Also, if we committed to buy several hundred F-35, wouldn't this mean we have to pay Americans for these planes?
Is this really a good idea? I thought the F-35 is a lemon, no?
Hudson Moore
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Luke Thomas
source?
Mason Long
What are you going to use them for,faster transportation of rapefugees into your country?
Michael Ross
We have bought 140 of the bastards
Brayden Sullivan
This sounds awfully like another Starfighter incident.
Adam Morgan
Lockheed has a new strat now, they'll sell the planes dirt cheap to allied/NATO countries, but you'll have to buy maintenance from them too, and buddy, the maintenance ain't going to be cheap.
With the brittle stealth skin, special fuels and constant software updates that these hangar queens need, a year's maintenance will be three times what you paid for the plane.
And every facet of this flying computer will be DRM'd out the asshole, so you'll never be able to sever the umbilical with Lockheed.
Owen Jenkins
the things a lemon in dogfighting, but it wasn't ever meant to be for dogfighting, that's why the F-22 which is for dogfighting was designed along side the F-35.
The F-35 is the epitome of electronic warfare, the F-35 will spot enemy aircraft long before they have a chance and use the most sophisticated long range missiles to date to kill targets.
But as soon as the fight requires pin point maneuverability the F-35 just can't keep up
Christopher Clark
From all your flight experience in the f35 right?
Nathaniel Richardson
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Hunter Gonzalez
are the F-35s eco-friendly? are they made of post-consumer recyclables and have bio-renewable fuel sources?
Juan Morales
Possibly from the dogfighting trial where it got smoked by a 30-year-old two-seater F-16 gimped with external fuel tanks
John Flores
Every engine is also
>Made in Britain
Thomas Ortiz
Except that it didn't
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Christian Mitchell
>30-year-old two-seater F-16 gimped with external fuel tanks
f35 was using old software ridded with bugs and also had to turn off stealth because the f16 couldn't even find them
but yeh the f16 was the one that was "gimped"
Cooper Hall
>Go ahead: arm the Krauts
What is Trump smoking? Seriously, what the actual fuck?
Ryan Cook
America takes all the credit for making the F-35
Jack Lewis
>thinks WWII dogfighting exists in 2017
Civilian scum
Liam Clark
Forgot the link
Zachary Perry
>US makes you pay your UN defense budget denbts
>spend it on the F-35 "Sky Retard"
Jacob Morales
>They'll patch in agility later!
Aircraft do not work that way
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David Brooks
>burn limitless money for 20 years
>produce a plane riddled with software bugs
this is fine
Jaxson Lopez
Aircraft don't work that way, but missiles do. Lock-on after launch makes the whole agility discussion pointless.
Noah Robinson
>Trying to sound informed by repeating memes
>Gets IMMEDIATELY called out and BTFO
>Gets scared and doesn't even read the article
>Starts linking to irrelevant Wikipedia articles
Stop it, you're embarrassing yourself
>The aircraft, due to it being a test aircraft, had also not had the software installed that is required to use the sensors and mission systems that would be used in combat. Additionally, ‘AF-2’ does not feature the radar-absorbent material coating that operational aircraft have.
>“It [the F-35 in question] is not equipped with the weapons or software that allow the F-35 pilot to turn, aim a weapon with the helmet, and fire at an enemy without having to point the airplane at its target.”
> Over the last few years there have been occasions where a flight of F-35’s have engaged a flight of F-16’s in simulated combat scenarios, the F-35s reportedly won each of those encounters because of their sensors and low visibility.
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John Hernandez
Its overpriced but not overpriced crap
Brody Myers
>Over the last few years there have been occasions where a flight of F-35’s have engaged a flight of F-16’s in simulated combat scenarios, the F-35s reportedly won each of those encounters because of their sensors and low visibility.
>>[source?]
Alexander Hernandez
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Nicholas Miller
sure, you'll be using them as rapefugee housing in no time
Gavin Bennett
>make something to do a task
>test it
>has issues
>fix issues
SEE SEE
IT DOESN'T WORK IN THAT TEST YEARS AGO WHAT A WAIST OF MONEY!!!
fucking grow up
Noah Flores
Drones will make manned aircraft pointless. Your point?
Ryan Walker
>His original argument BTFO
>His pathetic attempt of damage control BTFO
w-where's y-your s-source f-for t-this o-one q-quote
While ignoring the source while ignoring the entire article BTFO everything you've said.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
This is fuN!
Jack Baker
not a lemon, you have no other options really
Matthew Hill
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maneuverability stops mattering so much when you can shoot sideways
Michael Sanchez
Northrop will add a laser to the F-35
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Jonathan Taylor
>produce a plane riddled with software bugs
How many fighter jets has Finland produced, exactly?
Jordan Powell
The SR-71 is a magnificent plane. First concept in 1958, first flight of A-12 prototype in 1962, first flight of production SR-71 in 1964, active service in 1966.
Why can't you do that again? Are your glory days behind you, and now the only things you produce are money laundering projects for the jews at the top of the MIC pyramid scheme?
Legit question, because it saddens me :(
Ryder White
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Evan Bennett
A plane made in the early 1960's was easy to make.
You know that the 1960's are almost 60 years ago you fucking idiot.
Technology has become more complex and challenging to put together.
Jack Thomas
The F-35 is shit
Christopher Perry
It's what you get when someone says "I want a sports car, but I also want to take it offroad and I want to do some towing and hauling". It can't do any of those things all that well because the engineers had to make compromises.
But they argue "Well it doesn't matter because computers, beep boop beep", but you could shove computers into anyything, really. Don't need a boondoggle to shove them in.
Easton White
sr-71.org
Yes, the SR-71 was certainly a piece of piss to design and build, because it was 1960.
We've since come a long way, and modern aircraft are outperforming it in every aspect, right? It is 60 years old, after all.
Andrew Cook
And no telling how many 0days are lurking in that flying computer either. Might as well call it the GNAA fighter.
Elijah Cruz
>the things a lemon in dogfighting, but it wasn't ever meant to be for dogfighting
The idea that the F-35 isn't maneuverable is just bullshit.
(video related)
Grayson Watson
Seriously why would anyone want to buy this train wreck? Just spend the resources on the NGWS program, even it would take 20 years.
Ian White
literally the same argument made when the F-16 was in development, and it turned out fine
Levi Edwards
>implying germans won't reverse engineer the good technology from the shitty American plane and run their own maintenance
top kek finland
not being a mongoloid enables you to do some pretty cool stuff.
Kevin Hill
That's prolly why we're gonna wind recruiting Krauts. A classic American tradition.
Hunter Scott
That was a secret black budget project. From what I understand the black budget people have moved on to floaty triangular craft that can make 90 degree turns and go to Mars and back.
All the really cool tech is secret, all us peasants get is bullshit smartphones.
Adam Morris
Doesn't make sense desu.
Sebastian Barnes
>90'000+ flight hours across the fleet
>Not a single pilot injury/loss
This is literally the safest military plane development program of all time, du Schinkenstulle.
Henry Martin
worst plane of all time
utterly useless
an affront to craft of engineering
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Noah Wood
The Tornado is British, this is why they are trying to f35. Let em the f35 is junk.
Liam Reyes
Pierre Sprey is an analyst that hasn't been involved in military acquisition for decades and never designed anything.
And most of his claims are straight up false (ECM is useless, radars are useless etc.).
He also hates your holy Eurofighter btw.
Wyatt Clark
correct, they won't. this isn't the 1920s, germans are dumb as bricks now.
Brody Hall
>"let me tell you who's white" t. afro-mexican mutt
Hudson Bailey
I don't know why everyone is so up in arms over the F-35.
The big picture is that new technology always has a steep entrance fee attached to it. The F-35 is loader with 1st Gen technology.
The reward comes down the road as it becomes less and less expensive to implement and support said technology.
That's what we're paying for.
Adam Campbell
Yeah, except for the fact that they had to carry your fat asses to the moon.
Levi Nguyen
This definitely isn't new news. I saw German guys in the training center all the time (the USAF trains everyone on the F35)
Not a lemon. Engine is hard to remove (kinda) but definitely not a lemon.
I'm a crew chief in the DoD's best acft maint sqdrn, (yes, even though we only fly 35s) AMA
William Phillips
It's all about reaching the 2% NATO demands.
Burning money left and right like a woman.
Isaiah Reed
How much actual "flight time" versus "maintenance downtime" for those F35s? In a prolonged war, would the F35s be available?
Joseph Nguyen
dogfighting will never happen again
3 retards with a MANPADS are way cheaper than a plane and lifetime maintenance
Elijah Myers
Our military dosent even have the budget to afford even a single F-35
Charles Garcia
It will happen when you have a weak point there, genius.
Brody White
cut refugee gibs then faglord.
Gabriel Cox
WE WUZ INVENTORS N'SHIET.
Elijah Davis
Jonathan Jones
Nah thats racist.
We will increase refugee gibs and just dissolve our racist military and police.
Jonathan Stewart
It doesn't turn that badly - see webm, also this video: All modern jets have software limiters in them that prevent them from crashing; the test that's being referred to was a single flight where they were testing how the software affected dynamic manoeuvring at high alpha. They weren't testing how well it could dogfight.
Not the same thing, but: youtube.com
NGWS isn't necessarily a development program; NGWS may end up being an F-35 acquisition. The German MoD puts out their recommendation next year.
They routinely do 2 sorties a day and have surged 3. In the recent deployment to Europe they even had higher mission readiness rates than the USAF's F-16s that were already there.
Even if it was weak there, the point is that excelling at BVR makes it nearly impossible for an enemy to attempt a dogfight. Blade combat isn't made more likely because modern infantry aren't well trained in using knives.
Hudson Roberts
Forgot the webm
Caleb Diaz
Kek
Aiden Cox
>Made in Britain
Welp, everyone inside is fucked.
Jace Jones
>implying germans arnt being forced to become shitskin mongoloids themselves at a rate of several million per year
>implying germany wont be majority shitskin mongoloids within our lifetime
nice try 60 percenter
Jacob Gomez
>Not the same thing, but: youtube.com
>Kill ratios attributed to a platform naturally make us think of direct engagements with enemy aircraft, but Red Flag is a highly integrated air battle, one that always uses the latest data-link fusing gateways and other force-multipliers. It remains unclear whether the stated kill ratio is strictly attributable to the F-35, or if it includes the actions of other coalition aircraft, particularly F-22s, while the F-35 is merely present.
>F-22s, F-15Cs and Eurofighters shot down 20 enemy aircraft
>F-35s were also in the air at the time
>One crashed
>"The F-35 achieved a 20:1 kill ratio!"
Sebastian Gonzalez
Those were uncucked pre CIA brainwashed germans