He's caught up in this Hero/Dragon/Woman story, and wonders why there are so few "Hero" men today, and tells men to be the Hero. What he doesn't talk about is the Maiden archetype. He doesn't say "Maybe one of the the reasons there are so few heroes is that there are so few Maidens worth rescuing." He also doesn't talk about how women can be that Maiden.
Let's play with the story: replace the Maiden with a Whore. Why be the Hero for the Whore?
Take it a step further: she has not been kidnapped by the Dragon, but rather she has given herself to it. She loves the Dragon for his violence, she loves the Dragon for the gold it has hoarded. Now not only is she not worth rescuing, but she does not even want to be rescued.
Peterson needs to understand that eggs and uterus are not enough to make someone "worthy" of anything. Humanity spent a lot of time figuring that out, and once we did, we realized women worthy of marriage and motherhood are MADE, not BORN, just as Heroes are made and not born.
Maybe one reason there are no maidens worth rescuing is because there are no heroes.
Women will not change the world, but they will follow the men and adapt to their positions. This has been well documented and old wisdom, since it has been like this since forever.
Hudson Sullivan
>"hahha im consciously avoiding women, its totally not because i cant even make eye contact with one and dont know any women."
Ryder Ortiz
doubles of truth. Mario and all those Hero resucing the princess werent stating that women cant help themselves, it was teaching us that u have to earn women and go through hardships to get them
these mgtow faggots act like they are owed someones 10/10 daughter when all they do is play video games and watch porn... its fucking disgusting
Nicholas Nguyen
You people are so fucking pathetic
Ayden Hall
peterson even issued an apology towards mgtow for being to harsh god you are fucking pussys
James Turner
okay white-knight who clearly must be a chad. Why do you fail to realize there is a huge difference between incels and people realizing that marriage is a legal suicide pact for men these days.
MGTOW are right that marriage is broken, I want to see more white babies... the "man up" argument works on the individual level, but it's not a fucking solution. We must fix marriage and stop the disgenic forces influencing the gene pool.
Colton Turner
Why are you guys even complaining about this, can't you just go outside and find a chad? Besides, what worth are you guys yourselves anyway?
Joshua Miller
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Sebastian Carter
The maiden is often a whore. Its the truth. You need to realize that in this day and age most women are no longer maidens at 14 years of age.
My problem with JP is we are now facing unknown territory in some ways. I honestly feel not much has changed other than the fact that a woman can prevent pregnancy and women's lives are a little less in danger if they get knocked up.
The point is that if there is a woman who is basically still mentally a child then ignore her and devote yourself to someone worth your time. Go chanmpion yourself to some whore and maybe the 10th one will actually be worth your time.
You don't need to stick around anymore than she does. His augment is simply that most people are peasants and low lifes. Most women lost their virginity in middle school. Who cares? Why didn't you go do that? Whats stopping you now? IF anything you should be better off than you were. What are you doing? If a whore won't stay with you why would a maiden? You need to realize that for every woman not worth marriage there is at least a man equally as unworthy and its probably you.
Jackson Anderson
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Elijah Gray
It's like a mirror image of sjw tactics. The irony is obviously lost.
David Ross
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Carson Parker
seek sunlight immediately pinhead
David Robinson
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Jaxon Parker
"I dont have a gf because all women are whores who jsut like to get fucked by alpha men, im to intelligent to fall for there tricks"
*browses the internet 24/7*
David Myers
OP is right metaphisicaly but lets sluts be sluts men here in portugal chicks are prude af takes 3 months for her to open her legs
Aiden Powell
Oh damn, that's the most convincing argument I've heard all day!!! faggot
Noah Walker
stale pasta
James Price
Internet > netflix kike propaganda
Charles Nguyen
Great argument, OP. Now why don't you actually argue that point to HIM, instead of bitching to a bunch of faceless user's on a Laotian fish netting forum?
I'm sure he'd be more than happy to engage in discourse.
Noah Sanders
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Connor Moore
The mistake people make is taking MGTOW at face value, and thinking it means what it says it means. For some men that might be the case, but like with deals in life, if you offer a low price, people may accept that or ask you to go lower. But if you ask higher, you'll still get haggled down but you'll still gain a lot from the final agreed price.
Jason Mitchell
>be me love peterson >hate mgtow >this actually make sense fuck OP, but hes right
Nicholas Allen
t. white knight
Eli Gray
peterson is right, in an era of unrestricted female choice, it is all about attitude
Aiden Carter
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Jason King
What does it take to become this bitter about women? Is it lack of experience with women, or bad experience?
Benjamin Walker
all that the MGTOW story ever did was take the archetype of "woman" (actually "woman and child", significantly) with its whole complex of negative and positive elements, butcher it by eviscerating all of the positive elements and then serve that cold to humanity.
there are obviously serious risks to having a relationship in the modern world and there are elements of that that need to be reformed, but note that the cost of NOT taking a female mate and reproducing is that civilisation itself comes to a crashing end for want of any heirs. peterson's explicit stated goal is regenerate western civilisation through a better understanding of the fundamental stories. if you can't see why obliterating your entire race, people and civilisation over "dude fuck women lmao" is the most self-defeating and morally indefensible act possible, you're not paying any attention.
Brayden Young
That's the best advice they have for our brothers! SAD!
Carson Diaz
MGTOW is very of it but if Women are Whores Knight knowledge less, I give it a week
Ryan Flores
>I honestly feel not much has changed other than the fact that a woman can prevent pregnancy and women's lives are a little less in danger if they get knocked up.
You couldn't be more wrong about that. In fact, this is one of the most bluepilled things I have ever read on Sup Forums. Thousands of years of traditions built by the experience of our ancestors have been overturned in 100 or so years of feminism. And that's not an overstatement or an exaggeration, it's simple history. To suggest that male-female relations have only been altered by birth control and abortion is fanciful. I suspect, without actually knowing your heart or mind, that you're just 'okay' with all of the other inroads feminism has made into gender relations. Everything from women in the workforce, to women's suffrage, to no fault divorce, to the erasure of corporal punishment in the home, to the eradication of marital consent, to the obliteration of the dowry system, to, yes, the ending of child brides, has fundamentally altered our relationship with women. All of these reforms and more have tossed the traditions of our ancestors on the bonfire and forced men into social coping mechanisms to deal with their losses.
Male-female relations today are entirely defined by the new rules feminists have set for men, and men attempting to figure out these rules on the fly, cobbling together makeshift solutions for the problems feminism has created. Hence all "the game" theory and the idiotic "man up" arguments you see from tradcucks.
Joshua Parker
pass me the bong, i want what you're having
Kayden Sanders
>wrong about mgtow >wrong about continuing your genetic lineage >wrong about preserving human race
enjoy your nihilism self-cuckolds
Jaxson Miller
People who don't reproduce are failures.
Robert Nguyen
Right, but the question MGTOW are asking is why should they make the (let's be honest, a fair amount) sacrifices to save western (not necessarily white) civilization, when they are routinely backstabbed by their own government, wives and countrymen.
I personally plan on having 4 kids... but I can't blame those who don't want to play a rigged game when they had poor genetics and where raised by a single mother.
Jaxon Reyes
however lets take this "white knighting" further
firstovall... Fairytales and chivellty iS BULLSHIT and ONLY EXISTS IN FAIRYTALES!!!
SECOND- Knights were technically slaves, KNIGHTS WERE OWNED BY LANDOWNERS
KNIGHTS WERE PERSONAL MERCENARIES FOR THE LANDED CLASS AND THAT LANDED CLASS TENDED TO HAVE ENEMIES WHO WANTED TO KILL THEM AND TAKE THEIR DAUGHTERS
KNIGHTS NEVER WENT OFF ON THEIR OWN
THEY WERE ORDERED TO DO SOMETHING ON BEHALF OF THEIR MASTERS
meaning, if you save your masters daughter, he will let you fuck her like you already do with the other whores, and marrying her will grant you land and money from your master
BUT YOU CANT TELL CHILDREN THIS SHIT< WHICH IS WHY WESTERN CULTURE HAS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT CHIVALRY AND "MUH WHITE KNIGHTS"
Luis Powell
>We must fix marriage I am totally with you but something tells me "fixing" something like marriage is like forcing milhouse into a meme. we need to move forward to some new stable but still not degenerate institution. I know this isn't helpful but I really feel this is the case.
Jose James
9/10 post. This.
Isaac Gray
>MGTOW
Congratulations, you cucked yourself.
Dominic Brooks
Peterson talks a lot of shit for a guy who couldn't even make a son.
Julian Anderson
I look forward to hearing your plan to save the white race while kikes in government can weaponize the state and take away your family at will.
There are tons of things that need to be fixed, pretending those problems don't exist is cucking for modern feminism
Parker King
I specifically mean fixing the legal institution of marriage, that may require hanging some politicians though.
Jason Watson
>Medical Errors: 115,439 wtf
Parker Butler
>she has not been kidnapped by the Dragon, but rather she has given herself to it. She loves the Dragon for his violence, she loves the Dragon for the gold it has hoarded. Now not only is she not worth rescuing, but she does not even want to be rescued SLAY. THE. DRAGON.
TAKE HIS
G O L D O L D
Nolan Johnson
come back without her and your master kills you
you better hope the dragon get you at that point
Daniel Wood
Aren't they replying to a different Twitter account ?
Benjamin Richardson
mgtow is as dumb as if not dumber than marxism. anyone that buys into mgtow hand over fist /should/ self-cuckold themselves because you're a genetic fuck-up and it's better for humanity that you remove your genes from the human population. in fact, kill yourself now to save the crippling depression you'll have when you're 65 retired and have nothing to live for anymore
SAGE
Cameron Allen
you slay the dragon that turns all the women into whores to save the future
dont be a dummy taking it all too literally
Eli Johnson
The thing about heroes is that people all want to be one, they just don't want to sacrifice their lives for it. They want glory, without pain and change, without discomfort. The west knows convenience too well to change, fears pain too greatly to give rise to heroism.
We need to die so that we can be reborn.
Zachary White
historically wrong but what else to expect from an american look steel was expensive weapons, armor were hard to come by and only accessible to nobles and landowners nobles had huge clan families, cousins brothers who were the ones to protect the land
however in times of war, nobles from nearby lands would come and help, get lands, marriages etc
the chivalry code is real and was sanctioned by the vatican.
Colton Richardson
Are you fucking retarded?
Nicholas Moore
You're right but that doesn't change the fact that it's not a very enticing, romantic or graceful system and that we should pursue test tube babies.
Brody Mitchell
Bad experience
Zachary Williams
You are supposed push aside the whore and take the other maiden who is waiting for her knight that just left. Once you have killed the dragon and got the gold, your stock has gone up and the young maiden will give herself to you. The question is, can you keep her?
Joshua Howard
Be the dragon.
Kayden Flores
I imagine there's a sect of it that involves having and raising your own test tube baby isn't there?
John Gray
Good post. And other than "man up" there is no prescription from the social engineers for men. That's generally because it only takes a few steers to seed the herd. Men are disposable from their perspective, if they don't wish to be clydesdales pulling the cart.
Which is exactly why men shouldn't so much "identify" as mgtow, although i totally understand why they do. They should identify, publicly and unapologetically, as unrepentant pussy hounds.
"My sexual preference and gender identity expression is to fuck as many women as i feel like, whenever i feel like it, with no strings attached. Athough i don't specifically want to hurt them, it would take a very, very special woman to make me give that up."
Let the shrieking shaming bitches kvetch, no one wants to fuck them anyway. Shrug and grin.
Turn their identity politics against them. There's a hellbof a lot more evidence supporting pussy houndery as a biologically programmed default than there is for transgenderism
Tyler Young
I wonder where this faggot was 30-40 years ago when his own piece of shit leftist generation was fucking things up for everybody else. Pretty funny how just now he's coming out of the woodwork, just when there's money to be made. Really wish Sup Forums would stop latching on to any retard that says something vaguely right-wing.
Xavier Garcia
He already apologized for it but he's still a cuck who thinks not all women are like that. You're supposed to (((sacrifice))) and (((sacrifice))) until they like you enough to not ruin your life.
John Wilson
He is probably more intelligent then nearly half of this entire board. So kindly fuck off Reddit.
Justin Young
Jordan Peterson main flaw is that he's still kind of liberal. He's at the "extreme left is bad but extreme right is also bad" centrist stage. He doesn't have the first clue about the Jews. Once he Learns the truth of the modern era he'll be so powerful they'll probably want to assassinate him
Juan Flores
decent thread at last on Sup Forums good work OP
John Rodriguez
>unironically being a mgtow kill yourself my dude
Lincoln Price
>Which is exactly why men shouldn't so much "identify" as mgtow, although i totally understand why they do. They should identify, publicly and unapologetically, as unrepentant pussy hounds. >"My sexual preference and gender identity expression is to fuck as many women as i feel like, whenever i feel like it, with no strings attached. Athough i don't specifically want to hurt them, it would take a very, very special woman to make me give that up."
This makes more sense to me. Pretty much don't respect MGTOW if they aren't celibate. But if they called themselves playboys or someshit, I would respect them more. When they brag about how many women they fuck, I think about that they still use women to measure their self worth.
William Bell
You must be a whore.
Jose Foster
The problem is feminism. It's been a plague since the beginning. Women absolutely should not have the right to vote or work.
Jaxon Barnes
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Nicholas Evans
i think that only women should vote and only men could run to office what could go wrong? seriously
JP is a fooking legend (((they))) will turn him into satan cause he dared to point the finger at the problem just like many meta heroes in the past
RIDE THE DRAGON YOU ARE AN WARRIOR!!! GET ABOARD THE TRUTH TRAIN ALL THE WAY TO THE UNDERWORLD
LETS SAVE TRUMP GUYS!!!
Noah Torres
Yes thats what i'm saying. Doesnt even matter if you get laid or not. Publicly identify as something that bothers them. Beat them at their own identity politics game. I know what you really want, what most decent men want, is a relatively udebauched partner to be mutually faithful with who isnt a giant cunt.
But saying "i'm taking my ball (s) and going home will only earn mockery, so theres nothing to lose
Evan Clark
>what could go wrong? >seriously
They'll instantly vote for the most attractive guy who promises them gibsmedats.
Christian Baker
ok you got a point
what the about the opposite? >only men can vote >only women can run to office >what could go wrong? >seriously
Caleb Mitchell
It would be the same libertine welfare state mess we're in today, except more accelerated. Understanding why feminism is a pandora's box of bad ideas, truly understanding it, requires one to understand and accept the fact that women are hypergamous, and that hypergamy is not a social or cultural condition, it is the immutable biological nature of women, in any society, across all cultures and eras. Feminism is bad because it unleashes this nature on public policy, which corrupts society from the family unit, up through the nation itself. Women will always try to subvert the state and remake it in their own hypgermous image, which in practice results in a resource gathering and re-distributing central authority whose laws will bend toward the protection of resource collectors (women), as opposed to a preserver of traditional and traditional rights and boundaries, designed to allow men to pursue their own resource collection and distribution methods at the familial and local level as they have since the dawn of civilization, albeit in various forms.
Nathan Cox
see
Jonathan Gutierrez
See Tl:dr; women having the right to vote and work is pretty much bad for everybody and everything, unless you're a jew
Jackson Nelson
>point the finger at the problem The real problem is the Jews and multiculturalism (although the latter is because of the former). I would like to see him point to that
Nathaniel Bailey
It's about responsibility and power. Men had power but it came with responsibility. Women want the power but don't want the responsibility that comes with it. They are expecting men to carry all the responsibility with none of the power.
Austin Moore
So you're saying women are compelled to want to have as many children with as many different mates as possible? On the surface this makes sense from a base biological perspective and men could probably be blamed of similar desires. However we know that we have the mental capacity to see the benefits of monogamy, I wonder if it will ever be ingrained on a deeper biological level or if it's benefits can be taught to and internalized by modern women.
Ian Fisher
primitive tribes women do most of the work men just enjoy the position of power
Before long there would be an active program to only breed as many males as the society needed (and yes, some feminist theirists, backed by the academic establishment, unironically argue for this). It would be the handmaids tale in reverse. We would become like certain species of insects
Hudson Roberts
well i understand he does not want to be wacked by (((them))) but hes been metaphorically very adamant pointing out the snake in the garden i believe
Noah Parker
But I have already reproduced.
I donated sperm as soon as I was allowed to. I'm pretty sure that some lesbian couple is now raising my biological kid. On top of that the kid of one of my friends might be mine.
Anthony Butler
Definitely hiding his power level
Gavin Martinez
Mate if you're too beta to breed that's noone's problem but your own. There's a billion chinese though so it's not like your race will die out, so don't sweat it.
