At 18yo your parents/custodians/state/foster care are released from legal obligation of providing for you

At 18yo your parents/custodians/state/foster care are released from legal obligation of providing for you

You are expected by the government to work and provide for your own self by this point

You are old enough to fight in foreign wars, handle million dollar military equipment, be entrusted with national secrets and classified information, and given the right to responsibly vote for political representatives and alter the political landscape

But you aren't mature enough to buy a beer

Can someone explain the logic here?

because you aren't mature enough to buy a beer

Mothers against drunk driving.

States with higher drinking ages seem to have a lower rate of automobile accidents than states with lower ages and muh rights come at the consequence of more people dying.

The law says you can't buy beer. 18 year olds are dumb enough on their own.

It's your state law, not federal.

i mean, if we cant trust someone with the decision on what brand of beer to buy, why can we trust them to make life and death decisions on the battlefield?

why can they be entrusted to make a last will and testament? or vote? or drive a school bus full of our youth? or apply for and receive debt and credit from lenders?

This exactly.

If the consequences of irresponsible drinking were more localized to yourself, arguing to lower the drinking age might be easier, but the fact other people get killed by drunk drivers changes the argument.

All the same I'm glad other countries don't have 21 year drinking ages, MADD is a hell of a lobby.

18 year olds are infinitely more dumb than 21 year olds.

>given the right to responsibly vote for political representatives and alter the political landscape

But young people do not vote responsibly. See: Hillary Clinton.

Kinda. Feds refuse to give funding for highways if you don't raise the drinking age for 21. Technically you can defy them but no rational states would choose to.

so logically, instead of picking and choosing different examples, if it is proven people of younger drinking ages are not fully rational, why are they allowed to make other more severe life and death decisions?

Buying beer is an independent decision. On the battlefield, you have someone in charge of you.

what about mothers against credit card debt?

why is there no outrage over the mounds of ridiculous debt 18 yos get themselves into?

They are behind the push for lowering the per se BAC to .05

right but the issue here is drinking, not driving. we already have laws against drunk driving. you can localize irresponsible drinking by staying at your house, yet you legally cant

Low age for enlistment is not against state interests.

Being able to vote is arguably your right on the basis you're going to be asked to go to war, you're going to be paying taxes, you might want to lobby for your education, and such.

Idaho did for a long time. That said, my original statement stands, it is your state law doing you injustice.

right, so why do they have the right to vote?

maybe for a lot of things, but commanders also cant spend all their time micromanaging, it is inevitable that low level soldiers have to make decisions on their own. such as when to pull a trigger on a moving car, when to pass on a message by radio, etc

Because bad debt doesn't harm anyone but yourself.

so is it not arguably your right to consume beer in your down time when relaxing?

interesting, i suggest you wikipedia the 2008 recession

Fun fact: federal supreme Court was going to rule sobriety checkpoints illegal but said that they would make an exception because of the dire effects of drunk driving.

i just cant come to terms with the logic here. it is going to bother me. we either need to lower the drinking age or raise the age of all other legal and individual matters, this is a double standard that is clear as day

heres a thought, what if the penalty for drunk driving was an automatic 5 years imprisonment no chance of early release with hard labor

It won't be a commander, it'll be a 21 yo team leader hitting you in the head.

2008 wasn't caused by under 21 year-olds with bad credit.

think about the next recession that will be caused by student debt, all the 18yos that decided to go to a $60k/year college and get an unemployable liberal art degree

Murder can be a life sentence, still doesn't detour.

if people cant be responsible enough until age 21, then that should be the magic number for voting, enlistment, taxes, legal guardianship, doing porn etc etc

It won't though. The student loan debt will just be wiped away. You should be more concerned about the auto lending bubble.

yes it does. if murder was no longer outlawed, do you think murder rates would remain the same?

Just a FYI, in many states it is legal to drink "underage". KY, you can drink on private property underage.

all im saying is there is a huge double standard at play here and it is severely affecting my autism

i did not know that, interesting. so if the parents offer permission, it is legal? still doesnt resolve the issue of purchasing for yourself. if you are a legal independent 18yo who got kicked out of your house by your parents, and now live on your own in your personal apartment, how do you legally buy beer?

Correct. That is why there are usually local ordinances that specify providing alcohol to minors.

Your second question, you don't. I was in that exact same scenario at 19. Somehow the cops arrived at my apartment and they couldn't do anything to me because I was on my private property. They left and there were no further issues.

haha, that must have felt good. i bet they tried to figure out something to bust you on for a good while before giving up

so is everyone happy with the system as it stands then? nobody minds the hypocrisy???? i cant be the only one, and this shit doesnt affect me one bit since im over 30

You brew your own.

Prefrontal cortex in human beings do not finish developing until early 20s on average. So the 21 drinking age is rooted in some grain of science. The other reason being, 18 year olds really are magnitudes more retarded than 21 year olds, a lot of development happens in those 3 years - it's like a bridge between being a tween babby and being a quasi-adult. Finally, I'm sure no teacher/principal in the country would be happy about an 18 year drinking age, because that would mean that inevitably their seniors will host frat boy parties, college style, and it will trickle down to the freshman. Underage drinking would skyrocket and you'll have even more retards driving into poles/people and making the headlines.

TL;DR You're right, it's retarded that you can die for your country at 18, but cannot drink a beer - BUT there societal effects to consider the 18 drinking age.

liberals would probably never agree to raising the voting age since uneducated or brainwashed youth is one of their primary demographics

They wanted to get me for contributing to minors. I wasn't smug about it. I was in the military at the time so I was worried about catching an underage consumption under the UCMJ.

shouldnt we work towards raising the minimum age to 21 for legal matters of state and individuality? this seems hugely important, if the prefrontal cortex hasnt fully developed yet, how are people fine with allowing someone to initiate their own medical decisions for instance?

like plastic surgery? once you are 18, you can have your own plastic surgery or sex change

I personally believe it should be 18 myself. I was just using what the justification supposedly is.

It is one of those trading privacy for safety. It just leads to a slippery slope.

If you're 18 and in the military, anyone will buy you beer. They had vending machines on bases a while ago.

I wasn't on a military base and it was a team leader who bought it, but I sure as he'll wasn't going to rat him out.

thats nice to know but im not interested in under the table compromises that have to be done in secrecy or with discretion. you shouldnt have to live in the shadows to buy the greatest beverage known to man

>At 18yo your parents/custodians/state/foster care are released from legal obligation of providing for you

This is not true for Brazil. In case you are unemployed and have no means to live, parents are obliged to provide until you die. However, we can buy a beer when we are 18.

Also, all the trouble I've ever been in was alcohol related or involved. It honestly is a degenerate drug.

Because double standards and MADD. No other institution that depends on age of majority being set at 18, would be happy about it being raised to 21. Like you said, plastic surgeons would lose clients, the government/police forces will have to wait longer to get their jocks/retards into their forces, lawyers will lose out on divorce/marriage/civil cases. Having to continue getting parental permission for more years, will also have its effects on society.

There is no logic. It is bullshit.

>Ameriplebs has to ask adults for beer
>before dying for Israel

At least I can drive a car after one beer prick.

>this comeback

The logic is this -- 18 year olds are REALLY FUCKING OBNOXIOUS AND ANNOYING. Grown people tend to do most of their public socializing in alcohol-based spaces so they don't want 18 year olds underfoot. If this comment seems assholish or nonsensical, just file it away until you're 35 or so. Trust me, it will make perfect sense to you then.

it is not right, the law only recognizes two age groups: adults who are 18 and older, and non adults

i dont think the laws as they stand are morally acceptable, there should be a unified age of adulthood that is recognized for all rights and privileges

>Can someone explain
You Murican.
You Retard, obv.
what age can you buy guns, jfi? If you can do that at 18, 21 for beer is ludicrous. Think you can actually drink at 14 in Bongoland pubs, cider and shit with meals, maybe mistaken - point being, 18 maybe OK for beer, spirits 21, if nanny state needed. Its all part of current trend towards letting people stay in education till 29, live with their parents till 45, etc. No good shall come of these mankinder.

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>the law ever stopped them to begin with
t. burgertards

27 people burned to death because of booze.

trust me i fully understand, i am almost twice the age of an 18 year old. but that doesnt pardon the lack of fairness or even more importantly, moral obligation to make sure people are fully developed before being given the responsibility of life and death decisions

like i said earlier, at age 18, you can decide to have any cosmetic surgical procedure you want without the permission of guardians or parents. if you can choose to have your balls turned into a vagina, a permanent and life changing decision, why can you not be seen as being of sound mind to buy beer?

Car accidents.

A lot of teenage drunk driving caused American Legislature to pass the age increase from 18 to 21 in hopes to reduce drunk driving that was killing high school seniors (so essentially stupid teen shit).

IIRC it was changed in the 70s.

don't euros live with their parents until they're 50

I had all the fucking drunks and party goers from my high school come to my dad's house to party because the land was big enough and out of the city limits. County sheriffs gave the land owner (my dad) some scolding on the drinking age that night but literally didn't do shit about it. Love America.

It doesn't matter the age, responsability towards drinking comes from home. No magical number the state chooses will be right.

you can buy long guns in every state at age 18, and age 21 for handguns.

some states offer exceptions for particular purchase types, where you can buy handguns at age 18 only second hand through private sales, not from a primary gun store establishment

and yes you can own them earlier still, with the permission of parents you can be gifted and own them at 16 and earlier in some states, the discussion here is reserved for the rights of an individual without intervention from guardians

I agree, people shouldn't be allowed to vote until their 30's.

Baconboy utterly destroying Amerifats

There is none.

I'm going to be joining the Navy in a few months. I'm not allowed to have alcohol because it "could" kill me, but I'm allowed to get on a metal ship that's constantly being targeted by weapons.

can you elaborate? was the person driving under 21?

im not advocating necessarily lowering the age of drinking, i am advocating having the age required for rights and legal purposes to be uniform, at the point which the government and law see you fit to become an individual

Anyone else think drinking gets old fast?

Got boring for me not long after turning 21.

Almost wish the drinking age was 18 because I think I would have enjoyed it more back then.

Fuck yeah, finally something to be proud of my state for.

would it make sense to go back and adjust the laws to how they used to be, and instead increase the penalties of drunk driving?

or in light of new science, should the age of voting and other rights be raised to 21? should the government consider individuals to be capable of their own legal destiny at age 21 instead?

or should we just accept the double standard here, is it working? is it worth depriving other responsible 18 yos of their right because a handful are idiots and drive when they can barely walk straight?

ok separate question then, do you guys think the laws are tolerable as they stand?

would you vote to change them in any way? for example in my post here suggested:

Yeah, poor euros

it must be a cultural thing because the places with the highest amount of young adults living with parents also have the cheapest cost of living

how is the UK so low, with such high cost of living

Voting used to also be 21 while military age used to be 16 and drinking age 18. Voting was dropped to 18 and military age increased to 18 and drinking age increased to 21.

Some states the drinking age is 18, and some states have in between laws like Wisconsin which states that you can go to the bar with someone over 21 and drink with them as long as they are responsible for you. Other states say that you can drink at 18 as long as it is on private property that does not sell alcohol.

States have almost total control over this, but the government gives funding increases to states that have the drinking age at 21. Some states like Cali are increasing the smoking age to 21.

i would be fine with bringing the voting age back to 21, could we pull it off?

We're teetotallers

You have to be 21 to be a cop.

Possibly. I would also agree with that. The argument back in the day was that most people were married, independent homeowners at 18. Now even many 21 year olds aren't that. I would like to see the voting age raised.

I don't know about other countries but in Hungary the cost of living might be cheap compared to other countries but you work for 3-4$ an hour and that's even considered good here. If you don't have at least one roommate you just can't afford living on your own.

Your mental capacity to learn and remember valuable information and skills comes with the maturing of the human mind and careful socializing.

Consuming alcohol and drugs while your brain is still physically developing, which occurs up until the age of 19/20, dampers or even damages that development.

But since sugar hurts the body significantly more than it affects the brain, America is more than happy to let its youth consume as much of that as they like.

Your brain isn't fully developed until about 25.

Voting age laws should really be tied with service in some way.
An 18 year old that goes into the armed forces or into public service should definitely be able to vote.

>America

Then make it like a set or prerequisites instead of age.

I think landowner is a bit dated, but you can do gainful employment/free from government aid/drug tests/whateverthefuck and be alright I think. I'd prefer retards and drug addicts not vote anyway.

It painful to remember, but we have to thank the best republican president for this shit.

This is what I did at 19, made my own wine. Was pretty decent, enough to have fun with.