UNIVERSAL INCOME

I’ve seen this idea being kicked around for a little while now in the media such as JRE, Molymeme, etc. There are actually some good points to be made (e.g. the “What would you do if you didn’t have to worry about your basic needs?” meme) Yet something about it doesn’t feel right about the idea of relying on your government state to fulfill your basic needs. Is this a viable economic strategy? What is Sup Forums’s thoughts?

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pol cant be fully against it because the elephant in the room about UBI is that its inception of an idea came from the right.

>child trafficker
>Dr. Gay
>I sniff cocks

I'm dying over here

We all know robots will take over labor jobs eventually, but what will that do to the horde of morons who are only skilled to work those jobs.
Maybe the solution is universal basic income giving you the freedom to paint until you die. But it will also generate boredom which is dangerous.

It's one of those wishy washy things that'll probably never work with the way human beings are.

>universal income becomes a "human right"
>every poor person in 1st world gets it
>but what about the poor people in 3rd world countries?
>1st world provides basic income to 3rd world
>1st world goes bankrupt
>everyone is 3rd world
>plus niggers how have your land and homes and women

universal income assumes we've already created all fields of work. this is retarded. look at the industrial revolution. we went from 95% of people working on farms (because that's how many were needed to feed everyone) to rebooting western civilisation into a golden age because individuals were freed of the need to toil in the fields.
we're already seeing the rise of new earning opportunities. 15 years ago who would've thought you could become a millionaire by playing vidya on youtube?
basic income would guarantee a stagnation on innovation and an eventual slide into soviet style dystopia and generally crushing the human spirit.

It all sounds good but when the government controls everything you lose all of your rights.

i love how i love mom is right next to finger blast me lol.

dang i wish i had a "cunt shit" patch

it would really complete the hopeless retard aesthetic that i've been working on

I can kind of see it working in a more homogeneous society like your own but here it would be suicide. Also there is a catch. No government is giving anyone anything without giving something back.

>Boredom is dangerous.

This is the biggest thing that people don't understand.

When I dropped out of high school, I had all of my needs met; the problem is that was all I had. Rich people can do a lot more without having to work because they're rich, they can fill their spare time with exciting shit all day.

But if your basic needs are met, you don't need to work, but you also don't have any nice things in your life. You end up quite bored. I found myself fucking depressed; I had no desire to do anything other than play video games or watch TV all day, I didn't need to do anything else.

The kicker is, I feel a majority of people will fall into this. Constantly seeking forms of instant gratification until that well runs dry, once that happens, you'll have a society of very unhappy people.

Fortunately, now I'm older and have a job and shit to do, I'm not depressed anymore because I actually have a life and responsibilities. I could be living the NEET life to this day if I wanted to, but again, it's just fucking depressing.

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People who talk about robots stealing our jobs are as dumb as the people who thought ending slavery would cause a unemployment crisis. Meanwhile ending slavery lead to the farming equipment and mass manufacturing that lead to the industrial revolution.

If everyone was guaranteed a universal income, a lot of us would have more time to fight corruption in government or invent the next best thing in our freed up time. Of course, this doesn't sit well with our corrupt government.

It's not "universal" if not everyone gets it. And if you give me money, then take away more money than you gave me in order to pay for what you originally gave me, that doesn't count as you giving me money. There would be no "universal basic income". They just want to expand welfare.

Okay so you don't need to acquire resources to live? Well that's great now men have no purpose. It's like, you COULD change your life. You COULD explore your hobbies- write books all day or go to the gym. Well, good luck with that pal. It just doesn't happen. You're NOT your own slave, you can't just create new values. Well you can but that's another rabbit hole. And it's HARD. A man with no purpose is ABSOLUTELY NO JOKE. And that's that.

Any system in which the general populace is reliant upon the government for basic material subsistence will fail. We've seen this experiment a million times before, a people with no leverage against their state is ripe for and defenseless against corrupt authoritarians.

>universal food
Sure.
>universal housing
Why not?
>universal basic health and dental
Do it up.

>universal income
Civilization ends in a nightmare orgy of mindless self indulgence and cosmetic surgery.

>plug every single person into the welfare state
>exactly like the blacks are now
>all social and cultural problems are filled by more and more support from the welfare state
>exactly like happened to the blacks
>completely atomized, no culture, no family unit, just a bunch of aimless hedonists desperate for muh handouts
>just like the blacks
>utopia

Don't forget to let them run every other part of your life too!

You can't be "FREE" to spend your "FREE TIME" unless you're on the government database 15 times a day, you fucking retard!

>Okay so you don't need to acquire resources to live? Well that's great now men have no purpose
I'd be more concerned about the fact that any genetic defect born under this system is now artificially being given the capacity to circumvent natural selection and propagate their potentially harmful defects onto the next generation of people.

Think about it. What's stopping a guy born with an IQ of 50, a fragile bone structure, and an expiration date at 35 years of age from fucking desperate fat chicks at 16 and passing on his condition to who knows how many children? Do this for a thousand years with billions of mutations and humanity is rife with a plague of domesticated, incompetent retards sucking up resources and demanding more money for their pre-existing conditions.

>universal anything
>sustainable
Fucking leaf

I could see this being an incentive for women to fall back into the role of being stay at home mothers, but it would ALSO encourage single motherhood. Maybe basic income should only be for married couples who have children.

I think along those lines too but when the major demo change hits in 20 years, UBI will be the way that (((they))) go for the gun grab. "An american cannot qualify for UBI and be a gun owner"

I want to be a NEET, but the shame of living with my parents as they rag on me for being useless is too much.

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The elites want compliant slaves not active citizens

UI is highly dependent on method and rules. If done through current taxation it would absolutely screw the US economy then tank the global economy. It'd be nearly half the entire US GDP to provide $30,000/year to every citizen, it's just unworkable in that manner.
Personally, I'm against any sort of UI unless we remove all other welfare programs except Medicare. That MIGHT be a route to making it workable.

UBI is welfare for billionaires when all their products are made for pennies by robots, but jobless humans have no money to buy them. Also to prevent a popular uprising against the rich.

But it won't work. Look at aboriginals, free money + no job = plenty of time on their hands to do stupid shit like Standing Rock which they are pledging to repeat for Keystone XL.

Why wouldn't it be when robots do the work for you?

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What methods and rules? This is unprecedented. Also who fits the bill? I'm assuming working/wages are still an option to people who want it?

The idea seems great on paper. Just like socialism, but if people are all getting the same pay why wouldn't everyone just get a job at fast food instead of putting in the effort to become a doctor or some other important job.

But the "Child Traffiker" one is still there

holy shit you sound retarded as fuck. nobody cares about your guns. they are out there and theres no getting them back. the only thing they could do is ban ammo sales and hope supplies wither down over time

Trumpcare is universal income

It would only be viable if immigration was completely banned, and the current imports were deported.

I don't know. What I do know is that $30,000 for each of us is half our total GDP, and that's before (((everyone))) raises their prices to compensate.
It's basically unworkable unless the Feds just took 100% taxes on all earnings, individual and corporate. Even then, hyperinflation would hit about 3 months in and we'd go all Zimbabwe.

negative income tax
remove all other forms of welfare
problem fixed

Not everyone would get it, only those whose jobs were displaced due to automation. Also it's basic income so it would be for housing/food only really. If you wanted anything else you'd have to actually get a job. That's just the beginning though, eventually money would be worthless because we would produce so many goods for almost zero effort with an autonomous infrastructure in place.

UBI is inevitable once automation reaches a certain level, but I don't think we're as close to it as some people like to think.
Our current automation technologies are nearly all preprogrammed and designed to operate in controlled environments.
Our autonomous robots however, are still barely able to open a door handle.

The main risk with UBI of course is population control. If 90% of people have no value as a worker, there is no incentive for those in power to keep them alive and procreating.

>dat pic
Somebody trolled her hard

Is it like Patreon for "creative" types.

The U in UBI means everyone gets it. If you still choose to work, your salary just goes on top of that.

>Not everyone would get it

The have nots would never let this happen. That's why niggers mostly rob and kill each other niggers. Their jealousy of each other overtakes their rationale.

So if we took the entire us federal budget (get rid of the ENTIRE military, medicare/medicaid, social security, all current welfare, fucking everything) it would be about 16k per person (if we're only counting adults).

Doesn't really seem like it would help anyone. Unless you actually don't mean "universal" because no one ever does, you're just saying to expand welfare. It's not some new thing.

If they are stupid enough to make UBI law, I'm going to join the stupid party and sit on my ass smoking pot all day playing xbox. Someone give me a reason why we shouldn't all do the same?

UBI will just increase inflation and COL. The money will also funnel to the smartest and richest anyway, leading to poor that are worse off than ever before.

>Not everyone... jobs were displaced due to automation.
That's not Universal Basic Income.

In the case of automation instead of just rank Communism, there would need to be an incentive to create some kind of productive infrastructure for producing basic goods. You're also assuming that people won't feel a stigma about buying Generic Food again. How's that yellow Government Cheese tasting?
>Y'all are to young to remember this stuff. It was the poor aisle at Stop N Shop.

Humans have a natural inclination to get up and do shit. When they field tested this in Canada the unemployment in the city they tested it in went down by a signification amount. I think it was something like 7 to 5 percent. Problems only arise when such a civilization tries to "save" the 6 billion useless shitskins that have breed themselves into famine.

Universal Basic Income is yet another manifestation of the idea that people's income should come from the gouvernment.
The difference is that you can work for a living on top of UBI and thus increase your income, as opposed to working for the state and getting paid the same as not working for the state.

Robots will displace manual labour entirely, sure.
There will be new jobs in new fields for humans to focus on.
This happened in the 19th century too, and the fear of being displaced by increasing automation has been a real thing ever since the invention of the microchip.
Computers displaced the human calculators, who ended up becoming scientists of some sort instead.

It's going to affect some people.
But to solve it with a dash of communism? No way.

It would have to be reset every now and then because wealth will continue to stratify. Without resets, you'd just end up with a caste system of underclass degenerates spending all their money on booze and whores and an upperclass of successful thrifty artisans. Without a reset, eventually the faggot commies will rear their heads again bitching about income inequality and how the nouveau riche are nothing but bourgeois exploiters of people's desire to have unique items not capable of being manufactured by ai controlled 3D printing factories. I'm all for ubi but you'd have to find a way to root out the commies first.

You have it

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nah, millenials happily consume soylent nowadays. it has a mild pancake batter flavor and I could easily live off of it. only fatties need flavors to satiate their fat brains

>Y'all
>Stop N Shop

What southern state are you in?

it would never happen because a giant portion of its purpose would be getting rid of all the bureaucracy around welfare programs and ending welfare programs

that would never happen in a billion years

How does it feel to be SC's scrotum?

Distributism and forced conscription both do the job better than UBI does

>(e.g. the “What would you do if you didn’t have to worry about your basic needs?” meme)
We already know what some people would do if they didn't have to worry about basic needs.

I'd like to think that a UBI (in a more automated society) would spark a huge boom in education

being lazy and chatting with friends a lot is probably one of the least offensive and most praiseworthy things that blacks do

so i guess you are endorsng basic income???

>What southern state are you in?
Drive far enough North and you cross the Mason-Dixon line again.

>Cheers cunt
fkn sides

Marxist propaganda authored and distributed by Jews who want confiscate all wealth and collect a brokerage fee for releasing it.
The heaven/utopia scam is thousands of years old at this point.
Get a new spiel, Moshe.

The conservative (Milton Friedman) argument is that it would erase the incentive for staying on welfare (you don't lose benefits when you get a job). If you read the CATO paper on welfare payments (sitting on your ass in some states pays as well as a 40-50k/year job), it sounds plausible as a total replacement of welfare. Paying people to do anything can't be worse than paying people to do nothing.

That being said, it's still a terrible idea politically. The Dems would immediately try and raise it to an unsustainable level, bankrupt the country, etc.

Good post