I disagree with everything he says I'd defend his right to say it because that's how free speech works. Hate speech is just a post nazism term coined to describe words that hurt on an emotional level to silence ideas unpopular to the establishment.

There is a seperation from speaking your mind to activley threatening and supporting violence. Nazism and communism should be allowed to exist, so that they are challenged in a constant basis in the public sphere and thus dont develope a cult following.

The only reason more people are talking about communism and naziism is in part because of education bias, but by extension it also goes into the whole 'these ideas are toxic' pile of society.

When a view isnt expressed and challenged on a consistent basis it garners supports from societal critics, skeptics and the paranoid. Its like everyone in modern society not really questioning or looking deep into the holocaust. Naturally people who look at things by the question and not by the given are more likely to indulge themselves in radical beliefs.

Radical beliefs that teter the line between hate speech and free speech must continue to exist therefore, so as to develope a more conscientious public and informed common intellectual.

>Nazism is all about stopping Anarchists and Commies from destroying society though. They're defending it and you should thank them.
this is your logic
then fuck democracy

>Rosenbaum
They are not even pretending at this point, lmao. When do you think will they officially announce themselves as your new feudal overlords?
So far they are testing you by removing Confederate monuments, sooner or later free speech will follow

Pretty sure this cuck took a wrong turn at cnn.com and ended up here. Fuck off.

Reductio ad Stalinum.

Your sentence reads like any SJW labeling any slightly conservative view "OMG literally Hitler!"

My favorite thing about hate speech laws is that if I convert to Islam because I feel like raping some women, they can't do jack shit to me because I could just accuse them of being Islamophobes and get them shunned from society for their intolerance of other cultures.

That'll teach you to try and ruin my reputation you dumb raped white cunt.

And then you stagnate.

If neo-nazies should be robbed from ther free speech, so should commies and other left wing extremists

no tolerance for intolerant. When radical Islamist cant preach so cant nazis.

It's 2017, time to do away with free speech (for nazis).

That's indeed what people who claim when they start spouting inane bullshit and people call that out.

Free speach cannot have limitation or so will our ability to reason. Freedom of speach limits would be far more damaging then hateful speach. Those who seek to limit our speach look to control our ideas as much as people who preach hate.

>Rosenbaum
Every fucking time.

People who advocate taking other people's civil liberties do not deserve civil liberties themselves.

>rosenbaum

The state should have zero right to dictate the speech of free citizens. End of story.

(((Rosenbaum))). I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

>all the authoritarian cucks here
Weeew lad.

> then fuck democracy
This is just great example of internal workings of your retarded brain, Achmed.

Get fucked.

So you believe in the slippery slope, of censorship, eh?

Then why do you mock us when we believe in the slippery slope of genocide? Nazis didnt wake up one day and decide to put all Jews into camps. This was the consequence of decades worth of free speech calling Jews parasite vermin that bleed a host nation dry, that contribute nothing useful to society (pic related) and therefore the resistance to National Socialist measures to ethnically cleanse Europe off the Schlomos was next to non-existent.

tl;dr: we believe hate speech leads to physical persecution. you believe hate speech censorship leads to censorship of everything. Who is more paranoid?

hes right though

as soon as you start banning speech due to somebody taking offense then there is no limit to what speech could be banned. People can be offended by literally anything.

OP if you think the government ought to regulate speech you're a dirty piece of shit

and if you have free speech you decline

the europe of the 21st century is weaker than that of the 20th
fuck off hippie
>estonia
you don't get to say shit about stagnation lmao

>Go to sweden
>Rape young girl
>I am sorry, this is not my primary language. I identify as a Muslim. I do not understand the meaning of this "no" or why "women" are not property to do what I wish with.
>If this is a matter of compensation I shall compensate the girl's father with two of my best goats.

idc if someone controls what i do if that person is exactly like me

>(((Rosenbaum)))

>Hate speech

There's so many things so wrong with that absurd concept, and to think that in Europe we have laws literally censoring and even jailing people who according to some subjective interpretation of the word, they "hate".

In 2017 you are not even allowed to express your "hate", let that sink in for a moment.

Your country is on the verge of suicide with the chances of any mildly nationalist party winning being near zero. Your one and only victory was Brexit, that's it. You're still filled to the brim with shitskins in major cities and you need a license to own a TV.

Because the jews deserve genocide, you kike

Every time

Or, you know, someone with fresh new ideas.

Check those numbers for silent era vs. Millennials.

back then the free speech sign was about criticizing war and advocating for blacks to have more rights

now it is about proposing a white ethnostate, booting every single illegal spic across the border, offering helicopter rides for marxists, and cleansing jews off gov positions. hence, the free speech sign was burned.

If you attack someone for being within a specific sub-group of society. That's basically it. If there was some guy walking around beating up people with brown hair because they have brown hair, it'd also fall under hate speech.

When are you gonna realize that if you faggot Communists keep relying on Big Brother government to restrict people's freedom that they aren't going to take it?

Hahahaha, fucking Estonia.

The founding "fathers" of the really outdated constitution could not see the future because they did not have a diverse arrangement to write the document.
They were slavers and white men who could barely see beyond their own wallets.
Free Speech does not protect hate speech in a truly modern world.

Swasticas? Absolutely disgusting. Also the jew in the thumbnail looks like Willy wonka

>Why does the most fundamental human right matter more than my fee fees?

T. Every leftist ever

That was some A-historic nonsense. 10/10

>Your country is on the verge of suicide
lmao
>You're still filled to the brim with shitskins in major cities
shitskins are our allies against the jew
>speech that is offensive to minorities
this isn't even hate speech, this is one rule for whites one rule for nonwhites
>criticizing war and advocating for blacks to have more rights
you mean advocating treason and civil disobedience

show that chart to yuropoors and they'll freak, thinking your nation is full of Hitlers

>Wahhh! Why am I not allowed to be a neo-nazi who irrationally hates everyone who doesn't look like me and tow my exact thoughts!!!???????

It must be lonely, being right-wing in Denmark... I'm so sorry.

>Free speech is the most fundamental human right

Remind me where you got this silly belief of yours from, again?

>t. """Empire"""
Face it. You used to be a great empire but now you are nothing but a irrelevant faggot cuck island east of France.
I wish I had my ENGLAND YES folder on my phone. I really do.

Brexit significantly reduced freedom for millions of brits due to some vague patriotic feeling from uninformed leavers. What now?

being right is wrong now. WTF i love stalin now.

(((THANE ROSENBAUM)))

>Wahhh! Why am I not allowed to be an anarchist who irrationally hates people who aren't poor like me and tow my exact thoughts!!!???????
because nonwhites are allowed to be neonazis who irrationally hates people who doesn't look like me, like it's absurd that black nationalists are allowed to come out of the woodwork and march in black lives matters rallies while neonazis aren't allowed to do the same

we're nowhere close to a white ethnostate by the way so the idea that if you let them speak we get nazis in power is absurd

It's better to have been powerful and lost than to be Estonia. Eastern Europe is like sub-saharan africa with white people

Because men have died to defend that right. We realize the importance of free speech because one can never predict the fickle winds of public opinion. Today it's the Neo-nazis opinions which are "hate speech" but tomorrow it could be you. And if you try to fuck with it, more people will die for for it it will be you.

No, I know when it applies, I just don't agree with the concept.

In the end it's more harmful than helpful, to begin with it polices adults like they are children by prohibiting them certain words or the public expression of concepts like "hatred", and it is ultimately used as a way of censorship disguised with a moralistic makeup.

You're not a liberal
Hate speech falls under hate crime. Hate speech =/= free speech.

(((Thane Rosenbaum)))

>it's a "I don't believe in right to freedom of speech but I have an opinion on politics" retarded user
The only people who do t believe in freedom of of speech are those with nothing to say

Many adults are like children and they do discriminate for utterly retarded reasons. How else do you combat their shit?

>Should Neo-Nazis Be Allowed Free Speech?
>Thane ((((((((((((((((Rosenbaum))))))))))))))))))

>I only support free sperch as long as free speech provides my own opinion

By the way there isn't free speech absolutism. Either you have free sperch or not.