Is taxation theft?

Is taxation theft?

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No because you're paying for services that the government provides all Americans, such as infrastructure, protection and other safety nets in case you lose your job etc.

yes, this is taxation

Taxes on already taxed income is theft imo

But what if i don't wish or want to give my hard-earned cash to those things i don't need?

I'm forced and Abused until i do, aren't i? Is it not theft? And if i don't, they take it by absolute force.

>safety nets are commonly designed to drop you to your death if you don't get out of them fast enough
Stop calling them safety nets.

It is theft, don't listen to burgers who haven't read Democracy: The God That Failed

our infrastructure is shut

Our roads are shit

Our education system is shit

Govt benefits are a joke

You are a fucking deluded idiot.

Is economic access a right?

Generally one requires a SIN to engage in the marketplace, which means a voluntary agreement that profiting from one's labour under the state is subject to fees.

Don't like it? Don't work. Get on the dole. Or starve.

Life is struggle. You're owed nothing.

No you're not paying for those things. You're stolen from and then the government uses the money to purchase what it wants.

How do people like you tie your own shoelaces?
Would you consider it moral for me to take $1000 from you and donate it to charity? Or would you say that you, yourself is donating $1000 to charity?

Wake the fuck up, you moron.

>mafia beats you up if you dont pay their for services

If you are a millionaire, then yes, because you're not using the roads/healthcare more than anyone else yet you're paying much more than the average joe

then move to somalia where there are no taxes

Innit just possible to go off the grid, get food and water from nature, etc?

Whoever says no is a fucking parasite

No it's not.

Theft is defined as taking one's property or services without their consent.

I do not consent to being taxed. If I avoid paying taxes, I am fined and charged with crimes. If I defend myself against these charges, I am murdered with firearms.

This is literally theft.

"Hand over your currency or you will be shot and killed"

How the hell you would have an non anarchist area without taxation?

TAXATION IS THEFT

Yes.

No.

Yes.

Yes.Just because they give you a portion back doesn't mean it's not stealing. I never signed any agreements and I literally can't leave the country without paying taxes or (((breaking the law))).

Taxation is theft.

Taxation is theft!! I never signed any social contract!!!

Places like Monaco & Bahamas exist, No taxes at all but are still a civilized society with law and order.

it wouldn't be theft if we were actually allowed to opt out of our social contracts

t. hobbesian

>Taxes on already taxed income is theft imo
why? have you heard of the term credit default swaps? the rich make money simply for being rich, why shouldn't we tax the shit out of their bullshit repackaged financial products?

what do you think of illegal immigration then? They also pay no taxes and consume the nations property and services.

>The comapny then starts establishing it's laws regarding security and fire safety.

This doesn't happen. Everything past that point is crap.

>The Bahamas has no income tax, corporate tax, capital gains tax, or wealth tax. Payroll taxes fund social insurance benefits and amount to 3.9% paid by the employee and 5.9% paid by the employer. In 2010, overall tax revenue as a percentage of GDP was 17.2%.

I'm going to throw you in jail if you don't buy this paper clip whether you want to or not.

>Taxation is theft!! I never signed any social contract!!!
you don't have to sign anything, dummy. you consent to the social contract simply by continuing to live in US soil subject to congress's constitutional power to tax your dumb ass. don't like it, there are free countries like somalia you would like

Just Monaco then.

Calling taxation theft becomes circular logic if you analyze it properly. For a claim on property to have any meaning whatsoever, you have to enforce it.

Unless you are willing to enforce property yourself (which would result in property being defined as whoever has the biggest gun), you need some sort of state to enforce those rights. Which requires taxation to fund. So by that logic, you can also say property is theft.

I'm no commie. I believe in the utilitarian reasoning for small gov and property rights.

But the moral argument is religious dogma

> The state has no income tax and low business taxes

>i never signed no social contract
Then your claim on property is meaningless

If instead of prison, you just got deported would taxation still be theft?

because then (((they))) would lose money

It depends,if the state actually builds shit with your money no,but if you live in flag related where they literally steal your money then yes.

What dont you goyim understand? Taxation isnt theft!

>Taxation isn't theft because the guy who takes it from you at gunpoint without your consent is going to exorbitantly overpay for some old person's surgery

taxation is "theft" that society considers morally acceptable, this isnt that hard

>because then (((they))) would lose money
so taxing already taxed money would decrease income for those of the jewish religion? then why is pol against taxes?

small countries whose almost entire economic business model is to be tax havens for the obscenely wealthy don't need taxes to sustain themselves huh.. nobody could have thought of that!!

then the question arises whether we want you want these services or not and should have the ability to decline (not an ancap btw)

It is not theft. They aren't stealing it from you.

The state uses force and the threat of force to take your property away. That is called robbery.

Theft is the taxation of the rich by the poor.

then the question arises whether you want these services or not and should have the ability to decline (not an ancap btw)

fixed that xd

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not in canada. Almost everything is illegal. It takes a couple hundred thousand bucks to go off grid and live like a poor colonial. Crazy times we live in.

how so? it's not like they patrol the northern tundra with police drones

because pol is run by the joos

only if you get nothing in return from the state.

no because theoretically it should come back to you
not really the case here in Romania though

What if I don't want to get it from the state? What if I want to hire a private firm to do what the state claims it's going to do (yet never does).

minarchism is the anwser. or a very limited goverment.

no taxation without representation right? if you pay tax you get the right to vote.
otherwise not.

Canadian wilderness belongs to the government and is whored out to corporations (mining, logging mostly). These corps work with the government and will evict you if they find you.
hell, nowadays living off grid in the tundra is grounds for being committed in a freindly government re education facility.
Theres a federal building code in canada, so they can take down any diy structure in the boonies without going to a judge.
Its doable, but you'd be living like a fugitive and that kinda defeats the purpose.

what if we let you not pay and your children use it or you change your mind later/were lying to get away with parasitism?

No. Money is not given by god. Money is not found in nature. Money is a concept that was created by people, and is regulated by governments by definition.
Should you be allowed to print your own money? Only the tardiest of libertardians would answer yes. If your answer is no, ask yourself why. The same rationale would be used to justify taxes. If you choose to work within the monetary system, which is defined, regulated and assured by the government, you have to obey the system's rules.
You have the option of doing quid pro quo work for other people: you fix my roof, I'll fix your car, no taxes are involved and that's perfectly legal as long as no money changes hands.
The use of money is a service, just like anything else: why wouldn't you have to pay for it?

no, it's robbery, because you're under the threat of violence

Yes, and I support it.

>the mafia doesn't provide you with everything regarding your life like posting on this fucking board

What if you had a brain/weren't a LEAF and realized that pay when using is possible.

okay just need to up the taxes for police/systems to enforce it right?

Don't forget welfare for niggers and importing more shitskins.

You don't have to pay income taxes if you don't have an income.
You don't have to pay sales taxes if you don't buy anything.
You don't have to pay capital gains taxes if you don't make capital gains.
You don't have to pay corporation taxes if you aren't a part of a corporation.

You don't "have" to do anything. You tacitly "choose" to pay taxes because you "choose" to do those things. If it sounds like extortion, what do you think the logical conclusion of anarchocapitalism is?

Taxes are theft
Traps are gay
Water is wet

Extortion is a form of theft, so technically yes. People like to claim it's not theft, since it's usually democratic. Like if 3 of your neighbors vote to steal your shit, it's okay because it's democratic.

It's not 'your shit'. The exchange of money is a service rendered to you by the government. If you choose to opt in, the government is free to dictate rules regarding it.
Make up a new currency, convince others to use it as well, and no one would tax you anything on it. If you choose to use US dollars, you have to pay the US.

Yes, humanity must adopt the law of survival of the fittest, those who cannot help themselves must die for the betterment of the human race, else we're doomed to extinction.

"Yeah dude, just make up a new currency, fuckin simple as that."

Worse taxation=theft = slavery

Your use of existing currency is voluntary. You're opting in to the government's monetary system, and they have the right to set the rules, because it's their currency and they're doing the job of regulating it. There's no definition of theft this falls under.

"Why the fuck would the bank charge me for a transaction? It's MY money!"
Same thing basically. You pay for services. The monetary system itself is a service rendered to you by the government.

A well-functioning economy with enforced property rights demand a well-functioning system of law and order. If you do not want to be part of that community anymore, you are free to leave the country. The country was there before you were born, and without it's laws and government there would have been no wealth in your country either. It is impossible to create wealth and build something a country without law and order. Look to Somalia.

>911 whats your emergency?
>"halp! Mah fatha is dying!"
>that would be 247.456 dollars plus tip

unquestionably

Try not paying your taxes and see how that goes. You are not paying for these things voluntarily you are being compelled by a gun.

But the mafia isn't gubmint, it's a private force, so it's pretty chill with AnCaps.

No. Most people are honest.

It's only theft because you're paying for other people's well-being.

I don't mind paying for my own medical assistance via a pot in much the same way a pension is accrued, but why the fuck should anybody be able to use that money?

The most common argument is that it is the decent thing to do and because we are all in this together, but I absolutely wouldn't mind front people that are close to me if they needed it to begin with. Why the fuck should I pay for complete strangers that I don't know and that I more than likely couldn't care less if they died because I will never know them.

I mail my taxes in with a stamp.

They tax my taxes in the US.....

Theft is requires the existence of property.

What libcucks don't realize is that property is not a "natural right" but emerges from a social contract.

Otherwise, the guy with the biggest stick owns whatever he wants. But two guys are stronger than a big one.

So you start paying tough guys to defend your property because you alone can't do it. But if what you're defending is worth enough to pay several guys, then more guys will get together to take it away from you.

Reapeat this ad infinitum, and you end up with a big enough gang, "the state" that charges you for protecting your property.

But the state is smart, and realizes that if he can buy enough people to respect your "right of property", it won't need to spend that much money paying thugs to protect shit.

What you're taxed for, are not services you won't use, but money used to conform people enough to maintain the social contract and recognize your right of property.

Monarchy had the biggest, are you seriously this retarded that you don't know Communism has the least taxes? The only thing anarcho-capitalism creates is monarchy.

The problem I have with this line of thinking is that literally all land is owned now with the exception of a few undiscovered Pacific islands and some of Antarctica. If I don't want to pay where am I supposed to go? It's all well and good saying Somalia but Somalia is still mostly owned by niggers even though there is no governance.

If somebody would point me to a place where I can just live free of the government and free of money I would eat that shit up.

Somehow people of this board are going to defend taxation yet at the same time condemn socialism. It just doesn't add up.

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Constantly attacking socialism is the only way to make taxation work though.

If we didn't constantly shoot down every socialist idea there would be no money left. Having said that money isn't real to begin with and if you have ever been paid in fiat currency you have been cheated.

Pinochet created the biggest taxes and biggest debt. But muh...helicopter rides. Study history or at least lean ABCD of economy you stupid retard.

Thats why you tax away the economic rent of land and either distribute it back to citizens per captia or use it to fund government

now your being compensated for being excluded from your god given right to land

Yes. Taxation violates the NAP.

does collecting debt violate the NAP if the debt is justified?

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