How would your ideal society deal with the seemingly inevitable future in which automation and artificial intelligence could replace nearly all jobs?
Currently I'm not an advocate for socialism but after thinking about it it seems capitalism is inevitably going to give rise to some pretty dystopian societies in the future if this issue is not properly addressed.
I envision two options:
>1) AI controlled fascism
>2) Distributism
Either one should do the trick.
So for distributism do you envision perhaps having a law that says each newborn will be provided robots or whatever that produce things? How do you determine who gets what? Can you elaborate on it?
Birth rate control.
Fewer people.
we need to stop believing that birth is a fucking miracle. it's not.
easy
let the government provide the means of production rather than the system that we have now
i think the west will accept that there are basic needs provided for, but there is a lot of friction between then and now. china and the east is probably fucked long term. it's going to become a relay race to the lowest bidder and the middle countries get a shitty currency.
it's weird to think that there one day be very little production but that's the direction it has to head. it's also weird to watch as everyone is shifting to service because production is already a race to the lowest price. imagine, what can go up in price? honestly, only electricity and energy from here, real estate and services. materials and refined goods will only slide. there is a finite level of demand for cheap replaceable shit and that one's already flooded. can you really build an economy around selling plastic spoons to india tomorrow? africa? the answer is not really, so we get to watch the scramble as whole regions start to realign. their banks will have no leverage besides reserves or real estate to enforce their currency, but what is left to add value when everything is cheap molded shit. industry has to splinter into well-refined products or they'll lose to more efficient competition. beer-> microbrew. the whole world goes this way
its a myth
Assuming near unlimited and clean energy production (fusion etc) I think
in order to avoid a dystopia we'd have to do away with currency.
With all labour looked after by AI and automata who's only need is the
free unlimited energy, we'd be free to do whatever we want to.
I think mainly this would take the form of exploring the galaxy initially.
After we've explored and colonised the galaxy we'd either move on to another
or develop some other form of entertainment.
But all this hinges on whether currency is retired at the appropriate time.
Eventually our galaxy spanning species would begin to trade again and a form of
capitalism might arise again but it needs to die first.
Kill the Muzzies, then the Niggers, then the Spics, then the poo-in-loos, then the chinks, then the whites, then enjoy a perfect all Jew world.
Many companies don't even have the resources to update from Windows XP. In order to reach the level of automation that gets memed about, you would have to change the whole model. It's going to be decades at the very least before there's a highly available automaton that can replace a human welder.
The real question is how do we get the shitskins to stop breeding
love the bury my head in sand posts. there are always a couple
They're replaced in factories already. Sure there will be job site welders for a while but how many people can do that.
>i think the west will accept that there are basic needs provided for
This has basically been my position previously as I've had a somewhat pragmatic political view consisting of "add parts of liberalism/capitalism and social democracy that seem to work together". I learned about UBI and thought "Well yeah that makes sense, everyone should have basic needs provided and the free market will do the rest".
Then it hit me: there's no meritocracy in a future of capitalism and no labor as you can't leverage your skills in any meaningful way to get up in society. It would effectively become a static class system with a literal bourgeoisie controlling the means of production and the rest of the population getting some share of the pie. Initially I thought a strong social democratic state could keep things in check but the death of meritocracy and the idea of a static class system didn't sit well with me.
So what do? Democratic socialism? AI controlled communism? Some sort of corporatism? Distributism?
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get rid of mormons ?.
>this future thing you're suggesting is in the future
Gee thanks leaf
Whales are highly intelligent creatures, that we need to learn from. If we just commited mass suicide we'd get rid of all the problems at once.
you better remain anymous and not be dockxed when saying that
Owners are interested to pay as little as possible because that is how he gets the workers to work more for the same amount of money. When nobody will have nothing to gain from exploiting others, they will simply have no interest in stacking up their products. They will distribute it to people in exchange for absolute power.
power corrupts, you left/right, woman/man,
is the scientific (not so easily proved, you need to get everyone behind you) capable of rising up to pure power ? they are not
I was just exploring the cause effect. They'll have all the food and all the means to produce it, the surplus would stop being goods for them. They'll just give how much they want to whoever they want. People will be their pets. They will make people build factories that build factory-building robots, which will build a factory for military robots, at which point uprisings will become impossible, and humanity will slowly degenerate and die out, unless we get into a rivalry with an alien species.
you are not wrong, but I don't care about that
I know. we're just givin each other (you)s here
Somebody has to fix the robots. Or the robot fixers. Or the robot fixer fixers.
fuck off gypsy
(you) fuck off non country
actually robot fixers are still robots, so they can fix themselves. It's not that impossible to imagine if you think that doctors cure humans, but that doesn't mean that only God can cure doctors. A doctor who has a health problem can see another doctor. Similarly, you just introduce the algorythm of fixing fixers inside each fixer, along with the algorythms for fixing each other class of robots and that would be all.
americans beat us wiith their black versus white guys, we are concerned about illuminati running mass migration schemes
we also need to dominate woman