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wow hmm rly makes u go like huh,,,,

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virtualbiosecuritycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Library-NIAID-Biodefense-Research-Agenda-for-Category-B-and-C-Priority-Pathogens.pdf
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Herd immunity means it doesn't matter if 4/20(blaze it) people aren't vaccinated.

Soon we'll be facing super vaccine-immune bugs thanks to things like this, thanks I guess.

anyone who dies to a microscopic green blob shouldn't be allowed to reproduce

Yes pumping our kids full of organic mercury compounds as a suspension fluid for mass vaccines like the MMR and WC is somehow good for infants under the age of 1. Did you ever stop to think that introduction of these vaccines in the first place has created more problems than its solved? Ever think that maybe some people just aren't strong enough to survive and that would be a good thing? Ever wonder why there is such a big population issue on this planet user? Its all a big fucking scam, stop buying into it.

>Did you ever stop to think that introduction of these vaccines in the first place has created more problems than its solved?

What problems? Living past 40?

Remember how that somali community got elevated cases MMR because they believed in anti-vaccination material?

>thiomersal
>MMR
not that it matters, but it isn't in MMR. pick a new conspiracy

Overpopulation is a meme.

>implying people before vaccines didn't live past 40
>what is 8 billion people on this planet
Should I give examples or?

You should get small pox and tell me how it feels to be a fucking retard

What do either of those two have to do with vaccines exactly?

Before vaccines you were either immune or you died. Life expectancy averaged 40 not because everyone died at 40, but because half of children died before the age of 5.

Vaccines are not only great, but necessary, because we still have the same issue where people are either immune or they die. Taking vaccines doesn't pass the vaccination onto your children, they're just as vulnerable to polio today as your great great grandfather was without a vaccine.

America is a fucking cesspool, I hope you die to with a 'microscopic green blob' you insufferable faggot.

Someone redpill me on vaccinations. If your kid is vaccinated against [x], thereby making them super immune and shit, why do you give a fuck if my kid isn't vaccinated against [x]?

Be specific pls

I really don't get it.
If someone is pro-vaccine he has nothing to fear from diseases, he his protected. Let's the anti-vaccine do whatever they want, it's their own choice.

Herd immunity. If my child is immunocompromised and can't get vaccinated, your fucked up polio-ridden kid puts mine at risk. Vaccines also aren't infalliable, but having 100% of people 95% protected makes an epidemic much less likely even than 50% of people 100% protected

So vaccines are shit and don't work. Got it.

Also, infectious pathogens tend to evolve quickly, if your shitty child is acting as an incubator/host in which they can generate new forms of themselves that can evade the current set of vaccines until one takes hold, then its similarly bad

Your reading skills are outstanding, have an upvote on me my good sir

>your fucked up polio-ridden kid
>my child is "immunocompromised"

wew lad

>What problems?

>intentionally letting your child have debilitating disease is the same as them having a genetic disease
Good argument

To be fair with the amount of drugs we're using to combat simple diseases it's an eventuality that we're just going to be creating bugs that are more tolerant to our best medicines

>trisomy, a condition that began before conception, was caused by vaccines given long after birth
hmm

Anti-vaxx is a fucking bluepill. Vaccines are a white man's invention to stave off nigger diseases, but (((they))) have you convinced that smallpox isn't a big deal.

cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/vaccine-decision/index.html

Keep putting formaldehyde in your bloodstream like good little beta fish and swim around your fishbowl once more. It's safe doses, don't worry. Very safe. So safe. The best safe. It's only there to kill off the viruses or inactive toxins during the manufacturing process. That means defacto that it can't hurt you because we said it's only for one purpose and that means it can't do anything else, not even accidentally. It's safe, we're 100% sure. It's confirmed safe. Bill Nye the Science Guy says it's safe. It's safe. Confirmed safe.

We can make vaccines against the newly resistant strain if people are compliant in taking them, antibiotic resistance is the real issue since we aren't very good at coming up with them, only finding them in nature

do americans know any other argumentative skills other than ad hoc fallacies?

Locally, a measles outbreak is taking place because low IQ somali niggers have been convinced by anti-vaxxers. Anti-vaxxers can have their dicks cut off and get fucked.

So again, vaccinations don't do shit and making everyone equally vaccinated so the disease can evolve into a super disease no one can combat is the answer. Gotchu senpai.

It isn't a fallacy. Do vaccines work or not?

we need a plague, kill 90% of humans

only the strong survive

humanity saved for the future

Anti-vaxers are doing gods work

Are you seriously using the website of the CDC, who come up with these vaccines and dosing protocols, as an argument? Ever heard the phrase "the dose makes the poison"?

most "anti-vaxxers" are really just against giving massive doses to young babies

>vaccinations don't do shit

Where the fuck do you think TB, Measles, and Smallpox went, you fucking retard???

>if something doesn't work 100% of the time, it doesn't work
Is this really going to be your central argument

When governments are so fucking shit that people begin distrusting literally everything including longstanding medical procedures

It is safe, we said so. Just keep swimming little fish.

Using a sarcastic tone to mock the opposing argument does not make your argument correct. The fact of the matter is that nearly everybody who takes these damn things turns out reasonably fine in the long term.

You wouldn't be alive right now if vaccines weren't mandatory you dumb faggot

I've never had a vaccine and I'm fine

There's always a small personal risk to any medical procedure. Even getting anesthetic for a filling at the dentist carries a risk. This is normal and it's called medicine.

The issue is that the risk of NOT getting a vaccine far, far, far outweighs the risk of getting vaccinated. A small percentage of the population cannot get vaccinations, or are immunocompromised, or are allergic, etc. But it's probably better to avoid getting TB by vaccinating people.

By what standard are you judging it unsafe?

I heard that leeches were a longstanding medical procedure.

What sarcasm? It is 101% safe. The percent went up 1% since we increased the amount of formaldehyde to make it 1% safer. Just like how if /nearly/ everybody taking them is okay that that means it's okay. As a matter of fact, your argument is so sound we'll add another 3.5% on it. It is now 104.5% safe. Nothing to worry about. Factually safe, tested by experts, renowned worldwide, it's definitely absolutely safe. Science has a consensus. It is safe. Almost everyone thinks it's safe, so it is. Very safe. The most safest safe.

>what is herd immunity
You are probably an M5S voter anyway

I hope they make vaccinations mandatory in the near future so that you and your family can be locked up and quarantined away from the general population.

You're making the claim that it's unsafe. Again, what makes you say that?

you completely misinterpreted the user's assertion that vaccines have a 95% chance to keep you immune from a preventable disease; you instead took this as "vaccines don't work at all" which was a complete distortion of what he posted.

I disagree with your stance and must argue for the use of vaccines. it has been shown in many instances that its the most effective method of protecting a large portion of civilisation from pathogens/diseases. here are some sources that provide that same conclusion:

cdc.gov/oid/docs/ID-Framework.pdf

iaomt.org/TestFoundation/lifesaver.htm#Perspective

phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/vpd-mev/index-eng.php

virtualbiosecuritycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Library-NIAID-Biodefense-Research-Agenda-for-Category-B-and-C-Priority-Pathogens.pdf

i'd like some literature on these supposed super diseases you're talking about when a herd immunity has been established. vaccines have been in use since the 18th century and have so far only provided a substantial prevention for infectious diseases, no "super diseases" have plagued humanity in any shape or form.

It kind of does actually. The more people are immune the better. There are actually people who cant take vacines so the herd immunity being as widespread as possible is important for their sake as well.

>Ever wonder why there is such a big population issue on this planet user?
Not because of vaccines or pro lifers. The main problem with overpopulation isnt in western countries you dumb idiot, our populations are stagnating or increasing at a linear rate, what is causing overpopulation is the rate of population growth in the middle East and Africa and guess what, they're only able to growat an accelerated rate because of federal aidgiven to them. So if you really wanted to solve overpopulation you would cut federal aid to countries who can't support themselves

i never had a vax.

>Where the fuck do you think TB, Measles, and Smallpox went, you fucking retard???
They more or less died. What's your point?

>Is this really going to be your central argument
No, my central argument is fuck you and fuck your wife's genetically inferior spawn. If I choose not to have my kid injected with whatever the government says he should then you can stay mad, faggot.

So vaccines do or don't work? Which is it? Little Timmy is vaccinated against [x]. He comes into my home because he's friends with my kid. Does he, or does he not, have [x]? Did the vaccination work or did it not?

I would be safe! Very safe. I would have the most safe formaldehyde protecting me from all the unsafes.

Are you okay? At no point did I say it was unsafe. I think you might need a vaccine to cure that mental issue you have okay? Then you will be safe.

I'm with Salvini and I'm pro-vaccination.
But shooting 5 or more vaccines in a single day to a little baby is idiotic at least.

rich liberals don't vac their kids why should we

>They more or less died. What's your point?
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Are you fucking baiting??????????

what makes you say its safe?

Actually it's China that's the problem. They overmedicate both their livestock and populace with antibiotics when suffering from viral diseases, and this is what results in immunities.

Do whatever Dr. Goldstein says to do to your child, goyim!

No, you simply aren't addressing the connection between your point and the topic at hand.

i can't wait til the super bugs and viruses start hitting. fucking super Spanish flu. our immune systems are so weak. our ancestors from 1000 years ago had stronger immune systers and lower to non-existent autism.

(((they))) are setting us for 1 billion dead, a culling is cumming

i clearly stated that they do work and the sources i cited deliver the same point. it's ridiculous working around made up hypothetical situations based on your own criteria when we have numerous studies and empirical evidence to infer that vaccines are necessary for the prevention of infectious diseases.

I think you may have procured some weapons-grade autism, were you vaccinated in the last couple hours?
I'm glad you can't form coherent sentences any more. Nice projection though lil nigga

Ok, so you are baiting. Nevermind. I got mad for a second.

Because they claimed they had higher rates of autism but it turns out it's the same rate as everyone else and Somalians are just retarded.

>super vaccine-immune bugs

yeah nah that's not how vaccines work cunt

Could foreskin removal also be like the psychological event that breaks a boy into being a mind controlable puppet. akin to like sexual abuse and etc. ???

No, but your parents probably did. Maybe grandparents too. And the people around them. Would've died from fucking polio or some shit and you wouldn't have been born.

So I don't get my kid vaccinated. Why is that any of your concern? If you are vaccinated why are you so obsessed with what I do with my child?

See above. If vaccinations work so well, why are you afraid of them failing so badly? I want you to be specific now. Do vaccines work or do they not? If your kid is vaccinated against [x], my kid has [x], why are you so afraid that your kid might develop [x]? Are vaccines just absolute shit or what?

>they more or less died
Because the vast majority of the world got vaccinated against them you moron.

>only the strong survive
You mean the meek since they can hide better

>Ask ignorant questions and routinely state that you have no idea about the topic and thus need explanations of basic shit
>Think you can be an important part of the conversation on the topic

You can only pick one.

So we can protect people who:
A: havnt been vaccinated yet for whatever reason
B: Some vaccines dont work on some people, so you give them a death sentence if we didnt immunise the population
C. If the pathogen is able to remain transferring from host to ost it will develop and become immune to various treatments over time.

I know you think your point is flawless but you are actually retarded and show you havnt put any time yourself into researching why we vaccinate.

OK, Dr. Jenny McCarthy.
Aren't you late for a porn shoot?

I don't believe you it's mandatory in all public schools

>what is homeschool
retard

youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo

now i kind of feel like this heads into ethical/moral grounds. you'd be willing to put your child at risk to be vulnerable to an extremely fatal disease? at infancy, a disease like whooping cough is extremely painful and a horrific way for a baby to die and that would be on the parent who refused to give the child a vaccination. unless you view his/her death as matyrdom against the jews or something.

Parents that don't vaccinate their kids get CPS called on them and they get taken away by the state into homes that won't abuse them. And thank god for that.

if vaxes dont work on some people why would the whole public need to get vaxed? then the guy the vax doesn't work on is an antivaxer basically, so they are a THREAT TO THE WHOLE POPULATION then right? by your logic.

this is overlabelled almost as bad as a Zyklon Ben cartoon

Notice how anti-vaxxers can only "argue" by asking questions and requesting explanations about basic things. This is because their entire opinion is based on ignorance.

You haven't addressed any of my points. I routinely go back to the basics because you retards simply put forth your opinions as if they are facts and I want to go back to the drawing board and build your own arguments up from the ground up because you faggots don't seem capable of doing so.

If vaccinations work so well, why are you so concerned with your kid catching [x] by playing with my kid at the jungle gym when he hasn't been vaccinated by [x]? Be specific.

I'm not saying if I vaccinate my kids or not. I'm asking why everyone else feels they have a say in the matter.

>Parents that don't vaccinate their kids get CPS called on them and they get taken away by the state into homes that won't abuse them.
Wrong. Fuck off, commie.

They are the propegated primary cells you dont buy the foreskin directly.

KELLY DOES IT AGAIN
>Good, honest bacteria
>Weary and concerned anti vaxxer preventing her son a future of being as Autistic like OP
>Crying Liberty Lady
>Smiling Kelly stating that her parental do good attitude is contagious

>You haven't addressed any of my points.
You don't have any points that aren't just questions that you think are points. Continuously asking for elaborations is not an argument.

I found my dusty old biology textbook that was personally autographed safely by Bill Nye the Science Guy.

also all you "MUH MANDATORY VACCINE" moralists are about to get BTFO'd by gen z, and millennial angst rebellion. and some of gen x, you went and are going to far, you already have started the teenage and twenty somethings rebellion.

Something tells me getting TB as counter-culture will not catch on with the young ones.

I dont get how you can be against the important vaccines.

I would never do one of those vaccines against season flue but stuff like smallpox is a must.

It's still a kike flesh harvest preying upon children.

Do vaccines work or not? If you vaccinate your kid for [x] and he comes over my house to play with Little Timmy who hasn't been vaccinated, is there a risk he'll catch [x]? Yes or no? It is a binary argument.

thats fine, i guess ignore my valid point, just listen to the (((EXPERTS))) they know all right? they would never lie.

It is not a binary argument? You severely, severely misunderstand not only how vaccines work but how infectious diseases work in general.

1. You can be a "carrier" for a disease without contracting the illness. This means you can infect someone with an illness even if you yourself do not suffer symptoms for it. When you are not vaccinated, you put others at risk because you can become a carrier of a disease without realizing it.

2. There are some types of people who cannot received vaccines. By keeping a vaccinated population, the "gaps" are better-covered and the non-vaccinated population is kept safer.

3. Vaccinations are highly effective, but the are not foolproof. The immune system is not a computer program where you enter in one input and always receive the same output. Even condoms only prevent 97% of pregnancies.

Yeah man just let your kid die of whooping cough because jews LOL

Idk about that guy, but my mom always checked the "no vaccines for religious reasons" box

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Second-option_bias
>Second-option bias is a well-documented phenomenon among fringe and counterculture groups in which they assume that any widely-held opinion among the general population must be untrue, and therefore, the prevailing contrary opinion must be right.
>this thread
>this entire board

> organic mercury
stop

Excellent. You're finally getting it. But I'm sure you're tired since it's so late. Those eyes are no doubt droopy by now. I'm sure you can take a break and get some rest and wake up refreshed tomorrow to do all that tedious thinking! As our motto goes: Get some rest -- We know best!

>i should give my chemicals because someone said it was good and cured a disease with no evidence showing that.
that sounds just as bad.

>I'm not saying if I vaccinate my kids or not

it was the first sentence in your previous post that I responded to.

may i ask why they shouldn't have a say in the matter? society works best if everyone works together. anti-vaxxers denounce scientific evidence and proof for the effectiveness of vaccination based on pseduoscientific and purported correlations that have no causation (vaccinations and autism spectrum disorders), diminishing a vaccinations effect as a whole. this is not to say vaccinations don't work, but when a herd immunity is developed, the chances of a fatal disease spreading within the population is significantly reduced, if not completely eradicated. the lone wolves against this idea of mass immunization severely affects how a vaccination is supposed to operate. id like to address your previous point about "super diseases"; the only way a super disease could form is if you gave the disease to mutate within a host. with vaccinations, a disease can't thrive on a host and mutation is not an option.

>No evidence
Again, TB, Measles, Smallpox, etc have DISAPPEARED because of vaccines. I know you weren't alive during the TB epidemic but that shit ruined an entire generation and then was WIPED OUT because of vaccinations. You're being an idiot.

depends on the vaccine, it used to be that vaccinated kids became vectors for new cases, but then they started putting less virus and more immunestimulants to halt the explosion in these diseases.
Most of the polio horrorstories we are forcefed to junk up our babies are actually from epidemics that started in vaccinated kids.

I don't vaccinate, but my kids is bordering autism, I think it's my fault for being a distant father that forces him to take interests in other things and communicating in different ways.

I don't really know desu, trying this way in an attempt to find out more.

Kid's never even been sick with the sniffels, while all his peers are sick all the time.