Aren't Nazis basically Commies that claim to hate jews more?

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No.

why not?

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capitalism still exists with NatSoc. Communism is just systemic murder

National Bolshevism and Strasserism are the future.

Yes, its socialist variant with an obsession with purity standards and race. They've attempted to integrate capitalism because they aren't so stupid as to believe that they can control the entire economy, but fail to realize that the parts they will control will be less than efficient and ultimately undermine their own system as the government creeps its way deeper into the economy. We didn't see it happen in Hitler's Germany because he got BTFO'd before he could even have a peacetime economy to fuck up. It's as equally stupid as communism.

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For you my bros.

that's what I thought..

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>Implying efficiency is the ultimate societal value

Fuck off degenerate

NO!

Stop posing this shit you fucking Commie

No that's nazbol, national socialism does no pursue a post identity, post scarcity, and post currency world

>he thinks it's one person
>he doesn't realize he's witnessing the beginning of the real National SOCIALIST revolution.
The 25 points are heavily socialistic. Also with reference to Codreanu, pic related.

>There are no fags in Asia or Africa

What did Dugin mean by this? Is Dugin just the communist version of Common Filth?

>Socialistic
>He's using the colloquial meaning of socialistic for a movement that started almost a century ago

It's *collectivist, not socialist. Not every manner of collectivism is Marxist, and the 25 points are extremely anti-marxism wtf are talking about.

>Believing that there is such a thing as class conflict makes you a communist

Codreanu is right, the difference between communists and fascists is that one is based on materialism while the other is not. They are both collectivist idealogies who draw inspiration from Sorel and Hegel.

Nazis are National Socialists.
They are all for equality, workers' rights, pensions, health care, welfare etc.
But the big difference to commies is, they want that only for their own people!
I.e. if I've worked all my life and suddenly get laid off, I get unemployment benefits. Ahmed who is not of our people doesn't get shit in the same situation.

I don't agree with communism and I actually agree with everything you said here. My point was that fascism has always been worker oriented. As for Sorel, I'm a worker oriented national-syndicalist/strasserist. His socialism was heavily based on spirituality and anti-materialism.
The 25 points talk about taking worker control over industry and cooperativisation. You don't have to be a Marxist to be anti-capitalist.

>They are for welfare

No, Nazis have heir own version of UBI for people who work, if you don't work you do not receive a UBI. Basically they set minimum and maximum wage caps which makes their economy heavily based on autarky and self sufficiency.

>Equality

Of opportunity, not outcome. It also has a Traditionalists cultural perspective.

Nazis = "not that kind of socialism"
Marxists = "not that kind of communism!"

National socialism is national communism instead of global communism of the Marxists. Instead of the state owning the means of production they instead take most of the profit in taxes.

No, read the thread.

In nazism i can own a private propriety

Not with real national socialism, pic related. With that said, you can still own personal property and the fruits of your own labor. You can't really own the latter under capitalism.

What the fuck are you talking about? Nazis introduced the whole benefits thing. Affordable holidays for workers. Restrictions on work hours. Soup kitchens for the poor. Warm rooms in winter for the homeless.

Don't bullshit me. I'm German, I know Nazis better than you.

>point was that fascism has always been worker oriented.

True enough

>Strasserists

I promise no Night of the Long Knives this time :^)

>You don't have to be Marxist to be anti-capitalist

True, but the 25 points are more broadly collectivist , I wouldn't say they are socialist implying Marxist origins. Which I guess is a bit of a semantic argument , but still is true.

seems preeeeetty close to straight up marxistm to me guys.

None of those things count as welfare capitalism , those are just workers rights. Welfare capitalism just gives people.money to exist, in national socialism you have to work to gain those rights unless you literally cannot work.

>I'm German I know natsoc better than you

Then maybe you should start telling your countrymen that. Isn't the Afd at 8%?

>I promise no Night of the Long Knives this time :^)
Thank you bruder. I honestly believe modern Hitlerists and Strasserists can work together to bring about the organic workers fascist state.
>True, but the 25 points are more broadly collectivist , I wouldn't say they are socialist implying Marxist origins. Which I guess is a bit of a semantic argument , but still is true.
Well, I'm talking about guild-socialism and national-socialism which is much different than Marxist socialism which is internationalist in nature.

natsoc takes from those who have and gives to those who dont.
Only white niggers want that because they are not able or willing enough to become wealthy

So capitalism is economic efficientcy is it?

Is that why a third of our food goes to landfill and we still have billions of underfed and starving people.

And how efficient is a system that produces a1% that owns everything? Well it's efficient if you're a top tier kike, otherwise it's basically a Ponzi scam. Go and use you juicero to press a fresh bottle of bleach.

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blah blah blah post after post from you retards

"taking care of myself is haaaard, so capitalism is evil! others have more than meeeeeee! stealing from other whites is white pride!"

Last time I checked, the population of niggers in africa was booming because Americans give so much charity and medical aide to that shithole.

This is why Strasser wanted to build a European socialism that included African colonialism. Whites need to build their own socialism on the backs on the inferior races.

>Taking care of myself is hard

If you don't take of yourself in a fascist system you aren't given welfare. You aren't given welfare in an communist system either, especially Marxist Leninism where if you refuse to work you are sent to a gulag

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It's a panda. Who cares/

>claim to hate jews more?
only historically commies killed millions of jews while nazis only killed a few thousand (british\soviet jew soldiers in WW2) and while commies viewd jews as just more cannon fodder for the war nazis were activly allied with and helped the jewish resistance against the brits in palestine (the lehi fascist\sternist resistance group in palestine)

learn some history senpai.

>1927

Hmmm...

resources you didn't earn directly from your own work and come from govt = welfare

as if saying people who dont work should be in gulags helps selling your ideology

>he doesn't know strasserists

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Vroom

>he doesnt use ex-hentai

I don't really care how many jews it killed. Only you draw those stupid and arbitrary lines. I'm more interested in the system itself.

jewish lies right here. If Hitler was on any side in the middle east it was with the Palestinians.

Fuck off, jew.

Why not just post the picture instead of the link?

>Thank you bruder. I honestly believe modern Hitlerists and Strasserists can work together to bring about the organic workers fascist state.

Yeah I don't think modern Hitlerists have a problem with the Strasserists, it was mostly Goering who was responsible for the purges.

>Well, I'm talking about guild-socialism and national-socialism which is much different than Marxist socialism which is internationalist in nature.
>Guild socialism

Never heard of that, is that like Owenism in any way?

Define "you" in "you didn't earn'

Bolsheviks were Jews you fucking moron. Pic Related

>Yeah I don't think modern Hitlerists have a problem with the Strasserists, it was mostly Goering who was responsible for the purges.
I agree, we can put our differences aside to save the white race and establish the fascist state.
>Never heard of that, is that like Owenism in any way?
It's basically corporatism without the bourgeois element. It's also a form of national-syndicalism.

oh grow the fuck up, not playing these commie voodoo mind games about property rights and ownership

I understand that, so what does that make the faggots crypping their system? Cryptokikes? Kikes?

That's from Heroes 3, right?

>Voodoo mind games

Literal retard detected who doesn't even know who he is. Maybe give Hobbes' Leviathan a read instead of shitting out quotes from Mises. Define the individual ffs

>side in the middle east it was with the Palestinians.
that wasnt a side in WW2 and ever since or before . the two sides were the brits and germans and as the jews were fascist and hated the brits after brits fucked them ever since WW1 hitler supported the fascist groups in palestine .
no one ever claimed either system was any good, they're both terrible in different ways but seeing as nothing much better was ever proven to work things like them are all we got.

>Hobbes

You're such a faggot.

>It's basically corporatism without the bourgeois element. It's also a form of national-syndicalism

Hmm I'll look into it i guess

>We can put our differences aside.

At this point we really don't have much of a choice do we? Of course I think out of the new movement that will (hopefully) start with Generation Z , we will have a new and organic fascist movement based on past ideals so we can somewhat forsake the old tensions.

commies and socialists:
"I am right, my proof is... read ____ book! I can't formulate ideas into my own words, just read ____ book you moron!"

>Not Hobbes

You're such a faggot

>Hmm I'll look into it i guess
The best video to get an idea on it is this one:
youtube.com/watch?v=Y0AjHeTyuxg
>At this point we really don't have much of a choice do we? Of course I think out of the new movement that will (hopefully) start with Generation Z , we will have a new and organic fascist movement based on past ideals so we can somewhat forsake the old tensions.
I definitely agree, it's either unification or death of the white race and eternal slavery to global capitalist kikes.

You're just seeing it through an improper lens. The minute any centralized government takes a tax or tribute it's 'socialist.' It's like retard-tier oversimplification.

>Ask him what his definition of an individual is
>He can't
>Yet I'm the one who doesn't know his own idealogy

Topkek

Yes. They have the same understanding of economics as the letists, but they divide by ancestry, not by income.

which is arbitrary and even more retarded.

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>kike detected

The effects of globalism should be measured by the average persons living standards. In the west those living standards are rapidly declining and have been even before 2008 but especially quickly since.

The basics of globalism is to EXPLOIT so called developing countries, for cheap labour, in sweat shops etc. Back in Victorian Britain the exploitation was kept at home by sticking children up chimneys and forcing families into white slavery in the work houses. (((They))) simply outsourced the exploitation on to a global scale.

Your so called efficient capitalism model is based on taking the piss out of the vast majority of people for the benefit of a handful of Jews. It will logically lead to universal full automation and unemployment for practically every industry OTHER than sex work. This is the main driver behind the MSM now promoting legalised prostitution. Soon it will be the only job available to women..I guess men are literally gonna need to resort to hunting and gathering.

>why do I get the feeling you are one of the many cunts that think hard work means sitting behind a fucking desk.

Crapitalism is slavery

>It's like retard-tier oversimplification.

You're the one using the colloquial american definition of "socialism" as though it were synonymous with collectivist completely. It's not.

If you want retard tier oversimplification read this

As a critique of Thomas Hobbes

No, no and no

why dont you idiots educate yourself before assuming shit

>leaf
>on Sup Forums
>dosnt recognize homm 3
>didnt hotseat the shit out of this game in shool,highschool,and army
leafs confirmed for shit vidya taste.
shit dude i got busted and had to spend a weekend at the base for playing this on army computers during work time, got my entire unit hooked.

It's 2017, I am not going to engage with people who can't accept the basic meanings of the words..

property
ownership
individual
work
labor
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not playing that game, just like
"ders 10,000 genders!"
"niggers are just like me! IQ iz RAYCUST!"

>Says this after he admits it's fucking merely semantics.

kek

>His definition of individual is "individual"

Holy fuck kid, an hero

>Merely semantics
>Merely

No, it's just that I try to avoid certain , not all, debates on semantics when it is splitting hairs needlessly. The difference between Marxist socialism and fascist is not splitting hairs.

"Capitalism" also existed in soviet Russia in the form of kulaks and such.

Well then you fucking tell me. That's what this whole fucking thread is about.

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>Cultured Thug

I've watched a few of his videos and he seems to be on point about everything. Hopefully he gets some more momentum around here.

>It's either unite or die

And that's why we're a collectivist idealogy.

I have already explained, read the thread newfag.

You all are dence.
Nazism - one nation above others. Egoism in size of a country
Communism- no nations, everyone is equal. Altruism

Agreed. Ave my brother.

Why would a bad goyin like Hitler ever side with you cunts. He used soap from your dead bodies in the shower.

well it is essential what socialism means but we only use the word to describe governments that take it to an extreme (public welfare,healthcare,education subsidy ) . im not saying socialism is bad what im saying is that if you want to compare the two sytems you first need to decide on what metric you use to judge them by and one is better in certain metrics then the other but that doesn't reflect on the system's success as a governing system in the real world .

the success of real world government depends 85% on the people governing and 15% on what system they use . a monarchy run by smart , competent professional monarchs that know their job would be infinitely better then today's democracies .
the entire idea of modern democracies is to minimize how much one person's retardation can fuck the government's shit (my own country having a president in prison for rape i should know) with the obvious disadvantage of the rulers being selected for popularity and not skill and competency at their job.

More like without the Marxism.
It was kind of a hybrid of systems, though.

That might be capitalism on paper but in reality it's

>housing bubbles driven by lack of supply. Which lead to greater inflation due to the fact Chinese landlords and others, race to buy properties in order to rent them out..which leads to huge inflation in rents, again due to lack of supply..which leads to poverty for those who rent and homelessness for those who can't afford to rent..and these are the mugs who bought the capitalist bullshit of working hard to improve their living standards.

So you have a situation across the west in lots of places, especially cities..where people are working just to live. They can't afford to save or invest in an actual asset like a actual house.

In essence they are not working to better themselves. They are working to benefit global Jewry. If this isn't slavery then I dunno what is.

Most people today in the west, would have been better of never bothering working and should have had the government provide them with social housing. At least the global kike would have gotten a little less wealthy off their backs.

There are several implications of National Socialism. Here's how Hitler described his 'socialism':

>“’Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social’ meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency.
>Our adopted term ‘Socialist has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.”

No, what I'm saying is that socialism describes all forms of government according to that 1 pixel lens.

>5 million German combatants died fighting the entire world at once
>USSR lost like 30 million people to win against the best army in the world
>this is supposed to make dumb Commie fuckers look good

holochoax\nazi antisemitism was invented by a rogue element in the german command.

and hitler didnt side with all jews , only the fascist jewish movement because they opposed and attacked the brits-their common enemy.

>jew calling the holocaust fake

???????

Hail victory, brother. The internet is just the beginning for us. First Sup Forums, then the world.

That's pretty much bullshit. My family worked hard in skilled areas that were in high demand, and I get to do absolutely nothing for like 5 years now, eating chicken tendies and studying goo goo literature and shit. You're right that you can't shovel shit for your whole life and expect to make it anywhere, but I thought that was a fuggin given.

Guess you don't know who David Cole is then?

It's basically always 'about them,' when you talk to a zionist.

well its really more of a spectrum. anything other then NAPocracy is socialist to some degree.
well known fact here, are you new ?.
if you REALLY want to open your eyes visit the lehi museums archives . they sent people to investigate the rumors of genocide . 2 of them were killed by the rogue germans , the rest returned and died under mysterious circumstances in the war of independence and their report disappeared for like 2 decades and by the time it reappeared the holohoax was si widely believed that everyone connected to lehi lost all credibility and were dismissed.

They are closet commies larping as capitalists and blaming a their problems on the jews not their incompetence

There are multiple things wrong with your question.

Communism is a Jewish ideology, Communism is made by and for Jews.

Also under the NSDAP farms weren't nationalized, and small businesses basically had a free market.

Nazism focused on the individual and the group, while communism was completely collectivist. Nazism raised the standard of living for its working class while communism turned its working and "middle" class into servants of the state. Nazism made it cheap to buy a house, communism shoved everyone into commie blocks.

There are many more differences, but I'll leave it at that. If you think national socialism and communism are the same you might be retarded

>learn history

Shlomo if I even pretend to believe this shit I get gulag'd.

>Communism is a Jewish ideology, Communism is made by and for Jews.

the fucking communists are right about one thing then--nazi faggots were definitely reactionary. Look at all the damn gommie terms and language you use 'workers (Proletariat), middle class'