/lrg/ - LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL
This thread is for the discussion of capitalism, libertarianism, conservatism, anarcho-capitalism and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace.
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GENERAL READING LIST
>Basic Economics - Thomas Sowell
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>The Law - Frédéric Bastiat
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>Free To Choose - Milton and Rose Friedman
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>Nicomachean Ethics - Aristotle
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>Hayek’s The Constitution of Liberty - Eugene F. Miller
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>Liberalism: In the Classical Tradition - Ludwig von Mises
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Julian Roberts
HOPPE READING LIST
>The Economics and Ethics of Private Property (1993; 2006 2nd edition)
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>A Short History of Man: Progress and Decline (2015)
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>Democracy—The God That Failed (2001)
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>A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism (1988; 2010 edition)
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>From Aristocracy, to Monarchy, to Democracy (2014)
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>The Myth of National Defense: Essays on the Theory and History of Security Production (2003)
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>The Private Production of Defense (1998; 2006 edition)
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>Economic Science and the Austrian Method (1995)
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>What Must Be Done (2009)
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Daniel Butler
MISES READING LIST
>The Mises Reader Unabridged
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>The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality
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>Marxism Unmasked
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>Profit and Loss
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>Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis
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>Human Action
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>Omnipotent Government: The Rise of the Total State and Total War
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>Bureaucracy
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>Liberalism: In the Classical Tradition
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Noah Diaz
*sips democratic tears*
Easton Morris
Nice
Leo White
Oh boy I was waiting for this thread!
Jordan Mitchell
What's going on my dudes.
Daily reminder that individualism is not egalitarianism. Yes we're all individuals but all individuals are NOT the same. I don't want smelly, brown, degenerate and commie individuals in my private community.
Leo Cox
Post >yfw someone doesn't methodological dualism.
Lincoln Brown
You guys be inclusive now. Remember we don't tolerate hate here.
Juan Baker
I don't understand this faggot. Does he really expect private land owners in a state of anarchy to have open boarders?
Jayden Edwards
Cucker
Elijah Martinez
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Levi Carter
What I choose to watch my wife do with other men is my business, keep your hate to yourself.
Robert Cruz
GIMME MY GUNS
Gavin Allen
Gimme my gun.
Gavin Gomez
Thank you.
I belive that if Norwegian economy is to survive after the natural resources is spendt, it needs to adapt a more capitalist economy.
However I need more depth beyond my own thoughts and theory's to be able to argue it.
I did some courses in micro, macro and general economics some years back, but other than that I'm pretty green on the subject.
What book should I start with?
Asher Reyes
Fugg that flag was the first ancap OC I ever made.
Evan Anderson
Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell, or Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt.
Michael Williams
The Problem With Socialism by Thomas DiLorenzzo
Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell
Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazzlitt
All very good books and not even verging into AnCap territory.
Alexander Anderson
GIMME MY GUN
Charles Perez
What are the steps we can take towards a more libertarian society?
Blake Torres
This is THE introductory book to Austrian economics.
Lincoln Ramirez
Do this
Wyatt Thomas
Yes but how do we get those things passed?
Owen Long
Push for legislation. I dont know the situation in australia, but rallying with like minded people to protest government intervention and spending might do something. Mabye get a list of definitive points everyone can agree on in certain policy issues. But preferably you should pander to some mahor party fuckfaces in some way to gain more traction, or you could just go your own way and just push for what you belive is right.
If you wanna organize one ill see what I can do.
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Sebastian Gutierrez
Cultural influence via internet
Cultural influence via academic institutions
Secession movements
States rights movements
Voting
Easton Sullivan
Hazlitt seems like the best choice, better start reading.
Thanks again
Adam Morgan
These something you have to realize when it comes to discussing libertarian ideas. Your emphasis should be to help people arrive to your conclusions, not just teach it to them. Instill the ideas and have them arrive to it. The other point is while you should understand the theory it matters more to have nice witty arguments and talking points rather than full fledged arguments.
Christopher Myers
is he actually a cuck?
Brody Johnson
For the sake of discussion, as I am relativley moderate when it comes to my libertarian beliefs, why do ancaps think that their ideology is good? I know that thats pretty general but in terms of how humans work and function it just seems like its a recipe for not neccisarily a plutocracy but a totalitarian monarchy that strips away freedom by means of contracts and enforces equality through monopolaic concepts of pay and distribution similar to a communist state.
Elijah Cox
Essentially what the other guy said () plus pushing for political decentralization, i.e. regionalism, secession and separatism. Alternatively we all leave our countries and go to Liberland or to one of the Seateading Institute's floating cities. Although I'd be sad to leave my nation to commies and socialists.
Angel Gonzalez
Most likely.
Charles Wood
>thread is on page 6 in no time
Hmmmmm
Kayden Reed
I bet it was the Jews.
Elijah Bennett
Why does it seem like a recipe for totalitarianism?
Levi Watson
>Your emphasis should be to help people arrive to your conclusions, not just teach it to them. Instill the ideas and have them arrive to it.
Very good point, goes for any discussing really.
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Benjamin Smith
Well technically libertarian policy allows jews to prosper more.
Well the only widely known historical reference thats similar enough would be the gilded age in america, after the reconstruction era of the civil war.
Essentially the charasmatic, virtuous and genetically advantaged create massive investment and economic growth, playing with each other until short term and long term priorities mutually come in contact and monopolies are formed via company buy outs. Then you have the **"memes of production"** controlled by (((robber barons))). And then their kids inherit some part of either the company or personal funds, they then grow up spoiled and not self made and/or just not as competent (see historical monarchies). and then ruthless political oriented bisuness people in the upper manegment make the company lose face and whalla you have a contractual modern day corperate jewry tier totalitarian fuckery factory. Equality of opportunity doesnt hold as much weight for the common or poor man and the rich design loopholes in legislation.
Owen Kelly
Kek, libertarians want to tear down the Zog. We're not helping them, we're the opposition.
Josiah Harris
The free market never fa......
Lucas Anderson
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The Great Depression was worsened by the Fed and interventionist policies. It would've sorted itself out in months had the government not intervened. People can't delay consumption forever.
Christopher Wilson
Except, you're not, you're just removing their worst enemy, the state and handing them full control of your kingdom. Taxes for social programs are the Jews worse nightmare.
Jack Jackson
Why the fuck is every jew using the state as its toy then. All of these fucking jews are advocateing for the most senile bullshit and misleading the public by means of the state most of all. The second they started fucking with equality of opportunity and lobbying to gain corperate benifits, they were on top.
Ethan Collins
I disagree. Keynesian economics helped greatly in america as did facism in germany, but it is true that long term the great deppression would have been solved without as many consequences via free market principles and protections.
Jonathan Hernandez
>the Jews worst enemy is draining the goyims resources on free abortions for white women.
I wonder who could be behind this post.
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Jayden Myers
Firstly, you've admitted that the best individuals in society would be the ones to gain control of the means of production. However, you fail to mention the fact that these individuals are able to secure this economic power because they are the best at serving the interests of consumers. Charisma, virtue and genetics are all merely secondary to the ability to provide value - which is directly determined by consumers.
Secondly, you mention inheritance as a detriment to efficiency and you mention business failure. Then you say that this results in corporate totalitarianism? I don't understand your line of reasoning. You say that the best value creators in society will become the most popular value creators, but you don't say why that's bad. You say that inheritance causes lack of competition and thus failure, but you say that this results in market domination?
Connor Morgan
Then why has the state become undeniably larger over the last century?
Logan Sullivan
For reference look up noam chomsky as a small example. Then look at his net worth. Its hypocritical bullshit. At this point a strong state only helps the jews solodify their power. Breaking the power bloc that is the banks and restoring confidence in a gold standard would do wonders. As would breaking corperate control, starting with reinstating and heavily inforcing the public domain law.
The state has its place, but most certainly not every place.
Cooper Diaz
that's why the jews are the foremost neoconservatives and part of the biggest lobbying groups in Washington. They crave state power
Parker Ward
>The Great Depression was worsened by the Fed
Technically true, but you're distorting context. The fed could have issued more credit to help hasten recovery, but they couldn't because the Gold Standard was still in effect at the time. At that time, the amount of credit the Federal Reserve could issue was limited by the Federal Reserve Act, which required 40% gold backing of Federal Reserve Notes issued. By the late 1920s, the Federal Reserve had almost hit the limit of allowable credit that could be backed by the gold in its possession.
Connor Cook
>Keynesian economics helped greatly in america
>FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
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Chase Williams
> gold standard
I_want_another_Great_Drepression.txt
The first known Great Depression happened in 1800' because of the lack gold. It was resolved by British discovering more gold in southern Africa. What will save us from another gold standard great depression 21st century?
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Eli Kelly
>The free market never fa...
Capitalism has sweet spots. There have been several attempts to free up markets by reducing the size of the state in controlled environments. It usually starts out as a success until a certain point before the markets start to saturate. Mixed market economies have been proven to be superior to free market ones. Having businesses and state programs that compete against each other weakens the negative trade offs of both.
>The Great Depression was worsened by the Fed and interventionist policies.
It definitely was but hindsight is always 20/20.
>It would've sorted itself out in months had the government not intervened.
Only because Germany decided to chimp out and start flinging shit at the rest of the world for the second time in a row. The free market wouldn't have been able to get the United States out of depression without such a huge external stimulus.
>Why the fuck is every jew using the state as its toy then.
Because right-wingers are stupid enough to keep voting to give them tax cuts without fixing the corruption in our system first.
>All of these fucking jews are advocateing for the most senile bullshit and misleading the public by means of the state most of all.
You mean misleading the public through privately owned mass media?
>The second they started fucking with equality of opportunity and lobbying to gain corperate benifits, they were on top.
Again, I repeat, right-wingers did this. Maybe you should stop voting for them.
Caleb Gonzalez
>Having businesses and state programs that compete against each other weakens the negative trade offs of both.
Bentley Brooks
People could have commodity based currencies like silver.
Eli Martin
>Firstly, you've admitted that the best individuals in society would be the ones to gain control of the means of production.
Yes, this is a given
>However, you fail to mention the fact that these individuals are able to secure this economic power because they are the best at serving the interests of consumers.
This is applicable only in a policy of ethics and/or compitition. When you remove compitition, the primary motivation is ethics. When you remove both, you have a monopolistic identity that abuses its postition to sell the very needs of daily life to its own workers which it pays on a basis of profit exploitation. It is a very bad issue for people because they cant effectivley show their true worth unless they fundamentally change the means or supply of consumption. Ie. Solar and wind as a means instead of buying overpriced oil. Even this would struggle to be passed effectivley. Companies in the past have purposefully taken a hold of or stifled alternatives by means of monetary acquisition or simply lobbying and corporate sabatoge. They have the ability to do so.
Charisma, virtue and genetics are all merely secondary to the ability to provide value - which is directly determined by consumers.
And when the consumers have no choice or are ringed into a contractual mess controlled by multiple companies with the same aim and goal (see banks) you get as explained above. If the state can do it. So can companies. Both are potential exploitative entities with essentially the same goal.
>Secondly, you mention inheritance as a detriment to efficiency and you mention business failure. Then you say that this results in corporate totalitarianism?
Nope. Bisuness failure results in short term worries being compensated by long term control (company buy out) this then results in multiple generations of progressively nastier CEOs and members of higher managment (see monarchism) and that leads to effective totalitarian-like control under a monopolaic entity.
Jonathan Smith
She is my third favorite porn star
Ethan Bailey
>The first known Great Depression happened in 1800' because of the lack gold. It was resolved by British discovering more gold in southern Africa.
reddit, I believe that you really believe that. I also believe you are ignoring that we still have depressions despite inflating our money and taxing everyone!
Henry Rivera
I concur
>I don't understand your line of reasoning. You say that the best value creators in society will become the most popular value creators, but you don't say why that's bad.
Like hell its inherently bad. The gilded age represented ww2 levels of industrial and economic growth. Its the long term consequences of giving a single type or set of institutions so much power that they could literally be considered institutions (modern day corporations)
>You say that inheritance causes lack of competition and thus failure, but you say that this results in market domination?
Inheritance when applied to any power position must be earned to ensure trust, competence and righteousness. When it is not, you have shit monarchs and dictators. To have that kind of power, you need prior market domination which is devoid of competition.
Daniel Russell
>Because right-wingers are stupid enough to keep voting to give them tax cuts without fixing the corruption in our system first
every attempt to fix corruption using the state is an exercise in further corruption
Dominic Nelson
Corruption is applicable to all levels of authority. Not just government.
Andrew Scott
>Eliminating all safeguards against corruption will end corruption
Owen Cooper
Read a book, nigger. But you can start with wiki.
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Brayden Cook
>I also believe you are ignoring that we still have depressions despite inflating our money and taxing everyone!
On the scale of what happened in the 1930's? No, not really.
Carson Morales
I am in a firm belief that by manipulation from the fed the market is gonna go through the floor someday and theres gonna be nothing left at the supermarket. But thats mostly based on superstition, I dont have any well rounded infographics or evidence.
Zachary Ortiz
>I have no evidence of this, but I firmly believe it.
No point in even arguing then.
Wyatt Kelly
Can someone explain property rights to me? Its property in myself and everything else is an extension of that? So from self ownership flows my right to labor and capital and all the rest?
Colton Jenkins
>the Jews worst enemy is draining the goyims resources on free abortions for white women.
Minorities have abortions at a disproportionately higher rate compared to white women. If anything abortions are helping white birth rates and reducing crime.
>Then why has the state become undeniably larger over the last century?
Because big business keeps getting bigger and bigger and it colludes with the state. We need to find ways to stop collusion and create competition. I don't know much about Australian laws or economics but here in the states, overturning Citizens United would be a huge step.
The issue I have with right-wing Libertarian philosophy is that reducing the size of the government would allow corruption to spread faster than competition causing the corrupt individuals controlling everything to gain unrestricted power without another power structure to fend them off. I personally believe taking a large state and swinging it at big business would be a lot more effective.
>For reference look up noam chomsky as a small example. Then look at his net worth. Its hypocritical bullshit.
Noam Chomsky is a philosopher living in a capitalist society. His net worth is a reflection of his success. If you're implying that Noam Chomsky is Jew behind the curtain rigging markets then you are far beyond saving. I don't understand the argument you were trying to make here. Also Karl Marx said on several occasions that he loved capitalism because he was the son of a wealthy factory owner and didn't have to work for a living. He claimed that capitalism treated him very very well but that didn't stop him criticizing it.
Asher Clark
Lol you fool, niggers want kids so they can get even more benefits, even though they don't intend on raising their niglets anyway.
Carson Edwards
>At this point a strong state only helps the jews solodify their power.
The Jews have already solidified their power through big business. The only thing weakening that state would do is gives those business that control the market more power.
>Breaking the power bloc that is the banks and restoring confidence in a gold standard would do wonders.
I agree with breaking up the big banks but bringing back the gold standard would just lead to another depression.
>As would breaking corperate control, starting with reinstating and heavily inforcing the public domain law.
I kind of like this.
>The state has its place, but most certainly not every place.
I agree with this also which is why you should allow businesses and the state to compete. Competition is the best way to find who is right for the particular job.
Lincoln Gonzalez
>Lol you fool, niggers want kids so they can get even more benefits, even though they don't intend on raising their niglets anyway.
The statistics say otherwise. Google it and you'll find out for yourself.
Jacob Rodriguez
I know nogs get more abortions, they also receive more child support from their baby daddies, because the state makes then pay up. They also receive more general welfare, ebt, healthcare. The state sure likes to make sure our working folk support those niggers.
Also stop posting tatted crack whores. you're addicted to kike pornography if you have that many pictures saved.
Robert Wood
You have sources, Cite them. I cite history. If you have any directly contradicting examples from history that is proven to be true and is directly against my historical examples, then show them.
The massive economic collapse happening meme is just a meme I buy. That doesnt really discount everything else I said doesnt it?
Owen Reyes
For the Economic side of things:
>Economics in One Lesson by Hazlitt
For the Political side:
>Anatomy of the State by Rothbard
Carter Martinez
- Ancap is impossible without passing through a stage where the planet has a true global hegemon who then literally cucks all other great powers of their offensive capacities while also avoiding a total war, and a system is put in place that precludes all private communities from deploying WMDs. Development of WMDs are defined to be a violation of the NAP.
- The only feasible candidate for a global hegemon is the US. The only realistic mechanism for precluding all the resulting private communities from needing/wanting WMD is some sort of intrusive AI that can monitor all activity and preempt such illicit developments by informing optimal coalitions of private communities on when, where and how they must act to prevent a rogue PC from this particular form of NAP violation. The global community develops this system and the global hegemon simultaneously disbands its offensive capabilities.
- Development of superior AI to the global referee AI is also not allowed by any individual and/or PC unless there is a 99% global vote to disband the prohibition and allow AI research to proceed towards the singularity.
Surely the design of such a system would be nontrivial and fail safes, zero day vulnerabilities, backdoors, secure voting/signaling etc. would be serious concerns if not insurmountable flaws.
Assuming a sufficiently robust AI exists, and it wouldn't have robot drones or any power other than to observe and inform in a manner that insures maximal fair play amongst all factions, would this usher in a golden age of libertarian excellence without any skynet doomsday scenarios?
There's an AI researcher who has conceived of a "nanny AI" that is far more intrusive than what I have outlined for purposes of easing humanity towards singularity type futures.
Alright, critique this scenario apart.
Anthony Nelson
>Unironically calling a market with a central bank a free market.
John Hernandez
>I know nogs get more abortions, they also receive more child support from their baby daddies, because the state makes then pay up.
Irrelevant to the argument and I don't understand how that is a bad thing. Child support makes irresponsible father financially responsible and that is solely thanks to the state. Less child support means that the state would have to hand out more welfare.
>They also receive more general welfare, ebt, healthcare.
So why are against abortions again, when abortions reduce the amount of people depending on the state for welfare.
>The state sure likes to make sure our working folk support those niggers.
>our working folk
>not you yourself
Yes and I am one of those working folk who pays my taxes. If you're not currently employed and contributing to society, I would worry more about seeking employment and getting off of welfare yourself instead of worrying about niggers being on welfare. If you live with apes, it's hard to be clean. Also, a pack of starving niggers is way worse than a normal pack of niggers.
>Also stop posting tatted crack whores.
No.
>you're addicted to kike pornography if you have that many pictures saved.
How is this a problem and how does this effect you in any way?
Colton Campbell
bump
Carter White
Awful dismissal and protection. Never did I say I don't have a job or receive welfare. Also go ahead be a degenerate. I thought maybe you'd care. I was wrong.
Dominic Rivera
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Luke Morgan
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David Collins