This will be quite long but bear with me

This will be quite long but bear with me.
El TEMPS, meaning The Times is a catalanist magazine founded in Valencia that's been always at the front of valencian nativism, defending valencian language (catalan) against castillan jacobins.
Just like all the rest of catalanists newspapers and magazines my father has always bought them.
He never reads them, but because he's rich he does it to contribute to catalan culture.
A year ago I started reading it and stop doing it soon after because it was all muh fascism
In Catalonia, fascism and right wing is seen as anticatalan even though wanting the catalan regions to separate from Spain because they speak another language is a far right ideology.
One language one people one nation basically, that's what catalanism is altought much more respectful with historic minorities like the occitans in Vall d’Aran.
The aranes language (occitan) is protected by the catalan goberment with taxpayer money, if it was for castillans it would’ve been extinct already.
Beacause the right wing from Spain always did their best to crash catalan, the right wing is seen as anticatalan.

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Wich is bollocks, as two right wing ideologies can perfectly fight each other and be separated from one another.
Everyone understands that right wing Germany wanted to invade Poland yet the right wing of Poland doesn't want to be invaded by Germany.
With other nations the difference is clear and it should be the same here.

But for this reason commies have had lot of support from Catalonia, as they were seen as enemies of the far right in Spain and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Also in the civil war, France and UK refused to help the spanish republic but the USSR sent money, supplies, weapons and people wich made the commies here powerful as they were the ones with power to fight the castillan fascists.
Of course they lost because of internal fights and at the end Catalonia welcome the fascists as the anarchist and commies were literally destroying the countryside, raping nuns and killing lots of people just cause they had above average income.
One of my family members was burned alive by foreign commies cause he was the one with more cattle of the town.
The Franco goberment wanted his corpse to be buried in the Valley of the Fallen, the resting place of the fascists soldiers but they refuse cause he was a republican.
Even though catalan was still spoken, the fascist goberment baned catalan in church, schools, tv, radio and goberment. With the opening of the country due to the pact with USA, the ban lost power gradually.

This is one of the reasons why some catalans seem to want to do the same with castillan (spanish) and that’s why some want to make only 2 hours of spanish class instead of 3 like catalan and english has in public school
These retards even suggest that in an independent Catalonia there would be zero spanish classes.
Keep in mind that half of the catalan population has spanish as mother tongue because of the migrations of the sixties in wich hundreds of thousand of migrants from the poorest spanish regions like Extremadura, Murcia and Andalucia went to Catalonia to work.
Because at that time there was no catalan in media and public school, they didn’t integrate too well.
The huge majority of those migrants who are now elders have lived here for sixty years yet they don’t even speak catalan, their grandsons do as there’s an overpowering integration process now.
The castillan jacobins for example want to make the national tv of catalonia in spanish but they already have a public national tv in spanish and 90% of the media and radio is in spanish.
The catalans on the other hand have no problem paying for the regional Vall d’Aran tv despite being all in occitan as we are no jacobins.
But we do have our jacobins as I told you before and these catalan revanchists as I call them are a problem cause with their actions they are pushing too many people away from independentism

But let’s get back to the topic, lots of catalans believe that a socialist/commie Spain would let Catalonia be independent so they larp as leftist. I believe the same happens in Scotland.
But one just have to look at the USSR or France to understand that republicanism and comunism can be as damaging for historic minorities as the far right, perhaps even more.
And with the support of left wing politics we now have in Catalonia alone 200.000 pakis, 1 milion muslims in total out of a 7’5 total population and rising as we do have a pathetic 1’3 fertility rate.
So catalans have suported lefties to become independent and now we will be even more of a minority in our own land because of foreign migrants
When I speak about this with people, they all seem to support me yet there’s no party that’s independentist and antimigration.

So the other day I open the Temps magazine hoping to see some kind of change and the cover was about the nordic resistance front.
“Jesus, another muh european fascism” i thougt, inside there was an article wrote by the director wich looked young as fuck.
He spoke in favour of comunism and against nativism, I was blown away. How can a catalan nativist magazine be against swedish nativism?

So I search the name of the guy on google, Borja Vilallonga is his name.
He’s 32, a history student, wich a doctorate in a french university and has worked in tons of New York magazines already.
This was fishy to me so I looked at his photos.

“Of all the sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these “#pol was right again”
A fucking jew, I should’ve know, this guy has more articles talking about Israel and antisemitism than Valencia or Catalonia.
Of course he’s antinativist, he’s a fucking jew, the eternal fifht column, a parasite, a wanderer, a nation wrecker.
And now he’s the director of the most important valencian nativist and pancatalanist magazine from wich he deceives catalans to support migrants wich will lead to the ethnic substitution of Catalonia
At first I was mad but then relieved as everything makes sense now.
Thanks you pol for opening my eyes on the jews.

>Didn't the USSR take all Spanish gold?
not all but a lot
>Arent Catala separatists mostly leftists?

I believe that was explained
Catalanism was always right wing but after the dictatorships of Primo de Rivera and Franco the right wing was seen as anticatalan and the commies get huge support as they sold themselves as the only ones with strength to fight the spanish right wing wich in turn has fill our cities with migrants

>Some of them even desecrate the Catala flig with its great legend by drawing that Cuban-like communist star.
that star is not commie in origin, the star has it's origins in the american independentist war
USA has those stars because of that and when the colonies of america became independent, lots of them put a star on their flag to represent that.
The fag that Cuba is commie doesn't mean the flag is.

kek,pol is always right
marxist jews are the wrost being alive.
i hope spain will do well

There were 2 powerful catalan parties, La Lliga, the league wich was catalanist right wing and ERC, Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya, meaning republican left from Catalonia.
They are the ones that won in the elections during the 30's and proclaimed a separated catalan republic wich was the major reason of the fascists coup d'etat in Spain
After Franco we had CIU wich was democristians catalanist and heirs of La Lliga Catalana and ERC
CIU mean Convergencia i Unio Converegence and Union, Union was catholic so they got separated
Now ERC and C go together cause they are both independentist
Convergencia has had lots of corrupt cases so now they changed the name, they were right wing ans now cuckservatives and lefties in migration and things like that
And there's another party that's commie feminist promuslim and catalanist called CUP They don't have huge suport but the media always promotes them

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Sorry, I accidentally deleted my post while deleting a poorly spelled post in another thread

Ah ok I was already blaming the moderation

No, I use a shitty touchscreen and it reacts very slowly. BTW, how relevant is the Catalan language in everyday matters?

>relevant
Not relevant at all. Hardly spoken and less with each passing day.

10 milion of speakers, more than danish or swedish
88h position in the world but in internet it's in the top 20

And here we have the average castillan jacobin,
With a 1'4 fertility rate and milions of foreigners enetring each day, all he cares is when the catalan will be extinc.
That's like the sole purpouse of spanish nationalism this day an age

>how relevant is the Catalan language in everyday matters?
in catalonia very relevant
our uni is in catalan, even with erasmus students

>average castillan jacobin
First things first, I am from Gerona and I have always lived here, I haven't even visited Madrid once.

Second, why do you think I am castillian?

Third, define "castillian jacobin".

puta españa gora eta
catalunya comunista ja

thats bullshit one student asks the class to be in spanish and it will be

>"castillian jacobin".
jacobins from the french revolution that wanted all the nation to be the same
castillan jacobin is what the spanish nationalism turn into after the bourbons
wich means that all spain should speak the same languge (castillan)
>I am from Gerona
And you are telling me that catalan is not relevant in Gerona? When all the kids speak catalan, even the negroes?

>thats bullshit one student asks the class to be in spanish and it will be
not in mine

Left or right wing, catalan nationalists are a vermin that must be erased.

>puta españa gora eta
>catalunya comunista ja
quan catalunya sigui comunista ja no serà catalana
comunisme es globalisme, en un mon global sense fronteres els catalans ens extingiriem
ets un traidor
gora eta? t'oblides dels morts de l'hipercor, els vascos mai han fet res per nosaltres, ets un traidor i un fill de puta, comunista de merda

I did not say that. I meant that in our country it is not relevant.

Also, are you antifascist?

That's interesting, I only saw some tv stations in Catalan, it sounds interesting, a bit like French, but not exactly.

As for that flag - I meant that it's very old and adding some "modern" elements is simply strange, it doesn't fit neither coloristically and historically (I mean that cool legend about a count who was wounded and marked a golden shield or something using his fingers covered in blood - I could mistake something), even if I made a mistake calling that star "communist".
Guys, don't fight, por favor.

well you are wrong then, you are defeatist
>Also, are you antifascist?
of course not

>As for that flag - I meant that it's very old and adding some "modern" elements is simply strange, it doesn't fit neither coloristically and historically (I mean that cool legend about a count who was wounded and marked a golden shield or something using his fingers covered in blood - I could mistake something), even if I made a mistake calling that star "communist".
personally I don't like it I prefer the normal one but some dumbasses now say that if you wave that one then you are not an independentist
we do have lots of dumbasses as you can see
and yes that's a cool legend btw

Cuban american here, regarding flag i think the catalans adopted in part because of the amount of catalans that lived in cuba. This is way before castros revolution, this happened during the cuban war of independence iirc

Estic totalment d'acord amb tu, és un traïdor per estar a favor dels terroristes feixistes.

no, castillan jacobinist is the vermin that has destroyed this nation for the last three centuries
even though spain lost all their colonies out of this same autism, you still continue to do the same
shameful really

Finish Sagrada Familia construction.

With the money we keep wasting in execrable bullshit I do not think that is happening anytime soon.

also this

>adopted in part because of the amount of catalans that lived in cuba
this is also true, there were lot's of them and lots of them died too in the war against USA
in fact one of our folklore famous songs talks about that

youtube.com/watch?v=zkgTT1wKY4E

the second one called "my grandpa"

As you see the first is in spanish and we don't have any problem speaking it, the ones that have a problem are the castillan jacobins

now that you mention our commie feminist mayor has stoped the construction of one of the sides

it's already paid but it takes time, it's not steel

One more thing - some Murican millioner wanted to build a skyscrapper designed by Gaudi - Hotel Attraction, unfortunately the project was abandoned.

There's no such thing as castillian jacobinism.

>castillan jacobins
Leyenda negra and pure propaganda. All my castillian friends have no problem with the catalan language, as it should be.

>skyscrapper
skyscraper, desculpe

yes it is, is just that we know with another name, spanish nationalism.
the desire of centralization and homogeneization in a nation, that's what jacobinism is

so that's why PP tries to make catalan 8 diferent languages to cut it from having any kind of future? lapao for example? is that why there was no catalan in public schools and goberment during Franco?
The reason why PP was against making catalan an european language even if it has more speakers than danish wich is an european language?
Your friends are nobodys, they do not rule shit, their opinions are irrelevant.
I also know spaniards that have no problem with catalan, doesn't mean they are the majority or the others don't exist

I think that was more of a vision, not an actual project and I don't really see how it could've fit in NY, would've been great here though.

Any Spainbros down for a quick recap to how the Catalan situation evolved since last september? We really don't hear much about it except for that month

Spanish government regulation aside, would the majority vote for independence if the referendum was to happen now?

I was speaking about the present. Those mistakes by the fascists of the past should not be fixed doing the exact same thing the other way around. How is it that there is hardly any castillian on our public television? Why isn't castillian side by side on the roas and street signs? Why isn't castillian as predominant as my other language here?

*blocks your path*

>Only 38% of approval for independence

YOU ARE A FUCKING JOKE CATALUFOS DE MIERDA

They can't get the 50% they need.

Yes, it was on a very early stage of development, several sketches, basically, so the word "vision" is much better, in this case.

We barely have more than 50%, it's more of a bluff unfortunately
Know that the catalanist party only wanted a slightly better financial deal for Catalonia but the spanish president even refuse to talk about it.
This is when they start demanding for independentism.
The spanish goberment knows that the EU is going to cut the gibs to spain cause eastern europe is poorer
Catalonia wanted to give less gibs so the spanish goberment panic as the economic model of Spain south relies on eternal gibs

Please do remember that most of us are not independentists and we are all Spaniards.

This is a Galician thread now

>How is it that there is hardly any castillian on our public television?
Cause catalans already pay with taxes for a full castillan national tv called TVE and other than 8tv the rest are in spanish and even the movies of 8tv are ins spanish
What you are demanding that one of the two chanels out of 50 that are not in catalan to be in spanish too, what you want is catalan cultural genocide
>Why isn't castillian side by side on the roas and street signs?
Like what? Barcelona, Barcelona?

Thanks lads

You guys think there will be some sort of escalation before upcoming september 11th?

Galician renaissance nationalism when

>we are all Spaniards.
doesn't mean we have to be in the same nation under the rule of a bourbon king though
portuguese are also spaniards as they are from Hispania and were part of the Iberian Union

Sharing with the rest of our country is basic patriotism and solidarity, amic.

I´m working on in pal, but it takes time. As of now, I´m looking for russian investments. If they help us with independence, we´ll let them build a military base on our territory.

>ou guys think there will be some sort of escalation before upcoming september 11th?
there can't be non as we don't have guns in Spain thanks to ETA and we stoped having military training in the 80's wich i think was a mistake
Any confrontantion would be a disaster for Catalonia
We now have too many numales

>catalan cultural genocide
That is preposterous, I will never quit being a catalan and speaking castillian and catalan no matter what. Our culture and traditions are not in risk for they all form part of Spain and that is what makes this country so interesting.

Is there any strong movement at the moment, or anything growing? Also is there currently some internet presence for your groups? I swear it's fucking hard to find fresh info on Galician movements without living there

Real diversity doesn't interest (((them)))

I see, thanks for the rundown hermano

Sharing? While they try to undermine us evertime they can? You mean having to give more than we receibe and then not investing in the infrastructure that will benefit all spain because it would benefit us more?
You mean having to pay so that every kid in extremadura have a computer when we have none per class?
And evertyme there's an election in the regions that get our money the one politician that insults us more wins?
NO the gibs economy have to end, it's not benefitial for those regions either.
Almeria does fine for example, they should ask them where did they do good and copy instead of asking for eternal gibs.

>thats bullshit one student asks the class to be in spanish and it will be
Erasmus student in Barcelona here. I asked for it and they delivered. I want to learn Spanish not Cataniggian

It´s coopted by the fucking commies. I need to set some right wing nationalism, but, as I said, it takes time and money.

Not at risk?

La Plataforma per la Llengua i la Fundació Vincle llancen avui un vídeo que explica el cas excepcional de la llengua catalana a la Unió Europea: youtube.com/PlataformaxLlengua. El vídeo denuncia que totes les llengües de dimensions similars a la catalana ja són oficials de la Unió. El català és un cas excepcional per voluntat expressa dels respectius governs espanyols, tant del PP com del PSOE. La Plataforma per la Llengua considera denigrant i vexatori el tracte vers els ciutadans dels successius governs espanyols i demana a la UE que no permeti que l'Estat espanyol discrimini els seus ciutadans.

Des d'avui el serbocroat (o croat) és llengua oficial de la Unió Europea. El croat té 4,4 milions de ciutadans a Croàcia, dels quals vora 4 milions en són parlants habituals. En canvi, el català, que té gairebé 10 milions de persones, i que és parlat en un domini lingüístic on hi viuen més de 13 milions de persones, no ho és. El croat és oficial perquè Espanya, juntament amb els altres països de la Unió Europea, va votar perquè així ho fos, mentre que el català no és oficial perquè els successius governs espanyols, tant del PP com del PSOE, l'han vetat de manera reiterada.

>I want to learn Spanish not Cataniggian
you just want to fuck don't lie

I'm always surprised to see independence movements aligning themselves to any ideology and thus weakening the whole movement.

Wouldn't it be way easier to work together for the common thing and then kill each other once that goal is reached?

>It´s coopted by the fucking commies. I
fuck it's the same in every region huh?

My Spanish is B 2.2

I also want to fuck. So?

My Spanish friends have good luck with Erasmus girls and I have good luck with Spanish girls since I'm from Northern Europe

It's what I told you, if PP didn't veto catalan being an european language, or making up that there's no catalan and just 8 diferent languages to cut the funding of all of them or just say that they would tried to make a better financial deal after the crisis we wouldn't have this crisis.
But the castillan autism is a strong one

>not investing in the infrastructure that will benefit all spain
They do not do it because we are in a huge economic crisis and we are ruled by the worst political party Spain has ever seen.

When we get better economically speaking (which we haven't) then we can finally build the most needed infrastructure.

Erasmus is a huge mistake altogether

Man, I always have seen Catalan independence as a joke, I mean you guys are still going to be in the EU along with Spain. You will be even more irrelevant on the world's stage, and you will embrace the kind of politics that get's your own nationality overrun in the span of 50 years.

Pretty sad.

>Erasmus is a huge mistake altogether

Yeah. Oh well. I like the city and Spaniards are great people so it's worth it for me.

I just don´t trust them, it´s a family thing.

I know m8, I was talking about the Galician one in that case though. They seem to be much more corrupted by the commies than Catalonia.

Please don't say this, I'm shy as hell in my home country and every time I leave for another country as a student or anything I fuck like crazy, to the point I once couldn't get a boner anymore after two weeks in Milan.

We wouldn't have a huge economic crisis if Spain didn't have decided to make this stupid regional division just to diminish the existence of the historic regions

I understand. In the case of the independence movement growing again though, would you consider allying with groups from the other side just to get the final steps done? Like getting together for the time of the referendum

This is the map of Spain with the Autonomous Comunities
Mind you inside there are miniregions called provincias wich have their own goberments called diputaciones that are separated from the autonomus comunity
And in Catalonia we even have comarcal goberments inside the provinces
A huge burocratic mess that we should get rid off

>regional division
They already existed before 1978 in fuction with the christian realms in the reconquista, it was just redefined. It was not made to diminish our region, it was for administrative reasons for hell's sake.

Quit believing all the independentist propaganda.

How does this all even matter? The only independance movements that mattered had armed conflict, due to their hosts completely losing influence over them.

You guys are going to be cucked by the EU anyway, why does it matter?

Someone proud of being Spanish like you is a sight to behold.

I suppose i could, for the sake of my country. But this are complex matters, and need to be well planned and executed, and you can´t trust commies for that.

not the same
there's no need for diputaciones existing in paralel with autonomous comunities
And lots of autonomous comunities have to disappear and join a bigger one you burocrat bootlicker

>The only independance movements that mattered had armed conflict
Except Kosovo

Sure we can't, I'm just curious as whether people on the more extreme side would *theoretically* mind going together for the main goal. In any case I wish you the best luck irmao

you really belive cantabria riooja or madrid was a separated comunity before Catalans asking for autonomy? lel

We conquered America and became the world´s first global superpower. Of course I´m proud. But times change, and I think we could try to go on our own.
Obrigado, southern irmao.

I'm from ripollet originally and do non Cataluña Spaniards find catalán ugly? I hated using it because I sounded retarded

>10 million
Come on man! 6 million catalan, 1.5-2 million andalusians, extremeños or murcianos that doesn't speak it (young ones too)
Franja de ponent? 50k pop, not all of them speak catalan. Valencia and Balearic islands 5 million+1.2million. In valencia half of the people doesn't speak valencià, in Balearic Islands less than 50%.
Best: 8 million, and don't give me data from Omnium cultural or Ara. I speak catalan, i love catalan and his literature and culture, but enough bullshit. It have more speakers than danish, finish, norwegian? Yes, but funded by Generalitat.
How old are you? I had 5 different educative legislations, fuck that. We need a final and definitive educative law, for all Spain.
I agree with you, castilians be like: i'm castilian and i'm spanish, then all spanish must be like castilians. And fuck that, Rey de las Españas and muh Fernando de Aragón.
Catalan gov: we have one country with 200.000 million loan for us, i thought it was China, fuck no, it's Israel Sup Forums is always right!
Catalan gov: If we get 50% plus 1 vote, we declare independance. They want tanks on the diagonal street only to whine to international community. Fuck that, i respect ERC they has been always independentist, i'm not agree but it's what they believe and they stick to it. But fuck Convergencia, when shit hits the fan in the court, they want independence.

>I think we could try
Come on, do not even think about it. We are all patriots and Spanish nationalists we do not betray our own. We already have huge problems with Islam, immigration, economic crisis... precisely now we must unite, close borders around Spain and prevail.

Y sin diputatciones
Esto sí que sería recortes

Fuck off and integrate you dago spic

That was the culmination of Albanians fucking like niggers, anyway maybe half the world recognises them and if you acknowledge the legitimacy of their state you are also acknowledging the legitimacy of the state of isreal Achmed.

Either way this isn't the point. How is a Catalan separatist movement even relevant in 21st century europe?

>50% plus 1 vote
Also that is awful. It should be at least 75% plus 1 vote and without all the fascist propaganda I have to suffer as a catalan (and the rest of Spain).

Convergencia changed his president and put again the inheritance tax just to make a deal with ERC and go together in the elections
And what did ERC do in return? To vote against them in the biggest cities of Catalonia, Barcelona and Badalona, they supported Podemos instead
Our capital, not in the hands of independentists, that's what ERC has done
Bunch of backstabers

>Either way this isn't the point. How is a Catalan separatist movement even relevant in 21st century europe?
Why should it be relevant for us? If they want to be independent it's their choice and it only has to be relevant for them and at most the countries surrounding them. And like you said, it doesn't change that much in Europe, so let them do whatever they want m8.

I know this is Sup Forums but ffs there's no need to be retarded in every single post

I´m sick of moors and jewish/catalonian SJW. Give me a good reason to stay in this country.