Paganism

What is Sup Forums’s opinion on paganism?

I’m personally against it because polytheism has proven to be inferior to monotheism time and time again.
Polytheism will eventually lead to a divided people as each city/village develops a (small) preference for one of the many gods. This increases the likelihood of civil wars (e.g. the Greeks, the Romans, the Gauls,…)
In order to have a unified people, you need a religion that has as few gods as possible. The fewer, the better, which makes monotheism the best. This is the reason the 3 biggest religions nowadays are monotheistic.
I understand why people dislike Christianity because of its non-European/Jewish roots, but paganism really isn’t the solution imo.

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>inferior

Yes, it will always lose to it.
A polytheistic society will be conquered by a monotheistic society in the end.

>theism
Why not simply replace that with nationalism?

Literally no-one thinks paganism is relevant. What people other than some ooga booga tribes in niggerstan still practice polythesitic beliefs?

>This is the reason the 3 biggest religions nowadays are monotheistic.
Please don't fucking tell me you think Judaism is #3

Won't work in the long run. An army that believes they are going to heaven if they die, will fight much harder and will be less likely to route/desert, than an army that doesn't.
Perhaps not one of the biggest, but at least one of the most influential.

>A polytheistic society will be conquered by a monotheistic society in the end.
>*clears throat*
>really?

because the nation isnt perfect. so its not an ideal to strive for. merely a means to an end

Unfortunately. I still don't know enough about paganism to get how your ancestor's one specific branch is correct while also encouraging others to follow their own separate variety. Doesn't matter really cause everyone wants to "Praise Óðinn" and only "Óðinn" anyway.

Quite a lot of people in WN communities do believe in it, Varg for example. They think it's the true European religion and cause conflict with Christian WN's.
Don't know if you're memeing or not, but your country did get colonized by Christians and get fucked by Muslims. In a couple of decades your country WILL be monotheistic.

It's a lost cause. Even Jehovah's witnesses are more relevant people in west.

>army that believes
The white fethers in England during the WW1 were quite the motivation, no religion there. Also instilling a belief that dying for your country is glorious and honorable would do the same effect as the religion. Simply shaping the culture of the society would do the trick. No need for ideal beings that want nothing to do with us.

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Every man should honor his ancestors and history. A Pagan shrine in every home.

But monotheism is for the larger society because it unites all men under common goals.

>Doesn't matter really cause everyone wants to "Praise Óðinn" and only "Óðinn" anyway.
Nope, people like Varg encourage people from non Scandinavian countries to worship their own pagan Gods.
Even if Nordic Paganism would become the norm, eventually it would lead to some sort of division anyway. Anything that can happen, will happen (Murphy's Law). It would maybe work for a couple of centuries, at best, but eventually there would be division.
There also isn't a written book for paganism, so people are going to have their own versions of the myths, which also leads to division.
>The white fethers in England during the WW1 were quite the motivation, no religion there
I am talking long term. One example doesn't really prove anything.
>Also instilling a belief that dying for your country is glorious and honorable would do the same effect as the religion.
No, it doesn't because in the back of your mind you will know that if you die, you perish, but if you run away you will live. It doesn't matter how patriotic you are, your survival instincts will kick in. if you believe you're going to heaven, the chances of this happening are way lower.

>if you die, you perish, but if you run away you will live
And in what war did religion help in a way that it would detter desertion? People might pray in the face of death, but if in that moment desertion and death are the only options, they will desert no matter what the religion says.
>survival instincts
If you act by instincts, you will not abide by religion, but only by primal instincts.

The only thing worth pointing out is fanatics, but you can have nationalistic fanatics just the same as religious. All it takes is belief, be it in a god or in an ideology worth dying for.

In today's world, paganism simply doesn't work anymore.

I know he does. But NO ONE talks about them. It's all Norse shit. You'll see it here too.

Nice try kike

>And in what war did religion help in a way
In the ancient world, it helped a lot. You think those soldiers would have stormed into certain death if they knew there was no afterlife?
Also in WW1 en WW2 there were priests in the trenches "supporting" the soldiers.
Do you think Muslims from Europe would go to Syria to fight and die for ISIS if they didn't believe they would be going to heaven for it?

>If you act by instincts, you will not abide by religion, but only by primal instincts.
Religion just helps counter those survival instincts. Religion doesn't prevent you from deserting/routing, but it does make you less likely to do so.

Btw, I do agree with you that a nationalist atheist country would be best, but it simply isn't realistic. It's just human nature to require religion. Also women need religion to keep them from becoming degenerates.

>The only thing worth pointing out is fanatics, but you can have nationalistic fanatics just the same as religious.
There are also many more religious fanatic than there are nationalist fanatics.

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>There are also many more religious fanatic than there are nationalist fanatics
More religious people than there is nationalists aswell.

>go to Syria to fight and die for ISIS
Indoctronation goes far, you seen how they raise those child soldiers of theirs? If you know nothing else but warfare and god then sure, you will die for wha you were raised. But having a whole population raised as that would be very problematic. Look at the current world, the more religious the country, the worse the economy. Nationalism on the other hand would have no such negative impact on the economic system.

>it does make you less likely to do so
So does ideology.

>Monotheism has less gods, and it helps us unite.
That's exactly the reason.

Thousands of years ago, all religions started out the same way - veneration of elders and personification of natural events.
The gods were separate from mankind; they had their own views and ambitions, and fate itself didn't care about individual men.

Structurally, the old religions were about the mutual relationship between nature and man, a byproduct of our veneration and validation for others.

Structurally, Christianity is unlike the old religions, because rather than venerate and validate others, we're taught to worship an almighty God and put his ambitions before others or our own.

The reason we don't talk of "Honour" these days, is because nobody knows what it is. They have no need for honour, because their personal god validates who they are; and they become more schizophrenic in that sense, because that leads them to be even more religious. I digress; religion is the byproduct of the society. We've abandoned honour for materialism, because materialism gives us a sense of worth in a Jewish capitalist society; and because of this, we're taught that progress is the ultimate goal, because progress gets us "Closer", and we associate closeness with validation. The materials of progress are charged with the validating qualities of popularity, vanity, and power.

Who needs honour, when you can have the first new iphone and become the talk of the town?

Christianity is a byproduct of materialistic thinking, giving us a god who punishes and rewards, one who gives us personal validation if we eat crackers and spoiled grape juice.

A modern atheist, as a result, isn't a true atheist, because his religion is the same religion as Christianity; he believes in the personally validating qualities of his material god, the rituals of consumerism and rebellion in the scripture of globalist capitalism and marxism.

Paganism is like mental masturbation for autistic NEETS that fetishize Nordic womenz.

So Europe should just go back to being barbarians and expect the rest of the world to just leave us alone?
>More religious people than there is nationalists aswell.
Even proportionally there are more religious fanatics than nationalist fanatics.
Also religion spreads much easier than nationalism. it's more attractive to people, both to men and to women. nationalism is generally not attractive to women.

>you seen how they raise those child soldiers of theirs?
A lot of European Muslims that went to Syria, were raised in a moderate Muslim family.

Also, you're right on economics, but in the long term religion is better. The west for instance, has a great economy, but it's literally dying. Islamist countries have a shitty economy, but in a 100 years their culture and religion will still exist. religious people also breed way more than non-religious people(,even if they are nationalists) and thus theism will always thrive over atheism.

we need a new world religion, but this will not happen soon, it will take a long, long time, but i believe it will come one day. And this must be mono-theistic

>nd this must be mono-theistic
How exactly? Compare popularity of catholicism/orthodoxy and protestantism. People LIKE their lesser gods even if they hide as saints and such things.

Yep, but for now, Christianity is our best option.

Perhaps the bible could be rewritten without any link to Judaism. This will prevent Christians from ever cucking for Jews again.

Or maybe something like kekism could actually become a thing? lol

Pagan morals seem more intune with nature than Christian morals.

>I’m personally against it because polytheism has proven to be inferior to monotheism time and time again.

Literally most retarded thing I've heard...

youtube.com/watch?v=-pGzqd_2_jA

>Perhaps the bible could be rewritten without any link to Judaism.
Been tired since before new testament was even compiled.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope

>religious people also breed way more than non-religious people
Nah, the chinks bred like rats and they have baisicaly no religion. It's more wealth related rather than religion, jehovah's witnesses dont have 13 kids like Somalians.

>more religious fanatics than nationalist fanatics
Seen more kurds joining their country's war and turks supporting erdogan, than isis fighters going to fight in syria over here.

>nationalism is generally not attractive to women
Women are proven to be more individualistic by nature, so neither religion nor nationalism are up their alley.. Muslim women are so religious, as the men and society force them to be. When that is no longer the norm as in the west, they get acid thrown in their face, but still even more get "freed".

>has a great economy, but it's literally dying
A welfare country is bad in multicultural environments, where the minority is free to leech of the majority, a sad movement in the european history.

I am an atheist that induges in a variation of ancestor worship blended with nationalism, racialism and natural law.

It's not a fetishization, Nordic women are objectively superior and universally believed to be so.

>Nordic women are objectively superior
Also swedish compulsory sterilisation is the only argument for the swedes, not nords/women as a whole.

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This increases the likelihood of civil wars (e.g. the Greeks, the Romans, the Gauls,…)

Name one civil war in a Pagan society that was about religion and not politics or conquest.

>I can't into Darwinism.

Every polytheist society has been conquered or has been taken over by monotheism.

Forgot the greentext. Whoops.

>This increases the likelihood of civil wars (e.g. the Greeks, the Romans, the Gauls,…)

And now western europe is getting taken over by muslims. WTF I LOVE ISLAM NOW.

>Every polytheist society has been conquered or has been taken over by monotheism.

"What does it profit a man if he gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?"

youtube.com/watch?v=dsZFELuo5io

>Nah, the chinks bred like rats and they have baisicaly no religion. It's more wealth related rather than religion, jehovah's witnesses dont have 13 kids like Somalians.
The chincs are an exception then. If they were religious, they would breed even more.
>Seen more kurds joining their country's war and turks supporting erdogan, than isis fighters going to fight in syria over here.
The Turks who support Erdogan are also religious. Erdogan pushes Islam pretty hard tbqh.
The kurds are also religious.
Religion and nationalism aren't mutually exclusive btw.
>Women are proven to be more individualistic by nature, so neither religion nor nationalism are up their alley.
Women also have more fear. if they fear God, they will do what "God" tells them to do. Religion is simply more attractive to females than nationalism.

>A welfare country is bad in multicultural environments, where the minority is free to leech of the majority, a sad movement in the european history.
When an economy becomes successful, the birthrates always goes down due to "fun activities" like video games, tv, shopping, sports,...
Corporations then need new workers and consumers, so they push for immigration and anti racism. They'll do this via their media, film studios, newspapers,videogames,...
nature doesn't give a shit about your morals and values. Monotheism will always thrive in the end, it doesn't matter what you or I think of it.

Are you talking about historical paganism or neopaganism?

> Paganism: Word invented by Christian polemicists to design all non-Christian cults. For the Muslims though, Pagan means only non-Abrahamic religions.
Difficult to have a general opinion, it's too diverse.

> Neopaganism: Modern revival of pre-Christian European religions.

It's full of shit for several reasons:

1) Reconstructing a religion 2 millenia after it disappeared when you don't even speak the language of the culture it developed it, and there are few written sources on these religions => You're full of shit and you can put whatever you want in your 'religion', which is why you both have neonazi and hardcore SJW neopagans.

2) Neonazi paganism's main argument is that Whites should worship White Gods. It's full of shit because metaphysical truth should stand above the natural world and transcend it, not be directly derived from it (we don't need God to worship ourselves).

3) In opposition to Christianity or what is perceived as Christianity, the following poisons are frequently promoted by neopagans, and associated with neopaganism:

1) Worship of women and feminity
2) Worship of nature (cf. above)
3) Tolerance for other beliefs and moral relativism

That being said, David Lane had balls and I respect him.

> Monotheism will always thrive in the end, it doesn't matter what you or I think of it.

But the gods are real, monotheism is a fraud - sacrilege - human sacrifice.

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Paganism is the way

It is Aryan and Monotheist

I mean Zoroastrianism*

The division in religion may not necessarily be the (sole) cause of the civil war, but it does help cause it.
Do you think the greeks would have been conquered by the Romans if they (the Greeks) all believed in ONE God?
Do you think the vikings would have been conquered by Christians if they (the vikings) believed in ONE God?

The Romans would have probably had fewer civil wars, if they converted to Christianity (and believed in only ONE God) earlier.

It's only in the modern era that Christians let their guard down and enabled the Jews. See Martin Luther's(founder of the Protestant Reformation) "On the Jews and Their Lies", for more details.

>The chincs are an exception then
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_and_fertility#/media/File:TFR_vs_PPP_2015.png
I would disagree. You are too quick to disregard things as exceptions.

>Erdogan pushes Islam pretty hard
But still his foreign supporters like him for his nationalistic views rather than islamic. They outright state that here.

>The kurds are also religious
And what does religion have to do with a nation and separtism?

>Religion and nationalism aren't mutually exclusive
But they are regarding christianity and islam.

>they fear God
Women fear what men/society would do to them, abstract thinking is rather uncommon for them.

>Religion is simply more attractive to females than nationalism
Elaborate please.

>they push for immigration
Somehow the biggest pushers are pensionists, as their pensions depend on a bigger workforce than the amount of pensionists. The companies don't push for free immigration, but rather visa migration of the desired workers.

Dead religion mostly practised by LARPers and the occasional metal-head wearing Thor's Hammer around his neck.

As much as I like Nordic Mythology I don't jerk off to it like some of Sup Forums and kid myself by watching Varg videos thinking that tribalism and shitting in buckets is the answer to everything.

inb4 christcuck
inb4 m-m-muh ancestors
here look at this picture of stronk nordic wimmenz Lagertha the shield maiden!!!!

Too bad Lagertha in the 21st century was last seen in the German metro station with her boyfriend Muhammed holding up a sign saying "Refugees Welcome".

>The Romans would have probably had fewer civil wars, if they converted to Christianity (and believed in only ONE God) earlier.

LMFAO... Yes, monotheism did wonders to bring peace to Rome...

youtube.com/watch?v=M7x-L2W2Aa8

This, monotheism is a complete fucking fraud.

Because we forgot our eternal foe. The most hateful ideology on Earth. You know (((who))) I mean.

religion is a thing of the past. the true redpill is a secular nationalistic government that allows its citizens to pursue whatever goal they please as long as it suits the nations people to some degree.

>In order to have a unified people, you need a religion that has as few gods as possible
Hmmm, guess that explains why Christians never fought against Christians and why all Muslims get along. That whole "one God" thing really works!

Unrelated, but does anybody know why Ireland is split?

I think (unironically) that the best modern religion for White people would have been Islam if it wasn't associated with shitskins.

Pros:
> Based on warfare and hate for one's enemies, no "love" and "compassion" bullshit
> Rigid moral code
> Religion is based of legal doctrine, hence tons of rules for every aspects of life; which is what most people would need as they're too stupid to be decent spontaneously
> Keeps sluts and homos in check

Cons:
> Equalitarianism (all souls are equal before God)
> Globalism (nations shall be abolished)
> Economically left wing
> You have to cut your dick and can't eat pork meat

Overall, it's much more based than Christianity.

>This, monotheism is a complete fucking fraud.

youtube.com/watch?v=cdGZilkhXvY

What Roman civil war are you thinking about that was caused by different Pagan factions?

Paganism is not a religion because it lacks morality.

Dude these videos are blowing my fucking mind.
The Last fucking Bookstore, what in the fuck

Meme-Tier Religion
Only LARPERS and Edgy Teens believe in this shit

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>But still his foreign supporters like him for his nationalistic views rather than islamic. They outright state that here.
Erdogan pushes Islam pretty hard and that's why he got elected.
>But they are regarding christianity and islam.
No they aren't. E.g. a country can be both nationalistic and Christian.
>Elaborate please.
Women are naive an will believe in a religion faster than men. If you would try to turn a women into a nationalist, you have to explain them evolution theory, the disadvantages of multiculturalism,the importance of family. Understanding this all requires logical thinking, which women are bad at. The only way to turn women into nationalists, is by turning the men into nationalists first, whereas with religion, you could make a woman religious without her man. There are plenty of women who are religious while their husbands aren't.

Just look at the world today. there is a reason more then half of the globe is religious. religion will always thrive over atheism.
If Christians were polytheistic, they would have fought even more.
Monotheism is not going to suddenly make civil
wars never happen again.

This is the most wrong and retarded post I have ever come across on this server. I want to mutilate every single Christian and mount their head on a spike on my front lawn for being so retarded.

>Dude these videos are blowing my fucking mind.
>The Last fucking Bookstore, what in the fuck

Hey, someone payed attention...

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>polytheism is inferior to montheism
>God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit
>praying to Saints
>the Pope is divine
>european christianity is just Jew-ified paganism
Weak, just like Christianity.

I agree tbqh. But it's unrealistic now. The Christians would never accept it and it leads to racemixing nowadays.

None of them. the civil wars were only "aided" by the fact that they were pagans.

Catholicism is just Romanized Christianity. Which incidentally, by the time of the Reformation, had a lot in common with the Judaism of Israel during the time of Jesus.

>Too bad Lagertha in the 21st century was last seen in the German metro station with her boyfriend Muhammed holding up a sign saying "Refugees Welcome".
And what is the Christcuck's answer to this action? To turn the other cheek and get slaughtered, or genocided?

autistic LARPing that doesn't even have the excuse of already being in the culture that Christians have

white people need to just grow up and not need to rely on indoctrination into cults to keep their shit together like all the other retarded and ant-like races on this shitty planet

Catholicism, the original and still most powerful branch of European Christianity, is much like Jewish Israel? Hmm

Christianity is like McDonald of religions where as Paganism is a fine cuisine gourmet feast.
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>Meme-Tier Religion
>Only LARPERS and Edgy Teens believe in this shit

Monotheists are the LARPers...

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My opinion on paganism is that it is the native European religion and every other religion is absolute trash and shouldnt be allowed to be practiced on our European soil

That's the thing, nature does not care about your opinion. polytheism will always lose to monotheism, just like a nigger society will always lose to a white society.

polytheism has lasted FAR longer than monotheism, and christianity is pretty much dead, and it only lasted for a little over 1000 years in europe.

Just like cuckstianity will lose to islam. BTFO

So?
Swords have lasted way longer than guns too, that doesn't mean guns aren't superior to swords.
Yes, but what does that have to do with it?

>polytheism will always lose to monotheism, just like a nigger society will always lose to a white society.

Well, sure, because monotheism is founded on murdering the innocent for false prophets. The gods never stopped anyone from becoming a serial killing rapist if that's what they chose to be.

youtube.com/watch?v=fsmIDvIuOJs

islam is still monotheistic.

whether one likes it or not, most europeans aren't going to go back to the pagan religions of old. nor would they be anything like originally practiced, mostly just LARP stuff.

Again, nature doesn't give a shit about your morals and values.
If you think it's immoral for a lion to eat a gazelle, that doesn't mean he isn't going to do it.

If you think Islam is immoral, that doesn't mean it isn't going to conquer your land.

The pagans got conquered by Christians for a reason.

>Again, nature doesn't give a shit about your morals and values.

Well, yeah, but some people value their souls and afterlife.

youtube.com/watch?v=VBqGOdx0tiQ

Turn the other cheek actually meant something more like hit me like an equal, at the time. Sort of like a dare.

>Well, yeah, but some people value their souls and afterlife.
And those people will be conquered and their religion will be destroyed.

Well, many customs originate years and years ago into polytheistic times. I wouldn't say polytheism 'lost' to monotheism, but changed it's form. For instance, Christianity teaches us about God, Jesus Christ and Holly Spirit as a 'trinity'. Each of these have it's own personality which makes him/it a standalone Deity.

Somewhere i read that custom of carrying bride over doorstep originates from ancient Slavic religion. It was believed that spirit of ancestors have to be pleased so bride had to be taken in, instead of regularly walking into husbands house, because spirits live in family house and protect their own kin.

>And those people will be conquered and their religion will be destroyed.

Right, like I said, "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?"

I don't want to spend eternity in hell for worshiping a false prophet.

youtube.com/watch?v=-pGzqd_2_jA

Can you explain the pic?

>Can you explain the pic?

What? I'm a prophet of the gods. A real one.

>would have fought even more
Literally impossible.

It is the belief in your blood.
The will to fight for your children and linege.
And you want me to die and never know peace, but to be kept alive for all eternity to praise the jewish God?
No thanks.

"But I can tell you, you are self-deceivers. You lack either the self-knowledge or the mettle to face the facts squarely and own up to the truth. You resent the Jew not because, as some of you seem to think, he crucified Jesus but because he gave him birth. Your real quarrel with us is not that we have rejected Christianity but that we have imposed it upon you!"
-Marcus Eli Ravage, jew

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In full, of course, you never have accepted our Christian teachings. In your hearts you still are pagans. You still love war and graven images and strife. You still take pride in the glory of the nude human figure. Your social conscience, in spite of all democracy and all your social revolutions, is still a pitifully imperfect thing. We have merely divided your soul, confused your impulses, paralyzed your desires. In the midst of battle you are obliged to kneel down to him who commanded you to turn the other cheek, who said “Resist not evil” and “Blessed are the peacemakers.” In your lust for gain you are suddenly disturbed by a memory from your Sunday-school days about taking no thought for the morrow. In your industrial struggles, when you would smash a strike without compunction, you are suddenly reminded that the poor are blessed and that men are brothers in the Fatherhood of the Lord. And as you are about to yield to temptation, your Jewish training puts a deterrent hand on your shoulder and dashes the brimming cup from your lips. You Christians have never become Christianized. To that extent we have failed with you. But we have forever spoiled the fun of paganism for you.

>Can you explain the pic?

"I believe in God."

"Better become a psycho-killing terrorist for a talking burning bush."

youtube.com/watch?v=SpWkmXrpbrc

>This thread is guaranteed to be filled with Ameritard mutts with no ethnic identity so latch on to Christianity for their salvation.

>Turn the other cheek actually meant something more like hit me like an equal, at the time. Sort of like a dare

No, what it means is that Moses is a deviant sicko and the Jews are a cannibal tribe that butchers its own people willy-nilly - and they've spread their disease to the rest of the world.

youtube.com/watch?v=BXRqKHC6-kg

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