Utah Mormons and Protestants are rediscovering a reverence for God by converting to Orthodoxy

>That certainly is the case for Sts. Peter and Paul Orthodox Christian Church in downtown Salt Lake City. The Rev. Justin Havens says the church, located in a former Jewish synagogue at 355 S. 300 East, had fewer than 100 worshippers when he became its priest nine years ago.

>"We have almost tripled in size since then," Havens says. "I would say 60 percent or more of our parish is made up of converts. About half of those are former LDS [Mormons], and the rest are former Protestants and evangelicals, along with a few former Catholics and Episcopalians."

sltrib.com/home/5243596-155/utah-mormons-protestants-finding-new-spiritual

In the Orthodox understanding of Revelation, Babylon is the Jews and the mark is debt to them:

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rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2008/11/orthodox-bishop-comments-on-recent.html
haaretz.com/israel-news/1.726345
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>In the Orthodox understanding of Revelation, Babylon is the Jews and the mark is debt to them: #
From the Jewish-Orthodox Christian dialogue last year

>Deciding to finally address the “elephant in the room” in his closing remarks, the head of the Jewish delegation, Rabbi David Rosen, called for the Orthodox Christian leaders to issue a statement on the status of the Jewish people.

>“A doctrinal repudiation that the Jewish people had been rejected by God could have enormous consequences,” said Rosen, the international director of interreligious affairs at the American Jewish Committee.

>Rosen’s request was met with silence, raised eyebrows and the occasional shake of the head by the Christian delegates.

forward.com/news/breaking-news/324654/after-4-decades-jewish-dialogue-with-orthodox-christians-still-shaky/

>The New York-based Anti-Defamation League on Thursday urged the world's Orthodox Christian leaders to support a Christian proposal to excise ancient anti-Semitic passages from their liturgy.

>Unlike the Catholic and Protestant Churches, the Orthodox Church has never removed anti-Semitic passages from its liturgy, which still refers to Jews as Christ killers, said Dr. Dmitry Radyshevsky, director of the Jerusalem Summit, a conservative Israeli think tank. He noted that the anti-Semitic passages were most conspicuous during Easter services, and included such statements as "the Jewish tribe which condemned you to crucifixion, repay them Oh Lord," - which is repeated half a dozen times during the liturgy - "Christ has risen but the Jewish seed has perished" as well as references to Jews as "God-killers."

jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/ADL-Excise-anti-Semitic-liturgy-from-Orthodox-Church

This is Hilarion's (the bishop in charge of Orthodox-Catholic dialogue) response to that

>Russian Orthodox theologian and bishop Hilarion (Alfeyev) of Vienna's lecture on "Theological Education in the 21st Century"

>Even more inadmissible, from my point of view, is the correction of liturgical texts in line with contemporary norms. Relatively recently the Roman Catholic Church decided to remove the so-called 'antisemitic' texts from the service of Holy Friday.
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2008/11/orthodox-bishop-comments-on-recent.html

>Jewish Radicals Disrupt Greek Orthodox Pentecost Prayer in Jerusalem, Calling Worshipers 'Evil'

>At the height of the ceremony, a small group from the Greek Orthodox, led by the bishop, came down the stairs and entered the Tomb of King David, escorted by the police. The Jewish protestors grew more frenzied. "The Jewish people lives forever!" King David lives forever!" one screamed. "May the name of your so-called God be blotted out forever," cursed another. "Nazi," someone screamed at the police.

haaretz.com/israel-news/1.726345


Listen from 39 min for the Orthodox explain the truth about how Jews feel
orthodoxbiblestudy.info/st-john-chrysostom-anti-semite/

KGB owns your church and that means you're just as bad as the rest.

STOP WORSHIPING JEWS!

Yeah, the KGB would canonize the Romanovs, sure. Oh, and they want get rid of Lenin's body, of course.

>Europe knows nothing other than what Jews serve up as knowledge. It believes nothing other than what Jews order it to believe. It knows the value of nothing until Jews impose their own measure of values […] all modern ideas including democracy, and strikes, and socialism, and atheism, and religious tolerance, and pacifism, and global revolution, and capitalism, and communism are the inventions of Jews, or rather their father, the Devil.

-Saint Nicholas of Zica

Orthodox hymns
Aramaic: youtube.com/watch?v=9nJP-4JzMhQ
Greek: youtube.com/watch?v=AE1FzSC8DBs
Spanish: youtube.com/watch?v=xc91xrGtaKo
Serbian: youtube.com/watch?v=DUCF4ZXpIuU
Bulgarian: youtube.com/watch?v=3wm4RlnnaOU
French: youtube.com/watch?v=GI92g8JWwn8
Arabic: youtube.com/watch?v=Y8r5r4R2yuE
English: youtube.com/watch?v=LUjtgV6OPBM
German: youtube.com/watch?v=2bYq1BqHURs
Chinese: youtube.com/watch?v=PS1uf0oQCg4
Russian: youtube.com/watch?v=hQAgrCuKwPc
Romanian: youtube.com/watch?v=M-rgQve74BI

Bulgarian Orthodox are fucking based. They went through some real horror under the Ottomans, but they never wavered.

Ten differences between Orthodox and Catholicism.

1. Orthodox reject inheritability of sin. Death and suffering are human nature, we only don't suffer them when partaking in perfect synergism with God's energies, which we haven't since the fall.

2. The Orthodox reject the "satisfaction theory of atonement". The Orthodox subscribe to "Christus Victor" (the idea of atonement illustrated in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe).

3. Hell in Orthodoxy is not separation from God. Hell, like heaven, is experiencing the full radiance of God's light and presence, but with a negative relationship so that it is like fire.

4. The Orthodox reject the idea that our understanding of dogma develops. The idea is to keep the exact same understanding the Apostles have, invented terminology is not meant to develop the understanding, but to PROTECT it from being "developed".

5. Catholics define usury as excessive interest, Orthodox define usury as any interest.

6. The Orthodox reject the Catholic idea of supererogation.

7. The Orthodox reject Purgatory. The Orthodox do, however, distinguish Sheol (called "Hades" in Greek) from Gehenna.

8. Orthodoxy places enormous emphasis on fasting, in fact more than half the days of the year involve some sort of fast. And there are even some days which are total fasts, no intake, period. Two consistent fast days (almost every Wednesday and Friday, no meat, dairy, eggs, fish, oils or wine) trace back at least to the Didache.

9. Orthodox draw most of their priests from the married laity, but most of their bishops from monks.

10. Infants can and do receive Holy Communion.

>Utah Mormons
Waves of Aryan children when?

I've high regard for them ever since their initiative blocked this: >The document affirms love and peace as the church's ideals, criticizes racism, inequality, moral degradation and "liberal globalism" -- it's an agenda as conservative as it is anodyne.

>Yet the Council could have changed the Orthodox churches' ossified attitude toward the rest of Cristendom, which has not changed since the Dark Ages. To Orthodox Christians, all other denominations are heresies, not churches. Some steps toward more ecumenism and more openness would already constitute serious progress for what is now the most conservative of Christian denominations. Patriarch Bartholomew, a friend of Pope Francis's, was determined to push it through.

bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-16/the-orthodox-church-stays-in-the-dark-ages

Raised Mormon, lost my faith while serving as a missionary. Just couldent make sense of it anymore. I am intrigued by Orthodoxy because traditionally it is the oldest form of christianity from what i understand.

If I were to attend a service on Sunday, should i call the bishop or priest beforehand? Is there anything I should be aware of as part of the service?

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>it is the oldest form of christianity

debatable. Old Believers are probably the oldest dogma wise, but the Catholic church is the oldest.

You can call or email the priest, but you don't have.

You should probably just watch everyone else to get an idea. If it is a weekday after Pentacost season, there will probably be prostrations unless there are pews in the way. Icons and the priest's hand are kissed, there is a lot of making the sign of the cross. If you the service in English, go Antiochian (which is very evangelical) or OCA. Each parish does things a little differently.

>Certainly the other Apostles also were what Peter was, endued with an equal fellowship both of honour and power; but a commencement is made from unity, that the Church may be set before as one; which one Church, in the Song of Songs, doth the Holy Spirit design and name in the Person of our Lord: My dove, My spotless one, is but one; she is the only one of her mother, elect of her that bare her

>Our Lord whose precepts and warnings we ought to observe, determining the honour of a Bishop and the ordering of His own Church, speaks in the Gospel and says to Peter, I say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. Thence the ordination of Bishops, and the ordering of the Church, runs down along the course of time and line of succession, so that the Church is settled upon her Bishops; and every act of the Church is regulated by these same Prelates

The Unity of the Catholic Church [A.D. 251], by Saint Cyprian

>Uh, no. Most Old Believers don't even baptize. The ones who do eventually came back into communion with us, and are called "Old Rite Orthodox"

Old "believers" are batshit, back in they used baptize familied by burning them, saying water was insufficient. Today they basically like Asmish, but no basptism, no communion. They think Satan took over the Church so baptism is imposible now.

*Pentecost

How long is a typical service? Is there a sermon, or only reciting from the bible?

I'm used to it being 3 hours long. Would you say most congregations have youth or cultural activities? Community?

Being non-churchgoing but raised protestant, I recently looked into Orthodoxy and orthodox services and it's so much more spiritually and aesthetically pleasing than protestantism.

How do I get into it? Anyone got links, podcasts or whatever?

Protestantism is so empty and often downright poz and catholicism would have been nice pre-vatican II but not like it is now.
I also like the implicit identity of Eastern Orthodoxy, even though it's a bit of an oxymoron for me as a German to join it for that

Is Orthodoxy how we can find our way back to God without returning to churches that abandoned themselves?

The homily and readings are a part of the service, but most of the service is litanies and hymns. How long it is varies, depending on they do things. An hour and a half is the absolute shortest. Two to three is the norm, with a bishop it can run four or more.

Goddammit why did the Catholic Church have to abandon Vatican II

The Novus Ordo Mass is such a joke

Not at all surprised by this

You just have to find a Latin Church

Check out Ancient Faith podcasts, especially A Word from the Holy Fathers, which is about the spiritual writings of the saints

Also, watch the movie Ostrov, it's quite beautiful and a great illustration of Orthodox spirituality. The novels The Way of a Pilgrim and Laurus are also good for this.

Western Rite Orthodox is better

Thanks! I wanted to be Christian for some time now, but couldn't get anything out of the Protestant church

You want a guide to REAL Christian living, get The Path to Salvation, by Theophan the Recluse. You see that real Christianity sets you on fire.

What's with all you Protestants converting to Orthodox?

we all know why this is happening

The Prostestant premise is a return to ancient Christianity

Indeed

> Is there anything I should be aware of as part of the service?

Just cross yourself before you kiss an Icon or the Priest's hand.