Have the Greeks been Germanized?

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They just had a riot again yesterday because they had to agree to another Troika austerity strike on them.

The thing is: They won't see a cent out of their surplus. It will all be used to pay denbts.

KRAUT'D

I don't get it, the Greek government made a profit, so instead of having to pay back the Germans they are getting more money instead?

Thanks to the budget surplus they can make debt to pay back older debt

And here we see the system that the globalists want. Keep us all in debt forever, never able to approach their cherished thrones.

Honestly it's in part Greece's fault for not being fiscally responsible. Without the bailout funds they would have been basically forced to declare bankrupt and become Argentina-tier

Greece is dumb as fuck

They combat their crisis by making it harder and harder for people to earn money and turn in a socialist state that steals from their citizens to pay back debt lol

And you're even dumber for allowing them to spend your credit card..

You don't deserve any money back imho as a warning to you for future reference.

>instead of having to pay back the Germans they are getting more money instead?
No, they have less debt now to roll over. The alternative was letting them default, i.e. not giving them a guarantee to roll their debt over.
But it's just not enough. They are fucking broke while being squeezed to death already. Let them go already and let's make up some transition gibs for them. After all it's still Europe.

LET IT BE THEN

This.

Greeks are being absolutely squeezed.

But they had it coming. I hope they recover fast

pay 100 Billion Brexit DEBT!

Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen.

No. They only made a profit because they sold everything that wasn't nailed down.

didn't they have some of the highest working hours in europe according to some study a few years ago? maybe if they could get rid of their corrupt leaders and actually bring themselves to pay taxes their country wouldn't be in such a state.

On another note:

The German cuckoldry towards the EU was always been shaped in words like "We don't want a German Europe but a European Germany".
Not sure how much of that is left. Even our dumbest fuckwits of politicians (apart from the far-left ones) want to impress a German understanding of the world on Europe. And I'm not only talking of the moral imperialism that Orban complained about.
It's really everywhere, from monetary politics to labour organizations and environmental stuff to even simple things that were formerly a part of local culture and way of life.

And I really don't really see how Germany is now European - except for half of Europe migrating here because it's the last place where you can get a job and make money.

there's no budget surplus, it's all lies
the government is holding onto the reserve cash of contractors and pensioners. They haven't been paid for several months.

*some pensioners

I hoped they would collapse desu, because it seems like the only way they could learn.
Hard to believe that one of the greatest civilisations in the world got this tainted by dumb turk genes.

Wouldn't that be better at this point?

It would be an interesting question for sure. Ask the Greeks if they want to have their culture changed in ways that make them more similar to the German one but also more economically successful.

Or if they'd rather reject Germany's help and suffer through hardship for a while but retain their own cultural identity.

Both sides have pros and cons, but no one would ever dare to word the question so clearly. Instead they'll continue with half assed shit and going behind the back of the population.

No, because then who would (((they))) launder money through?

Last I read their new data looks rather fishy. Like it's 1980 all over again.

>but also more economically successful.
Yah, no so sure about that buddy. Just look at their gdp growth rate.
Besides, cultural suicide sound infinitely worse than a bit of hardship.

Germany, as in the country, has basically nothing. Weather changes so strongly between seasons that we go from people freezing to death in winter to people dying from heat shocks in summer, it has scarcely any natural resources (at least none that matter today) and there isn't much food provided by the environment, you need to grow and raise it yourself.
Yet Germany is an economic super power due to its culture (which borders on turning people into robots at time).

I am pretty sure that if you slapped German culture onto Greece, it would economically recover.

I do agree with you though, cultural suicide is worth than a period of poverty. Would still be interesting to see how the majority thinks about it though.

>cultural suicide is worth than a period of poverty
*worse obviously

the majority of people dont want change, they just vote for whoever promises the most gibs, like they did back in the 80s
it is why everyone with half a brain leaves the country eventually

I have a friend who studies in Greece and told me that shops only work at certain days of the week and at only a few hours. Is this true?

(I am not the one you quoted)

Yes, it is true. Greece has traditionally been full of small/family businesses, and these businesses could not have had their stores open 24/7. So they made it illegal for everyone, to keep competition down. Nowadays there are many exceptions to the above rule.

>these businesses could not have had their stores open 24/7
...Why?
There's loads of family owned stores here and they all open every day of the work week and mostly Saturday.

OK, "could" was too strong a word. They wanted EZlife (ie, "Just let everyone know that stores are open specific hours, and customers will adapt around that schedule").

Although I don't agree with it (I am in favour of competition), this made some sense back when Greece was more or less isolated with a small internal market. It did not make sense any more when we enter the EU, but voters demanded it so that small businesses leveled the ground a bit with the incoming corporation onslaught.

Nowadays the situation is better, although there are still some problems.

> I am pretty sure that if you slapped German culture onto Greece, it would economically recover.
You can't just slap a culture on to something and expect a huge amount to change or for the old culture to go away, there are so many (actual) memes, ideas, etc. entangled up, do you know how complex culture is and how hard it is to get it to change?

They sure as fuck managed to kill of large parts of the Prussian mindset, so it definitely doesn't seem impossible.

It's literally logistically impossible for them to truly pay back their debt in normal terms though. They would either have to
a. Slash taxes and bring about a huge number of incentives to massively spur foreign investment and domestic innovation and increases in productivity through things like becoming an IT center, software hub, etc.
This option means they won't get the necessary taxes to pay things off
b. Continue with normal growth and raise taxes drastically
This means they'll choke their economic growth and even with good enough marginal tax returns won't be able to get enough total returns to pay off their debt. That's also coupled with Greece's large problem of tax evasion.

I'm sure the submarines were worth it, though?

Yeah who would have thought that killing shit tons of people is one way to change things, especially most of the people with a particular mindset. Note that I said hard, like a war would be, not impossible.

>You can't just slap a culture on to something and expect a huge amount to change or for the old culture to go away,

Of course you can do that. Germans can make Greeks into Germans. Greeks just need to adopt our flag and learn German and accept our overlordship and governance - and eh voila, in a few years, they are perfect, hard working, wealthy, export crazy Germans.

I am not even kidding, this is 100% possible.

The submarines are to protect them from the cancer that lies in Anatolia. They probably jerk off every day about dreaming about those Greek island and to their gay wrestling.

Can someone bomb us please? It has gotten boring losing more and more money every year with no end in sight.
Just kill us please or make us wage a war or something.

The 2nd has been happening since 2010.
They take measures that massively increase taxes and then they increase them even more when said measures backfire because businesses start going out of business.
It's stifling the market and there's no end in sight.

Say youre not paying any debt, say fick you to getmany and leave EU

Wish it was my decision or even my countrymen's but it's obvious the government gives 0 fucks about public opinion.
I mean even during the referendum that happened a few years back Greeks voted No to more austerity measures and the government was like "nah fuck that shit mane".

>Say youre not paying any debt, say fick you to getmany and leave EU
That is what we told them years ago. They fucking refused.

And then be Venezuela-tier for 10 years?
Especially now that Erdoroach is going crazy and we know for a fact we can't rely on you or any other NATO ally?
Cyprus found oil. We also found oil. Recovery will come in time.

we dont need more taxes, we spend way more than we should but no party is willing to reduce our gov.spending by a significant amount

Their government was too addicted to easy money and gibs. Makes sense desu familia.
That's almost certainly not going to happen, Varoufakis basically talked about how it would make Greece South America-esque.

People don't even care nowadays.

Yesterday the parliament voted on massive cuts and the people were watching Survivor, instead of protesting

The "german" mindset of today is mostly just the Prussian mindset minus the war mentality. Of course it's a change, but you make it seem like some other part of Germany pushed their culture on Prussia, even though it was mostly the other way around.
For me it seems like even though most of Prussian (and German) culture in general has been lost or forgotten in recent years that's not because they got taken over, but because of several "influences".

9:00-14:00 mo/we/sa
9:00-14:00 + 17:00-21:00 rest of the week and sunday off is like the standard hours for whole country but most open at 8:00
i worked 9:00 to 21:00 at a small store, it's basically where you live at, on tourist areas they work like 18 hours day, even the small businesses

Fuck off niggers we'll never pay
annex germanistan when

They voted "No" to the measures that were proposed at the time.Then Tsipras went to EU and said "Here,we deny these measures cause the people don't want", they replied with "Ok,either get out then or get these new harsher measures" and Tsipras agreed, so he technically kept his end of the bargain, denied the first measures.He's just so smart!

>annex germanistan
Shouldn't you first worry about not being annex by us?
Not like I'm pro EU or anything, but I don't think pride when there's nothing to be proud of is something you should display.

>245 billion went to Greece

Hahaha, wtf did they buy?

I've been hearing about those oil reserves we have since i was born, still nothing.Worst thing is that people probably overestimate them.

Anyone with basic knowledge of modern Greek history knows this is our fault

Going to say this before Sup Forums-tards start spewing ignorant bs

Also this for anyone who believes Greece has a "surplus" It's an artificial budget surplus

>germany
>anything to be proud of

kek

No, they're legit.
People have been speaking about them since the 80s. Then all the data was 'lost' in the 90s and up untill 2010 everyone said that oil in Greece is a conspiracy theory.
Then Cyprus found a huge amount and the same vein runs inside our own seas.
Early studies suggest there's decent amounts in the Ionian as well, and very large amounts south of Crete.
We're talking about reputable professors here, not conspiracy theorist nutjobs.
We do have oil and we're gonna need it because who the fuck is gonna support all these pensions for the next 20 years when already 400k young people have left.

>Hahaha, wtf did they buy?
A shitton of F-16s. No joke. I think they have like 150 of them. The problem is that Greeks are so stupid, they let their F-16s stand outside on the parking lot so that unemployed Greek youngsters can spray them full of graffiti.

Financial crisis.

All going according to plan
we will nuke you desu
we'll buy the nukes with your gibs

They don't have the capital to work with.

Don't forget the LEO2A6 tanks we bought from you.
You also wanted to sell us EF Typhoons and G36 rifles but the whole financial crisis thing happened.
And let's not forget the subs that you delivered faulty initially.
You weren't so smug about our spending when we were still buying weapons from you.

>missing the point completely
I didn't express my opinion on the current state of Germany at all, however it's a fact that at this point in time, Merkel is the de facto ruler over the EU and Germany is in the process of germanifying Greece.
You're not at all in a position where you could even try to annex us, whereas there's a real possibility of it happening to you under the guise of us helping you with "economic restructuring".
Which is why I told you to keep your delusions and pride in check. Being unaware of your own position is what probably got you into this mess in the first place.
Germany is in a bad position, but that doesn't mean that you could in any way capitalize on that or that you're in any better of a position.

>We do have oil and we're gonna need it
Well,that's good i guess.I just think that,even if we do end up paying our denbts (somehow), we'll still end up in a shitty position later since the biggest problems is our mentality (and politicians huehue).

tl;dr stay mad krauty

Just because you have oil doesn't mean you can make an appreciable amount of money off of it. There are so many factors that go into it.
> Extractability, how you can do it, how much it costs
> Market saturation, if there's already a lot on the market you might barely make any money from it or none at all
> Quantity, if you don't have a good amount it won't do much because you'll be priced out by bulk producers like the Saudis
But the biggest is oil quality, if you don't have high-quality, sweet crude oil and instead sour with a lot of sulfur in it and you don't already have the refining plants built up from already being a producer than you'll have to export your oil for refinement and won't make nearly as much money as you would have from it. That was in large part Venezuela's biggest problem with their oil.

Probably getting tired of doing the same protest every couple of weeks

Epic comeback. You truly showed the intellectual might of the Greek spirit.

Lol we're never gonna manage to repay before the EU collapses
oil will be useful when we join UBF tho

Nur noch ein bisschen Bruder. Dann gehört Europa uns.

>wasn't even a comeback
>kraut is mad

seems good

Its called the Domination victory, retard

Yeah but how much of the time they spend "working" is actually working? That's one of the major problems of hours worked in terms of trying to quantify productivity, ask any German you come across what work is like even if they have low working hours, when they work they do fucking work and get things done. It's probably way different across different countries, but there's probably a lot of non-work going on in many Southern and other European countries.

>mfw literally this
>mfw Germany is the only country in the world that actually tries to reduce its debt
>mfw bankers around the world all cry about germany not increasing its debt in times of low interest rates

The fact of the matter is that Greeks just need to work harder. They're not very hard working people. And they're certainly not as hardworking as the Germans. Arbeit macht frei

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brb making my sandwiches on the way to athens to germanise the greasypussies

>"Uns"
Ja sicher, als ob wir irgendwas davon hätten außer mehr Nafris.
You completely misunderstood my position, my simple friend.
I'm anti-EU and anti paying denbts, therefore I am not mad at all.

I'm not sure about quality and such, but from what I understand the matter was not looked into in the 80s because it would cost too much to mine it back then.
But now, with Europe so reliant on Russian oil and natgas, it's not only a financial but also a strategic matter.
Even if the preliminary studies turn to be a bust, all the LNGs and pipelines that will bring Israeli and Cypriot (both have started mining) oil and natgas into Europe will go through us, elevating our position.

>burger

checks out

you actually expected me to read what you wrote kek

Honestly this, protests should mean something (theoretically) but people here have become desensitized to them.Basically protests in Greece usually end up being "Just another Tuesday" or an excuse for public sector workers to get a 3-day weekend.

March on the capital with the protests and take it over

Let me guess: You were just pretending to be retarded.

meh if we don't completely shut down big areas nothing will happen

do you think a coup is likely? i doubt it desu

No, still tl;dr
stay mad

Can't we just abate some of the debt

pay reparations Hanz

If it's even possible for you to not understand sentences this short with a single glance (which you must have made since you replied) I truly fear that there's no future for Greece.
I am, by the way completely aware of the fact that you're just trying to "troll" me and others. I'm mainly posting this for other people who have similar tendencies, to show them how much of an idiot they may make of themselves by acting like this, even more so when representing their country.
I also believe that it is you who is mad.

>Can't we just abate some of the debt
What does "abate" mean? This word and the word "forgive" is not in my vocabulary.

Also, a bit of hard work never hurt a soul.

Now you know why (((they))) want to destroy us

>being this mad

wew lad

oy vey delet this goyim

Such a display of anger and probably despair doesn't make me mad at all. It just makes me sad, especially since we're on the same side politically.

reddit pls go

Dont forget the subs and 400 of these bad boys

Anything else you want to tell me? I'm there for you.

i didn't know your country was muslim

Pretty much this.

They're going with B and they're killing all business because nobody wants to lower government spending.

I don't think I quite understand this.
Why spend gibs on weapons instead of infrastructure? And if buying weapons was part of the deal, what good does it do you?
It's not like 400 tanks will help you economically.

then Sweden and UK should have been first