Why Don't MSM Consider TradeSchool Education?

>MSM makes case against Trump based on how many "uneducated whites" voted for Trump
>"Education" doesn't include Trades, Certificates or Military
>If did, # of "educated" voters for Trump would be more than for Hilary
Another example of using "facts" to create a false narrative in Das Luggenpres?

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they are elitist scum

Is not a trade a form of useful education?
Is not a plumber more valuable for society than a Gender Studies Major?
Is hard, real work; specialty work on which our civilization is built not worth a bit of respect?

Yes, yes, and not only is it worth a bit of respect, it builds character and strength. Both things that are severely lacking in the western world.

But it's okay to punch down as long as your on the left

Because doing otherwise means:

>Kids will go to their liberal indoctrination colleges instead
>Kids will come out with useless degrees that thousands of others are coming out with at the same time, thus creating difficult employment and therefore loans and handouts that lead to positive outlook on Government dependencies

Trade jobs are based around core life skills that allow people to be independent and self sustaining. They WANT people to view this type of work as unsatisfactory.

Wow.
I never considered that before.
I just assumed ignorance as the cause.

Agreed.

but how do you get a trade job? it's not very clear

Lefty here.

Trades and trade schools are good and useful and contribute to society. There should be as many opportunities available as possible for people of all abilities.

I'm not sure what narrative you're trying to spin, but it sounds like a straw man.

Because all those forms of education you listed are for bad goys.
The good goys go to college to get dumber and easier to manipulate :)

You pick a trade you like and go to school for it

>when the bait is weak

I'm making 3 Points
The first you agree with
2, The MSM claim that "uneducated whites" put Trump into Office is suspect and that it's in poor taste
3, The MSM purposely does this for the effect of "only stupid people support Trump"

because they are elites, and we have a generation of egotists who don't realize they can make 60k a year at 22 if they actually do a physical trade. We are so lopsided in today's culture, that's why we get so many immigrants from Mexico and latin america for these jobs. All the whites are fucking autistic and say to themselves "I'm better than a trade. I'm an intellectual."

We unironically need to go back the Prussian System, where you get funneled into careers.

>20% for the shit jobs
>40% for the trades
>20% for military
>10% for clergy/humanities
>10% for intellectuals/scientists

But today they try to make it totally top-headed with no baseline because everyone wants to pretend they are IQ 145 geniuses and any actual work is beneath them.

Of course reality catches up, and all those losers in up in completely redundant, needless, exploitable, service jobs for pennies on the dollar. In the Joe Rogan Podcast, Jordan Peterson was asked what he would do to fix universities. His answer was to "as a Harvard professor, I hate to say this, but just go to trade school."

because females dont go to trade school

in denmark it usely mentioned as a seperate category but its not ignored. its often interesting to see the difference between academics and tradeschooled (faglært)

You see, some (haha just kidding, MOST) liberals like to call Republicans stupid.
They use the number of college graduates to prove their point, but they left out trade schools and other education sources.
As it turns out when considering all aspects of education, Republicans have the most educated above high school level.
So a bunch of 'holier than thou' liberals were just cherry picking data to make themselves feel better because they are horrible horrible people who are full of themselves.

The Democratic party is the party of the very rich and the very poor.
A socialist government will end up with two classes, the ruling class and the everybody else class.
The politicians on the left side don't really give a shit about poor people.
Immigration hurts citizens, but we should let more people in because its the right thing... also it lowers labor costs so the profits of the super rich goes up.

For the longest time tradeschools were a "gotta know someone" type of deal to get in. There's now a lot of places willing to teach you but it can be iffy and scams are abundant. Worst of all they usually don't give you a union job and you end up back in the waiting list to get into the union.

Are electricians a meme trade? I've always thought about going into it, it seems pretty challenging, is it as physical as the other trades? I'm not a super strong guy

fuck the union. Go work for a contractor of your choosing, learn how to actually do your job, then get certified and start your own business

it's cake compared to any other trade and the pay is good

Day of the rake faggot.

go to school for it, not sure how it works in US but here in Canada, BC you just go to a university/college that offers trade programs, usually they're something like ~24-38 weeks I believe, so you pay the fees (total something like $5000 CAD?) and go do your months at school. After you're done you have a ticket, you go apply for jobs in the trade you went to school for, go for interview, get hired, start at bottom as an inexperienced tradesman, learn from your employer/coworkers, get skill over the years, as you get better you're worth more, make higher wage, eventually you're good enough you can start your own small business in your respective trade. Eventually if you're not a complete retard you'll be making $120-200k/year and probably feel very fulfilled because you're an "expert" at your trade and get to work with your hands every day and get to see things through from start to finish, see your projects completed, and actually make an impact in a larger project.

I've worked white collar jobs and trade jobs and in my experience the quality of people is generally better in the trade industry. Yea there are dipshits in both, but for the most part tradespeople are easier to get along with, more humble, more modest, lest likely to backstab, etc. so it makes for a better working environment as well.

Very interesting system. It gets one thinking.
You know what, while I was listening to JP on JRE today I emailed JP asking for advice on how to combat Cultural Marxism as an ordinary citizen and trades worker.

JP actually replied right away (very unexpected) and compliment my writing and suggested I get into politics, in his brief reply, "Politics. It's all we have," he said.

How based is that!

I consider myself an intellectual but dropped out of University after my first year. I realized I could learn on my own with books and the internet and get a trade(steamfitting) and make big money instead of going into debt and becoming an English Teacher or something horrible like that.

Best decision I've ever made.

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

Exit poll data found a negative correlation between amount of education and likelihood to have voted for Trump.

gallup.com/poll/205832/race-education-gender-key-factors-trump-job-approval.aspx

A Gallup poll from March found the highest approval ratings for Trump among white male college nongraduates.

I'm not sure how trades/technical schooling is categorized in these polls, but it seems unlikely that it would be considered "high school education only."

If you want to find problems with the methodology of these polls, then that's a different issue.

but to get a trade you have to go to trade school >go to trade school
>trade school
>school

Talk to your local union reps, look for entry level positions or if you're feeling really brave literally walk into a construction site and ask.
I know people who have gotten jobs each of those ways.
If you are really interested I would advise learning a trade with the intent of eventually owning your own business, that's where the money is. People think you have to work for someone else but you can raise a family as an independent plumber, carpenter or any other skilled trade.
Being self employed isn't much harder than wiring fur someone else but the rewards are much greater.

Don't forget that this also creates a need for trade workers that need to import from the third world!

A trade that trains you in an actual paying job not a meme company that provides no real world material good will always be a superior skill set, our society can function without entertainers and liberal arts, it can't function without plumbers, construction workers, steelworkers and engineers.

educated is just another way to say you think like a cosmopolitan degenerate kike. when a leftist calls you uneducated, take the compliment.

They're not exactly learning philosophy or how to be critical thinkers in trade school. They are learning simple skills.

Because "educated" has become a code-word for "indoctrinated".

>>MSM makes case against Trump based on how many "uneducated whites" voted for Trump
>>"Education" doesn't include Trades, Certificates or Military
>>If did, # of "educated" voters for Trump would be more than for Hilary
Fckkkkk MSM and easily crushed from debate points... I live in city filled with Jews and never, ever feel Im out classed intellectually. I also dropped out of college. Peeps with degrees only flaunt in an attempt to gain leverage within talking points... Just be logical and stay away from Jew media and you will kill it in most debates.

It really pisses me off how people think of trades as where you send people who are "too dumb" for college. Bitch, if you can't cut it as an accountant, you won't cut it as a drafter. The LAST thing we need is to have every carpenter, welder, machinist, etc to be some entitled fuckwit with no idea of what they are doing. If you fuck up in a trade, odds are it's going to fucking kill someone.

Anyone who uses the term "educated" and "uneducated" is just looking for a way to call people stupid. Their are plenty "educated" people who don't know how to tie their shoes

Is that the measure of education?
Because if it is, why do so many uneducated people have degrees?

Powers that be, please protect Mr. Rowe from turning into a SJW mouthpiece.

Honest work
>Salt of the Earth

Electrician covers a bunch of different jobs. You could be the guy in charge of setting up all the wiring in a new construction. You could be the guy who repairs electrical problems (Hope you like crawling into tight spaces). You could be the guy who assembles electronics in a factory... You can very easily be self-employed and rake in money. Same with HVAC and plumbing.

Trades are not higher education. I don't say that to demean them in any way, but in general you will do more learning and critical thinking earning a degree than training to be a welder or a plumber or whatever. Or at least that's how it used to be, I imagine trade workers are more learned than a person with a degree in Women's Studies.

Anyways to your second point most liberals hold on to their education as a barrier that separates them from their perceived inferiors. Without that "educated" label we have a generation of Bernie supporters who would have to come to terms with the fact that they're looking down on "white trash" that makes two or three times what they do, and that even if all of their student loan debt disappeared they'd still be working at Starbucks.

I have two diplomas (CAD and CAM). Total school time of just under 2.5 years for both. Government paid for the CAD diploma. Paid 12.5k for the CAM (Would have also been free if I was laid off instead of quit). Long-term goal of studying mechanical engineering (and not being a useless fuckwit who thinks he knows everything because he has a Baccalauréat despite having no real-world experience).

Another trait that makes libs such crappy people, is their high & mighty opinion of others, i.e.; "We're better people than them, because _______."

This

My father is a jack of all trades. Can do carpentry, finish work, mason work, electrical, plumbing, you name it.

Problem is we are immigrants from Eastern Europe and his English skills are shit, he's getting older and has a temper.

I went to college but retained some of the skills he's passed on to me. Hopefully when I'm done with the military and he's still alive I might get into the family craft.

He was offered 150k a year by a major company 10 years ago to be a lead designer and builder for houses and decks. He turned it down because he wanted autonomy to do whatever jobs he wanted. Good for him, bad for family.

A good education is a mix of both in my eyes.

Trades fucking suck in America. It's literally a bunch of illegal immigrants and people who do drugs or have alcohol problems.

>simple skills
HAH.

I'm doing labor work helping to renovate a house and the electrician showed up in a Ferrari today.

this, I wanted to learn some skills after college and the fag I was working under just smoked all the time and complained about his hangover and I learned more watching this old house on youtube. guy literally took like 12 smoke breaks on a simple job where we changed out casement windows and repaired the frames from water damage

Trades are pretty good m8.
Currently earning $55 an hour as a bricklayer.
Hard work, but it's outdoors, working with your hands, and you get a sense of achievement when you see your finished work.

Trade school is super narrow. College offers a broader knowledge.

Yikes that is a harsh reality. No wonder they live in fantasy land.

Granted, some trades aren't as complex as others (I'm looking at you, bricklaying), but even they require a significant amount of skill to do properly. Go for a walk in a city sometime and look at the brickwork of various buildings. Where it's not done properly, you'll notice the bricks start forming a cavity or bulge. In the long-run, that will require they completely remove that section and redo it. I have pretty good hand-eye coordination, but I wouldn't risk doing that shit on my own unless I had no other choice.

For trades like Electrician, HVAC, CAD, Machining (both manual and CNC), Plumbing, etc... You have to learn a FUCKTON of information. Download the Machinist Handbook and give it a read. Even just looking at fasteners will make your head spin with how much you need to learn.

Trades that aren't furniture making or high end cabinet installation or timber framing and carpenter are all shit tier. Electricians are ALWAYS the laziest cocksuckers on a job site, and plumbing/hvac is easy over payed work that attracts shit tier people.

yeah, this. Trade school doesn't mandate BS humanity classes and other "higher learning" kinda crap.

I'm gonna take a guess here... you wouldn't happen to be a carpenter would you?

You know what, plumbing might be the best profession.

Sure it might seem like you have to deal with shit, but in the end you have to deal with less shit than other occupations.

Worked in PoP for a while. Most companies in that field are fucking stupid and still using AutoCAD like it's fucking 1990. It's especially baffling if they work with sheet metal when SolidWorks and Inventor are wayyyyy fucking faster for making flat patterns and the actual drawings. Fuck AutoCAD. If I never have to draw another viewport it'll be too soon.

Man, it really depends. You could work 100% on new installations and never have to touch a leaky pipe in your life if you really wanted to.

Canuck on holiday visiting family here. I've earnt six figures swinging a hammer here in Oz and in the Canadian arctic. People are scared of working and look down on those of us who get their hands dirty.

In September I got to school for livestock production. Years of hard work and sacrifice have me very close to my dream of a large tract of land and farming. Fuck these classist idiots. I'm close to my goals and happy as fuck.

"Education" is a meme. I didn't go to college, got my GED at 16, and now I literally work above several of my classmates at a tech company and have 0 college debt.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, humanities are important, maybe not important to be producing as many majors. The problem with humanities is white guilt professors.

Besides a couple bullshit humanities classes are worth it for the science and math requirements that you aren't going to get in-depth at trade school

You can only build buildings with a trade school education.
But you can build your mind studying white privilege.

I went to trade school (auto mechanic) and I don't consider it an 'education' either.
I also learned way more in the field than in the classes which I'm sure is the same with traditional higher education.
Both are a scam in my eyes.
After 10+ years fixing cars I gave that shit up.
Now imagine if I spent 4 years in college instead of 2 and spent 100 grand or more instead of 20 all on an education I no longer use.

>I'm not a super strong guy

Best you consider electronic trade instead.
But small framed guys are good use in electrical/hvac to get into tight spaces.

Science and math aren't really things you need to study at a high level if your plan is to be a plumber. I can leave the science to the scientists. I think humanities are important for everybody but anybody with a high school education can find music, art and literature to appreciate on their own with the internet and the library. And if you don't have enough motivation to do that on your own then why the fuck would you want to study it in college?

Just for the piece of paper, which is becoming more worthless by the day. If you're in college with a plan to come out and do something useful to society then more power to you, though. I just hate to see good people fall for the scam.

You're lucky it wasn't a lot worse than that. I fucked around with trades for far too long before I realize it's a totally lost cause.

Can't load a hundred thousand dollars of debt onto a tradesman.

What do you do now? You're making me look in the mirror and think that I may be a trashbag.

No sorry, I'm afraid unless you are a student of feminist jazz or post modernist scat sculpture or a professional blogger, you are not educated and worthless.

Civilisation does not need engineers and stupid people.

It only needs bloggers.

Duh.

Don't be fooled, real electricians have a lot of upper body strength from working with thick wire and heavy pipe. Electricans=white carpenters=niggers. Electrical is the only trade considered a profession.

Nah, fine woodworking self taught, supervisor of various projects across Canada. Joinery is a white man's trade if there ever was one

Dunno.

I envy you North American cunts. We don't even have trade schools here.

You have to do a (minimum) 4 year apprenticeship and it sucks ball not only finding one but undertaking one.

The best way to do it is through the military, but literally every non-retarded, non drug addicted fag who isn't a STEM boi has already beat you to it.

Yeah, no.

Scaffolder here I worked with cable pullers in the Pilbura. Sparkies are weak cunts.

(((their))) definition of education is liberal indoctrination from a liberal arts course and a university.

You will never be educated in their eyes unless you think and talk exactly like they do. Its so they can circle jerk about how smart they are since they agree on everything. Good news is they always lose because they cant see real life.

Lazy nigger.

I'm dual citizen here visiting family. There is far more opportunity for the blue collar king down under.

>The problem is you are a faggot

Based leaf.

Also, some of the brightest people i know are in trades.
Its just that they have a limited vocabulary and come across as simple.
I know a sparky who was changing car transmissions when he was 16 (self taught) and once got complimented when he played a chess champion at the age of 13.
He has this ability to use simple common sense and logic to solve most problems.

Are support jobs in IT considered trades? Sysadmin and Networking fields have titles like "systems ENGINEER" and "network ENGINEER" but the jobs seem to be the practical application of theory, so similar to the trades.

I have yank cousins, and apparently it's similar over there as it is here - avoid trades, go to Uni, get useless degree (if you're not cut out for good degree) then work shit tier jobs. We can import temporary workers to do trade jobs or fully qualified tradesman from overseas and pay them a lot but the cost of training isn't a burden on businesses and companies then (we don't have trade schools because the qualifications aren't "good enough")

There aren't enough trade positions available for the 40% system.

They still utilize a similar system in Germany - and a big part of the migrant "crisis" is utilizing that as an excuse to tax the shit out of the top 10% to start large scale projects to employ the 40%.

The 20% that they struggle to fill because of a dwindling population and more careful breeding they are hoping to fill with the newly arrived migrants, but as is often the case they don't want to do those jobs either.

Setting up and maintaining infrastructure? Sounds like a trade to me, bruv. As for people being called "engineers" by their employers when they clearly aren't... I've actually gotten into heated arguments with employers before. They just use it as a justification to charge 90 bucks per "engineering" hour to their clients, even though I only cost them 25 bucks per hour at the time (lmao).

One of the biggest things to remember, IMO, is that if you don't like the way a project is going, do NOT put your name on it. I've had employers tell me to do such and such even though I KNEW it wouldn't be adequate and I told them if they want someone to sign the drawings that they'll have to do it themselves.

It's the top tier trade because;

>Less tools to purchase
>Plenty of work
>Highest paying trade
>Least physically demanding
>Least likely to be replaced by machines or lower skilled workers using machines

It's also the hardest to get (here at least).

I'm not lazy, but they make it a lot harder here to get trade qualified than just about anywhere else.

It might also be supply/demand. People don't look down on tradesman here, and the money is really good.

So it might just be a higher standard of entry.

>Least physically demanding
Yeah, nah. That definitely goes to Drafting. Your brain feels like jello by the end of the day, though. It's the equivalent of mentally sprinting for 7 hours.

faglært
is that danish for faglet?

>get paid $800 because client wanted me to run a line through his pipes to see where the clog was
>told him it was near the septic tank main line leading from the house
>all it would've taken was a shovel and 30 minutes to clear the clog
>Pussy foot for 4 hours doing random shit for him until he lets me dig up his precious fucking grass
>water hose up his pipes and clear the greased up hole because his wife likes pouring grease down the drain
>take my $800 service fee for the 4 hours

Sales. I hate wearing a suit and tie everyday, but I got tired of all the alcoholics, druggies, recovering addicts, gangs, and extra drama I had to put up with in skilled trade (in fact, I've been considering tipping the police or FBI off for a while, because they'd all get busted in a heart beat and the experience pissed me off THAT bad) That being said, if you're in a good group, stick with it, but most of em just really suck in my experience.

I dunno bout you but the gender factory is alway looking for new benders in my town