Voluntarily dropping out of the genepool

>voluntarily dropping out of the genepool
>redpilled
Can someone explain the appeal of MGTOW to me? Is it some sort of jewish psyop?

men sent their own way

Can someone who's not getting laid start another shitty thread trying to project his sexual failure onto people?


....yup

It's butt hurt autists, incels, and weebs who have bought into homosexual propaganda that women are vile scum. It's honestly really sad. I see a guy on FB post about it and I cringe every time.

It's men who've suffered women in some way. Who are jaded. And they've convinced themselves they don't need women. And that their lives are happier without them. Easier. Much more quiet. No drama. No shit. FAR more money. Total control of life and finances. Etc.

But they talk too much about how they don't need women, and try to support each other in that endeavor because they're lonely. But would never admit it. And they struggle between being lonely and all the benefits of being single.

They're about half full of shit. And many do not stay mgtow. It's just a way of a men saying, " I'VE HAD IT WITH WOMEN! " and then pretending they love being alone entirely and blah blah blah, until they finally break down and get a girlfriend. That's the gist of it.

Seems to me to be feeble men making a big show out of doing something real men have done all their lives.

>Can someone explain the appeal of MGTOW to me? Is it some sort of jewish psyop?

Its a reactionary movement to a psyop (feminism).

Also it is red pilled because these men do not end up paying into the property taxes and income taxes that support the welfare state. They also do not end up taking out huge loans for shit they would only need to attract women like expensive houses and cars. Same goes for all the men opting out of collage and not taking out student loans. The banking industry is genuinely in panic mode over MGTOW.

MGTOW as silly as it might sound is required to take undatable men out of the dating pool to take the pressure off much more qualified men as well deflate women's smv.

>mgtow thread
>tradcucks come out of their caves

>Can someone explain the appeal of MGTOW to me?

We live in a culture that glorifies women and hates men. Men are expected to work their asses off their whole lives in order to fulfill the needs of a woman. MGTOW is not wanting to get married to a western parasite woman, and are opting out of the game. This isn't anything new; many ancient greeks and romans chose to live this way. Men go mgtow due to both culture and law. Women in this culture are not fit to be mothers or wives. They whore around in their youth and indulge in hedonism, instead of building their careers or family skills (cooking, cleaning, wiping a babys ass). They expect the man to do that AND make all the money. Once you do get married, legally she has the state's gun to your head. She can get up one day, decide she doesn't "love" you anymore and leave with half your shit plus the kids. Two weeks later you could be writing her an alimony check while she bangs Tyrone in the car you bought for her.

Is that the future you want? Yes? Fine go ahead, get married. MGTOW don't care what actions others may take. It's an individualist idea.

it's the aversion to losing all your shit to women in a woman biased court system or to give roasties a free pass while they play a double standard in our society

Then find a good girl, Jesus, it isn't as hard as you think. They're out there. Stop trying to find wife material at the local club or on tinder, trashy places like that.

>find a good girl trust me

ahahah i heard this shit 1000 of times , then the same people saying this shit , get btfo by their "GOOD GRILL" .

This is called the NAWALT argument. "Just find a unicorn then you're golden". Problem is, you think you've found a unicorn and then become another statistic(50% divorce rate, 90% initiated by women).

What % of women do you think are marriageable? and what will you say to the guys that can't get those women? You'd be advocating mgtow for them I assume

lol you guys overgeneralize women too much. Are there examples of women being nothing better than a wet hole? Definitely. But most women are decent people who have careers and shit. It's not like every guy is a nobel prize winner

I never advocated for or against it. I simply explained the appeal that you asked about. Women can be good, but only when kept in check. Otherwise MGTOW does have more legitimacy than you give it credit for. If men base there entire existence on getting with whatever woman they can get, then women will always get someone. When women suddenly start ending up alone as they are no longer a required commodity then we will see them start correcting themselves

Men Gaying Their Own Way

> keeping all your money and time to yourself
> enjoying life instead suffering
> "not redpilled"
Marriage is a scam, you will be paying for Chad's kid, get divorced, lose all your property, and then become eternal slave for some slut who will keep fucking other men while you struggle to pay alimony.

>But most women are decent people who have careers and shit. It's not like every guy is a nobel prize winner

HAHAH ok buddy. Women go to college to suck dick and do drugs, most of what they learn is just for show. Their end goal is to just marry rich to some sucker like you. You want to do that, go ahead, I don't want to invest in a girl who's had 20 dicks by 25.

Not wanting to marry a whore isn't setting my standards too high.

It's sour grapes.

>Problem is, you think you've found a unicorn and then become another statistic(50% divorce rate, 90% initiated by women).
It's not completely random. You do have some control over how this goes. When you have some emotional rapport you can see this coming you see. Most MGTOW guys seem mildly autistic desu.
>and what will you say to the guys that can't get those women?
Don't marry the wrong woman. Obviously. Do not do it.
>You'd be advocating mgtow for them I assume
No. Keep looking. Be skeptical but stay open-minded.
How do you know you won't ever meet one? And it's not that there is a fixed set of good women and a set of bad women, and you need one from the good set. There might be a woman right for you (and vice versa). Or you might become that after spending time together.
If you have issues you might have to work on those. Not just to get a woman, but for yourself and other people in your life as well.
Why would you decide IN ADVANCE that there are no right woman for you or that you couldn't get one, and swear them all off? It reeks of emotional defense mechanisms.
If you're completely certain that no women are good enough, the problem is you. You MGTOW faggots never blame yourselves for anything. You're completely blameless. Only women do wrong and there's apparently nothing you can do to make things work out better.

imagine angry people who vape but replace the vaping with not vaping and then replace the vaping with marrying and/or having children.

Am I MGTOW if I decided that I'm just too fucked up to get married and that it would never work out even if a woman wanted me? I just don't want to deal with or worry about any of this. Like, ever. I just want to play vidyas, code and shitpost with neoreactionaries and nazi LARPers online forever. I don't need a wife when I got you guys.

my question to you is why are you so insecure about yourself that you need to have a partner to validate your existence?
you must realize that there's a complete imbalance in the way the laws are observed. especially in family court. you know the statistics so why do i have to take the risk?
please keep in mind that i'm not a pathetic human being like you who needs validation from others in order to have his existence validated.

>countdown to divorce.jpg
>inevitably get cucked by Chad
>have to pay alimony for the rest of your cuck life
>redpilled
At least make the autism funny, you twat

>Wah!!! Those evil women wont fuck me
Grow a pair of balls and ask a woman out or completely remove yourself from the gene pool by killing yourself

>Don't marry the wrong woman. Obviously. Do not do it.
Great advice im sure all the men who got married knew that it was the right woman, then got divorce raped later.

>No. Keep looking. Be skeptical but stay open-minded.

Why? I should sift through the pick of the roasties, when do I realize "hey this shit's a scam, I'm going to stop looking"

>Why would you decide IN ADVANCE that there are no right woman for you or that you couldn't get one, and swear them all off? It reeks of emotional defense mechanisms.

give heroin a chance man, why would decide IN ADVANCE that their is no good heroin? Joking aside, if the laws weren't completely cucked I wouldn't be totally against marriage. But, getting married is allowing your wife to put the state's gun up to your head.

>If you're completely certain that no women are good enough, the problem is you. You MGTOW faggots never blame yourselves for anything. You're completely blameless. Only women do wrong and there's apparently nothing you can do to make things work out better.

any evidence for that? Truth is men put way more effort into relationships than women. Maybe instead of SHAMING mean try to INCENTIVIZE them to get married. There's few reasons and too many risks, the juice isn't worth the squeeze. You can ignore us, call us beta, call us gay; marriage rates are dropping. Men are waking up. You want something to change? you'll have to either change the laws or the culture.

I don't need a partner to validate my existence. I might want one because it's great to share your life with someone, if that's the right someone. I don't know if I'm gonna get married. Honestly, probably not. But I didn't decide in advance that I'm not going to.

>man up! be a cuck!
>if you don't start financing a woman, you're beta and gay!

no thanks

butthurt manchildren club

>is MGTOW a Jewish psyop?
YES
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INDEED

>you need to have a partner to validate your existence
Projection much? I want a family and there's a plethora of reasons for that.

No, its just men living their own lives without making bad decisions with money
Leaving tbe genepool is not bad whem you are not white

These men are psychologically addicted to female validation. Wouldn't say it's their faults, it's society. Any man with any self respect would scoff at the idea of legal marriage.

>most women
Most women I know function as nothing more than wet holes lol even the ones who work or have a "career" (completely disregarding the fact that they probably flashed titties to get to where they're at). What the fuck are you on about? I mean, I'm don't even hate that much on women but it is what it is

Get ready for cuck-tier responses.

>nah man, I'll just become a statistic

>there are no non (((liberated))) women left out there

or my personal favorites.

>Of course I'm an atheist and don't belong to any conservative organizations

>Yeah I live in the north

>So what if I live in a metropolitan area and restrict my dating pool to immediate locals

tldr; Conservative women are unicorns blah blah blah.

It's not rocket science. There are a ton of conservative women out there, they just have some things about them that many MGTOWs would find inconvenient, such as being religious or looking for a genuinely conservative Man.

The quality of women has declined a lot lately. If you care more about money than anything else, it is more appealing to remain celibate.

Anyone who doesn't have kids is Satan himself. They have no claim in their afterlife so they will destroy everything while they are still alive.

Pic very related

Nice try, roastie. Neck yourself

>everyone that keeps the human race going is a cuck and im too intelligent for women
Please kill yourself, you would do more for society by not wasting resources. Ill even send you the pistol and the bullets

>implying mgtow weren't already out the gene pool before they identified themselves as mgtow

>not getting married
>cuck
haahaha

No everyone that buys into the current state of marriage is a cuck. I'll send one to you after your first divorce

>You're completely blameless. Only women do wrong and there's apparently nothing you can do to make things work out better.

So you understand the modern paradigm. Look I don't know where you live but I live in the GTA and white women here are either literal feminist cancer, hypergamous career women (I ended my last relationship 5 years ago because I wouldn't leave my job and move to Florida for her job), mormon fundies (which I briefly attempted and never again) or fat std riddled white trash (which I wont reproduce with). Once I've saved enough to move if I can find a women in there I will consider dating again but I'll be more rural so I'm not even confident about that.

>There are a ton of conservative women out there
there really arent. its quite rare these days. your best bet is to redpill a liberal leaning woman these days unfortunately. all the good women are married young

I've already got plenty of guns and ammo. That disposable income though. One of the benefits of being mgtow.

You're welcome to come try and use your guns on me though, wallet slave. If the lady of the house will allow you, I mean. She probably won't.

>he can't control a woman
>calls others cuck

This
Some guys here dont value experience and still believe they can have a movie-happy family, truly people will never believe truth unless they taste it for themselves

I want kids but I really am not seeing young women who I think would make good mothers

Unless it's my responsibility to teach women how to be mothers now?

All you mgtow cucks show is your own insecurity and lack of belief in yourself by assuming divorce.
Inb4 muh 50% fake stat.

Why would a Jewish psyop decrease the number of white people taking out huge bank loans and replace them with people who think taking out loans is a Haram?

It seems more like general mismanagement to me.

good for you then. But you realize that there are people who just don't want that? even more so with the ways the laws are these days.
just how is that projection mate? i'm against finding a partner therefore i need a partner to validate myself? that's some weird logic right there.

Found the alpha male. If brad pitt couldn't control a woman...
probably less. anything more than 20% im not going to do it

it's over 50% and it's not fake. You are a literally shill trying to make me marry so I am forced to take out a huge loan and pay property tax to send Jamal's 10 illegimate children to school to teach them to vote liberal.

because when those people dont breed that behavior dies out

You are truely a worthless human bean, you bring nothing to society and mooch off all the benefits that your forefathers brought you. Please end it now or die in your lonely grave in 80 years. You will never be remembered.

This kills the white race. Also, reported for

>scorn and mock men their whole lives
>w-why won't you BE A MAN and marry me now that Chad doesn't want me?

If you don't marry young don't bother.

Do you MGTOW fags realize that men are more likely to cheat than women are?

beans are not worthless, they are full of iron and protein, fiber, etc. A good diet should include some kind of bean. please make you research before posting something so asinine.

You can't expect much from these guys.

They bitch about not being able to find a conservative women, then they realize the foot work that is required to actually date one and make that relationship work, and that they will also have to have conservative values, then they jump ship because they themselves are usually just sexually frustrated centrists.

What they actually want, at least 9 out of 10 times, is a moderate women who has conservative values when it comes to relationships.

Pro tip, there are no moderate women. That my friend, IS a unicorn. And thats why these dudes never find one.

women have been politicized. They are either very liberal, or conservative. So, you have to make the choice between the two.

Shit, ill go buy some beans imported from brazil

>Great advice im sure all the men who got married knew that it was the right woman, then got divorce raped later.
Yeah, frankly most of them seemed like idiots. Most people are. Some just lacked the emotional intelligence or virtues to make it work out.
And yeah, some men get completely screwed over through no fault of their own and they couldn't have possibly have seen it coming. But that's rare. You're supposed to know the person you're marrying VERY well.
>Why? I should sift through the pick of the roasties, when do I realize "hey this shit's a scam, I'm going to stop looking"
Overall it is, but if you find someone right none of this have to matter to you, personally.
>Joking aside, if the laws weren't completely cucked I wouldn't be totally against marriage.
Yeah they are. Men definitively should be more skeptical of marriage nowadays. And seems like they are.
>But, getting married is allowing your wife to put the state's gun up to your head.
Why do you keep thinking of a wife as an adversary, and not someone who loves you? Do you feel unlovable? I'm not trying to give you shit, everyone has trouble with that.
>Truth is men put way more effort into relationships than women.
Yeah, I believe so.
>There's few reasons and too many risks, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
But why generalize so much? What if YOU find someone right for YOU?
>You can ignore us, call us beta, call us gay;
I mostly think of you as autistic. Which is fine.
>marriage rates are dropping.
Yup. But that's partly due to economics. And also due to women's choice. They're picky. Men date "down", but most women don't. There's an imbalance. Those career women expect a Chad with a career just as successful as theirs. They wait and they wait and they don't get that. The media put high expectations in their head. Women opt out of marriage too, but don't realize it as clearly.
>You want something to change? you'll have to either change the laws or the culture.
Hence your little boycott?

Guys who are 3's think they deserve women that are 10's and are mad when they cant get them. Mostly because of porn.

Guys with no spine who make all kinds of compromises in their fledgling relationships and cant understand why they later feel compromised.

Guys that cant find decent women because they are not decent men. Instead of changing they blame women.

Guys who are terrified of relationships because their insecurity leads them to the conclusion that whoever they pick will ultimately reject them for the boogieman (Chad).

Guys who fret about what a bad deal marriage is to legitimize their loneliness.

People who fail at something often like to fantasize that they failed because someone else cheated or that they are too virtuous to win at an inherently flawed game that favors unvirtuous people. See occupy wall street.

Guys who actually hate women and see them all as used up slutbag gold diggers because they dont actually interact with women, just spy on them on their social media where the narcissistic ones prefer to dwell.

>appeal

it's a coping mechanism for bitter boys

Men build civilizations, women destroy them.

It's a bunch of losers who couldn't get a woman anyway, they pretend like it's their decision but it isn't, don't bother

MGTOW means I fuck all the girls I want but don't care a shit about them. As a wise man once told me my wife hasn't been born yet. Make money and take your pick of the best but never give them the upper hand.

>tfw not white
And thats how any argument with a breeder falls apart, god I can even rent a womb to have a whiter kid than me

AWALT

who are they cheating with? women? lol idiot

So?
I dont want to pay divorce even if Im the one to commit the fault

on one hand mgtow is:
>betas pretending they're going their own way as a coping mechanism

On the other hand getting married is a terrible idea, women in general aren't the same anymore, but that doesn't mean you can't get some pussy sometimes or even a decent gf if you're lucky.

>But you realize that there are people who just don't want that?
Doesn't it depend who with?
Is that still true though? Those stats are often made by feminist sociology departments.

>You will never be remembered.
Apex kek
Your grandsons will laugh at you and probably hate you for your far-right beliefs

>betas pretending they're going their own way as a coping mechanism

Comments like this reek of bluepill. What you don't realize, or are too timid to face, is that tradcucks are the beta providers. Not alphas. Modern womanhood's real alpha is the state. You are a supplemental cash flow.

When basic income comes around, you're out of even that job.

>literally "i dont want to be held responsible for my own actions"
MGTOW, everyone.

And why do you post this? I am just curious, why does it concern you that men drop out from the dating and marriage scene? Why does anyone really? Because it's "Normal" to get married?

What is considered normal has changed over the years, and this isn't some stupid relativism claim, people have shifted it too much to the point that others are tired of what their "Normal" is.

Hahahahahhahahahaha yeah ok beta calm down. Go masturbate yourself to sleep now.

MGTOW is a bunch of butthurt faggots who have convinced themselves that their celibacy is voluntary. It basically goes like this:

>i either can't get laid or i got cucked by a woman and now i am bitter
>why did this happen
>can't be because i'm a beta piece of shit
>can't also just be a normal part of life that normal humans deal with and learn from
>nope
>must be that ALL WOMEN are the problem
>literally all women are evil and worthless
>i definitely don't sound like 3rd grader when i say this either
>so now i hate all women, and i'm going to sit around on reddit and talk about how much i hate women with a bunch of other loser faggots who also hate women

Now, don't get me wrong, there are plenty of dudes who actually do their own thing and don't let women control their lives. But the MGTOW movement specifically is a bunch of retarded incels whining and crying about how hard it is to be a guy.

Damn. Good post.

Don't forget autists. They have a hard time understanding people. There's literally nothing wrong with autism otherwise, but that's an issue.

In truth the conservative bias happens through Sup Forums. If they were on reddit they would complain that the girls don't get the reddit jokes and are therefor not acceptable.

My genes aren't dropping out, they are being set free.

MGTOW isn't celibacy, tradcuck. You don't even understand the phenomenon you're attacking.

Its just a mislead, I dont have to fuck up my entire life for an error thag I made when I was 30, not even murderers pay so much for what they did

Paying any more than minimum taxes and taking out huge loans funds killing the White race faster.

More cost risk analysis if anything, the government has interfered way too much and it doesn't give much say for men when it comes to any claims against them either via accusation of rape or assault or even the divorce court. It becomes nothing more than a kangaroo court.

Mgtow = men who can't take risks to propagate

>lol you guys overgeneralize
ie: we look at statistics

for me individually, no I would ratter not, no matte with who. I understand not the norm but I there are other like me, the world is a big place after all. this is not the main argument for mgtow but the it's one of the reason one might be one.

young women who aren't married? idiot

I'd agree with that.

It always tickles me when someone wants to berate a strawman. Especially the women dindunuffin types that absolutely prevent any dialogue.

I am a depressed guy with lotsa pain in his body, I often cry myself to sleep and can't get out of bed because pain.

What woman will want me?

You are describing 1/3 of MGTOW tops.

>What if YOU find someone right for YOU?
I probably won't and I would still refuse to marry.

>Hence your little boycott?
I don't care if laws change, I'm fine with being married or non-married. It's probably not going to change

There are lots of benefits by playing safe, taking risks just to breed? What a lose of time and money

Because those problems are real. MGTOWs try to claim the low marriage rates as being evidence of their ideas catching on, but it's BS. Low marriage rates are caused by all sorts of personal problems. With both men and women.

None. Women only will fuck their way up the dominance hierarchy.

Cognitive dissonance. They've worked their whole lives to make a woman happy

Plenty, many women want to fix guy's problems