There are people with high iqs but who have not studied much of anything and are largely ignorant of many important things, physics, economics, philosophy, politics, biology etc.
Then there are also people who have modest iqs but have deliberately studied these fields, have a broad knowledge and have leveraged thousands of years of past knowledge.
Which of these is the ubermensche...? The over man...
Lets assume both are middle aged, and the high iq is still unworldly, and unsophisticated.
Then a further question, is which is it better to be, at middle age.
*these are hypothetical options and not meant to be representative of any particular population.
Tl;dr: Is it better to be: High iq(2std dv): low education, low knowledge. Moderate iq: high education, high knowledge.
Which is the ubermensche?
Carson Carter
People who put time into studying/their work are the Ubermensch. >t. Thomas Edison
Jason Lopez
How do you do well on the tests with low education and knowledge? You simply don't
Bentley Phillips
((((((((IQ))))))))))
lol
Mason Johnson
But your iq is mostly genetic... The test doesnt change it. Just tries to measure it.
If youre born 190, you're 190 even if you are illiterate
Cameron Jenkins
None of them would be ubermensch.
Landon Thomas
This is the point of the post you are replying to.
There is a genetic IQ which is the 'capacity' to learn. But we cannot measure genetic IQ. The only IQ we can measure is the 'normal' IQ which is done by sampling your domain knowledge and extrapolating the conclusion.
SO maybe you are born with 190 IQ, but how would you or anyone else ever know?
My answer is of course, average IQ with better domain knowledge. Similarly, I'd rather have a tiny dick and lots of sex instead of a huge dick and no sex.
Thomas Powell
a normal test with questions based on lexicon and grammar, word recognition, etc covered about 30% of questions. They wouldn't get far at all! IQ is not some magic number it is a generalised statistic based on very shaky footing. A *good* test for intelligence is the stroop test.
Chase Walker
>But we cannot measure genetic IQ. The only IQ we can measure is the 'normal' IQ which is done by sampling your domain knowledge and extrapolating the conclusion. That is false. Modern IQ tests are culture-independent.
You don't even have to be literate to take modern IQ tests.
Isaiah Anderson
DONT WORRY SPAIN JUST PAY YOUR DENBTS AND STOP BEING NIGGER
Joseph Green
I have had a fair share of mental health problems growing up. Frontal lobes not activating correctly, amygdala that behaves abnormally etc, but have a clinically tested IQ-score that is about three standard deviations above average.
I'm currently struggling to get through college, and will probably fail, because I'm half retarded.
High IQ is a jewish lie, work ethic is what matters.
Ian Rivera
IQ test is bullshit, I tried many times but gave up because that idiot test made me angry. btw I have masters in mechanical engineering
Austin Robinson
>High IQ is a jewish lie, work ethic is what matters.
160 iq here. Can confirm I am a failure
Jordan Turner
That just means they give anyone degrees these days.
The whole push to get commoners through school is so you have a huge body of ignorant morons who think they are too smart to be tricked by the elite, and then proceed to get tricked by the elite.
Eli Green
yeah there are universties like the here, because the libtards want everyone have a degree, but not all of the schools are shit. Mostly the human studies are shit and just gave you a useless paper and then go to the mcdonalds. With my degree I can easily get a well payed job.
Nicholas Jenkins
>what is brain damage
Ayden Reed
High IQ> Knowledgeable Knowledgeable only gives you an advantage working as a teacher. (Working in the sciences would require a high IQ as well)
High IQ has an advantage over you when learning any other profession, will usually perform better in any business cause he'll adapt faster and better to any situations
Ethan Sanders
IQ is a meme. >DUH I RECOGNIZE PATTERN FASTER THAN U I AM LE OBJECTIVELY SMARTER EMPIRICALLY PROVEN BY LE SCIENCE.
Oliver James
That's something someone with a low IQ, that thinks he has a high IQ, would say.
Jaxson Carter
lots of scientific geniuses had a moderate amount if iq so far (110-140) , high iq being 140+ it usually becomes a handicap if the person with the high iq is not directed in a suitable lifestyle. So much intelligence can be a bad thing in a highly systematic world. In this case the ubermensch would ben the above average
Xavier Diaz
I smell a low IQ shitskin.
Brandon Wright
>High IQ is a jewish lie, work ethic is what matters. confirmed also. I score decently on IQ tests but I'm basically human trash. I'd shave 20 points off my IQ for a better work ethic and more confidence/happiness.
Evan Sullivan
Literally true leaf. pattern recognition is the only thing humans have on computers. You know 'things'? Wikipedia knows more, i guarantee it.
My IQ is what lets me take the various things i know, and infer new knowledge out of it.
This, by the way, is how IQ helps with test taking. Asked a question? A brainlet will either know it or not, if you are truly smart though you will reverse engineer the answer based on word roots, and spacial visualization.
Some of the smartest people in history would have done miserably in the modern world. People like archimedes would probably have dropped out and started a youtube minecraft channel or something where he spends all his time trying to make spheres out of cubes.
Matthew Sullivan
Bullshit. High IQ means very little in a real world. World is not a series of Ravens progressive matrices. elon Musk is both knowledgeable and highly intelligent, he is working almost always. So "high IQ" meme is used by lazy and average people who "got accepted" into Mensa. Wow, huge achievement!
Brayden Gonzalez
Have you considered that the reason you arent competing is that your IQ has identified the system as a scam and you have too much integrity to sell out to it?
Ethan Long
This
hard work/social skills > high IQ any day
Logan Kelly
>pattern recognition is the only thing humans have on computers Not anymore. Computers can now find infinitely more complex patterns faster than a human can find a simple one. High IQ cucked again.
Dominic Gomez
>The real world Is not society
Jeremiah Howard
Above average iq, high education, high knowledge is best combination
Gavin Harris
This post is pseud af exactly what I would expect from an iq plebian. Guess I shouldn't learn anything because a library knows more than me t. bronze age pretentious pseud. I would really like you recognize patterns faster than a computer who stores everything as binary 0s and 1s.
Ethan Clark
140 iq here ama
Tyler Baker
I dont believe you, because pattern recognition is what lets you tie seemingly unrelated things together. If computers were better at that, or even slightly good at it, we could just connect them up to the internet and they could solve all our problems for us by examing all the knowledge and data we have.
Im sure your statement probably has something to do with patterns based only in math or something else specific and easily quantified but requiring large amounts of processing to brute force check.
The human kind of deep pattern recognition is when you are reading about how a new drug interacts with the body and it leads you to an epiphany about how to install your refrigerator more efficiently.
Everything in the universe operates under the same rules, the higher your IQ the more you just feel it.
Brody Morgan
Yes, there are highly intelligent people who are autistic or savants etc... However the is a fucking Bill Gates i.e. master of the universe. Billionaire, has wife, has children. Yes he might be a nerd but it's very well adapted.
My point: IQ = number Real life = real life achievements
If you are extremely intelligent, you should be able to realize how the world works and adapt to your advantage.
Joshua Martinez
I have an IQ of 141 and i tell you this is hell. I'm bored at everything, think too much about things that doesn't matter and worst of all i have very low social and conversation skills, making my life a depressing nightmare.
Nicholas Ramirez
reminder: if your iq is below hundred you have an iq equavielent to a negro
Lucas Rogers
>If you are extremely intelligent, you should be able to realize how the world works and adapt to your advantage. Even a high IQ person can be, and often is, crippled by low EQ or depression. EQ > IQ
William Walker
>normie as fuck
Jack Powell
I've never done an IQ test, but I think it would be quite low. But I'm doing farely well in life.
Luis Myers
>you should be able to realize how the world works and adapt to your advantage. But the world is evil, germany. Death to the world.
Jaxson Nguyen
What does IQ have to do with studies? IQ is only a problemsolving test and nothing more. You can study all you want,it wont advance much your problemsolving capability. You try to compare cickens with eagles.
Julian Adams
It depends on what OP is referring to as low education. Once a 190IQ person is taught the basics and they have threshold reading and writing comprehension skills, they can and do, pretty much teach themselves. Indeed formal primary and secondary educational institutions hold them back until they are exposed to the highest ends of higher education.
There was a kid in my primary school who was basically off the charts IQ, started school able to read at an adult level and do any high school maths question, could play multiple musical instruments. Being a really small town in a rural district, he was never accelerated but since his parent were both Phd's it didn't really matter. Know what he did after highschool? Fitter and Turner. Still lives near that little town in the scrub doing fuck knows what, but by all reports happy in his life.
Parker Anderson
Have about the same. Feel about the same.
the star of my jrotc program back in high school, meanwhile, was 6'3", fit, outgoing, blonde, incredibly good looking, popular and had an IQ of 160. he apparently also had an 8" dick
his existence was appalling to me. it defied my sense of aesthetics, of balance
Joshua Murphy
so you were jelly
Parker Nelson
>High IQ means very little in a real world. I wonder what the IQ of Elon Musk or Bill Gates is mmm?
Nolan Brooks
Ive read somewhere elon is around 160 and gates is 140-150
Justin Powell
High iq means something very specific and easily understood even by brainlets. It means you are good at iq tests
Carson Cooper
iq doesn't consider your memory storage/collection ability. The 2nd group is probably really good at it. Your question is really good. I would say the 2nd group is more powerful but the 1st group with learned tools can outclass it this day and age. Ok I'll accept group is important.