How will the US economy collapse?

It seems a lot of the US economy is built on shaky structure. We keep on wanting to spend more, and Republicans of all people are refusing to balance the budget. We keep on accepting hispanic immigrants who are big net drains. Our trade deficit with China grows as we lose our manufacturing so we can build a shaky service based economy. Healthcare will explode. Pensions will explode. Democrats will inevitably take power with all these immigrants.... So how will it all collapse? What will be the event to start this?

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>So how will it all collapse? What will be the event to start this?

China is taking over through economic means. You tried to dominate the world economically and militarily and now people have had enough of your shit. You have created this system where China has an advantage, globalism made you and will destroy you.

I believe. The elites have sent our manufacturing there against our will. Eventually, China will de link the currencies. Then we will be just like Greece with more minorities. You need to recognize this country wasn't globalist until they subverted our country after WWII ended.

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>You need to recognize this country wasn't globalist until they subverted our country after WWII ended.

I do recognize this, and the moment you took up globalism was the moment you also because the most powerful superpower in history. Now it has eroded you and given the chance to harder working people who demand less (Chinese) to rise higher.

The wealth of Asians has been growing the most in the world. In fact, 2 years ago Asia pacific had become more economically powerful than Europe, the first time in history, and is on the path towards beating America, with China being the big dog in Asia.

economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2015/06/asia-pacific-wealthier-europe

According to this source, China will have more wealth than America by 2021. Don't blame the Dems only either, the Repubs are also to blame. Your 600 billion $ military budget serves to keep your global empire secure, with 800 military bases in over 100 countries, but it is very costly. Meanwhile, China will control other countries without even having a single soldier in them. America's militarism and globalism will be it's downfall, and it's gonna be a slow and steady decline.

became instead of because*

Dude chill
We've had idiot presidents for over 100 years now besides maybe a few
The us is only so powerful because of its geography. So long as its united, it'll survive

I blame the Republicans the same if not more so than the Dems. But for clarity, we had the biggest economy since late 1800s/early 1900s. We became the #1 military superpower with WWII. Ultimately we only had 40 great years. Kind of disappointing.

Balkainization is a real possibility. Besides that, some of the stuff I mention threaten to make that happen.

China has shit geography
It'll only thrive for as long as it has many low payed workers
Once that goes away it'll go down a bit and level there
Its like if the south succeeded and kept going with slavery, but once its slaves were gone it would've lost its only advantage

I think its inevitable, but no time soon, and reunification is also possible

So never? China ability to survive has always related to her population who breed like rats when there demographic need

Republicans support globalists, rich elites and corporations far more than Democrats. Reagan is the face of the worst budget and tax policies in the last century and Bush is the face of the worst budget and tax policies in the current century. Obama was stuck with the leftovers of Bush era policy and did a pretty good job of fixing things despite Republicans ruining his attempts to start a national infrastructure rebuilding program. Without investment in self the country will suffer and the there are only so many ways to entice corporations to invest in themselves as it's easier to cut costs for short term gains.

That's precisely wrong. It is called the Middle Kingdom for good reason. Middle as in midtown. On the great Euroasia world-island, its not so centrally situated -- downtown -- as to be the crossroads of all marauding hordes, yet its not so distant in a corner or across the seas as to be a backwater. It's temperate, not subarctic or tropical or arid. Its really very similar to Europe geographically. America is really too far from the world-island and long term it is destined to return to a sidenote like Brazil-plus.

We're not going anywhere. We'll be the sole world superpower for at least 50 years, probably 80 years.

When the U.S. falls the world will be in such a state that it won't be the only one to go.

It's a possibility but only in the far future. The divisions in the country aren't as regional as people think. They're urban/rural. And Urban populations vastly outnumber rural, even in "red" states. The real power is in the cities, and the cities, even in deep red territory, are blue.

Actually your economy before WW2 was big but it wasn't that surprising. I mean, you had a smaller navy than both the Brits and the Japs. The US before WW2 was only a great power.

It was only after WW2 that you became a superpower with a naval fleet larger than that of the rest of the world combined. Until the 1960's your globalism wasn't wide-scale yet, so from 1945 to 1960's those were your prime years.

China has uplifted more than 200 million citizens out of poverty to middle-class standards in China. This number keeps growing as the Chinese become the largest consumer societies in the world. Doesn't matter if China has shit geography, it has the most rare metal resources in the world for electronics and whatever resources it's missing is made by up it's soft-colonization of Africa and the One-Belt road spanning all the way to Europe. Once the vast majority of Chinese citizens become middle-class like in the West, China's economy will be rivaled by none. Fun fact to know, Apple has more sales in China than in the US, Western companies are waking up the fact that China is more profitable and are moving over there.

China really is a great superpower in the making. Plus unlike the US, it does not impose it's politics, force regime change, put military presence or try to destroy the cultures of other countries. Many countries will find dealing with China much more preferable and the world's center of attention will shift to the east.

China will never dominate because asians in general aren't innovators. Big shakeups and inventions don't come from Asia, they come from the US and Europe. You can't dominate anything when you've bred a country full of unimaginative middle managers who don't know how to do anything other than copy and swindle people. China's one claim to fame is cheap manufacturing and automation will likely put millions of them out of work.

China will not be a superpower. They simply have too much of a population problem to deal with. A problem that is compounded by their attempted (and still greatly lagging) attempt to transition to a service economy. Throw global warming into the mix on top of all of the other coming and current crises and you have a recipe for a deeply beleaguered Middle Kingdom. China will have a greater influence in the world, especially in Africa, but it will not be a "superpower" in the sense of Post-WW2 America. It's simply not feasible or necessary.

We just didn't spend much on military until WW2. It wasn't reflective of our economy as a whole. We definitely weren't a superpower for a while like you said. Agree with everything else you said.

If they become a service economy they will become a non-entity anyway.

The worst part imo is that the republican's want to keep spending AND cut taxes

Then act like cutting taxes will magically pay for itself protip:it wont

I've never of any of the stocks I own talking about how they wish they could grow but don't have enough money to invest

All these companies have massive hoards of cash in the bank and generally they only use it to buy back stock or do dividends when they get more

Economies don't just "collapse". Economies are built out of people, as long as the people remain the economy will.

For example, I know just based on genetics that the Swedes are always going to be relatively happy, wealthy, and advanced. Regardless of their economic system or any financial turmoils their country goes through. As long as Swedes remain Swedes they're fine

Burgers actually believe this

One day you're going to realize that you overextended and that you should've spent more money on developing your country. The whole geopolitical mess the world is in right now is directly the cause of Reagan's policies. Global Jihad only reemerged after Reagan's Operation Cyclone and the decision to push for the immediate dismantling of the USSR instead of letting it slowly rot and decay was a bad one.

Now Russia has been reborn and is cucking America militarily in the Middle East while China is taking over economically. While you put sanctions on X countries, you can be sure that China is the one doing deals instead and making money lol

I think America has at least 100 years left, but the world wouldn't be hurt by you going down, no since China will have taken over your role by then. It's going to be a decline like the Brezhnevian Stagnation, but will last much longer.

China doesn't have an overpopulation problem, but it does have an aging population problem, which it seeks to fight by having taken down the One Child policy. Sure, China's birthrates are predicted to go low and it will be surpassed by India as #1 largest pop, but China's birthrate will still be decent, at least white-countries level.

I see that you know what you're talking about. Indeed China has been transitioning to a service-based economy, and this has considerably slowed down economic growth, but let me tell you that what China considers to be "small" growth is still very large for countries like the US. China also has a global warming problem but it's dealing appropriately with this by becoming the world's largest investor of green energy and by phasing out coal. Also, I kinda agree with your last statement, the US was so above everyone else, but I still believe that China will become a decent superpower at at least the same level as the US today in 50 to 100 years.

Ah, but the suburbs...

Russian is a non-entity really. China and India are the actual threats.

Suburbs + Rural outnuber the cities in many states. Get fucked.

I'd be down to take in millions of East Asians. They would make amazing contributions and keep our economy stable. If we took in enough we'd be able to fix the male virgin problem we have and motivate our betas as well. That would be a lot better than America turning into Brazil.

You guys do realize if ONE BAD CROP YEAR HAPPENS. Massive starvation will happen in China.

They need massive importation of food to sustain themselves.

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It is more likely, China will never have lone, superpower status. Though 200 million have been upgrades to middle class, that is less than 1/7 of their population, a much lower percentage of the middle class in America. The overwhelming majority of Chinese citizens are country dwelling peasants.

Also, China's GDP growth has considerably slowed down in recent years. Plus, the aging population of the Chinese baby boomers are going to be a huge drain on resources.

Dude that's exactly the problem. In fact, the first US president to largely increase debt in modern history was Reagan himself. Guess what he did, he lowered taxes for the rich while increasing spending, which tripled the debt of the US. Trickle-down economics were a failure.

The US must dedicate itself to making it's middle-class as wealthy and healthy as possible.

Also, since you mentioned stocks, the article I've wrote earlier explains why Asia's wealth grew by a whopping 29% versus NA's meager 6%

>Where is all this wealth coming from? Strong performance by stocks, which now make up 39% of private wealth compared to 31% in 2009, accounts for the bulk of it. But it wasn’t just the performance of existing assets that drove growth; new wealth was created as well, particularly outside the rich world. Much of Asia’s newly created wealth came from entrepreneurs of mid-sized companies, says Daniel Kessler, one of the authors of the report.

The Asian merchants are rising.

>How will the US economy collapse?
imo when the economy and the government can't ignore the national debt anymore.

wow this guy gets it

some actual sanity on pol

what a shock

>US
No, not saying the U.S. collapsing would cause the world to destabilize. (Though, the power vaccum will be so large that wars will be magnified if for some reason international trade could no longer flow easily.)

I'm saying the world that causes the US world hegemony "great peace" to collapse will be one in which others collapse first. The U.S. has two continents and oceans of resources, generally, at its sole disposal. It really wouldn't take much for the U.S. to spin back up to full mining and manufacturing capacity should it lose its access to world markets. Whatever the U.S. couldn't weather, would be weathered worse by the rest of the world.

>Population
It is the aging population time bomb that I'm speaking of. It still hasn't hit. The best they can hope for is that this boom generation dies early. In 10-20 years China is going to have a ridiculously difficult problem on its hand even assuming that resources remain abundant and the regional politics remain stable (they probably won't as a result of climate change.)

Take China's 5 year plans. They've been trying to transition since 2006, but when 2007 hit they doubled down on industry to keep people which kept the party with positive political capital to spare. But it has damaged them as time has gone on. The longer they take to transition the more the difficulty to transition compounds. Basically every plan since 2006 has been "transition, but for real this time."

And for worse, the next economic crisis is due any time now if we got by historical rates which is going to throw even more chaos into the plan.

And again, climate change is not a local problem that one nation can fix. It's already a thing with momentum that will create permanent changes. All that can be done is prevent further damage in the future -- but rest assured there will already be serious disruption. And with a population for more than a billion that disruption is magnified.

Cont.

I deeply respect China's technocrats who have recognized the threat of climate change. They have realized the gravity of the problem and have taken the greatest steps of any nation to try to be the good guys in that regard. Kudos to them.

Russia is a military threat, not an economic one. You're right that it isn't an actual threat because your military completely dwarfs it, but it should still be considered.

Don't do that. We did that here in Vancouver and the chinks have ruined everything for the people. Chinese millions have come in Canada and are using our housing market as their personal banks/investments. They ruin life for all the middle-class citizens. It's utter shit.

Not only will the Chinks ruin your life but their loyalty is to the mother country, China. If a war versus China ever erupts they will instantly betray you. You Americans were smart with your Jap internment camps, but you would need much bigger ones for the Chinese.

Not a chink buddy. China has uplifted over 200 million people from poverty in a few decades. I did say America has 100 years left, meaning that I believe that China has a lot of time left before it overtakes the US, and in that time the vast majority of the Chinese population will become middle-class. I've already talked about China's economic growth and their demand for resources, which will be met through their soft-colonization of Africa and the soon-to-be One Belt road.

The suburbs and rural politics do not actually mesh all that well. You take a country boy and a suburbanite man child and you'll see how little they have in common, really.

not to mention that suburban population's children are all far more liberal than their parents. They'll die off soon enough, and so the split between urban and rural widens making a true balkanization impossible without massive disruption of trade.

When the US is 40% white it will start losing it's superpower status.

Chinese millionaires*

I don't believe the US will collapse instantly while possessing considerable power. Instead I said America's decline will be like that of the Stagnation Era of the Soviet Union, where the economy is growing so slowly and the large military is becoming too expensive to maintain, where a decline of influence will continue on for several decades. China may or may not deal the final blow quickly (Like you did with funding the Mujehaddin), but I doubt it would.

So you were talking about the aging population. I can't deny your concerns, you are right. It is a problem, China's median age is growing and there are too many old people now, and this problem will only get worse. However, nobody with certainty can say how bad it will go. Look at Japan, they have a catastrophic demographic problem, where their population has decreased by 1 million between 2010 and 2015, but they're still the #3 economy and are holding up decently. I have no idea how the population problem will turn out, but considering how authoritarian the CCP is, they will do anything to fix the problem, even infringing basic human rights. So my feelings right now is that this will be a problem for China, but one that it will eventually deal with. At worst, it will start immigration and become (((diverse))) like the West to increase birthrates, so it can't be impossible to deal with.

I also have no idea how China's global warming problem is going to carry itself on. I do know that China has become the world's largest investor of green technology and has put considerable resources into making sure climate change does not harm China, but really we can't predict the future, can we?

Thanks for the post, it brings up the point that while we may have data, nothing is certain. China's rise to power will be an interesting one, if it does rise lol.

Disagree on 1st part since they mesh well enough, but agree on the second part. The suburban kids are going to be some of the most cucked people yet. We are truly fucked.

The US began to die the moment they opened the flood gates in the mid 1960s.

Leaf, do you not realize the giant debt and bubble problem has? The only reason why China hasn't had a 1929 is due to its government manipulating EVERYTHING

you move an the factories to China.
countries stop using the dollar in oil transactions.
China makes a gold based currency.
China and Russia ally and become an adversary to powerful for the Americans to defeat.

>there was no single male millionaire in the 80s in China

that money was once owned by whites and was transferred thru globalization

the issue is that there is an ongoing organized effort to transfer the private wealth of western individuals to the newly minted overlords of the east...and that this has been organized and planned by your own gov't and corporations

enjoy your serfdom, tyranny, and wars

hina is the dream of the globalist. Full totalitarian despotism and pro-censorship of anything the government deems 'hateful'. Oh, they would just loooove China.

It even has all the starvation, shortages, famines, fake food and corruption they love too!

protip: Rockefeller created China

US Middle Class Still Suffering from Rockefeller-Kissinger Industrial Transfer Scheme to China

21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/31/us-middle-class-still-suffering-from-rockefeller-kissinger-industrial-transfer-scheme-to-china/

redefininggod.com/2014/11/chinas-complicity-in-building-the-rockefeller-new-world-order-in-their-own-words/

transmissionsmedia.com/david-rockefeller-china-free-trade-the-wto-and-the-new-world-order/

>Rockefeller (founder of Federal Reserve Bank and Globalist advocate) Institute for Medical Research, purposely infected human test subjects in Puerto Rico with cancer cells; 13 of them die

presscore.ca/political-assassination-by-cancer-or-induced-heart-attack

>first time in history
Reminder that Asia had the most people and the most wealth in the world until the European expansion. We are witnessing a return to historical norms

reminder that jewpiter has more wealth than earth

true. nothing is certain.

But how is China going to make sure climate change doesn't hurt them? That doesn't seem possible at all. China doesn't have a lot of arable land, most of their population lives in the coast, increased storm intensity + encroaching drought could seriously cripple the country.

china got eurasia, america, africa, oceania to balance out their lebensraum

>How will the US economy collapse?
Like any other economy ruined by merchants: deindustrialization

All I know is that it fucking needs to already so we can get this shoa on the road.