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fuck capitalism and libertarian scum

>not Vic Seipke
shit taste

Why do you want to make it our problem that you can't handle liberty?

But, if the population is consenting, then surely they're allowed to become morbidly obese! Y-y-you sound like a commie to me, user.

Sexual liberty is my favourite. I love a decadent and pleasure-pursuing population. It's great! Isn't freedom great?

False flag thread made by a libertarian.

Migrant crisis proved that only communism was able to preserve white identity and values.

Prove me wrong

I can't, because you're right. Communism was still degenerate, but it somehow preserved traditional values under, in the words of Jonathan Bowden, permafrost while the rest of Europe fell.

You look nothing like that

>fascism

Ironic digits.

Yes for the so called "decadent" and pleasure pursuing population it is. Obviously you can't handle the fact that people are different and do different things. But this is your personal problem and should not be imposed on society.

Don't tell me you are a communist.

Eveyone in Poland is communist at heart

Didn't happen naturally.

(((Powers))) encouraged it and defend it even with the law.

Fucker beat me to it, I was gonna post this exactly.

Fascism is basically capitalist.

Me on the far right

>hurr durr why people do things I don't like

Unironically tumblr tier

its corporatist

the most successful "fascist" empires have all fallen.

the most successful "communist" nations have all either fallen or done well in fairy tale land.

the most successful capitalist nation has gone onto to become THE top of the international food chance BY FAR. that's the USA, colgate cuckold. now fuck off, bitchy retard.

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Reminder

I've yet to see a smart person who unironically supports Anarcho-Capitalism.

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By this logic, nobody should be penalised for murder or theft, since morality is perfectly relative in your eyes. Morality is simply a manifestation of instinct regarding what is good for your tribe and what is bad for it; I believe that degeneracy (obesity, drug abuse, sexual "liberty", decadence) is ultimately bad for the well-being of the "tribe".

Well, it can be.

That was me prompting you for an explanation.

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Oh fuck off.

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It's the truth

No because murder and theft directly affect other people while obesity and drug abuse only affects you.

Facilitation of obesity and drug abuse (which are undeniably harmful) is negative. The state should safeguard people from this by not encouraging such.

Fascism is only necessary periodically to purge away the excesses in degeneracy created by freedom. After that libertarianism is ideal.

>fascism is only necessary for removing degeneracy that was produced by libertarianism
>reintroduce libertarianism
Sounds like a fun cycle.

The reason I'm saying this: There is no hope in ending welfare and Socialism that enables degeneracy without the use of force.
Any government that ends these systems would see immediately a civil war because these commies aren't going to simply accept that they can't steal shit in order to have a nice life like they used to.

What exactly is a fascist economy? It seems like national socialists (or at least Hitler) said there was no real economic model and that they would just try to implement whatever they felt was necessary to improve the nation. Is this the model? If so this doesn't really seem a system that would be separate only to Fascism.

What are the chances you could end Socialism (welfare) in the West without being willing to use massive military force against your own population?
Be serious? These commies would immediately start burning down the cities if they don't get the gibs.

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Nah I'd rather not live in a nanny state.

Those powers are only powers because of capitalism.

I don't know how radical commies are in Austria, but they're all faggots over here. Have riot police bash the skulls of a few commies in at a riot and flash your military around and they won't do shit.

How does the state encourage obesity?

So you're perfectly fine with me dumping oil into all the lakes into a river as long as part of that river is on my property?

Systems that might help improve the nation doesn't include capitalism or libertarianism.
The furthest it would stretch in that direction are private businesses, open market competition. Anything beyond that is just about improving individual people, at a detriment to the collective.

Bowden had a way with words, that's a great way of putting it

In this (((technological))) world, the nanny is either the corporate entities (who are concerned ONLY with profit) or the state (which can be the same, or can be against such). I'd prefer the latter.
I don't want the state to redistribute wealth or give any sort of gibsmedats, but it shouldn't tolerate complete degeneracy (which, to be fair, is becoming a buzzword at this point).

Fascism and NatSoc was a good and functional mixture of systems tbqh.

It wasn't full laissez-faire capitalism but it wasn't communism either.

In this regard it was very similar to the modern European "centrists" in their economic terms, where they want a (small) welfare state under a free market economy. Their difference lies in the social aspect of their ideology, fascism, as communism did, was always influencing the individual with their imposed morality.

Then don't live in one, bitch. Live somewhere that lets half its population be fat and useless so the countries that force their people to be fit can roll over you

LOL

You don't have to do it over night. Set a 10 year time span and slowly decrease gibsmedats.

Why not just accept fascism? Whats the point of having to rebuild society every few years just so you can claim you are free, even though you aren't as at some point you're going to have to murder half the population.

Yes, basically that is it. Corporations are still all private but if the state decides that something is really necessary for the nation to survive the corporation has to submit it's interests in this case to that of the nation.
It worked quite well.

GDP after WWI: Germany 18 billion $, UK 17,xx billion $
GDP 1938: Germany 56 billion $, UK 26 billion $

Mind that the whole of the West had boycotted Germany by 1930, if that wasn't the case the GDP would've likely been even higher.
Even if Germany didn't invade Poland, the UK and France needed the war because it was obvious to them that Germany would be the new superpower in Europe.
With immense economic power comes immense military power.
That's the reason it needed 6 years of the whole world fighting Germany to bring them down.

I should have said discouraging. It shouldn't allow the production and the encouragement (via media) of junk food and should promote health via "fat-shaming". Same with drugs: they're both harmful shit that shouldn't be in circulation.

>finland
>support communism
hang yourself you ruski imlant

Germany was a pretty huge welfare state, friend. They just didn't allow the people to live OFF the benefits.
The markets weren't very free, either. Can't afford them to be, especially not in wartime. There was plenty of private enterprise though.

You're also dumping into other people's river sections so they can stop you.

No and I'm not Russian

The faggots at the protest are useful idiots. What commies always do is radicalise the criminal elements of society because they are usually the most violent and strong.
That's why you always saw techniques like releasing all prisoners and using them to bash the right. (French Revolution, Allende in Chile, Soviet Union)
In case of the US it would undoubtably be the niggers who WILL be used against you at some point.
In Europe it will be the shitskins who WILL be used against me.

But they don't HAVE to drink that water, so it's fine. It's entirely consensual. That's how freedom works. Don't want dirty water? Find another source.

Thats longer than two presidential terms in the U.S.
Our representatives are elected every 2 years. Its not going to work in democracy.
Democracy is a failure. Lolbertarianism is retarded.

Because statism hinders progression and evolution. You've seen how slow development was for centuries under monarchies.
Yes, these are the most stable systems ever invented, but you'll be outrun by competitors at some point if you don't end it.
Freedom is necessary for development

The communist revolution is here!

'muh junk food' doesn't make people fat, it's the the ability to purchase essentially infinite calories which wasn't possible in the past for anyone but the elites, who were fat.

>Live somewhere that lets half its population be fat and useless so the countries that force their people to be fit can roll over you
Already living there.

No they can't. Its my property. Them telling me what I can or can't do on my property is a violation of the NAP

Did Italy have this model and did it help them greatly as it did Germany?

You're dumping in someone's private property.

It's not about just calories. Eating Mars Bars and Quavers of the same calorific value as steak and vegetables will not be just as healthy.

Unless you own the entire water cycle, that is not true.

The renaissance and industrial revolution happened under monarchies. The greatest civilization on earth were dictatorships/basically monarchies.
What progress has been achieved since the entire world has become a democracy?
This is idiocy.

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He said it was his property. A computer is somebody else's private property, yet posting porn from yours still affects them.

Yeah, but neither is grape juice.

What are you going to do, ban fruits or just make juicing them illegal?

See:

>Why not just accept fascism
Because I don't need some retard surrogate daddy. We already tried it and it was shit.
>Our representatives are elected every 2 years. Its not going to work in democracy.
Just because you always elect retards doesn't mean that the principle of having elections is retarded.

Nope but I own that part of the river so I can do with it what I want. Like build a damn or throw my trash into.
The point is that just because something doesn't directly affect you on a personal level doesn't mean it isn't destructive to society. Pollution laws are a perfect example of this. Do you want your country to look like HK?

You know the real issue is that welfare doesn't become a problem until massive amounts of immigrants are flooded into countries to take advantage of it.
National Socialism and Fascism have welfare based programs because it's for the care of their own people and the money stays within the country. If not enough people work then the money can't be produced to fund the program.
(((Capitalism))) has a welfare program because who cares? The currency isn't backed by anything of any real value (which (((you))) hold anyway) because (((you))) dictate inflation and deflation as you see fit, again, because the money has no real value. So (((you))) don't have to worry about outsourcing jobs or flooding the country with (((immigrants))) because it just creates more (((debt))) (which (((you))) want) and (((you))) can print off your worthless money until the country is sufficiently niggerified.
(((Communism))) doesn't need a welfare program because if you aren't happy working 20 hours a day, having a turnip at Christmas and grass soup the other 364 days a year you'll get shot and some (((immigrant))) can take your place because you're literally a cog in a machine and nothing more.

Grape juice is hardly the junk food I was talking about. Stop the mass production of crisps and chocolate bars.

If governments are so good at preventing pollution, why does the water supply contain such concentrations of halides and hormones?

>it was shit
It was better than what we have today by miles.

It can be argued that the high growth was correlated directly with the monarchies getting constantly weaker.
They were all very weak by 1800-1848, some monarchies did already collapse during that time, others were obviously well on their way of being made irrelevant.
Monarchies would have ended even without WWI, the processes of liberalisation that chipped away at it started 100 years before that, in some cases even longer before that.

You have to keep in mind that in times of war you redirect all the resources to producing war equipment and also have massive government spending.

In times of peace the system becomes far less efficient because a free market is way better at allocating goods than a centralized government.

Hey OP, post a selfie.

I want to see if you actually live up to your own opinions

>Just because it doesn't work in practice doesn't mean communism isn't the best system
Democracy is shit.
>Because I don't need some retard surrogate daddy
Embrace hierarchy. Embrace nature.
>We already tried it and it was shit.
No it wasn't.

If fasciam was in place there would be no migrants

Look at the scientific advancements that happened under the authoritarian Roman Empire and the Third Reich (the advancement under the Third Reich alone was impressive).

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>drug abuse only affects you
this claim would make sense if testing positive for any drug instantly disqualified you from socialized medical care

drug addicts, hamplanets and sexual degenerates should all lose their universal healthcare privileges and pay out of pocket for treatment.

Then it will only affect them, until then - my taxes pay for their healthcare while they pay no taxes being useless junkie wastes of air and space.

>food
might aswell call this garbage poison

>implying junk food is good for people
Production of healthy food is fine. Our mess of a society today is a result of your "you-do-you" attitude.

I want you to think for a moment. Would you rather drink water from america, or would you prefer to drink the tap water in a third world country that has less regulation over water.
If you don't travel often pro tip, don't drink third world tap water.

You know its true.

Coke contains ~10 g of sugar 100 ml, while grape juice contains ~16g.

Grape sugars are also about half glucose which causes a much greater spike in blood sugar than glucose, and half fructose which possibly causes fatty liver if consumed without sufficient fibre.

Grape juice is much worse than drinking sucrose containing coke.

Bad straw. You are obviously affecting other people so there is a requirement for a social contract.

*causes a much greater spike in blood sugar than sucrose

Sorry, but election in this day and age are a soft form of Communism.
Elections should be highly local (only deciding on local issues that the electorate themselves can evaluate - exception security and military) and participation only allowed to those who chip in with funding.
The way it is now the majority will constantly vote to steal more until we reach something resembling Communism or the economy collapses.
I include here rights like the right to not being fired, because it really is a right to get paid by someone even though he might not want to keep you around and all the other insane protection rights. (like being able to take a day off because of menstruation in Italy)
If I'm making enough money to pay taxes then I should get to vote for how that money will be spent locally in order for me to be able to decide if it's useful to me or not.
Not some bum from Africa who just wants a car and a playstation.

Fuck you for grouping libertarianism in with capitalism. Capitalism is monopolies and pyramid schemes which cause inflation, bubbles and such a polar class division. Fascism is simply incompatible with any contemporary form of society its a narrow sighted fantasy and a militarized cultural socialism likely accompanied by a dictator like that one who failed because he was an idiot. If you want to further the idea of freedom like owning rightfully earned property as well as furthering technological innovation and advancement; libertarianism is the best course for America atm. If you look at the semantics you can also see will help return us to the idea of preserving a strong and dynamic "FAMILY" furthering those who are most cohesive with their natural environments.

GCSE or A Level Biology?
If a company was mass producing that crap, then it should be stopped, either by economic penalty or by a (((shut down))). If my nan is making her own grape juice in her shed for her grandkids, she shouldn't be imprisoned for doing so.