What would have happened if Britain and USA decided to invade Russia after 1945?
Russia was still weak from WW2 and didn't have nukes so the opportunity was perfect, especially because the US was totally unharmed.
Russians would speak English today if the West had the balls to do it. Why didn't they?
they would freeze in the snow, like morons
how would they invade the commies if their own governments were already reliant upon the consent of (((them))) in their own governments?
Churchill himself actually said the reason they couldn't support the Russian Whites during the Russian civil war was because the Whites were very anti semitic and had no jews in their ranks, while the bolsheviks outlawed anti semitism and were seen as more progressive.
The unthinkable would have happened
In 1945 it would have been the Soviet Union being invaded, not Russia.
>German unaware what happens when you invade Russia
Hitler tried that DURING the war. You cant invade Russia every military mind knows that
Figured Hitlers failure would've made you understand that
Fuck off tankie
The US had nukes and Russia had zero. The West would have won.
Hitler neither had the power, nor the ressources of the entire British empire and US, nor nukes.
Both those powers could have defeated Russia.
>What would have happened if Britain and USA decided to invade Russia after 1945?
They would come to regret not having helped the Axis wipe out the Bolsheviks and then fucked up the earth even more.
Fuck Churchill.
It was a defensive plan incase of Communist invasion of Europe you fucking morons.
>USSR
>Weak
>end of WW2
They were the biggets fkin army on earth at that time, the only thing that calmed them down is the nuke
Everything in Eurasia (i.e: the whole fkin continent) would have become sattelite-state of the USSR, only the UK, US and Japan would be somewhat safe from it
Assymetric warfare would have been the way to go imo (in other words, terrorism).
This being said, they should have refered to Finland about
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>Puppets of kike bankers
>attacking commie kike regime
Pick one. With annihilation of last major force on earth where jews held no influence, they won, no more reason for more war.
it's not like they hundreds of nuclear bombs back then, and what's the point of turning a country into glass, that's just silly
If Hitler was unable to invade Russia, how do you think those Amerifags would have done it? The British could have contributed with their pajeets but that is all.
I thought that Stalin arrested the Jews and stripped them of their power?
Do you know how strong the Red Army was in 1945? Speaking in numbers, that is.
>6,410,000 troops
versus the Western Allied
>4,500,000 troops
That would have left 1,910,000 soldiers left for the Red Army assuming a 1:1 KD Ratio.
>The Red Army would have immediately invaded the rest of Germany and Austria
>They would have invaded Greece
>They would have invaded Italy
>Within the first 3 months, the Allies would be pushed back to the Rhine in Germany
>The Soviets would have gotten bogged down in the Alps
>The Soviets would have driven the British out of Greece
>After a year is past, the Soviets would be at the gates of Paris
Soviet war tech was better in many ways to Allied war tech save for bombers.
>See: T-34, Il-2 Shturmovik, etc
The only thing that would save Western Europe from Soviet takeover was the fact that Soviet logistics is shit, simply due to the distances involved (not even to mention partisan warfare).
Once the Soviet supply line goes kaput, then the Western Allies would have taken down the USSR, but not until after losing most of Western Europe. The result would be a thoroughly exhausted America and Russia.
Oh come on, you don't know the history of your own country, what the russians have done to your own reich?
If UK and USA would have dared attack URSS when they were at their mightest they would have been curbstomped in less than a month - remember that they have struggled fighting less than 15% of your troops, mainly rear, reserve troops, while the russians at the same time were exterminating your best 85% with supreme ease.
The entire world would now speak russian.
>Russians would speak English
I think you mean Arabic.
No, you absolute cretin, at that moment USA had no nukes left, the only 2 had already been used. The production of nukes will only start at the end of '45, with the first ones delivered only at the tail end of '46.
Besides, those nukes were actually pathetically weak, they would have had no military effect whatsoever, only good at destroying undefended civilians.
>Russia was still weak from WW2
Russia in 1945 was immensely more powerful than Russia in 1941 and compared to the west had more forces on the frontlines and generally used heavier equipment than the western allies (true heavy tanks, massed artillery fire, etc.). If the west declared war on the Soviet Union they would likely be driven back out of Europe even if they followed through with plans to equip German POWs.
The end result likely would have been all of continental Europe goes communist, the capitalists are seen as violent aggressors like the fascists, and the USSR is down 25-30 million people instead of the 20 million without unthinkable. Nukes aren't actually useful unless you have a lot of them, nuking Moscow wouldn't have crippled the Soviets, just pissed them off, and Leningrad was under siege for over two years. Beyond that it is doubtful that the allies had the will to win against the USSR. Can you imagine the American people hearing that the US declared war on the USSR and nuked Moscow, and then hearing every month how 80,000 soldiers were killed that month, or how a large force was encircled and 200,000 Americans were captured by the Soviets? Truman would certainly lose reelection, and the Republicans would leave France and Britain to their fate.
On the bright side such a massive fuck up might result in America returning to isolationism which would be nice.
He killed some of his political opponents, but regime dedicated to subduing goyim to marxism still worked as it was supposed to.
General Patton wanted to invade Russia to annihilate socialism. Unfortunately Patton died in a car (((accident))) and Russia was allowed to freely spread socialism all over the world.
If the USA had listened to Patton then the socialist downfall of the west would have been prevented. Think about it. No USSR that caused lasting damage to east Europe. No socialist propaganda sweeping through our societies. Smaller governments, much larger economic growth, no multi culti and mass immigration from shitholes.
It would literally have saved the world.
Only some, many were still running around untouched
>see hitler try to inavade russia and get btfo
>lets invade russia
Brilliant
>The end result likely would have been all of continental Europe goes communist, the capitalists are seen as violent aggressors like the fascists
Wrong, if you add the Soviet Union's inevitable collapse in the equation then the countries which were former Soviet satellites would be even more anti-communist than they ever were.
¿nuke them?
>T34s superior to M4s
Nice meme. Does your shitbox have a stabilizer as well as superior quality control?
>IL-2s being relevant
We had better planes in every aspect especially at higher altitudes, there would be no possible way for them to reach any of our bomber formations without completely reworking their aircraft
>Soviet logistics being shit
Yes they were, over a third of all of Russia's trucks were imported from the US from lend lease.
>No socialist propaganda sweeping through our societies.
You do realize that leftism was rampant well before and well after the rise of the USSR, right? Socialist riots were all over the place during WW1 and the Paris Commune was an attempt at communism as early as 1871. Even if the west could have destroyed the USSR it only would have resulted in people seeing the USSR as innocent victims and that communism's only flaw was that capitalists hated it.
Besides most leftism in the west doesn't come from eastern communism and isn't influenced by the Soviet Union.
I think you meant no USA.
With what, their farts?
I can't believe you are so retarded. Smells like Kremlin shill.
Russians were absolutely retarded and would not have been able to defeat Germany if it weren't for GB and USA forcing a 2 front war.
Just compare the military losses. Less than 300k for the USA against both Germany and Japan and almost 14 million for Russia against only Germany.
The allies had more people left to recruit
>"with extreme ease"
Don't talk about dubjects you know nothing about you clown.
holy crap, fpbp
I guess razing German cities to the ground and mass raping your women was satisfying enough
It only took one week for us to make a nuke, and assuming heavy industry for it would ramp up, that time period would only decrease
atomic bomb
You are extrapolating very far into the future, which is risky in theoretical scenarios as situations can easily change. The USSR having less devastated countries like France and Italy under their thumb could result in a more powerful and stable economy in the long run. Even if we assume Soviet collapse is an inevitability it could still last decades longer meaning in our hypothetical scenario the Soviet Union could be going strong, on the verge of collapsed, or could have collapsed a few years ago. Of course in our scenario the USSR could have also collapsed in 1960 for all we know. My point is that had we declared war France and Italy would have become communist, maybe not forever but the short term result is still communism.
The citizens of the Western world would lose all faith in their own governments if they kept the war going by attacking our own ally, not to mention the nation which took the worst of the fighting against Nazi Germany.
A communist uprising in France would have disrupted the allies logistics and high command. Maurice Thorez and folks were at an all time high in the population, Staline kept them in check to not hinder the allies efforts against germany. It would have ben the same in Belgium, and the loss of Anvers would have further crippled the allies.
Basically, commies uprising everywhere in allies territory, and they were already trained partisans.
Stfu about Seth Rich, its a waste of fucking time. We have bigger things to worry about right now
USA were capable of building new nukes on more than a monthly rate. They could have nuked all major cities and bombed the shit out of their military positions from their vastly superior aircraft. With both much of the infrastructure gone and constant bombing Russia would have been defeated with negligible losses.
Then there is the issue of remaining people who can fight. Russia had large losses.
Are you the kind of person who browses /sg/ and idolizes Assad and Putin?
I think Italy was in the verge of a gommie uprising as well.
These uprisings would have been avoided if Stalin preemptively attacked and tarnished the gommie reputation by doing more atrocities.
USA could have done it without any help from Britain. They are a bunch of useless cucks anyway.
If we had stayed out pf the war, Brit's would all be speaking German now, and the world would be a far better place.
Soviet had a bad habit of pillaging the shit out of every conquered Land. Silesia, ostpreussen and suce were utterly raped in every meaning of the word. It's almost a trait of the eastern front, and it would have been the same in West Europe.
You look like the kind of cuck who idolize the US.
>Russians were absolutely retarded and would not have been able to defeat Germany
The Soviet Counter Offensive started way before US opened a second Front.
>Just compare the military losses. Less than 300k for the USA against both Germany and Japan and almost 14 million for Russia against only Germany
Probably because (like in WW1) The americans hardly fought (apart from fighting Japan) and basically waited until the war was over to get involved.
assmad kremlinshill spotted
>mfw no american war materiel
Guess we're going hungry tovarish
I just love this quote.
So much truth in that and every Russian will be happy to agree.
Retarded swissgerman spotted
Commies reputation was high as Hell right after Berlin's fall. It declined in Italy when their pow starter to came back from the gulag, with some nasty stories about the (((glorious motherland))) France communist party was not hindered, since nobody criticized the USSR.
It's the same thing in Greece but with a twist. After the Nazis invaded and occupied Greece the communist guerillas didn't attack the Nazis because Stalin ordered them not to. This was before Germany invaded Russia when the NAP was still in effect and they hunted down republican Greeks who were backed by the allies instead.
The allies weren't willing to sacrifice 20 million people defending other countries. You think Vietnam was bad? Imagine Vietnam with a hundred times the casualties and the Vietnamese were our allies until the day we declared war and stabbed them in the back. Daily news story in early 1946 in this scenario.
>The Soviet army launched an offensive along the Rhine last week
>Since the offensive at least 80,000 American soldiers have been confirmed killed in action
>Just today the Soviets closed a pocket encircling two British divisions
>In other news a sixth nuke was dropped on the Soviet Union on the port city of Sevastapol, the casualties likely numbered in the hundreds of thousands
Yeah Americans would abandon France in a heartbeat under those circumstances. Even if Truman refused to withdraw the Republicans would certainly run on a platform of abandoning the war and would almost certainly win unless the tide was turned completely before the 1948 election. In other words unless Americans are marching through Moscow, Leningrad, and Baku by November 1948 the USSR will survive.
>he is not from the only good place of Switzerland
I figured so
It should have been done.
Russia was on it's knees after the patriotic war and more importantly they had no nukes.
The allies should have not stopped at berlin but instead marched all the way to Moscow.
We would have avoided so many shitshows if communism was taken care of in the late 40s.
The biggest mistake the Allies made after declaring war on Gemany and Italy
>Russia was still weak
Russia would have had control over all of Europe minus UK if they tried to attack them
Allies got completely outnumbered and Russians could recruit Germans poles and many others as new soldiers
Even then we are extrapolating too far in a hypothetical scenario. More land and money is good for the stability of the USSR meaning that they will presumably last longer. Longer could mean a year, or it could be 80 years.
"if Hitler wasn't able to invade Russia how do u tink amerifags wudda dun et?" >. Because Hitler was stupid, he had your ideas but was a bad decision maker most of the time.
>DUDE RUSSIA HAD BADASS TANKS AND REZNOV BRO, IL-2 STURMOVIK SO GOOD
They had a
>vastly inferior navy
>vastly inferior air force, especially at higher altitude, which is where the West excelled
>crippled infrastructure
>vastly inferior industrial output
>were relying on the West for everything from high octane fuel to fucking boots
>also
>vastly inferior technology, no jet fighters in production, while the west was already introducing its own by the end of the war
>and of course
>N U K E S
>didn't support the white army
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>the only good place of Switzerland
Don't you have a cat or a dog to eat ?
Wasnt it done to please Churchill, who wanted to put back the royal family on their throne? If I remenmber, eam-elas was used as a bargaining chip in exchange of pretty much anything Stalin wanted in east Europe.
B-but muh AK47. Muh katyusha. Muh Russian anthem.
We should have allied with Germany. That's all that matters.
you have to go back
I'd say yes but the one thing people tend to forget in operation unthinkable scenarios is that the USA had early nukes but the USSR didn't have any yet. Russians however are crazier than the japs in terms of no surrender though and considering most of their cities within reach of bombers were already rubble and because Stalin had a spy in the Manhattan project and actually knew what nukes were unlike the japs who pretty much thought they were some kind of black magic nukes might not have had the same effect on the soviets as the Japanese
Why would you want to fucking spastic?
There's to much edgy spergs on this board
>Invading other countries and destroying their language and culture is cool
Yea, just kys
I observe that only a special kind of people have wet fantasies of forever ,finally to submit these pesky bad , bad goys Russians:
Of the same mental constituency as Louise "Asylum Solitary confinement is my ailment" Mensch
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Agreed, though it's entertaining. And yeah, Soviet would benefited from it, one way or another.
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"Amongst White Army members, anti-Semitism was widespread.[11] Western sponsors expressed dismay at this, especially as the Bolsheviks had prohibited anti-Semitism and appeared more progressive. Winston Churchill personally warned General Denikin, whose forces effected pogroms against the Jews, that
my task in winning support in Parliament for the Russian Nationalist cause will be infinitely harder if well-authenticated complaints continue to be received from Jews in the zone of the Volunteer Armies.[12]"
Or they'd just nuke Moscow and have done with it. The Russians couldn't oppose the American air force at that point.
Why would we invade Russia? We were allied
Operation unthinkable is called so for a reason. If it was tried the only thing that would stop soviet tanks would be the english channel and the Pyrenees
Even if US had another A-bomb, they would not be able to throw it on any major Soviet city, British airfields are farther from SU border than mariana islands are from Japan
If something similair happened you would most possibly live in DDR and most continental Europe would be red.
spoken like a true german
The soviet union was so poorly equiped without the gibs from the usa we would run over them like we did in the beginning
It was russian blood and americas economy combined wjo fucked us plus all the other fronts in europe and niggerland of course
Hey cretin, ever heard of Operation Bagration? Any idea what it faced, compared with your miserable attempts on the western front?
tactically and strategically as useless as a wet tissue paper.
Yea, because they would have been capable of delivering them with the same ease as they did over Japan - it's not like the russians had the largest AA and fighter squadrons in the world.
And vastly superior airplanes? You should really stop taking Hollywood for facts.
Actually even against Japan they have hardly fought - even you the brits have cause more japanese losses on the Burma Front alone that all the US effort in the entire war.
Great question. We should've put the degenerate slav capital to rest long ago
Where does this fucking meme come from? The US was in 4 of the 6 years of the war, plus the lend lease before that. The USA was in direct combat from December 7th 1941 onward, the fuck do you mean "hardly fought"?
> red army
> assuming a 1:1k/d ratio.
I agree where you're coming from but step it up man
>They could have nuked all major cities
That requires that they reach them. If the allies put their bases right on the frontlines than their escort fighters could barely reach Moscow and couldn't reach Leningrad. Since much of the industry had already been moved to the east the US would be unable to bomb Soviet industry like they did Germany.
Besides nukes are the most overrated weapons ever. One nuke doesn't destroy a city, not sure about the size of Moscow in WW2 but using the same size nukes as those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki it would take over a dozen nukes to destroy 90% of Moscow. Beyond that firebombings did far more damage than the nukes did since nukes are extremely inefficient in that they concentrate the power into a single bomb and thus a single target.
Itt larping
Still didn't stop 300 British troops dying for the white army, or 279 Americans.
It didn't stop 150 Australians from fighting in Northern Russia against the communists.
Dont say the west if it means only germany
You west faggots were mever close to a jet
They would have lost.
For fuck's sake, that's the whole reason that they didn't. You can read pages upon pages of actual military plans from the time period detailing exactly how, but the gist is that the Russians had an insurmountable numerical advantage and superior doctrine and technology. This was true from 1945 to 1980, or even 1985 if you're generous, though the US definitely pulled ahead in the air and naval game in the end.
The estimate of the British in 1979 was that Western Europe would hold for maybe 72 hours before the USSR reached the Channel.
People think that the USSR was a joke and a paper tiger and they couldn't be more wrong. We wouldn't have had a Cold War if that was the case.
>muh nukes
In 1945 the US had zero (0) nukes, and the capacity to produce one every three months or so. Europe would have been lost in three months.
>Russian tanks making it to the English channel
It's still too early for this sort of ridiculous humor
This
Red army by 1945 would roll the pussy westerners into the ground.
The battle experience of soviet officers and allied is simply unsomparable, no chance for allies.
Also not to mention half of France would have fought for the USSR.
>What would have happened if Britain and USA decided to invade Russia after 1945?
>Russia was still weak from WW2
Oh wow. The soviets had a mighty military-oriented industry by the end of war and arguably the most powerful and experienced Army. you ever heard of the soviet la manche concept? the soviet tanks armada would have rolled through europe like a knife through butter. and neither brits nor americans would've had a chance to stop that. Glad it didn't happen though
>Assuming America could take 3 million losses without pussying out
You guys would pretty much have to solo the Soviet Union.
the world would be a much MUCH better place if once the jew of germoney and the emporor mook of crappan where defeated we would have kept going and destroyed every single russian. just fucking exterminate them like the insects they are. fuck russia fuck putin and fuck you cucks that worship them. Patton said to keep going and take out the russians but he was killed shortly thereafter by a drunk driver. in other words he was bumped off in order to create a perpetual enemy out of the ruskie filth so (((they))) could make a shit load of shekels.
operation fuck ya mother stupid grout cuck
Shut the fuck up Mehmet.
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Both America and Britain had working fighter jets by the end of the war.
and that compares to hundreds of thousands dying fighting the nazis on the side of the communists how? Those few hundred must be rolling in their graves seeing what would come to pass.
>Patton said to keep going and take out the russians but he was killed shortly thereafter by a drunk driver
MUH RUSSIAN HACKERS
>2:1 death to kill ratio against an enemy with inferior supplies, inferior logistics, interior technology, and is fighting on a second front
Well done Ivan, you serves as nothing more than cannon fodder for the eternal anglo.
>ww1,no more brother wars, next time side by side
>20 years later, britain declares war on germany and italy, who wanted peace and nothing else from the british empire
this is why nobody trusts anglos
wasnt Putin also almost killed by a (((drunk driver))) or something?
It was the opposite m8
Badass Westerners stomped the pussy Russians into the ground in 1941.
Numbers don't lie m8. It's like you begged us to exterminate you. Like sheep waiting for the slaughter. And then you say WE are the pussies?
Stalin was even too pussy to invade Germany despite having 100% evidence that we will invade.
In Australia ww2 was a fight for our survival as we had to face the threat of becoming apart of the Japanese co-prosperity sphere.
And considering all of the Japanese racial propaganda at the time, as well as leaked documents stating that had they gotten us to surrender, they would of sent 2 million colonists down here, most likely to form a ruling class.
We were lied to and Churchill was owned by Jews.
cuck
>Il-2
>Superior
Whatever you say m'lad