The pro-independence Catalan government, known as the Generalitat, is currently locked in a battle with Madrid over its demands for an independence vote.
According to reports in Spain’s El Pais, the Generalitat’s bill indicates its intention to move towards independence even if the Spanish government forbids it from holding a referendum.
Catalan's ruling coalition promised a vote on the matter would be held no later than September this year.
Reports suggest there will be no minimum participation threshold, and the result would be binding, coming into force within 48 hours after adoption.
Spain’s constitution does not allow for secession, and relations between the two governments have soured greatly over the issue in recent years.
What do you say, Sup Forums. Should we help our hermanos in Catalonia?
Brandon Phillips
I love hearing about this. Not because it interests me but because it's so much drama and never actually anything happens.
Tyler Carter
In 2014 they held a referendum where 80% of people said they wanted to leave Spain. Although Rajoy shut it down that's still kinda something
Christian Anderson
This guy is a fool and I'm a nationalist independentist This is not how do you things, we don't have the kids, the money nor the weapons to defend ourselves. This dude doesn't realize that half catalonia is andalucian and murcian and they won't never support this because they just aren't catalans. You can't demand independentism with only 51%, you should have at least 75 and this where we should concentrate our efforts. Making our state smaller, cuting spending, no more foreigners, increase fertility, small arms right, man rights, no more inheritance taxes etc Fucking gaylords and women, when this party was mainly and hetero this shit didn't happen, fuck women and gays so much for entering in CIU One of this fuckers even said that we wouldn't have an army, how the fuck would we keep our independence without an army? Fucking progres
Alexander Torres
>In 2014 they held a referendum where 80% of people said they wanted to leave Spain I wish lol That's not true That referendum wasn't real and the people that didn't wanted to leave didn't even vote. I voted btw
Kevin Young
Tell me more about these prime steaks
Christopher Peterson
Who the hell cares? They will end up in the EU (Greater Germany) anyway
Jack Hernandez
The EU won't last past 2025
Andrew Mitchell
>tfw hoped for a spanish civil war to volunteer in since i red Orwells "Homage to Catalonia" with 13 >tfw still not happend So sad
Evan Morgan
You will see
Aaron Torres
well this is what some catalan predicted in the sixties
Easton Sanchez
Sorry user, they're only in ney York
David Baker
This is why you vote VOX to purge Spain of lefties
Levi Myers
>divide up europe and white people more good goy
Daniel Wood
What would benefit Catalonia becoming independent?pls enlight me
Gavin Roberts
I just hope we get the hell out of this country, we'll eventually annex the balearic islands and way more prosperous than Spain, the country that managed to have 30% unemployment without ex-sovietism. A true shithole of retards.
Ryan Howard
Venice had a similar thing where most voted for independence. Most people only really pay attention to the Scottish independence movement though because there aren't any good films for the Catalan or Venetian like Braveheart.
Charles Lopez
I will kms of east spen gets seperatism
Angel Taylor
well again the problem lies with the fact that one of his members was a notorious anticatalan but I see what you mean Spain has to accept his real diversity instead of importing new diversity Catalonia used to be right wing before the spanish right wing tried to deny us our language Now we are in a mess
Alexander Perez
Oh, just like they did in 2016... and 2015... and...
Julian White
The catalans who have lived under an oppressive Castilian rule, slowly destroying their homeland for hundreds of years
Also the free market could use this new country as a marketing tool (new businesses, products marketed specifically toward them, tourism, etc. )
Jack Gutierrez
Their accents sound weird - like they talk with a lisp
Jordan Ramirez
>he never watched Land and Freedom.
Kevin Scott
...
Xavier Garcia
this book I don't know if there's an english version the guy predicted the fall of the soviet union and the eu in the 60's
Wyatt Hernandez
not in at least 10-15 years they'd need to go through the process and they'll probably be banned until Spain agrees
Xavier Wood
Apparently they do this because of a Latin king who had a lisp and they didn't want him to feel left out. Idk if that's actually true but it's what people say.
Nicholas Ortiz
I was in Mallorca during the last world cup. The catalans were in the streets partying because Spain got rekt so bad, there were a ton of fights in the streets over it
10/10 trip would recommend
Julian Allen
I think that's really because the Catalan referendum and ventilant referendum allowed non citizens to vote. The Venetian also had Peruvians and North Koreans hack into their vote
Hudson Carter
what does Italy benefit from being indepent?
Noah Robinson
Yeah, wow Mallorca. you sure now about the hidden places of europe
Justin Lopez
Catalans have given problems to Spain for at least two centuries. Don't worry, Europe is with Spain, so they're not going to get independence because no civilized country will recognize it.
Thomas Morales
>Happening Hope it's true but I doubt it.
Carter Johnson
Did I imply I did? Mallorca is catalan, that's why I specified. Go lose another war
Gabriel Allen
I can't see the EU actually collapsing anytime soon. I just hope that they go full dictatorship declare war on someone forcing all member states to participate along with EU army so the Anglosphere can BTFO Europe into infinity along with all the mudslimes residing there.
Eli Hall
Nothing. Balkanized italy was so much better off. United Italy is cuckded and garibaldi was a commie
Wyatt Garcia
That's why you impose your shitty language on everyone,dont you?
Eli Martin
first time I hear this and I was born here this is some bullshit some castillasn told you
Carter Carter
The president of Cataluña and his rats, they are not nationalist they are statist, they don't give a shit about catalans, only care about the money.
Adam Diaz
What will happen if seperatism is true? Nothing
Jack Bennett
Maybe they can take back manuel valls
Carter Diaz
Mallorca is tourist, nothing left of former beuty.
Grayson Anderson
You say that now but let's see what actually happens in a few years
If Catalonia doesn't go on with the vote and declared independence anyway, Donald trump will reocnfnize it and maybe even arm the catalans
Juan Fisher
> Leave Spain > No more Barca in La Liga
Luis Ortiz
Makes sense considering I was a fucking tourist. I know France, not Spain
Carter Murphy
BASED AS FUCK
this will lead to more and more separatist movements
Hopefully in the USA and Canada
Ayden Thomas
>That's why you impose your shitty language on everyone,dont you? we don't, 95% of tv chanels and printed press is in spanish meanwhole pp against making catalan a european language even though it has more speakers than most european ones if you are talking about the shops then fuck you, this is our land and spain should do the same in the rest of the nation it's a disgrace seeing names in chinese alphabet in the shops if they don't like catalan they can go to murcia
Jordan Morales
I learned it in history in school. It was only mentioned briefly but I questioned the logic at the time so I've never forgot it. It seemed strange to me that such a large amount of people would conform to one man's lisp no matter the circumstances. IDK google it or something it's probably BS but it is a well known meme.
Cameron White
Same with putin get retarded people to vote for them while they put a castro and rob wll the money blame spain for blockade, catalonia hates spain and never sees the indepentism totalitarian party
Kevin Powell
Interesting explanation. I had no idea about the different dialects until somebody filled me in when I was over there. I was wondering why the eastern part of spain sounded kind of faggy.
Dylan Adams
They'll form their own league, along with the banques and Gallegos
It's happening user, the question is when
Chase Allen
uk always talks shit about spain so it's no surprise leyenda negra you know
Jeremiah Martinez
>Complains about imposing language >Obviously wants to impose his
That's the logic we are used to in Spain. We had and empire cause we arrived first, but we proved worthless, specially from Madrid to the south, a deserd of semi-sand nigger, it's a disgusting country that had to be destroyed 2 centuries ago.
Nathan Brooks
good luck to you quebecois, I've been in Quebec, you deserve it
Elijah Gray
monaco plays in the french league dutch league will probably merge with belgian one andorra already palys in spain
Easton Ramirez
top kek bro catalonia is fucked without the EU gibs, in the form of ECB buying debt go research where Spanish debt is coming from. protip: catalonia issuing shittons of it this is yet another episode of "gibs or I leave"
Blake Cooper
THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
David Hill
>become a country >nothing happens Are you retarded?
Nicholas Harris
Mallorca is basically a german colony
Anthony Nguyen
Keep dreaming wanker.
Benjamin Thomas
>If Catalonia doesn't go on with the vote and declared independence anyway.
Tell me what could happen if tomorrow Texas declare the independence, will Trump recognize this and even arm the texans?
The independist are just delusional.
Jack Parker
>>Complains about imposing language >>Obviously wants to impose his implying baning one languages in shcools churchs, goberment tv and radio is the same as puting fines to NOT puting some words in catalan in shops
Elijah Reed
Yeah that's true. One of my fraternity brothers is a Baron in your country actually. I was there with him
Liam Mitchell
>we don't, 95% of tv chanels and printed press is in spanish give me a fucking break you can even get fined if not labeling in catalonian BTFO
Kayden Thompson
I like the Spanish. It's French and German we mostly slag off over here. My cousins are Spanish. My auntie is white and my uncle is full Spanish so they are half white and half Spanish. They have money though so maybe my perception is warped but I don't see anything bad to say about spanish people. They were robbed one time on Christmas though by (((gypsies)))
Jonathan Jenkins
"Country" All that will happen is no more government from madrid no policies.
Brandon Lewis
Yes,you do.You impose it in schools,forcing the children to study that shit in every subject
Levi Hughes
Didn't Franco kill off Catalan nationalism? I recall him saying that Catalan nationalism was cancer.
Ryan Harris
>Tell me what could happen if tomorrow Texas declare the independence, will Trump recognize this and even arm the texans? >The independist are just delusional. it's not like spain lost all their colonies for this same mentality or something why learn anything?
Benjamin Taylor
TSUUUUUUUU actually forced those fatfucks to leave spain, top kek.
Chase Perez
>Obviously wants to impose his You live in Spain moron
Brandon Bell
It is a dream. Why are you mad though?
Elijah Williams
So politicians in catalonia have no more fear of nationalists.
Dominic Kelly
andorrans are not traitors
Jayden Lewis
Cataluña es españa retardao. El idioma principal es el español.
Thomas Lee
Fantastic.
Time to genocide the uppity separatists and see who else is willing to be a hero.
Don't stop until Catalan nationalism is crushed into the soil, never to rear its ugly head ever again.
Good luck Spain.
Anthony Moore
>half white and half Spanish
What were you thinking when you wrote that?
Jaxson Bell
for all the catalonian larpers: answer first if you'd give aranes official status as language, and would allow Val D'Aran to secede if not, you're full of shit
Carson Campbell
by free market you mean jews right?
Joseph Perez
Cataluña is not a colony.
Stop reading españa invertebrada Ortega era muy culto pero un completo inepto en temas de politica
Jack Bell
>Siding with Catalonia. Yeah, defend those jews, my goy.
Evan Wood
They are spaniards just indoctrinated by poiticians
Logan Johnson
Haha not sure if just trolling or just retarded like most of his fellas. In Catalonia we suffered 50 years ago what Europe is suffering now, engineered inmigration, but we are fucking resisting unlike most nations out there, and we are not even officially one. Spaniards are just jealous that we love our own land, and that we defend it with passion and some fines, unlike them, with genocide, propaganda and engineered shitty mass inmigration. Spain will fall, cause it's a shithole that only survives by being a puppet of more powerful states, a litteral whore.
Aiden Martinez
That they look white and not Spanish is what I meant. My uncle has darker skin than they do. He looks like a Mediterranean man with greasy hair. They look like white girls with brown hair.
Henry Collins
Of course not dipshit. It's kinda like how yous guys armed us in 1776 against the British, but won't arm the catalans against yourselves
Ayden Cooper
Franco loved Catalonia since everyone surrender and he just walked into Barcelona.
>you can even get fined if not labeling in catalonian we don't people from labeling in other languages as long as one is ours schools paid by catalans shouldn't teach catalan ok We also teach spanish, hald my classes were in spanish
Nathan Edwards
>In Catalonia we suffered 50 years ago what Europe is suffering now Shit happens when you lose a civil war
Owen Reed
Huh, I need to read the rest of that book. Good to know that Catatonia is a bunch of posers.
Kevin Long
What the fuck fid they indoctrinate you with Manolo, you were part of spain state for 500 years.
Aaron Price
HELP QUEBEC
Zachary Thompson
>implying the fact that every person who lives in catalonia speak catalan and want it to be in schools nice try goyim nice try goyim
Robert Gomez
You literally fall for napoleonic latin american tier (((nationalism)))
Nolan Wood
>In Catalonia we suffered 50 years ago what Europe is suffering now, engineered inmigration, but we are fucking resisting unlike most nations out there, and we are not even officially one. Spaniards are just jealous that we love our own land, and that we defend it with passion and some fines, unlike them, with genocide, propaganda and engineered shitty mass inmigration. Spain will fall, cause it's a shithole that only survives by being a puppet of more powerful states, a litteral whore. true, we are already a kind of minority and we still exist and impose our way
Jason Wright
Is catalonia for or against eu?
Adrian Cook
>What the fuck fid they indoctrinate you with Manolo, you were part of spain state for 500 years. not in the same condition fucktard you mean the one that your bourbon kings supported?
Michael Stewart
That's 100% bullshit. In castilian spanish the "s" sound is pronuncied just like in english, while the "z" and sometimes "c" is pronuncied like your "th". Saying spanish people lisp when talking is as stupid as saying you lisp in english when you say "Anthony think about things".
And in catalan this "th" sound doesn't exist at all.
Andrew Miller
>The Civil War was Spain vs Catalonia
Mason Jenkins
>Catalonia >Losing civil war. But they actually let the nationals won. In fact, Franco was so happy, he exported all the industry to catalonia and made it one of the richer parts of Spain. Also, every independentist that is above 70 years was falangista in their youth.