Most atheists imagine God like the left side of pic related, when reality is actually closer to the right side...

Most atheists imagine God like the left side of pic related, when reality is actually closer to the right side. God is infinite and encompasses 3-dimensional reality itself. Thus, the notion "God exists," is essentially no different from the notion "The universe cares." Meaning objectively exists, i.e. stuff objectively matters to people - which, at the very least, is evidence that a caring universe is not unlikely. Most atheists are butthurt because they actually want the universe to care, but they are trapped by, and don't want to be condemned for, their sins, so they defensively, emotionally shun the possibility. They would rather believe meaning magically pops into existence on its own rather than admit they could be accountable for themselves.

>NO, the universe doesn't care and everything is meaningless because pain and inconvenience exist WAAAAAAAAAA! ;_; *masturbates to Nietzsche*

That pain means something to you only demonstrates that meaning exists.

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On the 2nd pic God's still outside reality

>wasn't Nietzsche actually a God fearing man?
Your pic reminded me of something. God exists outside of space and time. To understand this, think of how we can have a dream that plays out an entire day's events in a matter of seconds.

You never really asked a question so I tossed out my random thought.

I think it's supposed to illustrate that God is a part of reality, in that reality is within God.

prove that god exists. emipircal evidence like a pic from a telescope would be a good start. or some dna. whatever. oooh you cant provide that?????

so.. you are sayong that god cannot be measured, percieved and observed? so that which does not exist, exists?
bro that is not how logic works

Reality is a subset of God is what I think the picture means.

You're completely correct, but that doesn't mean that [your personal brand of] Christianity is the one true religion that describes the real nature of God.

so.. god is outside reality (a contradiction in itself) bit he also talks to pedophile bearded men, impregnates chicks and sets shrubberies on fire? whow

Actually, many many many atheists agree the debate over the existence of God can never be won.

If I can't comprehend God why would it bother me if he exists or not?

Which sect are you from again?

that is irrelevant
it only means that a positive claim requires evidence.
i claim that we live inside an atom of a giant wienerdog's colon - prove that i am wrong

i can claim whatever, that doesnt make it real. reality is objective.

>the universe cares
This is harder to believe than any religious dogma

>Subset of = outside of???
Why do burgers get called stupid all the time?

This feels like a conversation that will never fucking end. Actually, this is less of a conversation and more of endlessly throwing petty pejoratives at each and nobody should DARE say "Yeah, are, like, way worse, bruh."

Provide physical proof (to yourself) that things exist outside of your own mind, using nothing but your mind to do so. oooh you cant provide that?????

So, you are saying that objective reality behind your mind can't be known, perceived or observed?

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Wanna know what else lies beyond reality? My imagination.

>i can claim whatever, that doesnt make it real.
Right. That should be obvious. The only reason it isn't is because the far left and the far right have both been brainwashed to have internalized guiding fictions that remove their self-agency.

The OP is just one of those smug propagandists repeating theories that are literally irrelevant to daily life, and only serve to propagate the anti-human narrative.

>philosophical concept for god
>my spesific religion is therfor true

Every time

Zues is as likely as Allah

I agree with you OP. But I don't know how to articulate the argument.

Our senses

Prove matter can be created from nothing dumbass.
That's the point when I say many many many atheists believe science is not far a long enough yet to rule out the existence of an intelligent creator.
Dude, I'll do mental gymnastics around you but it's 3:00 am where I am. Goodnight.

They can't accept they too have a part of God in them. That's why they hate themselves so much.

You're exactly right! I've watched some of the greatest debaters on the subject go round and round for hours and they get no where.

In a bubble separately or just outside, they mean the same thing retards.
This is literally semantics.

pk, for dummies. i claim that there is an ashtray floating in front of your forehead. how would you know that's incorrect?

cannot be tested, thus irrelevant proposotion.

>and they get no where
A human can endlessly repeat useless falsity, like theories of divinity. That they get no useful results is proof of their falsity.

Meanwhile, people debating whether a steam engine works quickly find out the truth.

How droll. "Solipsism" is factually irrelevant. Within reality, theories can be proven practical. Until your theory has practical application, it's not something to believe true.

>God is everything so you can't see him :^)
That's some lazy ass writing, authors get branded as hacks for less than that nowadays

Your senses don't exist within your mind. Your mind is causes by your senses. I've specifically asked for proof within the mind of things outside of the mind, just as the other user asked for proof of God using matter. Same illogical shit.

Your fedora is showing, OP

>E=mc^2
You have to prove how matter came into existence not prove that God does not exist. I mean, if you want to keep it scientific of course.

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Wait, why are we saying the universe cares? Why would we think that?

>atheists want the universe to care
>but they dont want the universe to condemn
>so they shun the possibility
????
Can you get any more incoherent

god can be perceived but cannot be grasped

Nah bro, this is how we actually imagine god.

>You have to prove how matter came into existence
No one has to do that, because rational humans can admit they don't know something yet. Only the derangements of religion claim absolute certainty without conclusive evidence.

no. natter clearly exists. ir can be perceived and tested. so "how" it came into existence is not really that important; if i claimed any theory on that, it would not be considered true as long as there is no empirical (experimental) evidence backing up my theory. at the moment, the only valid answer is " i don't know".

That's not true at all. You can debate which is better socialism or capitalism but when pointing to instances of failure, the default response from both sides is "it was never actually tried." Both endlessly repeated without useful results yet not false, one system is better.

how can i percieve god?

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>prove that god exists. emipircal evidence like a pic from a telescope would be a good start. or some dna. whatever. oooh you cant provide that?????


Thinks God lives in space.

Universal sets dont exist
t-mathematician

Taking the western occultism pill
What flavor are you, Crowley or Waite?

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>so.. god is outside reality (a contradiction in itself) bit he also talks to pedophile bearded men, impregnates chicks and sets shrubberies on fire? whow

You are being very narrow minded and only thinking of Christianity. Faggot.

>one system is better
That's right, and those are real physical systems that can be and are tested. Those tests would be the "useful results" I've mentioned.

Theories of divinity are categorized almost exclusively as being useless. That's why they're separate and distinct from things like engineering and economics.

If your answer is "I don't know" then you are statistically implying an infinite number of possibilities with a God being one of them.
Wow! Good for you. We got there a lot quicker than I'm used to. Goodnight!

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No shit jackass. We're debating philosophically. I'm a fucking engineer, I don't use the Lord's Prayer to do math.

>an infinite number of possibilities
Excluding logical contradictions and untestable fantasies, of course.

i'll take it one step firther. I claim that "god exists and he wants you to do this and that" is nothing else than the oldet trick in history to manipulate people. When you say "god wants you to do that",

first you need to raise your concentration power to high enough level
this is done by prayer/meditation
then you turn inward and use that power like an microscope to look at the source of awareness

Nobody claims matter comes from nothing. You are clearly referencing the big bang theory and trying to ridicule it, but the real joke here is you apparently can't even be fucked to cite what the theory actually claims. But please keep embarrassing yourself.

>I'm a fucking engineer, I don't use the Lord's Prayer to do math.
I should hope that you wouldn't use it to do anything at all.

>We're debating philosophically.
No we're not. You're pushing a theory of divinity that has been proven useless.

You can say "but what if x was created by y" ad infinitum, it amounts to nothing.

"I don't know" = "God exists"
whow
that also means that there is a valid reason to pray to Ctulhu! Because Ctulhu "COULD" exist, that means he DOES exist. Whow, that's awesome!
Or satan! Fuck, I'll start worshipping satan. He is way cooler than your fruity little god who cucks people by fucking their wives, kills people by the millions and gave me a spinal disc prolapse. Fuck god. Fuck him in his silly face.

that is not evidence of a god
It is evidence of the excistence of my brain, sort of

What an awful fucking post. First of all, you claim to know how the whole universe and God works. How can you know all this? Do you claim that you know how God acts? Also, you are clearly projecting your own fear that meaning and value don't exist in the world, claiming that it's the atheists who think this way, when it's clearly you who has these feelings. It must be a scary thought that maybe your feelings aren't an universal law.

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FTFY

because the universe is made in such a way that if you don't breathe you'll die
so the obvious conclusion is that god wants you to breathe
you're turning it the other way around
no, you have no idea what you're talking about
realizing your true nature is not "evidence of brain"

why is the necessity of breathing for life evidence of god? It could also be evidence for the will of Steven Seagal, right? Maybe Steven Seagal wants me to take steaming dumps.

>realizing your true nature is not "evidence of brain"
neither is it evidence of god

The definition of existence is (in my own words) "that which can be percieved through the senses, by 2 or more people, exists."
That means that I can claim that a giant rock exists in the solar system of WOLF359, since it is an application of this rle, and the statement would be logically valid. However for it to be true, I need empircial evidence.
That which cannot be percieved /measured / recorded (per definition), does not exist. It CANNOT exist. Thus "god is not inside reality, but he exists" is the same as "that which cannot exist, exists"

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>why is the necessity of breathing for life evidence of god?
I never said that, flawless logic right there retard
god by definition is the source of everything, that means it's also the source of this universe if the universe is constructed in such a way that it wants you to breathe it means that God wants you to breathe
no two perceptions of the same object are the same
some people see more colors some people recognize patterns better it all depends on the structure of your brain and not only that
also by your definition the perception itself doesn't exist

>also by your definition the perception itself doesn't exist
the word perception is a concept, concepts don't exist in physical reality. Concepts cannot act, will, or react. God can't be a concept, since he wills and acts. My premise stands.

>I never said that, flawless logic right there retard
>god by definition is the source of everything
aaand we're back at statements that cannot be tested and therefore have no value whatsoever..

>I never said that, flawless logic right there retard
Yes you did, and by the way I don't think you know what logic is
If you knew, you wouldn't be claiming those ludicrous things

Well aren't we lucky that you were there to disprove what the mysterious "most atheists" (just fucking write "my strawman", you'll save like 2 characters) imagine.

Ask yourself this however, which God do you, personally, believe. Is it the sort of God that bestows his wisdom on a bunch of desert goatfuckers, you know talking snakes - answering prayers - watching you mastrubate sort of 'guy' or the "universe" god, who the desert goatfuckers had no insight in on account of having no idea what a universe is compared to what we know now.

Because you see, i don't give a shit either way, however your Church pals will. Because the universe-god doesn't need your money, nor does he seem to be inclined to provide them with needed narrative explaining why the priest is better than you. Explaining the universe-god to the Church will go about as well as trying to convince Coca-cola they shouldn't charge for their drinks, they idea itself shows fundamental confusion about what the point of the whole thing is.

You want to call the Universe, whatever it is in it's entirety, "God"? Go for it, i mean, it's a bit confusing, two words to mean the exact same thing, but hey, it could be worse, if your retarded sense of self demands it, why not.

You should however consider the reason why it is called the Universe and not "God", and that reason is the word, in this context, would mean nothing. Take your world-view and replace the word "God" with the word "Nigger", as a result of this transformation, did any of your views lost the qualities you've assigned to them? Did any of your logic conclusions lost sense you saw in them?

Because if they did then you seem to have assigned transcending value to three Latin letters in a certain sequence that, i can guarantee you, they do not have.

However "deep" and ambiguous you want to make it to keep convincing yourself f@m

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>the word perception is a concept
I'm not referring to the concept I'm referring to phenomenon of having content(qualia) in your field of awareness

>God can't be a concept, since he wills and acts
not only that, god cannot be conceptualized, that's why god can be only perceived but not grasped
>aaand we're back at statements that cannot be tested and therefore have no value whatsoever..
that wasn't the point, you said:
>When you say "god wants you to do that", Yes you did, and by the way I don't think you know what logic is If you knew, you wouldn't be claiming those ludicrous things
no I didn't, go review what exactly I said there

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Pretty sure this whole conversation is worthless as god is many things to many people. It's a subjective thing that can be collectivized into one super being because we can understand that. Everyone has some vice or glitch, but god doesn't. So, we take value from knowing that there could possibly be a being greater than our own. Whether god exists or not doesn't really matter because if you benefit from knowing a higher power exists, that's fine. If you benefit from not believing, that's fine too.

Perfect

>god cannot be conceptualized, that's why god can be only perceived
Ok so giod can be percieved, that means he exists in physical reality and has physical properties. Got any empirical evidence, like, a photo of god or seomthing?
>tfw back to step 1

>which is wrong, it means this is what you should do based on how the reality is
What?

>no I didn't, go review what exactly I said there
How about you re-phrase it? Would help to get your point across.

Stop pretending there is a fucking man in the sky, quit interpretating the stories in the fucking Bible as gospel and as a scientific journal.

I love the philosophy in the Bible, but beyond that you just sound like a fucking weaboo wishing his waifu were real

oh wow nice one OP that is such a clever little point, I guess now i have to believe in God!

^what OP actually, unironically thought people woudl think after seeing his post.

Lets all just take minute too appreciate that were are dealing with an actual Autist

God exists.

It just isnt sentient or benevolent, or christian.

why would it be?

no, WE ARE god. God is the sum of all. However god is immeasurably massive, the univers eis but an infinitesimal sliver of this all. God is the be all end all of all.

The distinction between atheists and deists is that atheists choose to not call this everything a god. in a sense, they are correct, it is not anything close to a god in the way we think of it.
deists are also correct in a sense. they may choose to call it a god, because for all intents and purposes, it might as well be the watchmaker.

it doesnt matter in the end. we all return to the void eventually.

just enjoy the ride, and take solace in the fact that infinity rides beside you.

As for titles, I would say I am neither atheist nor deist. These titles are too specific to be any good, and as a result trim off parts that are neccisary to describe the whole picture. While they are mutually exclucive, there is soo much outside of both that lacks a proper description, which forces the hand of both the meme agnosticism and what i am describing now to have no title.

The right image is the red pilled as fuck. Unfortunately for Christians it btfos their conception of God

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ACTUAL RED PILL

>Ok so giod can be percieved, that means he exists in physical reality and has physical properties
no
god "is the thing" out of which quality arises and to which it fades - it's the alpha and omega of everything
it's the one single "thing" that is not impermanent and so it's beyond time space and concepts
it's eternal and unchanging and it's there even after your death
once you realize you're it (not intellectually but by direct experience) you have eternal life
you could say it's nothingness but even nothingness is itself a concept, a thing
you could say that it's a special kind of nothingness
but no matter what words you use, you will never get any closer to the experience of it
for you to notice it you need razor sharp concentration power
when you get a glimpse of it it will be without a doubt the most meaningful experience in your life

I think Quantum Mechanics is a more appropriate tool for that than sitting around and look at the funny pictures on the inside of my eyes

The right side image is a pantheistic view of God. You're correct that the Church considers such a view heresy and has executed people for it before.

>t.bluepilled jew
The Bible descibes people like you.

So, if literally everything is part of God, then all sentient beings (who also parts of God) are unable to sin, since God cannot sin.

Really makes you think why certain (((people))) use G-D instead.
They deny reality?

pictures are qualia
you gotta look at source
quamtum mechanics, although there are parallels, deals with something completely different

>Reality is a subset of God
That's nice and all but where's the proof?

Catholic here.

The right is actually pretty accurate to true Christian teaching. St. Thomas Aquinas referred to the idea of God as a person to, "trying to fit the ocean into a thimble."

sin is what furthers you away gets you away from realizing that you're it

God is a jew

Tell me about it
>hey I'm privy to exclusive information on the nature of reality
>here's a retarded diagram
>also this is what atheists believe and is not at all a blatant reflection of my own beliefs

>not like humans
>but in the same time made humans in his image
>buying into muslim-tier bible "interpretations" aka fanfics

But how can I be able to sin of every part and aspect of me is God?
Is it even possible to be outside God using this ?

Or if you sin, you move outside of God? Or God just withdraws out of you, since there is no "outside of God"?
This means there are someone who exist in our reality and at the same time isn't part of God?
Is Devil just sealed capsule of absolute sin drifting in vacuum of God?
How much sin is required to become God-free?

Look into the principle of order.

The universe has laws, such as the laws of thermodynamics. Why?

Why does the universe behave in an orderly fashion? Why doesn't it just stop being predictable and start being chaotic?

There is where you will find god.

the jewish god is a counterfeit
>everyone knows the real God is a Serb


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Do laws of thermodynamics care about you believing in them?

>not in reality
>real

>stuff objectively matters to people - which ar the very least, is evidence that caring universe is not unlikely.

More likely it's evidence that since we're the same species we have similar interests for our well-being.

moar like it

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