Explain to me why replacing welfare with UBI is a bad idea

explain to me why replacing welfare with UBI is a bad idea.

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marketwatch.com/story/us-is-home-to-40-of-global-shadow-banking-assets-2015-11-13
weforum.org/agenda/2017/01/why-we-should-all-have-a-basic-income/
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it costs more money

not much.
It will cost less than 10% of USA GDP.

>not much.
not much more of something were already short of

I think it's actually a good idea. Everyone under a certain income bracket gets NEETbux, but if they squander it they get to starve and be homeless.

UBI = Welfare.

Replace welfare with welfare. ???

you can lose your welfare if you find a job, while you don't lose your UBI if you get a new job.

Our military budget will forever and always (until it is slashed) be the only thing worth mentioning as a waste of money. Shave the 10% from that and we all as citizens have an improved life.

I think this is a good idea. They either buy health insurance or buy burgers

was discussed many times and comes down to
>welfare rebrand
>sell yourself cheap
>(((communist))) dream
>begging for your own enslavement

Why would I find a new job if I can support myself playing video games and doing nothing

Explain to me why replacing niggers with nigger corpses is a bad idea.

because a job is also something meaninfull for most people.

there's a reason why neets are always depressed.

Most of welfare only goes to women and niggers now. UBI would mean white men would actually get welfare for the first time too.

It literally only benefits niggers who leech of society.

niggers still get paid

Its a reatraded concept with a very short viewspan because everything will get more expensive, eventually cancelling out EBI and now we have a gigantic Inflation and everything is back the way it was before, except noone will want to do business with the US anymore so the economy crashes.

>sitting around playing video games all day

That's enjoyable for about 4-6 weeks then it gets painfully depressing.

>inflation
>when there's a big deflation in the economy
>manufactooring cost are going down
So, are computers more expensive now than years back?

Wrong. It keeps the poor poor and revitalizes the middle class because they take their government check but also take their job income.

Because it will be a never-ending cycle, like the minimum wage. UBI will be the new zero.

how is this any different from what we do now?

if you have a real job you lose your welfare.
this doesn't happen with UBI,

Because why would you want to keep niggers alive?
And also have you ever heard of bread and circus?

Have you ever tried to apply for financial help as a single male? Shits hard as fuck. Even applying for unemployment was a huge pain and took six weeks.

Nah it doesn't get painfully depressing. I have done it for a whole year and my only gripe is the lack of social interaction but that's because I live in a tiny village.

It costs more and incentivizes selfish and criminal behavior.

Then I'll go on vacation and party

If I get a job it won't be anything stressful like a doctor or a police officer. I'm sure there won't be people jumping at the chance to clean sewers or anything else that's shitty or stressful (but still needed).

>Nigger burns through UBI on sneakers and blunts
>Nigger can't afford food and rent
>"We can't let people starve if unforeseen consequences cause them to lose their monthly UBI"
>Safety nets below UBI are implemented
>Now we have welfare and UBI

Evidently no one here understand the concept of UBI on any meaningful level. It's only viable when you have staggering levels of automation, wherein the possession of goods no longer becomes a zero sum game.

You have to meet certain criteria with welfare, whereas you just have to be lower-middle class or poorer to get UBI.

except crime goes down when UBI is implemented, seek the nigeria test where crime was down in half.

shit employeers will have to improve their wage conditions to compete with UBI.

>what is the fourth industrial revolution

Removing the bullshit income tax would be beneficial to anyone who works for a living. No need to go on welfare while already working then

>seek the nigeria test where crime was down in half.

Can you post a link?

Doctors are already paid extremely well, and there are many people who would never privatize police officers or city maintenance which is absolutely required to have competitive wages to entice people for those jobs.

assuming you give each person a UBI equal to that of the poverty line ($12k yearly) where will we come up with the necessary $3.84 trillion to pay for this for fall 320 million people?

This would cost about 20% of America's entire GDP (read:GDP, not taxes, GDP)

no financial help other than student loans. would UBI then do away with unemployment insurance? it seems like it should.

so UBI is not actually universal income at all? its just given to poor people like our current welfare is?

Yeah just temove income tax equal to the amount you would get from ubi. What would be the point of giving a ubi and then taxing that and your occupational income?

It would drive me crazy. Here in the U.S., if you don't have money then you aren't going to have those social interactions. Can't even meet women and get laid. Just have to settle for porn.I'll pass

forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/01/07/not-unconditional-nor-universal-nigerias-n5000-basic-income/#1297c6772b60

real american GPD is 40 trillions.

Agreed, however we are starting to get to the point of pure automation where most if not all transportation jobs will be gone in the next 10-20 years once self driving cars hit.

No job will be safe from automation though it will take a while to get to that point

>real american GPD is 40 trillions.
Heres my source. wheres yours?

Welfare is bad. Super welfare is super bad.

>forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/01/07/not-unconditional-nor-universal-nigerias-n5000-basic-income/#1297c6772b60

Thank you.

marketwatch.com/story/us-is-home-to-40-of-global-shadow-banking-assets-2015-11-13

weforum.org/agenda/2017/01/why-we-should-all-have-a-basic-income/

this article explains it better.

The price of food and housing will balloon in the same way and for the same reason that college tuition has.

It formalizes class barriers and inhibits mobility. Further we just don't need welfare.

Thanks.

I couldn't find any reference to crime decreasing in Nigeria. Did I just miss it?

What is the point of Welfare in the first place, if you refuse to work you should not expect society's help

>o the amount you would get from
please see

are you going to respond to my question:
or are you going to just keep posting made up numbers and irrelevant news articles?

some is trying to seriously discuss this to you and your just being plebeian and evading answering any questions

can't remember where I read the nigeria data, but here is a podcast talking about the reduction in crime in UBI.

youtube.com/watch?v=iW6KgITEdT0&feature=share

basicincome.org/news/2016/08/massive-cash-transfer-study-shows-impressive-results/

>surface GDP = 15 trillion
>shadow banking (not taxed) = 15 trillion
>not registered GDP = 5 trillions
wow nigger, do the math.

It's not viable under any circumstance. The idea that we need people with zero economic utility and have to pay them to exist and compete for resources is Jewish mind games.

Right to work is the only welfare program I support. UBI is turbo-commie tier.

Thanks, but I don't really want to listen to a 40-minute podcast to find the info. I was hoping you could find it for me.

WHY NOT JUST KILL THEM?

>Real, hard numbers = 15 trillion
>unprovable numbers = 15 trillion
>imaginary numbers = 5 trillion
>wow nigger, do the math.

I still only see 15 trillion here.

I don't remember exactly where I read the nigeria data, will google it more.

>huh duh is not in the (((goverment))) notebooks, therefore it doesn't exist
I assume drug trade profits are not real then.

>I don't remember exactly where I read the nigeria data, will google it more.

Thanks.

I'm genuinely interested in it. I hadn't heard about Nigeria's experiment before.

>6 Gorillion in property assets
you won't need housing when we give you this shoe box to live in for free

UBI seems counterintuitive at first

But consider the "stimulus", which amounted to corporate welfare, less than ten years ago. If you give a bunch of money to the rich people and institutions who gambled stupidly with everyone else's money, all they're going to do with it is cover their losses and shore up their investments. Poof! It evaporates. They get it when it's worth the most, everyone else absorbs the loss in its value over time.

This exacerbated wealth inequality, but worse, it incentivized greed and corruption.

AND it amortizes out in time to take a pound of flesh from everyman's grandchildren.

So, clearly, it was a pull of the social engineer's levers. Nakedly so.

If the goal of stimulus is to get money circulating, you can't do much better than to give it to people who are going to spend it right away.

But only big banks should be eligible for stimulus, not you and me