Spainbros: is it happening?

Spainbros: is it happening?

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Right after Scotland

What is?

yup. they will both inevitably break away and leave the other country in shambles.

Catalonia wants independence from Spain
Rajoy, the current president of the government, also wants it,
Catalan independence gives votes to his corrupt party (PP)

Nah, last time (((they))) tried it didn't end up too good.
It's all tied and well tied.
I'm Catalan and nothing scares me most than our own breed of (((politicians))).

Spain already has a barely relevant economy,what good would come from secession? Aren't most catalonian separatists commies who want to turn Catalonia into Venezuela? Not being smug, I'm actually asking

A bankrupt country having a fire sale. Whoopitee doo

Why go for independence, only to sell it to the EU?

Gibs

Gotta red pill the thread, draw your own conclusions.

Grandma is from Barcelona, if they make it I might just push for my citizenship since it'll be finally worth something.

Another good reason to stay with the rest of las Españas...

Don't worry, I'd never move to a shithole like Spain even if I did have my citizenship. If anything it would be just to make it easier to conduct my business in the Eurozone.

conclusions

wtf is this shit,remove them

That meant that is never going to happen.

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No, and even if it happened we are beyond repair so I don't care.

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Someone explain this to me:

It's my understanding that Catalans demand absolute assimilation when other Iberians move to Catalonia. For example, a lot of the Andalusians that moved to Catalonia were heavily discouraged from practicing their flamenco music because it was too "Spanish". Yet this is also the region of Spain most open to immigrants.

Is this a double standard?

No, catalonia independence is a meme.

Will Catalonia be pro or anti EU you think?
They do seem rather patriotic after all

Nope, it's not going to happen if so i prefer a civil war.
They are pushing for independence without having the majority of catalans behind them. It all sarted because CIU wanted to hide their shit and it snowballed into this big meme where CIU dosent longer exist and got absorved by those that wanted independence at the first place.

The last election was a big recognition for them that most catalans dont want independence but because a trypartito in catalonia is the norm they are always pushing for it.

No. Its called "we hate spaniards but we love arabs because they vote for independence"
Now we have arabs that dont give a fuck about both cultures. They checkmated them selfs

>Now we have arabs
Who brought them here lad? Do you really believe it was Catalan politicians? Are you really such a fucking idiot?

pro EU

I dont belive, its a fact you piece of shit.
They prefered people that dont share cultural values or languange from spain because they are easyer to adoctrinate.
The idea was to teach people catalan first so they live in the catalan bubble for about 1 or 2 years before they start to learn spanish, in those years the only persons that could interact with them only were people that spoke catalan and so in theory they would learn only one said of our culture and therfore be more propens to vote for independence.

My las paragraph was only focusing the educational system modified to fit their logic.

Who?

>Rajoy, the current president of the government, also wants it

Are you retarded?

We'd be better off, but the guys that push for it are huge EU cocksuckers, they want independence to be the ones that get to manage all the subsidies and free cash from the EU instead the guys at Madrid, so as long as they know we'd be out of the EU (as if that was a bad thing!) they aren't gonna get serious.

I think it'd be the best thing that could ever happen to us because we'd have a smaller country, and smaller jursidictions tend to be more free trade friendly and therefore more prosperous, while huge countries or jurisdictions tend to be more pro-regulation and protectionist and its standards of living tend to go down or stagnate.

I also wanna get rid of the lazy parasites in the south (Andalucia and etc.) and their socialist government that pays people not to work. If they got independent I'd be happy too (cause they'd starve).

fuck separatists

your problems will not be solved by breaking up your nation further

Above my dead body.

This country is going to be completely cleaned again of secessionists, muslims and jews. Hopefully this time we do things right.

tots som catalans :)

>We'd be better off

Do you know who buy most of the catalan shit your produce and sell?
You main market is the rest of Spain, if your retarded independencia become a reality the Spanish state would most likely bad catalan products, and will veto your EU admission too.

make catalonia revolutionary again

I don't care.

>and will veto your EU admission too.
It's the best thing that could ever happen to us. Enjoy sucking globalist cock.

Tranquilo, que ya hemos pasado, judío. Y volveremos a hacerlo.

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there wont be any stalinists to get in the way this time, your days are numbered you little shit

You are the one wishing for it
>we'd have a smaller country, and smaller jursidictions tend to be more free trade friendly and therefore more prosperous

If you will left without Spain and the EU to trade your "country" will starve. (France is your second export destination).

Everybody wants the independence, except for us, the Catalans.

(((Jordi))) is delusional, he and the rest of the secessionists believe that they can amply survive without the rest of Spain.

>I'd never move to a shithole like Spain
>Brazil

Why does catalonia want to secede? Is it just dumb nationalism or is there something else?

jews behind independence push

probably part of some greater (((scheme)))

>Nope, it's not going to happen if so i prefer a civil war.

So let them have the fucking vote faggot. I bet you wont because you'll be afraid to find out how wrong you are.

>easier to indoctrinate.
Didn't work when the Byzantines tried it on the Turks.

>only were people that spoke catalan and so in theory they would learn only one said of our culture and therfore be more propens to vote for independence.

Jesus Christ, your politicians are stupid.
They are gonna destroy Catalonia forever.

>the lazy parasites in the south
Protip: Scrap the insane penalty on innovation that is the absurdly high "Autonomo" fixed rate monthly tax imposed on the self-employed, and you'll suddenly find tens of thousands of people down here really haven't been so fucking lazy as you might think from official figures, but simply criminalised by an unfair taxation regime that makes it simply suicidal to "go legit".

Catalans feel they are different, they have own language, culture and history.

The leftists are for independence. The same leftists who are in favor of mass immigration, which would destroy such catalan culture.

It is beyond retarded.

>language

almost the same as spanish as it derives completely from latin

>culture

nice meme, now having a regional dance is having a completely different culture

>history

hahaha

They do have a distinct kind of attitude, but then again that's true for every other major region of the country.

yeah well im stating what they feel not what I think.

But using that latin argument, you could say french and italian are same as spanish cause they all have latin root, duh.

As far as I know, being part of Spain is not destroying their language or culture. So the independence reasons must be economical.

Cornwall isn't a separate country. Nor is the Isle of Man. Nor is catalonia.

Fucking faggot separatists.

>almost the same as spanish

That shit is a retarded french-spanish mix

of course not, you retards

Summarizing
>Gotta pay much more than other provinces
which they are rightfully complaining about.
But then...
>A few years ago they renewed the Estatut, which was some sort of set of regional laws, which they already had one, but was outdated as fuck since it was from 1975
>Discussed, approved, sent to the Spanish government, approved.
>PP complains, starts to gather signatures because "muh separatists"
>Estatut gets cucked. Catalans get mad.
>Crisis happens
>Government, left or right are both massive Eurocucks. who really do not represent our people.
>Catalan nationalists, a minority, really, decide to fuck shit up and use the "España ens roba" to get more followers
>Left wing party are cucks and won't do shit about it. MID crisis now.
>Right wing gets into power
>They put ALL Catalans as some sort of separatists who want to break Spain and steal our children.
>Catalans start getting fairly butthurt at this point.
>Catalan independentists from the government keep pushing that Spain is some evil overlord and other Spaniards want to oppress them or some shit.
>Like good goyim, Catalans and other Spaniards fall for it and start going for each others necks.
>This gives votes the the Catalan independentists and the (((right wing))) party
>So many cases of corruption in Spain and Catalonia that the whole shit is laughable. No one goes to jail and if they do they don't stay long enough. Shit's crazy. Mafia-tier.
>More and more catalans want to be independent to truly break the conditioning.
>They don't realise they're still Eurocucks and they'll get wrecked by catalan industrialists and by Merkel&Co
>But staying in Spain is equally bad because... well, because fuck, we're a fucking mess and there's no saving this shit.
And this is where we are now. DESU we should modernize a bit the idea of Spain. And by that I mean we need some serious purge of corrupts and cucks, but it's too late.

reminder that spain is a shithole and they deserve the worst in this world

They say "espanya ens roba", they claim central goverment give them less than they contribute. Which is totally normal in all countries over the World, the rich regions give more to develope the needed regions.
They have complete authority over their language, culture, traditions, public education, etc.

Um, Dave.... The Isle of Man is.

And arguably "country" isn't necessarily the same as "state". Wales and England and Scotland are countries. And they were so even before devolution of political power. Britanny is a country, inside the French state. There are lots of ways such entities can associate. Trying to make it all conform to one model is probably why we're in the mess we are with Catalonia in the first place. Stupid French centralist notions were imported with the Bourbon dynasty, you see.

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Catalan is 10 times more similar to spanish than french is, I don't need to learn the language to understand completely what the other person is saying.

If I try to communicate with a french or portuguese person, each one with his own language, I won't be able to understand a single thing properly, only a few separate words.

And let's not alk about spanish people not respecting their languge because it is completely false, nobody ever mentioned that ''we want'' to eliminate their language from being learnt or something like that. Look at the galicians or valencians, they don't complain for obvious reasons.

well, i'd be pissed too if I got raped in taxes to pay for other provinces welfare. They should take care of their immigrant problem leeching taxmoney before talking about any sort of independence.
If the money they give to the central govt was spent in infrastructure instead of welfare, then they'd have zero arguments.

yeah it seems all their arguments (economical, cultural, linguistic, whatever) are just pretexts.

The separatists seem to be mostly descendant of the losers of spanish civil war, and they want to try their commie paradise in their province, free from the "fascist central govt, the monarchy and the Church". (which have nothing of fascist today, they're mostly neo-liberals and social democrats)

>i'd be pissed too if I got raped in taxes to pay for other provinces welfare.
Of course you would, Solomon Montedeoro...

Git gud tho. I can understand Portuguese and Italian and never studied them. French is more complicated.

>i'd be pissed too if I got raped in taxes to pay for other provinces welfare.

If you are living in Buenos Aires or other high gdp province you are in the same situation.

>Give a piece of land money to develop their industry and economy
>Give more money for preserving culture and language and whatnot
>Give in to their every demand every time they get butthurt over taxes, control over policies, having their own separate police, etc
>The piece of land that gets the most money and opportunities ends up being the richest a couple years down the line
>Since they are richer than the mean, what they pay in taxes to the central government is more than what they get in subsidies

The true Red Pill on the independence claims in Euskadi and Catalunya is that all they are is a very convoluted tax evasion scheme.

Fuck Artur Mas

Hey anons what's the difference between Spanish and Castilian? Saw a thread on Sup Forums and apparently there's half of the Spanish speaking Americans using one and the other the rest.

Holy shit there are actual people who believe Catalonia will secede after 400 years of failed attempts.
I'm an Asturian so I'll watch how Jordis and Pacos fight each other for no reason at all while being comfy as fuck.

Spain third world shit hole confirmed
Spain is third world for everything except murder rates, but that also applies to Morocco so..

Barcelona major founding comes from their football team.
The city itself suffers major debts.
If it were to become I depended, they wouldn't have a good football team (thats my only concern so far : football)

I will stand by you, and let death find us facing the sun in our blue uniforms.

Do you live in Spain? if so, why?

Also, the great number of hypocrite sudacas calling Spain a shithole is funny as fuck

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I've been both to Brazil and Spain. I think Brazil isn't as bad as Sup Forums makes it to be but there's no comparison. People like you make hues be hated. Know your place Joao

>Asturias is not in Spain

t. wilhelm quispe hariston

>The separatists seem to be mostly descendant of the losers of spanish civil war, and they want to try their commie paradise in their province, free from the "fascist central govt, the monarchy and the Church". (which have nothing of fascist today, they're mostly neo-liberals and social democrats)
This is so far from the truth it hurts. The commie-independents (CUP) are a tiny faction in the independence movement.
The bulk of the independence movement are soft-right "muh taxes" neolibs, which is followed by a group of "muh people's right to choose" soft-left socialists

They're both the same. Technically, Catalan, Basque, Galician etc are also "Spanish languages", but >99,99% of the time Spanish=Castillian

ok sorry I will not talk rough to my betters ever again

Sorry I thought he wrote Austria. Care to answer this ?

Yes and people are sick and tired of the mass welfare. But we're not stupid enough to think we can do without the provinces. Even if budget is in the negative, they make up with explotation of resources (argentina has a lot). Im not from bs as btw, and i dont get welfare money. Mostly shitskins get welfare.

Thank you hermano

They just use different names for the same language. It's spoken all over Spain, but is native to the part known as Castille or Castilla, which ended up the part best positioned to head the Reconquista in the middle ages. Castellano is more historically correct a term, I suppose, but might sound a bit "bookish" to some. Probably just a matter of chance which term ended up being used in each South American state.

Never, for an Irn Bru and a bag of chips you can force your superior English shaft up a flower of Scotland's anus and stir last night's haggis

They're the same thing but different places in latam refer to them differently. There's also different variations/accents to spanish which have their own words akin to American English, Australian English, and UK English.

>Español/Castellano = same shit but the main language of spain is castellano, even though as said there are other languages like euskara, catalan, galician.

There's also the meme that chileans don't speak spanish.

That's what I thought. Thanks for the answer I'm still wondering if that was a troll attempt on sudaca posters because they had Chile Uruguay Argentina and Paraguay on the Castilian side and Spanish all other countries. When I asked they said the proud amerindian nations were going to confiscate my belongings...weird.

If anything only Vascos could be considered to have a point in wanting independence. Completely different root language and genetics from rest of spain.

Do catalonia pays more % of taxes to central govt, or flat amount of $? If they make more money than any other province it is logical they'll pay more tax than the others.

It's like they want to outlaw entrepeneurship and make people unemployed so they are dependent of the government.

Pure coincidence.

Castillian has a unique accent and pronounciation compared to other Spanish dialects like Andalusian, Mexican, Argie, Chilean, etc. When you listen to it sounds way more European and kinda more closer to Italian or other romance language.

Castillian also has a different pronounciation in "c" or "z" in which it sounds like a "th" like in "thing" while Latin American Spanish, Andalusian or Canarian pronounce it as an "s" just like in English.

>When I asked they said the proud amerindian nations were going to confiscate my belongings...weird.

lel, yeah I see you asked on /lat/, I'm sure one posted a picture of bart smoking weed

Same % or close to it IIRC
But since they have the some of the most modern roads and their economy is not based on farming they get less money back in subsidies
Literally the meaning of having an above average income, basically

So whats their problem then. Is their economy crashing? Why dont they adress the immigrant issue first, many of whom are probably living off welfare. Remove all shitskins and lower taxes.
Is it so fucking hard ??

They are good goyim

>implying the expansionist EU reich will veto a willing european member
Anyway Catalonia is the region that exports the most and depends less in intra-spanish trade.

Spain here

No

Also the socialist party has the federal new way of thinking.
They want to change things again.
Its a covered coup.

No. Catalonian identity is dwindling due decades of different migration waves and we're at a point of no return, this is burgesia's swan song fueled by 2008's economic collapse.

t. charnego from a Barcelona peripheral city.

>Spain here
eh...

My ancestor and glorious leader