Rehabilitation VS Punishment: Who will be on the wrong side of history here?

When criminals in Norway leave prison, they stay out. It has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world at 20%.

Meanwhile the US has one of the highest: 76.6% of prisoners are re-arrested within five years.

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In us and canada it is great business to keep rearresting people once the system has a grip on them..gotta keep the prisons fill. They literally don't want anyone rehabilitaded

Then again, Norway has very few niggers. You might want to check up on those stats adjusted for kebabs.

How many blacks does norway have in prison

It's mainly because the death penalty is under-utilized. We simply need to kill all repeat offenders. You get one chance, then you die. Problem solved

North America has niggers. You think putting an impoverished thug up in a hotel room that's practically better than his house is gonna make him NOT hate the system? I dunno about that one Damo.

You left out the fact that murderers get like 3 years and child rapists get community service.

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You can't rehabilitate niggers.

France bringing the truth

IIRC I remember reading that Norway's prisons have a lot of minorities as well. Don't know the exact statistics.

Let's ship Europe our (((guys))), let them go through the immigration process. See how nice them jails are

Rehabilitation is better than punishment. You are punished enough to stay for a long time in jail until you eventually get out. Then its betetr for the public if former criminals are rehabilated and can work without being a criminal again.

Who gives a fuck? All violent offenders should be killed.
Fuck this country's aversion to anything even resembling justice.

You dumb fucking kangaroo - US prisons are full of niggers and spics, what do you think is gonna happen?

Statistically speaking, rehabilitation is more important for the growth and development of society than justice.

Those norwegian statistics will change once the number of non norwegians in the country increases.

statistically speaking if we killed all multiple offenders the growth and redundant development of society would benefit

Niggers have the highest re-arrest rates in the US.
Well, faggot?

Statistics have shown that killing multiple offenders is unethical, which is why we don't do that.

that assumes all people are susceptible to rehabilitation and thus we are to try rehabilitating all

heavy crimes or rich criminal history are indicative that the individual is not willing or able to change

as such when the carrot dose not work we are morally obliged, for society sake to use the stick

Yes, but when it comes to violent criminals that extinguish/diminish other people's ability to contribute there really should be no exceptions.
There's plenty of ways to make society function, we're not so desperate for solutions that we should disregard justice just yet.

ethics are relative, I have no problem with killing multiple offenders, to me it is not unethical at all. It would be unethical to subject society to known violent criminals

yeah cause being wrongfully convicted of shit never ever fucking happens huh.

and even with the death penalty as it is ,granted that it is small, at about 4 percent of the people killed were innocent which means the the death penalty has killed innocents so by like its own rule we should kill the death penalty and do away with it.

Since there is even a small chance that innocent can will and have died. The death penalty is lame and dumb as hell.

I believe in rehabilitation personally but im not naive enough to believe that everyone could be rehabilitated. And even for those that would legally deserve death and were to be rehabilitated some people don't deserve freedom depending on how horrible their actions may have been.


Like fuck why not put the worst offenders in a government run and not private facility. And put those fuckers to work at the very least to cover their own imprisonment, with those who deserve to be there and could be said to be rehabilitated getting more comfortable cells but still being forever locked up, and let em rot in there instead.

Cause until magic is discovered and can be used to tell 100 percent from then on if people are innocent or not. People judging people will always lead to false imprisonments. Since people are flawed and would be blasphemous as fuck to say otherwise since only god would truly know the truth, and even is against fucking magic so the magic option would be null and void even then.

wait isnt that that sheriff dude who buys pins and such from online to pretend to be like more than he really is by wearing them?

That's not a jail. It's a trendy $400k microapartment in the financial district of San Francucko.

>It would be unethical to subject society to known violent criminals
Which is why we should be trying to rehabilitate them rather than just punishing them.

Ethics are a social construct. In my state its considered unethical to let murderers live on the tax payers dime. We'd rather that money go toward killing them

That sounds like fake news.

Norway is far more racially homogeneous being mostly white. If the country had the demographics of the US, its prisons would look like Alcatraz.

rope is much cheaper, and you only need 10' of it at most

Norway has no niggers you retard. Niggers cannot survive in a free market society without resorting to stealing shit from others.

It also costs significantly more, if you compare the larger cost to the lower retention rate you'll find the American prisons are actually more efficient.

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Conservatism is the reason America is shit.

Why the hell should tax money go to prisons so that prisoners can relax and watch tv? They have been sent to prison as punishment for their crimes and they should be punished, preferably put to work, not given a life of relaxation and luxury.

Incarceration serves primarily two purposes :

1. it protects the public by removing violent offenders that are a risk to society
2. it is a punishment, depriving criminals of their liberty should be dissuasive enough to make them think twice before committing a crime

Most prisoners will eventually be released, they should be treated fairly as long as it helps their odds to re-integrate society. Those that can't be reformed or did things so fucked up they can't be forgiven should be executed or permanently banished. Foreign criminals should be systematically deported too.

No need to keep them locked up for 10 years to figure out which is which, it would be more humane and cheaper to manage that way.

Watch any Jared Taylor video, crime is caused mostly by certain races.
If New York were to deport all blacks and latinos and were to replace them with whites, shootings would drop by 97%, murders would drop by 91%, robberies and rapes would drop by 99%
Europeans and Asians produce low crime societies, blacks and arabs produce barbaric societies, latinos are somewhere in the middle between these two extremes.

Norway's rehabilitation model is also relatively new so cost will likely go down once we figure out what exactly is required to rehabilitate criminals, and what isn't.

The biggest purpose of prison is to separate those harmful to society from the rest of society. While they're there, why not focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment?

There is absolutely no proof any innocent person has ever been killed in modern times. People have been taken off death row for various reasons(some have nothing to do with guilt)but no innocent person has been put to sleep or electric chaired.

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"Punishment" just breeds more crime. Look at the US, where prisons are basically recruiting stations for organized crime. You get picked up for possession and in a couple years you're killing people in gang fights.

Europe focuses on rehabilitation and retraining to keep people who commit crimes from being in a position to do it again.

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Being imprisoned is a punishment. It's not supposed to help criminals, but remove them from society.

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Id also like to add that our prison system does offer various means of bettering yourself. Your still going to get punished though because thats the whole fucking point

They are these breeding grounds precisely because there's masses of violent blacks and Muslims in there.
You are a fool to believe that you can change their nature, where ever these people were on the planet and whatever time in history you pick - they always displayed this behaviour.
Even Turks view Arabs as a threat to civilisation.

Liberals love niggers as long as they don't have to deal with them. Facts are racist and some groups are ridiculously prone to violent criminal behavior. There is a reason niggers, kebabs and spics are over-represented in the prison population, they commit more crimes more often and only get stiffer sentences because they keep committing even more.

>permanently banished
You French offering to re open Devil's Island? Or is there a better island to use for an international Prison? Just air drop a few supplies once a month and let Darwin sort them out

See Thanks, I'll do that in the future.

>statistics
>ethics
kek

And even if they did, so what? Every system makes mistakes eventually. Just because they might have caught the wrong guy once doesn't mean the police should stop arresting people.

About 1% had slaves and atleast they served a purpose. What purpose do the sandniggers you keep importing serve Kraut? Do you guys actually like rampant rape and molestations?

It is not the tax-payer's problem to teach people not to commit crimes.

whatever happened to just throwing the prisoners in the dungeon

Penal colonies or in war time, penal battalions. People used to be based as fuck.

ya'll have some easy going prisoners. A fridge? A TV? Our inmates would huff all the freon out off the refrigerator's coils and figure out a way to make a shiv out of the TV.

The 13th amendment. It allows for slavery on prisoners.

You would rather have more criminals than redirect some funding from the industrial military complex towards reducing crime? Hmm... Alright then.

He thinks the 'punishment" comes from being in a dirty cell with no privacy.

Niggers. The answer is always niggers.

You fucking non-Americans make me sick, but I can understand how many of you grew up in ivory towers, well let me tell you, this is where liberalism is born.

No one grows up or lives around blacks in America and goes "Yeah, these people aren't the problem." NO ONE.

>alcatraz
>closed since1963

How about immurement?

> Immurement is a form of imprisonment in which a person is placed within an enclosed space with no exits. This includes instances where people have been enclosed in extremely tight confinement, such as within a coffin. When used as a means of execution, the prisoner is simply left to die from starvation or dehydration.

Ive heard people say we should abolish the death penalty because life in prison is worse. If you dont agree with that they will then cry about innocent people possibly getting executed. Following that logic we should put no one in prison ever because of the minuscule chance they may be innocent. It takes alot to get executed by the state even in places like Texas.

Niggers are the difference. Niggers will destroy whatever is in the left pic leaving it looking like right pic.

You could make an asston of weapons out of all that shit.

Well, I'm off to work. Some of us need to pay for all the rehabilitation going on.

Cheap, easy and will scare the absolute shit out of potential offenders.
Everythings gone downhill ever since we stopped doing stuff like this

We have niggers /thread

Prison is a new age cruel and unusual punishment.

We have to go back to basics:

1. Fines
2. Public Beatings
3. Public Executions

Don't fucking pussy on me about the beatings being cruel, ask anyone who's been in prison for 5 years and is about to do another 15 if he'd rather be whipped half to death in a public plaza, 99% would say yes.

>go on a murder spree
>get away with it without even hiding
Hm...

colonization.

Worked for you australia.

Now we take the prisoners and send them to the middle east or Africa and they build a civilization.

Norway does not have as many niggers

nice try amed but we dont want sharia lw.

France why stop there?

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Came here to say this

>>confusing laziness with efficiency

Sounds awesome to me
>Fly to Norway
>murder and rape countlessly
>get a free stay in a 3 star hotel
>free education
>free healthcare
>learn a new language

A fucking penal colony

Its because of gangs.

>history

it has to do more with the quality of the criminals than with the prison system in each country

unlike amerifats criminals, norway criminals are people

No one forced them to join. You reek of shitskin.

Hes also overlooking that blacks didnt turn into niggers until the government and welfare got involved.

Have you ever once read a book or watch a documentary on Africa? We have niggers on nearly ever continent and aside from varying degrees of wealth they mostly are the same.

>How do we solve prison rapes Harald?
> I know Bjorn! Let's just put showers in every prison so they can wash themselves. We can just buy off the shelf hotel solutions so this will be a cheap way to give people some privacy too.

I also like that they're pointing out that it's a flatscreen TV. THOSE ARE THE CHEAPEST ONES YOU CAN BUY FFS. They also have fridges because you can get a job while in jail, and you may want to spend some of that money on snacks or soda or what have you.

Essentially, Norwegian prisons tries to turn criminals into normies. And if you're used to a normie life when you're in jail, and you have the skills you need to get a job, then you'll have a better future.

However, guys, do you want to guess the skin colour and/or ethnicity and/or religion of the average guest at one of these prisons? The answer will shock you!

Man if I was in Sweden I'd go out of my way to get back to that cell, shit looks comfy as fuck

Criminals should be forced to work in factories and mills so they can benefit society while developing a skill. When they get out they can work a blue collar job and make an honest living?

Faggot detected

>Norway has all white prisoners
>U.S has all nig nogs and spics

Hmmmmm, really gets my synapses firing

Why should we kill """violent offenders"""?
It's a term with such a fucking wide definition you could drift a fucking train through it.

Also, do you really think that violent offenders are the real problem in society? It fucking isn't. That's Zog Media Ltd. pushing its lies again.

The real truth is that the average violent criminal in Norway didn't really want to do it. The druggie that robbed someone to get his fix, didn't want to rob anyone, he wanted to get his fix. If you want to get rid of him, go and shoot the fucking pakis smuggling drugs, and the white collar pieces of shit that finances that bullshit.

Remember that the average murder is of the type where someone walks in on his wife fucking someone else, shoots her, and calls the police and says what he's done. He's not going to shoot anyone else.

Meanwhile, remember Lommemannen? The guy who would make kids wank him through his trouser pockets? Was he """violent"""?
No.

Hell, let's talk about the most Jewish of crimes: Tax evasion and that shit. That shit leads to corruption, it leads to people losing their jobs, it retards the political process to get good things done, etc. Now imagine that it retarded economic growth. By say, 1% point of GDP growth. So insteaqd of growing 2% this year, we're only growing 1%

Well, at 1% growth, we'd be doubling the economy over the next 70 years.
At 2% it's about every 35 years. Imagine all the shit we could have done if we had twice the amount of money we have today. (After adjusting for inflation.)
That's money that (((someone))) is taking for themselves. The police don't have enough money to go after everyone that needs going after? We don't have enough jails? We have too many people queued up for hospital visits?

Well, all these problems are in part caused by people avoiding paying taxes. They cause far more harm on the large scale than """violent criminals""". Jewish propaganda I swear to God.

we need post-2015 stats regarding prison rehabilitation in EU asap lol

Seems like the nigger containment system is working just fine desu.

What on earth makes you say that? It has cheap but durable furniture for the cheapest TCO investment, the showering arrangement is an off the shelf thing, the TV is a cheap Chinese not-even-HD thing...

It's all pretty low cost desu.

We'd probably put prisons on Svalbard, Jan Mayen or Bear Island. (Population 50, 3000 polar bears). Wouldn't even need any walls there. Come back or freeze to death.

It's much cheaper for the taxpayer to reform a criminal than it is to keep them in jail. The whole reform thing is all about not giving a shit about feels, but solely going after what works, and paying less for it.

Why not just grab a knife from the kitchen?

IDK. Most African people I've met have been pretty decent. Then there's the Muslim Africans. They're kinda scum. And the Muslim Asians. They're scum. And the Muslim Europeans... You know what, you get the idea.

But the thing is, you're not going to do it, because your nature as a human being is not cruelty. That's why it works so well. You can joke about coming here and killing people but you're not going to do it regardless because you're not a nigger.

> Implying whites aren't a minority in jail
> Implying the criminal whites aren't mostly slavs

Oh boy.

The prisons on the right will look like more the left in less than 30 years due to increased incarceration in these ever progressive multicultural societies.

US prisons are a joke.

The entire industry is owned by cooperations and not by the state.
Cooperations dont give a fuck they want only the money.
So they reduce everything to a minimum, so they can jail people like cattle.
The other point is Americans have some of the most fucked up laws in the world:
You cant get a life sentences for possessing drugs someting no normal country would have.

And to make the cake even better cooperations were caught red handed doing deals with judges so they judge people to jail to get more money from the state.
Also they are obsessed with boot camps, something that will help nobody at all.

Instead giving jailinamtes professional help ( many people who go to jail have psychological problems ) they are trapped in a cell with other crazy people with no hope or future

tells us more about the whitest places on earth! Well, for now.

Until people start getting killed who have been wrongly accused and the government uses it as a way to legally kill people. Nice idea faggot