>Brought to you by Slovakbro
This thread is dedicated to the discussion of all things small government, free market, and self-determination.
Welcome: paleoconservatives, minarchists, laissez-faire capitalists, agorists, ancaps, paleolibertarians, constitutionalists.
Anybody else is welcome to debate us.
Posting Soviet propaganda with no added information is spam and shall be treated as such.
/lrg/-approved people - Bastiat, Hayek, (((Mises))), (((Rothbard))), Pinochet, Hoppe, Llewellyn Rockwell, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Augustus Sol Invictus, Christopher Cantwell, and the 1st Irregulars. Some of the Liberty Hangout goys are approved too.
Not approved - Anarchyball, Jeffrey Cucker, or reddit anarchists.
All others - ask before trying to use them as a strawman against us.
>PASTEBIN: pastebin.com/vriBmd6A
/LRG/ - RIGHT WING LIBERTARIAN GENERAL - MI GENERAL EDITION
Other urls found in this thread:
masongaffney.org
baka.com.au
mises.org
mises.org
twitter.com
FAQ:
>Do you support open borders?
No. The government does not own the land, therefore it cannot determine the border policy. Seeing as 90% of immigration is harmful to the country, by default a vetting system is essential to protect the rights of the citizens.
>Whom'st'd'll've builds the roads?
The people who are going to use them will pay the road crews, and maintenance is provided by the toll money.
>Do you support drug use/other degenerate behaviour?
No, we strongly discourage it as it damages a society built on non-aggression. Most covenants would be built around family (to fill the void after the government is largely/completely gone), and family life is vulnerable to these socio-pathological behaviours. If degenerates want to form their own communities, they are welcome to choke on their own filth or clean up and become productive members of the society.
>Are you Jewish?
No, our Jews are better than their Jews. Few movements (apart from NatSocs, duh) have been accused of anti-Semitism as much as we have, and that's including our more moderate/mainstream figureheads, such as Ron Paul. We support Palestine over Israel (because it's their land, not because they're brown) and we strongly support cutting all foreign aid to Israel (and to pretty much everyone). The international financiers would be significantly set back by freeing the currency system and implementing an actual standard for money to prevent over-printing and inflation. Also we don't trade with our enemies, what the fuck.
>What will you do when governments take over you/reform?
Toss them out of helicopters again. Our crusade is eternal. Liberty or Death!
Also daily reminder that if it wasn't for the government, the U.S. would have remained a white country to this day, even the nogs would have been more prosperous.
RECOMMENDED READING LIST:
ECONOMY
>The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith
>A Treatise on Political Economy by Jean-Baptiste Say
>The Law by Fréderic Bastiat
>The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich August von Hayek
>The Economics and Ethics of Private Property by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
>Man, Economy, and State by Murray Rothbard
>Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell
POLITICS
>Democracy - The God that Failed by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
>Second Treatise of Government by John Locke
>Anarchy, State and Utopia by Robert Nozick
>For a New Liberty by Murray Rothbard
>Against the State by Llewellyn Rockwell
MEDIA:
GOOD TIER
>facebook com/MinarchyMemes - sometimes posts edgy stuff
>facebook com/LibertyHangout - adamant fighters against communism
>facebook com/theliveshowtv - The Jason Stapleton Program - right-libertarian podcast
GREAT TIER
>facebook com/HoppeanSnakeMemes - the source of the snake memes we keep posting - keep up, nerd
>youtube com/user/FreedomFighter631 - Chris Cantwell - host of the Radical Agenda
>youtube com/channel/UCRr7mGBwURyRGM2BRPV3hNQ - Augustus Sol Invictus' ramblings and other content
>youtube com/channel/UCIwnY7Ee4Kfn8g6tz9tjfzA - 1st Irregulars - former Cantwell's supporters, decided to go even further right
>1stirregulars com - 1st Irregulars' main site
>youtube com/user/stefbot - Stefan Molyneux
>youtube com/user/ThatLibertarianT - That Guy T
VIDEOS:
>Christopher Cantwell - How I started hanging out with Nazis - youtube com/watch?v=2RdnvahTAnU
>Christopher Cantwell with Mike Enoch - youtube com/watch?v=aSz_L1WZS7w
>Christopher Cantwell with That Guy T - youtube com/watch?v=7QYL4w3V_mo
>Augustus Sol Invictus - Becoming a Reactionary - youtube com/watch?v=HPQ9yh0gWoE
>Augustus Sol Invictus - The War on Terror - youtube com/watch?v=wy2O7CPNmqI
>Hans-Hermann Hoppe - What Must Be Done - youtube com/watch?v=d_ybi1MeC3c
>1st Irregulars - 1433: National Capitalism and the Correct View - youtube com/watch?v=eVnDAa1LWpw
>That Guy T - The Case for Libertarian Fascism - youtube com/watch?v=l2-jH1vFrW8
MUSIC:
>Eric July - AnCap Rap pt.1 - youtube com/watch?v=pGuj-Z3PNg8
>Eric July - AnCap Rap pt.2 - youtube com/watch?v=zqV4RXLX1Hc
>I Need a Pinochet - youtube com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>Ain't I Right - youtube com/watch?v=XxIbq7HkalQ
>Metallica - Don't Tread On Me - youtube com/watch?v=fh-TKJTCtnw
>Dixie's Land - youtube com/watch?v=IUjLE_N1Cuc
>Yankee Doodle - youtube com/watch?v=IzRhFH5OyHo
>Battle of New Orleans (if you counter-signal Jackson I swear on me mum I'll skullfuck you - plus it's a good song so fuck you) - youtube com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0
>Mi General Augusto Pinochet - youtube com/watch?v=R9R4zPTpS9w
>Adios Mi General - youtube com/watch?v=5rsb7dT6sEM
>Rhodesians Never Die - youtube com/watch?v=r1J8F6YQjBg
>Hammer Of The Right - youtube com/watch?v=5WzAFG0Wntc
>Start Up The Rotors - youtube com/watch?v=Ptw41GUKLpc
MEMES:
>Hoppewave - Physical Removal - youtube com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ
>Cato's Speech - Let's get Physical - youtube com/watch?v=XMqPWqOCGJU
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Let The Commies Hit The Floor - youtube com/watch?v=yy9VvAuCCEg
>Stefan Molyneux - In-Depth Analysis of Marxism - youtube com/watch?v=SGunPi4G2Ns
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Shadilay (Meme War against Agoristball) - youtube com/watch?v=8xBsJUYySNo
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Snekintosh 420 - youtube com/watch?v=JJMdttBmtsY
>That Guy T shitposting about the Alt-Right - youtube com/watch?v=77CdqY4IdgU
dumb slovak bro
links don't work
next time you try to make a general pull it all from a pastebin or something
Like pb+j
Always nice to see these threads
socialism is degeneracy, no matter who its victims and benefactors are
>Socialism is degeneracy
This is literally correct, on a world-historical scale. You should read Shafarevich's The Socialist Phenomenon
Sup Forums's thoughts on this OC?
I've never read that particular book, but all information I'm aware of leads me to that conclusion. from a historical, economic or philosophical standpoint, socialism always leads to the mass physical and mental destruction of people
Very nerdy,but I like it
looks excellent. Clean and informative without being biased to one side
I'm not really a libertarian but i see where you faggots are coming from. And i respect that,so yeah i'll gladly fight alongside you to get rid of communism,socialism and all other forms of leftist cancer. Nationalism all the way.
>The government does not own the land
What stops encroachment from foreign powers ?
Sounds like a good way to get Ukraine'd, and it prevents you from joining alliances like NATO as most of them require government dictated borders to allow military defense/intervention.
>The roads
Will i still be able to buy a foot-wide strip in the middle of the freeway and erect a foot-thick concrete wall, esentually rendering the rest of the road useless. Or set tolls absurdly high. Or buy the road outside of someone i hate/competitors buildings and make it non functional or economically impossible to use/
>No
Yes you are don't lie.
>Toss them out of helicopters again
That's all well and good when you have a fully functioning country all set up, but on the way there you will be extremely susceptible to being crushed by other countries. How large do you think your country would have to be before you had people willing to invest in military hardware capable of competing with any world power or organised military ?
Everyone think's they would be Rambo, but if history tells us anything it is almost always the exact opposite. At the very least a large portion of the population would not participate in the fight.
And how would you defend from things like bombing runs or if someone just wanted to glass your country ?
For a south african you really are good at this. In all honesty i haven't even thought of it. But i'm glad to see that my political compass resonated wtih these texts you have offered.
Alas i am but a follower,not a leader in these matter so i will have to let others judge the validity of your work.
nationalism would naturally arise in a system where there is no forced equality. Without a state propping up cultural Marxist institutions, people will generally want to stick to their own.
>Will i still be able to buy a foot-wide strip in the middle of the freeway and erect a foot-thick concrete wall, esentually rendering the rest of the road useless. Or set tolls absurdly high.
if you can convince them to sell it to you, but someone who would allow that to happen is fucking retarded and would eventually ruin their business through other means
>Or buy the road outside of someone i hate/competitors buildings and make it non functional or economically impossible to use/
once again, if you can convince someone to sell you his profitable road in order to make it non-profitable and waste your own money
I created the pastebin, but it keeps telling me it's spam. FUCK.
put some spacing between em, also wassap slovak
Timothy "every Statist is on my kill-list" McVeigh
Timothy "Another Clinton and I release Amarggedon" McVeigh
Timothy "Hippity Hoppity,bomb public property" McVeigh
Timothy "not owning an AR-15 should be a sin" McVeigh
Timothy "even the score using c4" mcveigh
Timothy "bomb the D.E.A. to protect your 2nd A" Mcveigh
Timothy " be a hero, nuke the bureau"
Mcveigh
Timothy "End the state with fertilizer nitrate" Mcveigh
Make 'em Pay McVeigh
The Expropriator Eliminator
Tim "See a Fed, Kill 'im Dead" McVeigh
Timothy "they're unfit to govern, so put them in the airborne oven" Mcveigh
>mfw you try to do at least one of those five things and you get thousands of commies and niggers rioting
Fuck my life
Thanks! Although I thought some Objectivist bias might be evident - good to know it doesn't come across that way.
>Timothy "End the state with fertilizer nitrate" Mcveigh
"end the state with ammonium nitrate" sounds better and is more accurate
This is like the 3rd AnCap reading list I encountered. Looking at it, it's probably an updated version of one them (also called AnCap Studies, but the categories were called something else and there were less books).
Pic related is the other one
>Although I thought some Objectivist bias might be evident
I thought so too, but I think the way it's written makes it seem like it's biased to whatever philosophy you personally put stock in
top fucking kek
Timothy "the holy truck pf non-agression " McVeigh
Timothy "what of the building consents tho " McVeigh
Timothy "blow up the feds like your grandpa's heart on meds " McVeigh
Timothy "physically removing a federal building " McVeigh
Timothy "one man minuteman " McVeigh
Timothy "Locke's Glock is pointing your cock " McVeigh
Timothy "another Waco and DC turns into Aleppo " McVeigh
Timothy "delivering freedom since the CD-ROM " McVeigh
We should include him into /ourguys/ list
>if you can convince them to sell it to you
Or if i built the roads myself/funded them myself.
That seems extremely silly as it basically makes transport of goods and services dependent on not having someone like me who would charge a $500/ft toll charge on my 1 foot of highway.
>but someone who would allow that to happen is fucking retarded and would eventually ruin their business through other means
I would assume that once people realized that they could essentially buy free moneymakers for a meager investment, there would be a rather lucrative road selling business.
if any major port or entrance to your cities was gated by a single road you could essentially shut down all transport in/out of the city by forcing people to either pay ludicrous tolls or spend 5 hours in traffic taking an alternative way on single-carriageways.
>can convince someone to sell you his profitable road ...
If i can shut down a competitor by buying like 40 square ft of road circling their distribution/warehouses driveways and blocking it off or charging 1 million/ft traveled. that is a profit for me killing off a competitive business is a massive net positive.
In this situation roads are essentially power, whoever owns the rights to transport could control the city.
They could enforce selective tolls, deny specific business entrance, creating or maintain monopolies, if you own the roads you chose what goes in and what goes out, you are basically a dictator.
A single person could cripple a city for minimal financial gain (like betting against stocks then shutting down roads that lead to the company) or extort anyone who wants to get in or out of the city (entry is free, exit is $500).
Like holy shit, fuck making minimal monetary gains on a tollway when you can hold millions of people and their lives at ransom.
the only thing McVeigh did wrong was kill kids [spoiler]and get caught[/spoiler]
friendly bump.
BUT
>Molyneux
>great tier
He's a self-proclaimed intellectual, no better or more reliable than fucking [insert random tranny faggot vlog shitter on YT]
I'm sure I am two Wacos away of agreeing with everything you said.
toll roads would operate under a Laffer curve. If you're doing business in good faith then you'll eventually find the ideal ratio between the cost of a toll and how many people will pay it. If you're doing business in bad faith then you'll get out competed in the long run by someone else
>If i can shut down a competitor by buying like 40 square ft of road circling their distribution/warehouses driveways and blocking it off or charging 1 million/ft traveled. that is a profit for me killing off a competitive business is a massive net positive.
under this assumption it would be ludicrous for any major corporation to not own significant portions of road that was essential to their operations
No doubt /ourguy/
I've been on and off the molymemes train for years. He best serves as ourguy.
> That seems extremely silly as it basically makes transport of goods and services dependent on not having someone like me who would charge a $500/ft toll charge on my 1 foot of highway.
First of all I really do hope you are trolling or just doing this as some fun thought experiment. These wacky scenarios can easily be deployed against you.
> if any major port or entrance to your cities was gated by a single road you could essentially shut down all transport in/out of the city by forcing people to either pay ludicrous tolls or spend 5 hours in traffic taking an alternative way on single-carriageways.
Can you think of a modern city today with one entrance and exit?
> If i can shut down a competitor by buying like 40 square ft of road circling their distribution/warehouses driveways and blocking it off or charging 1 million/ft traveled. that is a profit for me killing off a competitive business is a massive net positive.
Your competitor will have likely bought the land surrounding him before you.
> A single person could cripple a city for minimal financial gain (like betting against stocks then shutting down roads that lead to the company) or extort anyone who wants to get in or out of the city (entry is free, exit is $500).
People could build other roads?
> Like holy shit, fuck making minimal monetary gains on a tollway when you can hold millions of people and their lives at ransom.
I get your Australian and that our sun and school system have done wonders to your brain but come on.
>toll roads would operate under a Laffer curve.
You are assuming that toll way companies would run the same way they currently do while under heavy government regulation. especially when they could easily extort out much larger fees.
>you'll get out competed in the long run by someone else
The cost of road maintenance is minimal, even less when there is no government tax on it, codes requiring its upkeep. For a small investment you could essentially fuck over a large city for decades, possibly even hundreds of years if you passed it down for little more than the cost of the initial investment.
>under this assumption it would be ludicrous for any major corporation to not own significant portions of road that was essential to their operations
That is true, but then it leads to a scenario where everything is roads.
If a company has it's own road, you know they would likely have it mostly shut down for priority transport of their goods. And every competitor would need their own roads. Transport anywhere would be a clusterfuck of truly epic proportions.
Btw I still intend on delivering, just taking my sweet ass time.
Nice
> You are assuming that toll way companies would run the same way they currently do while under heavy government regulation. especially when they could easily extort out much larger fees.
You really do not understand basic economics. Try and understand supply and demand before you embarrass yourself.
If you charge say people $9 to drive on a toll road in one direction, you hike it (in your meth addled brain) to $500. People won't drive on your road. In fact people will prop up other roads around you and undercut you (that is charge less than you). In the meanwhile your profits fall, your shareholders launch lawsuits against you, your employees demand their wages, the banks requires you make your interest repayment and so do the rest of your creditors.
> For a small investment you could essentially fuck over a large city for decades, possibly even hundreds of years if you passed it down for little more than the cost of the initial investment.
You'd probably be killed by someone
> If a company has it's own road, you know they would likely have it mostly shut down for priority transport of their goods. And every competitor would need their own roads. Transport anywhere would be a clusterfuck of truly epic proportions
Look I know you think you've made an argument but you haven't. It's premised on a very unlikely probability.
>For a small investment you could essentially fuck over a large city for decades, possibly even hundreds of years if you passed it down for little more than the cost of the initial investment.
until someone builds another road and then doesn't fuck people with it
>If a company has it's own road, you know they would likely have it mostly shut down for priority transport of their goods.
I think you have very little understanding of how logistics works. A company that's so large it has to shut down roads to reliably distribute its product would be better served decentralizing its operations to ensure a more efficient spread of its logistics trains
>And every competitor would need their own roads.
unless it's mutually optimal for them to use the same road
>Transport anywhere would be a clusterfuck of truly epic proportions.
clusterfucks are bad for business, a health economy would ensure the road system is as efficient as possible
>These wacky scenarios can easily be deployed against you.
I wouldn't be retarded enough to live in a city where transport had no regulation and was privately owned.
>Can you think of a modern city today with one entrance and exit?
Manhattan island. But realistically pretty-much every city has 2-3 "main" exits that are capable of handling traffic flow in/out of the city. It would be gridlock for miles if everyone was forced to use residential streets or non-main roads to exit a city.
>Your competitor will have likely bought the land surrounding him before you.
Ok, but that means new businesses have issues fostering if they cant afford to buy the roads around them. And how far out would they have to own them ?
They could own the road right from the warehouse to the store, but if i own that last foot they are fucked. If i own enough road that it forces them to use transport that is not economically efficient they are fucked. If i own the roads near any transport infrastructure (ports, train stations etc) they are fucked.
And when that company crumbles i could just buy their road and expand my monopoly empire.
>People could build other roads?
Sure, they could. But not instantly. building roads takes an ass-load of time. Long enough for people to get fired from not going to work or deciding they don't want to spend 5 hours diving to work because i thought it would be hilarious.
But even then, what stops someone else from doing the same on the new road ?
How many roads would you need before someone like me stopped doing this ?
>I get your Australian and that our sun and school system have done wonders to your brain but come on.
It not my fault you guys are thinking way to small time on this
> I wouldn't be retarded enough to live in a city where transport had no regulation and was privately owned.
Yet many countries have private roads.
> And when that company crumbles i could just buy their road and expand my monopoly empire.
No you economic illiterate that wouldn't happen. You'd be out of money. Look the only reason you're able to conjure these examples is because you've never worked and/or ran a business.
> It not my fault you guys are thinking way to small time on this
It's not my fault you're ignorant on the great body of literature and are rehashing debunked arguments
>You really do not understand basic economics
Mate, you think the 10/day toll that millions of people a day pay is the saturation point ?
You could easily charge 30-50 dollars and people living in outer suburbs would still pay it to avoid spending half their free time in traffic. At the moment almost all toll ways have tolls set low due to government intervention to prevent absurd prices.
And having higher profit users on roads is a net benefit, less users = less ware = less maintenance.
You could charge out the ass and still make it just as profitable.
> In the meanwhile your profits fall, your shareholders launch lawsuits against you
This is a private holding of land, fully funded by me, not owned by a corporation.
>You'd probably be killed by someone
They could try, i wouldn't want to live there with the roads being so shit.
If i had to i'd have my private security force TM protecting me as much as possible.
>It's premised on a very unlikely probability.
It's unlikely that a single person will realize they can basically fuck everyone or get really rich by employing these tactics ?
>buy all the roads on earth
>make them so expensive no one can use them legally
>bleed money on operating costs while everyone else saves by using your roads without paying
a truly foolproof plan
>until someone builds another road and then doesn't fuck people with it
Yeah good luck with that.
> A company that's so large it has to shut down roads
I didn't say shut down, i said prioritize, as in have a lane dedicated for their transport only.
For large decentralized companies the tactic would be less effective, but it would easily shut down any up-and comping competition of mid-sized companies.
> mutually optimal for them to use the same road
Its quite clearly not if i would be trying to force them out of business by charging out the ass or refusing them use of my roads.
>clusterfucks are bad for business, a health economy would ensure the road system is as efficient as possible
Aye, they are, which is why this road system that could easily be crippled doesn't sound like a great idea.
then I just use your roads illegally, wait until you sue me and then buy off all the judges who will then declare that the roads belong to me because of squatter's rights
checkmate kiddo
>Yet many countries have private roads.
With government regulations stating what they can and cant do on them.
I have a 4km private road and i have a list as long as my arm of the condition i need to keep it in for use by emergency vehicles and to avoid lawsuits.
>You'd be out of money
Yeah because maintaining monopolies has always been a massive net negative towards the companies controlling the monopolies. That's why raising barriers of entry for starting a business are completely irrelevant.
>rehashing debunked arguments
because yall have no real good answers for "what happens if rich people decide to be cunts"
>then I just use your roads illegally
Good thing i have my private security force (TM) armed and watching the roads to shoot intruders violating the NAP ;^)
nope, I paid them all off. They're double agents and they help me use your roads
friendly reminder that Geolibertarinism and the Single tax can save capitalism
I paid inspectors to fire the guys who took bribes and inspector inspectors to fire the inspectors who took bribes and so on and so fourth. inspectors all the way up.
Gg no re, isnt ancap society wonderful
>I paid inspectors to fire the guys who took bribes and inspector inspectors to fire the inspectors who took bribes and so on and so fourth. inspectors all the way up.
sounds like your operating costs are pretty high, how do you make money to pay all those inspectors with no one paying your tolls?
Geolibertarianism is the belief that each individual has an exclusive right to the fruits of his or her labor, and thus an exclusive right to the value of those fruits; and that all individuals have an equal right to land, and thus an equal right to the value of land.
By embracing this belief, geolibertarians are simply taking the core libertarian principle of self-ownership to its logical conclusion: Just as the right to oneself implies the right to the fruit of one's labor (i.e., the right to property), the right to the fruit of one's labor implies the right to labor, and the right to labor implies the right to labor -- somewhere. Hence John Locke's proviso that one has "property" in land only to the extent that there is "enough, and as good left in common for others." When there is not, land begins to have rental value. Thus, the rental value of land reflects the extent to which Locke's proviso has been violated, thereby making community-collection of rent (CCR) a just and necessary means of upholding the Lockean principle of private property. In the late 19th century, CCR became known as the "Single Tax" -- a term often used to denote Henry George's proposal to abolish all taxation save for a single tax on the value of land (irrespective of the value of improvements in or on it).
What do you guys think of Jordan Peterson?
This triggers the geofag.
>sounds like your operating costs are pretty high, how do you make money to pay all those inspectors with no one paying your tolls?
Oh i just let them keep the bribes they find their lower employees are taking, its a completely self-sustaining economic ecosystem as long as bribes are regularly fed in.
>not signing a contract with the network of landowners to automate the means of removal
Haven't seen much of him but I like listening to him trashing marxists.
> At the moment almost all toll ways have tolls set low due to government intervention to prevent absurd prices.
The prices are determined by the market. Read some price theory.
> And having higher profit users on roads is a net benefit, less users = less ware = less maintenance.
There's a balance to be had. Of course various toll roads could be for various people. The more affluent could pay more and have less traffic.
> You could charge out the ass and still make it just as profitable.
Further validating my point that you are an economic illiterate
> This is a private holding of land, fully funded by me, not owned by a corporation.
You would have to have loads of money to blow. Again very unlikey. What's the likelihood you'd be the only toll road providers.
I assume you listened to his podcast with Rogen?
i could care less about the racism desu
the problem is that man is skimming unearned wealth off the backs of laborers.
Think about all the taxes the wealthy pay right now to support his tenants? Is it okay that he just collects those benefits? Does that false charity even help anyone?
nope
> That's why raising barriers of entry for starting a business are completely irrelevant.
Your ignorance knows the no bounds. It's an undisputed fact big corporations pass legislation to increase the overhead of competing smaller firms
You haven't responded to my previous points. Rather you've gone on a autistic tangent. I mean that's fine.
Hack
yeah
I stop bribing your guards and the inspectors start confiscating their wages thinking they're bribes. Your guards revolt and work for me since I was the one paying them anyway
what the fuck is wrong with England that plumbers are a low income profession?
squatters can go fuck themselves, you wanna live in my building you gotta pay rent.
Breddy gud desu. Although I really don't like his arguments for/from (((faith))) (which he calls "the transcendental) and his identification of the cause of dogmatic ideologies (such as Communism) as 'pure reason' - as if it is reason that justifies totalitarianism, and we need some kind of mystic spirit beyond reason to repudiate it. Mysticism, whether in religious or (((dialectical))) terms, is the philosophical root of dictatorship. Also, his view of life as being, fundamentally, suffering, and of love as the desire to see suffering alleviated, is completely backwards and dangerous. I think he's got a lot of interesting things to say, but I wouldn't send my kid to him for psychological treatment.
Who do you vote for, Slovak-kun?
>In all seriousness, why is Right-wing Libertarianism becoming so authoritarian?
The cucks know, SHUT IT DOWN.
>The prices are determined by the market
Read government regulation in regards to tollways. The price tollways charge is not determined by the market, it is determined by government regulations in the various roadways acts and related documents.
>There's a balance to be had. Of course various toll roads could be for various people. The more affluent could pay more and have less traffic.
Of course there is. Thats what im saying. You could assfuck the majority of the population for shits n gigs and still make money.
>Further validating my point that you are an economic illiterate
You agree with me, they accuse me of being economically illiterate ?
>You would have to have loads of money to blow. Again very unlikely. What's the likelihood you'd be the only toll road providers.
I mean sure, people who could do this wouldn't be common, nor would they have to be the only toll road providers, but given construction speeds of roadways combined with poor city planning, more often than not districts with high amounts of industry or business have very few efficient choices for transporting goods. They either take the tollway or double their transport costs taking the longer route.
Something that worries me about these threads is the complete lack of mention of neoclassical economic thought.
Not that people have to be neoclassical here, just that all that is mentioned is Austrianism.
(Not that people talk much about economics anyway, with the exception of Georgistfag)
What is the likelihood you'd have this toll road monopoly in place before anyone else built or before anyone else had built toll roads? Also how many people would possess the wealth you had? Now if you calculate the probability you get a very low number, such a number does not justify public roads which are inefficient.
Strasserists report in
>I stop bribing your guards and the inspectors start confiscating their wages thinking they're bribes. Your guards revolt and work for me since I was the one paying them anyway
Well i wasn't paying them anyway because you were bribing "all of them" and most of them were fired before their first paycheck.
But thankfully due to you infinite paying of my guards i essentially had a free workforce that i was using for menial labor that eventually provided enough capital to move to a country that isn't an absolute shi-thole thanks to my road program.
>strassholes want to do away with personal property
>Your ignorance knows the no bounds. It's an undisputed fact big corporations pass legislation to increase the overhead of competing smaller firms
Im not sure if you are autistic, pissed off, or simply missed the sarcasm there.
>You haven't responded to my previous points
You haven't made any, you have basically just said "i dont think that would happen"
lol, i think you meant to post in /cg/ faggot.
...
Of course you do. You're missing the point. Georgism is not against private property at all. In fact it is in defense of property rights against socialism. Georgism seeks to distribute what should be held in commons, not by the government, to the communities that add value to it.
Exclusive use /= ownership
read pic related
>What is the likelihood you'd have this toll road monopoly in place before anyone else built or before anyone else had built toll roads?
You dont need a total monopoly, you only need control over either specific sections of roadway or the so called "arterial" roads.
Or if you wanted to be a cunt,very, very small sections near important roads that make using the important roads nearly worthless.
>Also how many people would possess the wealth you had
Global wealth data bank says there's about 100k people in the us with 50m+ in net worth (easily capable of building a reasonably sized tollway). Or about 33 people per 100k population. An average city has like what 2-4 million people.
On average you would have a few hundred people with the capital and likely the motive to try something like that if it could guarantee them a monopoly, or at the very least highly dis-incentivise competition. And at worst could fuck everyone in the city to the point of making it practically non-functional because they thought it would be funny.
Just bought 2 Hoppe books
>A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism
>Democracy: The God That Failed
Which should I read first?
Is there a more red-pilled activity than 3D printing your own guns?
Democracy. It's a better smash. And you'll get a hefty dose of black-coated red-pill.
Who is your favourite senator and why is it Rand Paul?
Why dont neoclassicals recognize land is a unique aspect of production?
Neoclassical school was created to wipe georgism from history and sadly its basically worked
You might be one of the few people itt that would enjoy this masongaffney.org
That's why I was thinking of reading it second. Also he wrote it second
Bombing federal buldings
But that happens when you reach a redpill overdose so you must be careful
Please debunk this, I dare you.
Good point. I haven't read the other one so I couldn't tell, but supposedly it's his first masterpiece. Whichever one you choose, you're going to enjoy it.
Bump
They could be killed?
I don't think it can be debunked, only criticized
what level of support for socialism is aggression, and how involved does that support have to be? Is it possible to say for sure? Who decides if it's unclear?
yeah I had a similar thought. I don't think it can be objectively determined how involved someone must be.
They are rich and living in an ancap society, they would likely have a personal army, and probably not actually live in a city where they would cause this shit.
It's kinda like saying "you could kill a world leader", like yeah, you totally could, but for most people that is not a reasonable solution nor will it solve the problem if the land/road is passed down to a now pissed off heir.
Bobby billionaire in current first world countries have security teams to prevent kidnapping/ransom situations. I doubt they would care less in an ancap society.
How would you get a hold of these arterial roads? Again here you are deflecting my questions and then you trance around like you've won the argument.
Tre autistique
Why would anyone sell you the arterial roads? Why wouldn't there already be competing toll roads in and out of the city?
50mil? Try a few hundred million
realistically I think you can only fully justify it in a situation like the climax of Atlas Shrugged. You'd have to exhaustively describe and prove your ideology before you go "..and anyone who disagrees gets a helicopter ride"
>How would you get a hold of these arterial roads?
By building them, buying them or building/buying the roads on the offramps.
Where do you think these roads come from ?
Will your ancap city just poof into existence, fully functional with all infrastructure already built ?
> Again here you are deflecting my questions and then you trance around like you've won the argument.
Im not deflecting anything, im giving you answers and your getting more and more pissed off.
>Tre autistique
Oh vey
>Why would anyone sell you the arterial roads?
The same reason government sells the roads, they either don't want to take care of them anymore, cant afford to take care of them, or you offer them enough money for them to sell it.
> Why wouldn't there already be competing toll roads in and out of the city?
First of all, there would be, as in your little ancap society, all the roads would be toll roads (as per the first response in this chain).
Every street is a toll road, every highway and dirt road a tollway.
But if you are talking roads worth taking (IE high-way style tollways) the answer is your next statement
>50mil? Try a few hundred million
First of all, it's 50m+ as in 50m-several hundred million/billion.
Im not even going to read the article, i am fully aware that road cost of current tollways range from 2-8m/km for a 4-lane tollway that requires land acquisition.
You seem to have missed the point where all roads in an ancap society are tollways. and the fact they would have to be built before the city was created, massively reducing the cost of them due to not needing to buy houses at retail prices.
A small 10/km 4-lane tollway in the country costs about 20m, within range of someone with a net value of over 50m+.
But you dont need to do even that, as all ancap roads are tollways, you could simply buy/build the roads just past the on/off-ramps of said freeway style tollways and block them off.
bump
How is Ancapistan different than seizing the property and business you already legally own and calling in an independent state?
And what if large corporations start forming alliances to create monopolies and eventually restore the state as you see it?
The biggest caveat I see is that if you want freedom of government oppression you need the means to defend yourself and your property, that you should already be able to get, since you wouldn't have time to get those after the state is overthrown.
WARNING: If you read these books, you can not unlearn them. There is no going back.
Anatomy of the State:
mises.org
Economics In One Lesson:
mises.org