Capitalism is cancer and communism is cancer. Fuck you both

>Capitalists are fucking retards
>Communists are fucking retards

You fucking mindless drones just don't get it do you? Capitalists are on the extreme side of competitiveness while communists are on the extreme side of veiled compassion and egalitarianism.

Well guess fucking what, humans are a 50/50 mix of FUCKING BOTH. Reciprocity is a species-typical behaviour of ours because we get shit in return from those we help and we help preserve those things in the world and society that benefit our genes. Competitiveness is a species-typical behaviour of ours because we all have different skillsets that we need to optimally exploit to ensure the continued survival of our genes.

You fucking retards want to engineer societies that humans don't fit in to because we're neither 100% competitive nor 100% compassionate.

Capitalists and communists are fucking thoughtless, mindless drooling retards that can't even stop and think about the nature of their own existence as a biological being for even a single second.

Pic related, the average capitalist/communist.

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>assuming all humans have the same capacity for empathy as white people do
That's where you're wrong, faggot. National Socialism is the only way. Sage.

>capitalism
has worked
>communism
has not worked

capitalism is the epitome if voluntary cooperation, you stupid faggot

While I agree, you stl have to pick one. At least until the moderate party emerges (which will destroy itself in record time over petty bickering btw).

>Capitalists are on the extreme side of competitiveness while communists are on the extreme side of veiled compassion and egalitarianism.
>Well guess fucking what, humans are a 50/50 mix of FUCKING BOTH
What do you think regulations and social programs are for within a capitalist economy?

So what isn't cancer?

>What do you think regulations and social programs are for within a capitalist economy?

For giving the state a publicity-friendly method of gaining more power/control and to reduce the overall living standards for everyone, including the poor.

how can you say that when neither has actually been tried?

Nigger having having convictions from both "sides" doesn't make them any less serious.

Another centrist who doesn't understand any of the positions he claims to oppose, and plays it safe by criticizing "extremist" views so he doesn't actually have to put forward an actual argument.

What the hell do you think "capitalism" is, retard? It's a broad-as-fuck term for state policies governing private ownership and structured trade. In the absence of a government, it's called bartering. It's a general LACK of economic restriction. It's what emerges organically when there's nobody telling you what you can and can't do with your own property, whether that property is secured by law or by force.

Comparing "capitalism" to a distinct political-economic regime such as communism, and attempting to reduce both to a measure of competitiveness, tells me you have no understanding of what either represent.

> Regulating/overseeing things like housing and stock exchanges isn't necessary to prevent catastrophes, corruption, and market failues, it's only about gaining power

it does mean your position is not based on principles or logic, but rather on an unwillingness to identify with either extreme


centrism is by definition disingenuous tripe

No, it means that my position is pragmatic rather than ideological.

hello there user

yeah...
it is.

Any catastrophe you could point to as a reason for state intervention was caused by state intervention in the first place, whether it's the housing bubble or the great depression.

you get to pretend you're smarter than BOTH sides of the spectrum when you're a centrist

yes, pragmatic as a utility for social acceptance. It's pragmatic for you to be centrist, because picking a side requires courage of convictions and a willingness to be seen by some people as an extremist or radical.

if you actually cared about pragmatism, ie which system yields the best results, you would pick a side, because only one of them actually yields the best results

>Both blarg and floerg are cancer and people who like them are retards

Define your term pannekoek, people use so many different definitions of both these terms.

At least give us some clue where you are coming from so we can call you names in the correct way to maximally trigger you.

>genes

you know genes can be bough and sold, in the form of sperm.

IN a free market, the best genes, the best sperm, would eventually win out. The sperm from the smartest donors, for example.

Capitalism isn't so bad after all.

Centrist cuck, shove your social democracy up your ass.

>a utility for social acceptance
That's very presumptuous considering that I'm a flagrant fucking IRL racist.

Communism is an absolute meme because it assumes that the pervasive corruption that happens in all private business won't affect the government.

Free-market capitalism is a meme because it allows sociopaths to financially entrench themselves and exploit the public. (Just like what's happening in the world right now!)

I have no idea why any of you would defend a system so staunchly that always tends towards the death of the nation state

The fact that you just called the current paradigm "free market" is all I need to know. You have a shit load of learning ahead of you. I'm actually jealous.

the reason we have the current situation is exactly because of interventionist faggotry whereby the state uses its legitimized violence to control outcomes in accordance with the wishes people who manipulate them, which is the inevitable outcome of allowing the state to intervene in the market.

For fuck's sake, pretty much everywhere jas a central bank/currency, and you unironically refer to this as "free market."

lmao

>National Socialism
CRASH
BURN(literally, see: Dresden)

Authoritarianism of any kind, be it national socialist or cosmopolitan socialist will invariably lead to ruin as government and authority from without take the place or family, and responsibility from within.

>but capitalism sells us degeneracy
And you buy it. Take responsibility. Blame yourself.
>but I'm not degenerate
And yet here you are on Sup Forums. So that's bullshit and you refuse to accept you're as bad as any other piece of scum.

It seems like socialism and communism would only work in a society where everyone was sincerely trying to better themselves, become more compassionate and put others needs ahead of their own - like the early Christians who shared all things in common.

My dude the state is part of the market these days. Just about everywhere in the world politics and central banks are controlled by private, corporate interests. This is the result of a free market.

>capitalism is the epitome if voluntary cooperation, you stupid faggot

No it's the epitome of mass exploitation of the working class by the rich you stupid faggot. Look at Victorian/industrial England. Look at how many people were killed around the globe by European capitalist's lust for resources.

The only reason Bolshevik Russia was so bad was because they didn't have enough colonies filled with conquered shit-skins to throw into the ovens of industry so they made due with their own underclass.

Unions and government regulations as much as small business owners watered down capitalism's poisonous competitiveness and gave rise to the working class.

With the death of socialist unions, comes the death of the middle class. Ultra-capitalist America has no middle class anymore. Half it's engineers are imported chinks or poo in loos that are used to drive down wages and disempower the skilled labor of the west.

FPBP

uhh, yeah, it is. That does not mean it should be. And that, by definition, is not a free market.

So don't blame free market capitalism for our situation. It doesn't even exist. We have the centrist's wet dream, which is why I despise centrists even more than commies at this point. You're useful idiots for commies.

Hi Varg. Nice VPN.

"Would anyone like to work in this field for 10 hours for this wage?"
"No, thanks, I can find better work elsewhere."
"I'll take the job!"
"Ok, agreed."
*shake hands*

Communist faggot: "EXPLOITATION! LOOK AT PEOPLE FROM A TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO WHO DID BAD THINGS!"

>Authoritarianism of any kind, be it national socialist or cosmopolitan socialist will invariably lead to ruin

Thousands of years of effective top-down empires, kingdoms, and republics prove you wrong faggot.

Libertarianism is pure cancer and inevitably leads to predatory authoritarianism where the rich own and control everything and own private armies and everyone else is a serf being milked like cattle. It's the religion of corporate shills and autistic 15 year olds who need to be beaten and gassed.

If you don't know what capitalism and communism are, shut the fuck up.
Your shit opinion is completely worthless.

What you literally just said was that both people who want private ownership and no private ownership are ''cancer''. Both people who want less regulations and more regulations are ''cancer''. Both people who want choice and a surplus of resources and people who want a limited supply of resources with limited choice are ''cancer''.

You're a fucking idiot.

>effective
that's why not a single one still exists today
gg

>posting on a burmese word burning board will lead to the degradation of society
Really whisks my eggs

There's nothing about capitalism that prevents you from being compassionate

> Any catastrophe you could point to as a reason for state intervention was caused by state intervention in the first place
No that's completely wrong, private industry has had massive, monumental failures which negatively impacted the economy numerous times.

>"Would anyone like to work in this field for 10 hours for this wage?"
"No, thanks, I can find better work elsewhere."

Yeah, because that totally worked out well for the peasants of feudal Europe didn't it?

Also, why should they work on YOUR land. It sounds like even in your vision of this scenario you and your fellow oligarchs control all the land.

>Inb4 the non-aggression principle.

It's completely unenforceable, and goes against human nature even more so than the supposed pure-altruism of communism.

>don't blame free market capitalism for our situation
This situation exists because 18th century bankers, and then late 19th-20th century Wall St. traders were able to use their freedom to usurp power and establish themselves.

I'm no fan of the existing system, but slightly different debt-based economies are not solutions.

Best system is meritocracy and technocracy mix.

Capitalism and thus Competitivness has a biological basis and still allows for voluntary compassion.

Communism on the other hand is enforced compassion and wipes out ambition.

Socialism is only one step away from being Communism, still functional but only delays societal collapse.

Free market capitalism has been tried and was sucesfull in the US until about the end of the 80s when they started to implement more and more retarded social politics.

Remember this:

>Big government creates corruption , high taxes and less pay/opportunities for the common man eventually leading to mass poverty.

>Small government creates more private initiatives, less taxes, less corruption, more economic and political freedom which leads to more work and more pay.

>peasants of feudal Europe


I thought you were criticizing capitalism and free markets?

A landed aristocracy and serfdom are not aspects of capitalism nor free markets, you dumb commie fuck

We live in a top-down society. Corporations and bankers are at the top, and everyone else serves them to get the money for their food and housing.

Rich families have stakes in many companies forming an entrenched neo-nobility.

That's a type of governing structure, not an economic system.

day of the leaf cometh

Mixed market economies are shit. I am a staunch capitalist but I would rather live in a communist country than have to deal with these retards who think they can meddle with capitalism to any positive effect.

actually landed aristocracies and serfs are much more likely to arise in socialist nations XD

>A landed aristocracy and serfdom are not aspects of capitalism nor free markets, you dumb commie fuck

Yes but a landed industrialists and wage slavery are you retarded capitalist fucktard.

That is because capitalism isn't a system. There is no ''capitalist ideology''.
Capitalism is just a lack of government involvement in private matters.

Socialism/communism doesn't give you a choice. You can't be compassionate, you can just do what the government wants you to do. Where your tax money goes is not up to you.
The problem these faggots have with '''''''''capitalism'''''''' is that they KNOW people are not going to choose to be compassionate. If all of us could just not pay any taxes, the vast majority of us would choose that, and if most of us wouldn't choose it, why is it forced on us? If society as a whole decides that they would much rather keep their money than give it to the homeless, why do we need to save the homeless?

We should really just get rid of this retarded commie made up term of '''''''''''capitalism'''''''''' and call it what it actually is, a lack of communism/socialism.

I suppose that's why 1% of the country controls 50% of the wealth in the US?

Give it up shillboy. Your sham of an ideology is good for no one but the very rich.

>Thousands of years of effective top-down empires, kingdoms, and republics prove you wrong faggot.

....They're all dead. Yet capitalism remains.

Doesn't take away the fact that this website primarily deals in "degenerate" behaviors. You do not get the ability to ignore degenerate behaviors when you take part in them. It doesn't work like that.

Ok, but we all agree that we should close our borders and deport all non-Europeans, right?

We all agree that the replacement of white Europeans/genocide is the biggest challenge we are up against.

>I suppose that's why 1% of the country controls 50% of the wealth in the US?

No, it's because 1% of the population has enough ambition, greed, AND intelligence to obtain 50% of the wealth.
The other 99% either do not care enough(that's me) or are too stupid to pull it off(that's the general public).

You mean allowing the state to intervene on the market has lead to MORE power for the elites and LESS wealth for the poorer rungs? It's almost as if the state ruins even thr best and most noble things it comes into contact with. i.e. voluntary interactions and exchanges if goods and services between peaceful actors. It's almost as it you're making the ancap argument, my dude.

Great... Another group of people for libertarians and AnCaps to piss off... Let's get started

Filthy KIKE detected

It should be an economic system based on the concepts of fluent market, meaning that the gov's role is to make the economic flux more fluent but in accordance with regulations.
Free market is just too hard to reach and not applicable in the modern society context.
The concept of "laissez faire laissez passer" should have the word laissez replaced by Aidez.

There's no such thing as a "pure capitalist" capitalist country, there will always be some level of government interference, regulation, etc. and it's unavoidable and not a bad thing, the government is a necessary part of a market environment and ideally has a positive and symbiotic mutual relationship with markets.
> Capitalism is just a lack of government involvement in private matters.
Not really, capitalism needs a government to enforce property rights and contracts.

That is not the case though.
The 1% who hold most of the wealth are bankers who get bailed out by the government, the biggest companies that evade taxes while their competition gets taxed to deaths, lobbyists and pattern owners.
Without big daddy government there would be more wealth redistribution.

In Murica the small businesses are the ones that suffer he most. Those businesses are never going to grow to a large enough level to compete with the large establishment companies that outsource all their labor.
Less socialism would allow smaller companies to grow and compete with the big companies, it would uplift the middle class while hurting the profits of the richest people alive.

Public healthcare understates your problems because it's expensive to treat them.

Private healthcare overstates you problems because it's profitable to treat them.

>2017 America
>Ultra-capitalist
choose one (uno)

America has never been this communistic before

Poldermodel

a state is not required to enforce contracts, at all

Except you gey raped and pilliaged by hordes of nomads in the ancap model.
>muh guns
Yea sure

NatSoc is the only way my friend. It recognizes the individual as well as the common good.

and why exactly would that happen?

>thinking capitalism is some sort of ideology

it's just trading property, there's more compassion in capitalism since it's such a good system people can afford to give to charity and let their useless NEET relatives leach off of them, unlike in communism where no one has anything

>Libertarians defending greedy, narcissistic parasites who prey on other people.

Not surprising at all. You guys are getting gassed on the day of the rope for sure.

Capitalism doesn't ''need'' anything.
Just because there isn't a big daddy government protecting your land and resources doesn't mean you've got rid of capitalism.
All it means is that government role in protection of private property gets transferred to you, now you have to make sure no one is stealing your shit.
The idea that capitalism magically disappears if instead of a government, you protect your own stuff, it's insane. You have to go trough mental gymnastics to redefine capitalism into something that sounds like a system that is comparable actual systems like socialism and communism.
Capitalism is not a system. It's volunteerism.

Sorry bud. Facts are facts.
Just because you think it's not fair that 1% of the population owns the world doesn't change the facts.
A small minority has always controlled the majority. This won't change until the majority becomes as intelligent and motivated as the minority, and unfortunately for you the minority uses authority to keep the majority too dumb, satiated, and broken to ever become intelligent and motivated enough to join the minority.

They've convinced you fucks to use the bane of your lives as though it is your savior, and they get away with it precisely because you're a bunch of fucking retards who can't figure out how to take the helm.

Those of us who have this figured out but want no parts of being wealthy? We become outlaws.

He isn't your friend. he's a shill promoting the interests of the rich and of jews.

See pic related:

Why does it happen in africa?

oh fucking gas yourself, retard

>Commies defending the use of violence on peaceful individuals.

WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED? OUT OF THE HELICOPTER YOU GO!

I do like capitalism, I'm actually quite wealthy. However it would work better if all the Jews were genocided first

because it's full of niggers. how can you even ask that question?

America is not? Lol your ideology is utopian. People wont cooperate with you just because you would with them. People are greedy. And niggers are a thing. Dont be a naive ideologue faggot

Sorry bud, but everything you say is a lie to further your own agenda. You spread poison as a cure to the poison you subtly gave to your client.

Libertarians are the bane of human society. Every successful empire has squashed or exterminated your worthless class in order to create the golden age of their respective societies (pic related was one of them).

Your time is limited.

I'm 100% capitalist. Watchu gon do?

>Libertarians defending greedy, narcissistic parasites who prey on other people.
I'm not defending them. I'm telling you WHY they own all the shit and control your life.
You cannot be in that position and NOT be a narcissistic greedy parasite. It's just not possible.

>but the Nazis...
Hitler was a narcissistic greedy parasite. Himmler. Goebbels. They sat on high eating caviar in their mansions and well-appointed offices while the German people fought, bled, and died to defend those positions of authority.
And it was their hubris and narcissism that eventually led to mania and psychosis, causing the leadership to hit a wall, fall, and break under the powers of an even greater authority.
They only things to survive WWII in Germany were the German people(the weak ones not killed in war), the "German" name, and of course capitalist interests(BASF, Volkswagen, Mercedes/Daimler/Benz, IGFarben, Audi/Auto Union, etc).

If someone doesn't want to cooperate with me, they don't have to. They can go cooperate with whoever they want. That's what freedom is, bruh. I'll find someone else who wants what I have to offer. Or, I won't, and I'll have to rely on charity, which would exist far more abundantly without a state.

Its interesting that you think we wont take from you by force. Which was my only point.

man, fuck. I don't appreciate when people use ''sheep'' as the mindless animals..I love sheeps, can't you use something else kek?

Here's a thought experiment for the brainlets who still don't get it.
Here's a hypothetical scenario.
>government suddenly abolishes the police force
>only keeps an army big enough to defend the country and politicians
>tells you to protect your own goddamn property
>lowers your taxes by how much it cost for the government to enforce private property rights
>now people hire their own guards
>more people investing in security
>more people buying guns and guard dogs to protect their own property
In this scenario, did capitalism get abolished?

Kys fgt

>Every successful empire has squashed or exterminated your worthless class

On the contrary. They're scared shitless of us.
There's a reason people in Europe are severely limited on what weapons they can legally own.
An empire that is not afraid of liberty does not ban weapons, drugs, speech, or butter knives.

ok, so you admit that YOU'RE the rapacious barbarian, which makes your vapid defense of the state all the more sensible.

Come and take my shit, fag. Just try it.

Daily reminder that we are living under global capitalism.

Youre failing to see my point. Typical. Have fun larping

corporatism*

socialism*

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
>Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.

Keep ignoring the facts.

>My special snowflake kind of capitalism hasn't been attempted yet.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
>Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production

Keep ignoring the facts.

Stupid fucking commie.

lol your point is the most basic bitch entry level horse shit any ancap grapples with when they first get into libertarianism.

I get it, it's just a shitty point. Collective defense does not require a violation of the NAP, leaf

>facts make people commies
I'm a commie then.

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