My opinion: Past few years, no one gave a shit until recently. Now every petty 75 year old black person has a psychological meltdown because of a goddamn statue. 2 years ago they had no problem, now they are shitting the bed? You have people wake up in the morning, drink their coffee, drive to work, make their salaries, drive home to their family, go to bed, and a statue is stopping them from doing this? What a bunch of crap.
Why don't they sell them? Someone out there would like to have Jefferson Davis in their front lawn.
Or you could save all of them and put them in a little theme park. Confederland!
Logan Hall
>2 years ago they had no problem, now they are shitting the bed?
Have you not noticed the great national temper tantrum. All the butthurt from the election is being channeled into random causes to "punish" conservatives.
O'Reilly, Ailes, Flynn, Megyn Kelley, confederate statues, Fallon, Chapelle. If you weren't a dick to Trump, you deserve to be punished.
Cameron Rogers
Cuckmerica
Hudson Bailey
This is stemming from the minorities realizing their increasing relevance. The demographic destiny is becoming more and more of a reality as our hold of the country diminishes. They want to erase our history and replace us.
Ryder Ross
But bullshit like this that exalts the greatest act of murder in humanity's history is A-OK!
Isaiah Perry
>Cuckmerica >French Flag
We need to talk...
Asher Reyes
This is like in Planet of the Apes where the ape high council tries to hide evidence of the great and technological civilization that humans made and the apes can never hope to create themselves.
Jordan Clark
We don't destroy our monuments because minorities cries about this. In what country you destroy your past to gratify minorities ??
Liam Sullivan
This is what happens when a kid with a bowl cut kills a couple of black people in a church.
Seriously they shouldn't be taking these statues they should be banning bowl cuts nationwide.
Landon Reed
But you bring in a bunch of mudslimes so their feelings don't get hurt?
Jeremiah Turner
To white pill though, we shouldn't continually idolize them, even if they were great men. Which they were, make no mistake. Running back to the past nostalgia is not the way forward.
We know why they're doing it, the people doing it are despicable and some of the worst scum on the planet. Let us not defend a statue, which is simply metal on concrete, let us defend Whiteness and White people. I would rather one White life be saved and all of these statues torn down than the opposite.
I'd prefer statues to be of winners, great leaders and winners for Whites. For what it is worth, they lost, even with great early success. Very few examples on Earth have ever allowed the losing side to post their iconography and statues everywhere (usually only allowing if the war is irrelevant or long since forgotten). The South should be proud of themselves but looking to make anew. Look for new leaders, not old ones. The old ones are dead, Gods though they were, and should be put to rest.
We should not give the Left this tool to beat us forever with it. I hate most Yankee scum, but defending this endlessly will only end badly. Forging a new path is the only option. Sooner or later with liberalism and demonization of the South (hurr durr cousin fucking hillbillies who watch ebony porn hurr durr), this was going to happen.
Bentley Russell
a lot of people on this board fail to realize what this statue means to people.
Spoiler alert, im hispanic, so say what you want but im just trying to give a straight forward non libtarded view on the whole issue.
I have never once felt in my life like I was ever discriminated upon because im brown. Never by my boss, my wife, my co-workers, anyone. You get the racist joke here and there, but thats not really discrimination.
I dont feel like the system is rigged against me, i dont feel afraid of the police, I dont fear the state.
but people on this board have to realize what these monuments meen to people of color. They symbolize a dark time in american history were people use to own eachother
I understand that people on both sides didnt really understand what they were fighting for, like all wars. But it unsettles minorities like me when people idolize men of past that would have put me in chains and not even consider me human.
just saying
Angel Bailey
Just another part os ((their)) plan to destroy western civilization. You can't have statues of nobel white people. The funding fathers will be next because they were "racist"
Aiden Hernandez
It's not that we idolize the people on the statues, it's that the statues offer a look into people from that point of history. Sure, it isn't a pretty part of history, but it allows us to learn from our mistakes. And taken them down just ends conversations and doesn't add any value. If you constantly censor history, then how will we learn anything from it?
Lucas Moore
If you think like that, then you have to go back. Fuck off back to your domain.
Joshua Morris
>They symbolize a dark time in american history were people use to own eachother >I understand that people on both sides didnt really understand what they were fighting for, like all wars. But it unsettles minorities like me when people idolize men of past that would have put me in chains and not even consider me human. Instead of hating on white people that paid the price for their freedom maybe they should hate on their fellow niggers that sold their ancestors into slavery in the first place
Andrew Allen
Mayor Mitch Landrieu is having a babby with his mistress. Thats why his wife moved out. Media won't report in it. So shhh dont tell anyone Sup Forums.
Adam Adams
>buying into the BLM narrative that the statues are about race
They're about resisting subservience. They're about standing up to excessive federal overreach and fighting for your home. When they distract you with race, you're not focusing on what other powerful people are taking away from you and perverting until nothing you stand for exists anymore besides your whiteness.
You lose the minute you accept symbols of individuality and resistance as mere symbols of race. They're so much more than that.
Evan Cruz
loosers don't deserve recognition
Jaxson Robinson
No different than Isis destroying history.
Levi Gray
Couldn't agree more
Aaron Johnson
I would agree with you if it were not for the fact of how this statue is presented
Its obviously presented in a way to lovingly remember someone, not just mark a point in history. look how proud he is in the statue. By removing it you are not erasing history, you a simply saying that we are not putting these people on a pedestal (quite literally in the case of op's pic)
>WAHH YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, GO AWAY
I dont hate anyone, Im just saying we should not idolize these types of people.
Also last time I checked we are civilized, unlike those backwards niggers in your picture.
Isaac Wood
Yes, a failed symbol of resistance, better keep that up forever as failed reminder.
Nice.
Carson Rodriguez
The statues were constructed at a time when the South was dismantling reconstruction and establishing a racially based caste system. The point of the statues is to say that Whites will forever be the master race.
Gabriel Garcia
Yes that is how immigration works you mongrel. Your population increasing is not in the interest of my population with in my country.
Wyatt Perry
It wouldn't even bother me that much if they said "rather than statues to Jefferson Davis and AP Hill, we will have monuments to the heroes and lives lost in the Civil War". If they were offering to expand the narrative.
But they just want to destroy the narrative entirely. They want to replace all Civil War education and literature with "north good, south bad, slaves freed, America better". They don't want to talk about the four slave states that remained in the Union, they don't want to talk about the immigrant soldiers forced into the Union ranks, they don't want to talk about how dangerous immediate and total abolition would be to the entire society of North and South, they don't want to talk about how failed Reconstruction was.
I have plenty of interesting talks with Civil War enthusiasts who believe the South was completely wrong to enter the war in the first place. None of them want the monuments gone without something to remind people what a central event the war was to American identity.
Liam Nelson
except that the south committed human rights violations on a massive scale and no matter how much you guys do not want to believe it slavery had a big role in the fighting
also this
Xavier Jones
What I find hilarious is how blacks hate the sight of these statues but have no problem with almost every street in Louisiana named after Martin Luther King or some other black supremacist.
Ryan Russell
Yes, slavery was the factor that sent trade imbalances into a full scale civil war.
But it's wrong to say that the southern soldier was fighting for slavery or that many of the union soldiers were fighting against it. Confederate officers and soldiers defending their state when called on were heroes and should be respected.
Brayden Long
This might be the worst post ever.
Nathaniel Barnes
Hey mongrel shut the fuck up about my history. You would be be in a hut without Europeans coming to the Americas.
Henry Barnes
Didn't ISIS do the same thing?
Kevin Nelson
no you guys just let them destroy it
Josiah Powell
The democrats are throwing a temper tantrum because trump won. This is the after effects of their loss. Pretty much proof that democrats have the mentality of children.
Jayden Williams
>This is like in Planet of the Apes where the ape high council tries to hide evidence of the great and technological civilization that humans made and the apes can never hope to create themselves.
Wasn't this movie allegorical for what is happening now, with the shitskins taking over western white lands and destroying those same cultures?
Bentley Parker
Yes, democrats are nothing more than U.S. ISIS
Leo Moore
It doesn't help that after a century of assuring people that the monuments were about history and heritage rather than white supremacy, we have these faggots running around saying "it was actually white supremacy all along".
It gave liberal mayors of liberal cities exactly the excuse they needed to remove the monuments. Shortsighted kikes like this will get the entire South dismantled and shoved into roadside museums by 2020.
Chase King
Monuments are a dedication to a society's values and a reflection of their character. Why shouldn't monuments change as a society changes? Should we leave every monument ever erected untouched?
Jackson Gutierrez
they fought for a government that supported slavery.
just like how german soldiers were not all nazis and super bad, they still fought to defend a system that was inherently evil.
your the one acting like a fucking mongrel, not makeing any arguments, just using buzzwords and saying i should go back and "my history".
what the fuck does my history even meen? were you personally involved in the civil war? I may be brown but your the low iq nigger.
kys
Nolan Mitchell
What would you replace them with? What symbols of duty and heroism would fill the void left by PGT Beauregard and JEB Stuart?
Until we get a new batch of heroes, removing these monuments will just leave a void filled by cowards and merchants.
Landon Murphy
Well I guess the Roman coliseum has to go because "society has change", and all those Greek monuments have to go because changes.
Owen Gutierrez
>Move to America >Start being passive aggressive towards host population for not being welcoming
>Guys you should really change your history and customs because it is offensive to me.
No my ancestors came here and built the country and passed it on through the generations.
Camden Baker
This is what happened to them
Robert Price
i never "moved" to america, what the fuck are you talking about? I was born in Connecticut.
>Guys you should really change your history and customs because it is offensive to me.
can you change history? I was not aware that you could, have us darkies created a time machine yet?
>change customs
noone is asking you to change your customs, just asking you to remove symbols of oppression and hate towards groups of people.
2 more things: A.) my mom is white and I can directly link myself to people who came in on one of the mayflowers. Have you traced your ancestory like I have? do you have a extensively worked out family treat and heat map of were your genes hail from?
b.) if you think having ancestors that "built the country" makes you superior you are literally no better than the niggers who think they deserve free gibs because their great grandaddy was a slave.
I think your lost, they made a board for people like you, its called /bant/
Oliver Watson
>isis smashing statues bad >taliban blowing up statues bad >burger tear down statue good
and all under dromph what a nation of faggots
Grayson Mitchell
>they fought for a government that supported slavery.
The North supported slavery at the beginning of the war, they just didn't want it to expand to the West. Abolitionists were a loud but not universal voice in Northern politics.
It's exactly that binary "the South was bad therefore the North was good" narrative that bothers me. The North did a lot of fucked up shit during the War as well. The implication seems to be that "the North was led by compassionate, forward-thinking progressives", which is appealing to modern American liberals, a lot of the shit those northern abolitionists believed was the same social darwinist shit that wanted all the slaves repatriated to Africa.
I believe that anyone who examines the war will decide that it was ultimately best that the North won, but exerting modern progressive thinking on a completely different context is dishonest and leads to some shitty understanding of how America has changed politically and socially.
There are probably better symbols than dead generals on horses, but I just want people to be aware of what Americans believed 150 years ago, rather than just being complacent in their own worldviews.
Hudson Flores
I went to the demonstration 2 weeks ago and the people defending the monuments were definitely the Klan and Sup Forums.
Bentley Clark
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t. cuckservatives
It is the kikes using the niggers as their pawns to erase white history. It is part of your transformation into a mixed raced kike dystopia like brazil
Benjamin Reyes
I never claimed I believed this "good vs bad" para dime that they shove down your throats in school. to the contrary, im fully aware that the north did its fair share of shitty fucked up things, like all sides do in any conflict.
the thing is that after the war the south took on this defetists attitude and was totally opposed to change of any kind. The "north" turned away from slaverly and the south just rooted itself right in and continued to opress blacks for decades more. If they had just accepted defeat that "good vs bad" shit that is always pushed would not exist.
Jose Nguyen
Yea I totally trust nothing will happen when the Americans are reduced to a minority in their own country. Yea definitely not going to brown wash our history and despise us. There is and always will be a struggle between the races. Those who promote ethnic replacement and multi ethnic countries advocate for suffering and violence. I know you would not understand my perspective because you are not American.
Also how is a statue of a general in a significant civil war from the 1800's offensive to shitskins? Especially mexicans who have no history in this.
Henry Johnson
Confederate statues belong in the trash. They should be grateful Lincoln didn't shoot most of them and let Sherman commit genocide.
Death to traitors.
Henry Robinson
>democrats taking down statues of democrats. Sad
Josiah Green
I don't want to accuse you of anything, I'm just seeing people try to shut the conversation down rather than discuss the period in its own terms.
By the same logic, the entire Southern half of the 13 Colonies was rebelling against Britain because of the emancipation streak they had been on. At the time the Founding Fathers did a better job of spinning the conflict to be about Enlightenment ideals, so that's what we mostly remember today. But if Britain had won, today we would be looking at the Revolutionary war as a war of slaveholders afraid to lose their control.
Parker Murphy
They are monuments dedicated to traitors against and enemies of the united states. I think they belong in a history museum or should be auctioned off as reparations for the MILLIONS of poc still suffering from the legacy of slavery.
Jordan Anderson
>americans reduced to a minority in their own country
its literally impossible you fucking retard
>Yea definitely not going to brown wash our history and despise us. dude i love white people I have no clue what the fuck you are talking about
let me throw this at you, if you dont want us joining your culture and you are not going to be inclusive to us, then what other alternative do minorities have besides creating sub cultures?
if you dont want minorities to create their own subcultures within america than they need to feel included and feel like they can join your ranks, and tearing down statues idolizing people who would have put them in chains and have them fight to the death like dogs is a good start.
really hope you are a troll, or else your just a sad idiot.
Andrew Davis
Get lost beaner. Nobody gives a shit about your fee fees.
Dylan Allen
>implying the idea of America as a single federal entity rather than a series of largely independent states existing in the mid 19th century
They would have been bigger traitors if they agreed to serve in the Union army. Virginia is home, the Federal Government is just an organizing body to administrate taxes.
Adam Johnson
I'll keep my NSDAP flag and my Confederate flag, the kikes and niggers can go to hell. One day in the south the niggers will go to far and the KKK will come back. Now is not the time to show lenience to the niggers and libshits, we are getting closer to having a genuine white movement on par with what the KKK had early in the 20th century. We just have to realize our strength. Resisting libshit statue demolitions will get whites together in the streets, it'll be an opportunity to take this to the next level.
Nathaniel Miller
Try being pragmatic. If it is happening everywhere maybe there is something wrong with the inherent act of massive amounts of different people competing for resources in one sovereign state.
And what are you talking about it not being possible. Americans will be a minority by 2050?
Jackson King
>Death to traitors. USA was founded by traitors
Eli Kelly
Slide thread from tumblr raid SAGE
Logan King
Tear down the pyramids Built on slave labor
Benjamin Perez
>they don't want to talk about how failed Reconstruction was. Blame John Wilkes Booth for that.
Nathan Ross
Nigger.
Landon Lee
your not wrong, and i agree that this situation was handled poorly, and in a way that does shut down genuine conversation
unfortunately todays political climate is one of extremes, and that makes it hard for people to find common ground, or at least realize they agree about a lot of things.
>fee fees you guys are the ones bitching and crying about this shit not me.
>Americans a minority Do you not understand on a fundamental level what america is? you keep throwing around this term americans and then acting like only certain groups of people in america are americans. everyone who is a citizen of america is by definition an american
>If it is happening everywhere maybe there is something wrong with the inherent act of massive amounts of different people competing for resources in one sovereign state.
im gonna go ahead and assume you are talking about the migrant bullshit in europe, and i hope you realize they are not at all comparable.
Juan Rodriguez
They're Anti White, simple as that. You people need to stand up for yourselves or we're gonna lose everything.
Ethan Reyes
>USA was founded by traitors Nope, it was founded by Americans. Confederate fags got BTFO fighting for slavery and America didn't even punish them. Then the Southern savages decide to enact 100 years of racial violence and oppression, setting this country back 100 years in race relation. Now the North was no racial utopia, but compared to the South, they were on the right track.
Anthony Thomas
>just asking you to remove symbols of oppression and hate towards groups of people. Today you remove the history. Tom morrow you can rewrite the books. The ones who choose to ignore History are ALWAYS doomed to repeat it.
The Dems are getting back at the republicans for freeing the slaves. They will never let us live that down.
It is terrible to see the monuments vanish....but it will be even more terrible when new monuments that represent the same thing are installed based on the future wars.
This is a huge mistake. We fought really hard to free you guys.
Thomas Cooper
Found the nigger.
Levi Bennett
...
Thomas Cook
how is this removing history? there are so many books, journals, news articles, and other resources on the topic.
and we live in the age of the internet, were that information is never fucking going away.
you can not just "re-write the books" in the information technology age, it does not work like that.
Landon Robinson
>Can't even form an argument HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA It's so funny watching you retarded Confederate faggots whine as your shit dick monuments are torn down. We'll keep going and there's not a damn thing you can do about faggot ;)
Elijah Thompson
Knowing the slave trade could still exist, but it doesn't because of liberal cucks, feels bad.
Jayden Diaz
Confederate fan bois actually think removing a monument will change history. They're that fucking stupid lmao
Elijah Peterson
Not me, Davis should have never been president he was a soldier and a damn good one Shit at making decisions for the entire military though Also Dixie doesn't take kindly to people destroying monuments to our heros
Alexander James
Yeah we'll build new ones after we butcher you!
Jacob Lewis
>then what other alternative do minorities have besides creating sub cultures? Seeing how "African-americans" (WHICH IS A TOTALLY SHIT TERM BTW) seem to congregate in specific areas.....Hows that working for them?
Chicago Baltimore
The list goes on.
That isn't culture btw....Unless shooting guns at each other and looting every time there is a natural disaster. I hate niggers. Ill be 100%. I have no trouble with integrated blacks at all. One calling themselves an "African American" is insulting to me. In my day, I associate with a few blacks. They aren't niggers. I don't associate with white trash either though. They are pill popping addicts.
So am I a racist? Sure. I hate everyone equally until they prove to me that they are worth a fuck.
You aren't from africa. You are an american...
True story: My sister in law's roommate in collge was a white from south africa about 18 years ago. She checked "The Box". Halfway through her first term at school they realized that they gave this white lady preferential treatment. IF her parents were not some sort of government employee, they would have run her out.
But she was born in africa. She has dual citizenship. NOT AFRICAN AMERICAN.
Gavin Richardson
What do you mean? Your little girls are slaves to the big Muslim cock
Adam Phillips
You can tell people they don't need to look it up because the conclusions are so clear. Tell people the South had no reason to fight besides hate and fear and that the North just wanted to free the poor slaves all along.
We're rapidly approaching the stage where the Civil War is ancient history to most people. And its clear that the media wants the simple understanding to be that the Federal Government just wanted what was best for everyone, that authority equals tolerance and open-mindedness.
The Civil War created modern America. It needs to be present in Americans' minds. Replace the monuments with nonpartisan Civil War monuments. Erect monuments to the Slave institution, like they did on the Virginia capitol building. But don't tear them down just because history makes some people uncomfortable.
Gabriel Williams
Why does America have monuments to traitors who lost a war, anyway?
Connor Hernandez
>O'Reilly Deserved it and you're a fucking noecon boomer piece of shit if you think otherwise >Ailes Again, deserved it >Flynn He fun goofed, as tight as he was he still messed up and it's better it was him than someone else >Megyn Kelley A liberal whore who deserved what she got even more than Bill >confederateallon You're actually right on this one >Chapelle He's a nigger and always has been
Anthony Rodriguez
>And its clear that the media wants the simple understanding to be that the Federal Government just wanted what was best for everyone, that authority equals tolerance and open-mindedness. The statue of Liberty Is muslim.
David Sanchez
Don't forget Louis Armstong! Fuck.
Cooper Thomas
>calling people that don't like Richard Spencer kike shills >Richard Spencer is the biggest kike shill outside of Tel Aviv
You retards need to get your narrative straight on how hating a Zionist makes you a kike.
Dominic Peterson
No you just let them literally March all over the graves of the fallen from The Great War, people who died for you piece of shit government and the Jews and got nothing out of it
Colton Jenkins
>Seeing how "African-americans" (WHICH IS A TOTALLY SHIT TERM BTW) seem to congregate in specific areas.....Hows that working for them?
did i ever claim it was a good thing? these groups are totally dysfunctional.
you guys need to stop projecting all this shit onto me, your just putting words into my mouth to make a point, its pathetic.
>You can tell people they don't need to look it up because the conclusions are so clear.
ya im sure noone is ever gonna google anything.
we are a perfect example of people not just accepting what they are told
Aaron Garcia
>Why does America have monuments to traitors who lost a war, anyway? It is called historical. Various places have many monuments.
In addition, my Great Great grandfather's name is listed on the Pennsylvania monument. He apparently was an officer.
My other great great grandfather was mulatto.
Fuck me Im part nigger slave and part republican.
Isaac Green
They have a right to self govern their city, and the statues will be preserved. Them's the breaks. If you think the state or feds should step in, against the will of the people, you are a faggot.
Joseph Wright
>Running back to the past nostalgia is not the way forward Except that's wrong Going back to Dixie traditions and laws wouldake us great in so many ways it's ridiculous. It would be the equivalent of Norway and Finland harkening back to their Viking days
Colton Cruz
Stealing this to spam on kikebook
Isaiah Harris
Goys, why do you care about your history? Just like France... America has no culture.
Mason Phillips
>They symbolize a dark time in american history were people use to own eachother We literally tried to send them back to Africa and then the republicunts and Lincoln decided what we were doing was racist Ffs we purchased an entire country for them
Jeremiah Ward
Don'T take it personal. If you do, you already lost.
Id love to have your perspective. You seem like a fairly based guy.
What can we do to fix these shit holes? What can we do to help these people integrate into society. Saying that the south repressed niggers is only repeating what the history books tell you. Look at all the places north of the mason dixon....
Why is New York still one of the most segregated school systems in the USA?
These things are being targeted as retribution for the government being filled with republican winners.
All the left can do now is Reeeeeeeeeeeee and tear down history.
Hell, if we don't remember the civil war can we have another? Id love to kill me some commies.
Samuel Stewart
This is how completely stupid this whole thing is:
1. The dismantled Confederate monuments are currently being "stored" out in the open, in the equivalent of a junk yard.
2. Somebody sprayed "Tear it Down" on a Joan of Arc monument. Yes, Joan of Arc. You read that right.
3. They're talking about taking down the Jackson Square monument. Even though Jackson defended them against BRITISH invasion...
New Orleans is a cesspool of ignorant trash. Only another flood can save it.
Ryder Allen
Bro, if you're ever discussing this IRL, I just hope you advocate for slave memorials and plaques on all state and federal buildings that used slave labor in their construction. That would create context and counterbalance the statues to people who represent a part of history people find objectionable. But destroying heroes isn't social justice.
Joshua Williams
>human rights violations Africans aren't humans first of all, second we did fuckall wrong and nothing different from the rest of the world yet we are the ones who have to keep paying for it 150 years after the Yankees burned our lands, murdered our youth, raped our women, and destroyed entire cities. We paid a bigger price than niggers ever did and if anything THEY should be giving us reperations for what they fucking caused us
Austin Jackson
No I am talking about both, and they are both equally detrimental to the host population.
And I do understand at a fundamental level what an American is. You seem to not. The founding fathers founded this country explicitly for European people. The law and practice kept this country 90% European until 1960 when we let in shitskins like you.
Connor Johnson
Exactly. Its all just history.
Ryder Ross
>What can we do to help these people integrate into society
make them feel included. These people have a lot of footwork to do too, they willingly create these sub cultures, I see it happen all the time in Hartford CT and Springfield mass. Theere is a large portion who would rather just speak spanish all day besides learn english, which is a problem.
But if they don't feel included in the first place they will not even attempt to conform, so tearing down a monument that to them, symbolizes hate and opression and a system that once worked against them is a step in the right direction.
race is weird in a america, and people just need to have an honest conversation about why we are having the problems we are having, without it devolving into "MUH SOUTHERN PRIDE" or "DIE WHITEY!!!!"
case in point on this post , there is still a good portion of americans that think this, i sometimes even think this since i work in the school system. how can you(ESC88Q4P) expect change and integration when so many people still think like this?