Am aware that different ppl r on pol at different times so trying to post this poll at different times. Anyway...

Am aware that different ppl r on pol at different times so trying to post this poll at different times. Anyway, fascism or libertarianism Sup Forums?
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Keep discussing ITT so this thread doesnt get archived too quickly

Fascism with some libertarian elements.

natsocs are always trying to conflate themselves with libertarians in order to lend their nubshit ideology credence. here me stormfags: we want nothing to do with you fags. you are just as bad as commies. FUCK OFF

>would you rather live under the oppression of a tyrannical government that enforces racial purity and conformity with the status quo or would you rather be a free individual?
Hmm... That's a hard decision

Fuck off and stop trying to divide

Which libertarian elemetns?

Government is obviously necessary, but freedom is as well. It's simply inhumane to control basic elements of human nature like speech and thought.

>libertarian
>friend
kek

Free speech, lower taxes, less government than classical Fascism, isolationist foreign policy.

Anarcho primitivism. I don't even care if I die when I'm 40.

Fascism is just the chemo you take before going libertarian
Freedom is the most valuable thing but if the people are too corrupt there is no point to it

Ultra-Capitalism

basically the best of both worlds. Private property, extremely low taxes (2,4 and 7% brackets) and huge in-group tribal preferences.

It provides room for all the based black guys too so long as they can compete with the native whites.

No one's trying to conflate anything with anything, it's a simple case of sharing an enemy

Ur a libertarian sir.
what is this?
Everyne in the previous thread was advocating for a cycle of fscism to achieve libertarianism and then back to fascism again when needed.

divide what? we arent together. we want nothing to do with you little stormfaggots. you are cancer, just as bad as communists

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A return to nature.

We are an animal and animals have habits.

>state of nature
so no society

society and culture is part of nature, self destructing cancerous culture however, isn't

>fighting side by side with an inferior ideology controlled by Jews
no thanks Schlomo

If we lived in a state of nature, we wud not have any technology or even language

do you have the one with the libertarian stick man trying to appeal to black voters and the guy saying "vote for me and you can have his stuff"

Pic related:me

Libertarianism is all about limiting mass control. If you fall victim to Jewish control in a libertarian society then it's your fault.

Caesarism.
Libertarian Rexpublic in time of peace.
Dictatorship in time of need.
For dictatorship is intended that the domestic political scene is freezed,no elections,no reforms,only executive orders which will be reverted once the crysis comes to an end.

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i'm not gonna argue semantics with you, kike.
i already stated culture, what you probably regard as a human artifice, is part of nature. Take the hint. If you understand nature as something completely separate from man then we are not talking about the same thing.

I posted this in another thread, but somewhat relevant:

I believe Authoritarian Right works best as an enabling factor for Libertarian Right.
Create order from chaos, then create a framework for freedom based on common values and understanding. I suspect the sweet spot is somewhere in the middle between auth-right and lib-right, creating a balance of law and personal freedom.

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Libertarians are borderline retards who don't see the free market inevitably leads the kind of corporatism we have now which is causing all our problems. What are you going to do to stop corporations from monopolizing government power? Implement government control's over corporations to prevent it? Libertarianism is nonsensical.

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sounds awfully exploitable

no. government economic involvment bring corporatism not the the other way around.
How corporations are going to monopolize gov power if gov has no power in first place?

please learn what corporatism means

this

NatSoc - no freedom for all, socialist collectivists , pro-government
Liberatrians- capitalism, free market, personal freedom , individualist

TL:DR NatSoc meme ideology which already failed, Libertarian also idealistic but works when moderate

what is wrong with my statement from before?
During fascism(corporatism) wasn't the government pushing the companies? Wasn't the government giving advantages to companies killing the competion,increasing this way political loyalty?

Tell em Uzbro.

Hey you fucking faggots answer me

>Fascism with some libertarian elements.

Lol, what an absurd statement. Fascism is in itself purely 100% anti-libertarian. It is like saying "I would like to be moderately raped in a free society"

They are literal opposites.

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False, Fascism is a broad term now, it's modernized traditionalism, it doesn't require extreme authoritarianism.

natsocs are too stupid to comprehend this.

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Iv never met an Authoritarian who has a philosophical base for their believe. All they say is "if we didn't have a large goverment things wouldnt work" with literally no argument attached. Can someone recommend a book that makes a decent case for the state that doesn't just assume the state is needed by default?

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Natsocs go into the helicopters too.

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absolutist hereditary monarchy

Off the top of my head, Hobbes.

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Look at the US. It started with minimal government, and the government expanded as the corporations grew and lobbied for more government. It's inevitable.

Provide your definitions or fuck off, toothpaste nigger.

>Iv never met an Authoritarian who has a philosophical base for their believe
t. man who never read any philosophy

>never met an Authoritarian
>must not have read books
Met a book have you?

Nah, they're really not. Anything that's not communism is better than communism.
t. lrg

This.
A violent revolution with fascism to purge the unclean, then monarchy to sort out the country, then secession and everyone that's left does their own thing.

Libertarian whenever it's possible,
Fascist whenever it's necessary.

What conflict have you won?
We have the American revolution.

Nah. They go their own way, away from us.

Pure. Saved.

+1

>stormfags
fuck off reddit

Where are these libertarian countries? Because it seems they all failed as well.
Just internally.

the only one has been america

nice

George Lincoln Rockwell is a faggot. Lew Rockwell all the way

America now has
>one of the highest tax rates in the world
>the largest military
>countrywide surveillance with little oversight
>many states you can't own a gun without tons of paperwork
>the highest incarceration in the world
>mandatory ideological education for 12 years at taxpayer expense
and it hasn't gone more libertarian for a long time.
Libertarianism is so easily subverted that it won't last for long, especially when a great deal of your population is urban.

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yea america hasnt been libertarian for a reall long time and were obvs declining.

You clearly are deluded about national socialism.

>flag.
So i dont blame you.

newfags should be banned on sight.

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For all those saying fascism is the transition to libertarianism, who decides who rules and when that rule is over?

This is wrong, Libertarianism is the means to fascism for white dominated countries.

exblain

Cut welfare, whites will quickly realize the need to stick together to make up for the lack of social safety net. Nogs will riot when they don't get their checks, probably blame the white man race war ensues, whites of course win.

So what happens after all this?

White ethnostate.

Libertarian.

Libertarians prioritise money at the expense of the people, fascism prioritises "the people" at expensive of the money (depending on the leader).

Libertarianism then? ya still need a government.

Both because the latter can only be achieved after the former cleanses the left from the country. This means book burning, executions, censorship, and education of right wing ideals for many years before libertarians can even hope to have a society.

Libertarian if I'm being ruled.
Fascism if I'm the one who ruling.

Yeah and America sucks

Right, but when does the fascism end and yield to the libertarianism? What stops it from eternal authoritarianism?

Who cares what governance or lack of comes about. If it's all whites I'm sure we'll make the right choice. Just to be clear the Libertarian stage would be pre ethnostate and the chain of events that would trigger the race war.

All of europe and america was all white and look what happened

No money is a false god. The core of Libertarianism is ethics not worship for buisness.

They let women and niggers vote. What do you expect wild happen?

I want libertarian social policy such as legalized drugs and legalized abortions, but also a homogeneous White ethnostate with women's suffrage abolished.

even by the 50s

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Fascism must precede libertarian society, in order to make it work.

A libertarian system filled with degenerates will never work.

How are we going to convince fascists to give up power, once society's cured? That's going to be the most important question (The Fascist question) to deal with.

Anyone who says fascism is objectively wrong.

Well I don't know, that would be a question for a libertarian.

>If it's all whites I'm sure we'll make the right choice.

Europe was overwhelmingly white in the early 1950's and it led to two world wars. And considering before that they were constantly fighting over clay the idea of a unified front just by skin colour alone is pretty laughable. You'd have better luck trying to unify people under a national identity than a racial one.

>civic nationalism