Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen, or god is not all powerful
well christians, which one is it? either way why would you worship the god?
why would you worship a god who is not all powerful, or why would you worship a god that allows the devil to exist?
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What if God is a Germanic word for GOdin and Satan is the adversary of the kike's volcano god and his faggy son who the devil kind of really helped when he talk him through some shit in the desert and showed him his destiny???
Godin is closer to Satan than YHWY/ Elohim
because abrahamic indoctrination
false dilemma. think harder.
Atheism is a tool of the Jews
just tell me if that's a boy or not
>Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen
it's a test
wahhhh earth is not playpen paradise time.... wahhhhehhhh wehhhhh im gtonna shit my pants becasue christians dont like fucking rapist pedo faggots wehhhhhhhhh
nioce post op tranny btw
>what is free will
> not knowing lavren
Nigger do you fail to grasp the concept of afterlife?
Are you that mentally challenged that you fail to understand that?
How else would God have us learn if he stepped in to correct everything?
Did your parents never let you touch a hot pan as a child to teach you consequences?
Thats Lauvren, and she's a goddess.
Fuck this is the most recycled athiest argument I've heard
He allows people to choose freely to do either good things or bad things so bad stuff happens. If He forced everyone to do good things then humans would be puppets.
how can a scottish girl be so darky?
I still don't know if it has a penis or not
Ask her on twitter.
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>Lauvren
wtf
wrong the devil makes people do evil things but god allows the devil to exist anyway
so god is basically a sadist who has an evil accomplice that causes pain and suffering on earth
Well to be completely honest,God does help when he feels the person does not have the power to help themselves,most of the things the Devil puts on the Earth is avoidable and can be solved.
>What about the things that can't be easily solved
That is why there are more that just a few thousand humans,to solve these problems through hard work,people die sometimes,its hard but if life was easy we would have too many people living on this planet to support it,we are reaching the point where we can't anyway.
In conclusion,I'd worship a God who allows the Devil to exist,because without the Devil who would make us us, who would make or break us? There is much more to life than a just having some reason to say "LMAO FUCK GOD HE DIDNT HELP ME BEAT THIS ONE GUY NOW IMMA KYS",if suicide or anything that is self detrimental because you didn't get your way(or you didn't try to) is the answer,I'll see your ass in hell.
>wrong the devil makes people do evil things but god allows the devil to exist anyway
Just stop nigger, just stop.
I actually have the answer to this, I just hope you are not trolling?
also I will answer according to my faith
>God created the universe
>He needed a way to give his teachings to humanity
>He did that through many prophets most notably Ebraheem/Moses/Jesus/Mohammed
>He interfered during those times as needed to ensure his teachings was delivered to earth
>after Mohammed(the last prophet) he didn't interfere in earth again(will explain later) as Mohammed finalized God's teaching to earth.
Lastly to answer your question:
1-God is all powerful
2-God forbid injustice upon himself
3-By interfering to ensure his teaching delivery to earth is not injustice
4-interfering in earth after this point is injustice
more explaining for the 4th point
>injustice definition: violation of the rights of others; unjust or unfair action or treatment.
thus by interfering in earthly matters is injustice (to have God by your side and not other evil people is injustice as he is all powerful)
God is love, light and goodness - the creator. The opposing force is Satan, or the adversary, which is basically darkness personified, a destroyer.
Everything must be in balance. If there is light there must be dark; you cant define white without black and vise-versa.
Humans may be the universe experiencing itself through consciousness, a large collection of souls with a purpose to explore, learn and report back findings to God over many incarnations. We need free will to do this.
God doesn't 'allow evil', evil exists as a opposing force. The closer you are to god, the more love and light will be in your life. The further you stray from god, the closer to darkness, to evil, to the debase.
Eventually, all souls must return to God to be one again. The balance may swing, and we will go through (we MUST go through) periods of darkness, where evil reigns over the human consciousness - suffering is necessary for self-reflection and true learning experience. But God and goodness, by it's nature, will win out in the end.
No you idiot god is all powerful and doesn't care what happens.
>wrong the devil makes people do evil things but god allows the devil to exist anyway
The imagery of the devil possessing you represents the fact that you've chosen to do so many shit things, you've become a slave to being a shitty person.
It's like porn addiction, or any addiction for that matter. No one makes you watch those videos, but you always claim you can't help it.
>life should be unicorns and gumdrops
You would never grow.
>the devil makes us do evil things
What kind of heresy is this? Jesus Christ, if atheists understood Christianity half as well as they thought they did we wouldn't need these shit threads.
>Atheism is a tool of the Jews
Christianity is the Jew
>it's a test
That's what I told your mother when I raped her, "this is only a test of the emergency rape system".
>Mohammed (I assume you meant Muhammad)
>last prophet
I doubt God's last prophet was that pedophile piece of shit.
If you were a god, in what state would your worshipers be?
>You would never grow.
Because God isn't all powerful and has the morals of a kike.
>Dualism
>in Christianity
Stop posting heretic.
>Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen, or god is not all powerful
There's actually a third option there, which is that God is all-powerful and deliberately causes bad things to happen. Nice try (((atheist))).
God is beyond morality.
He is just as connected to the destruction as he is to the life.
>If you were a god, in what state would your worshipers be?
I could think of a thousand better worlds than this fucking shithole
You're god is a kike and the only Never Never Land he created was Michael Jackson's rape palace because your god is a fucking kike
>Jesus the man who cast the money changers out of the temple and called the jews the synagogue of satan
>The man who is so scorned and hated by all kikes today that they won't even use a plus sign because they think it looks like a cross
>the man who is so reviled by kikes that in their satanic talmud they say he is in hell rotting for all eternity
I am convinced that anyone who posts what you posted is a D&C shill or a gullible retard.
It's not my god, m8.
I asked: if you were a deity, based on your life and state of mind, would your own worshipers be well off or would they suffer?
God is not a literal guy. God is an expression of the way of the world, the things outside of your control.
>God is beyond morality.
Typical of a slave master.
If you have to ask it more than likely has a penis
Because I'm not an edgy 12 year old female and as a man I respect the power of God.
Now tits or gtfo.
I guess Lex Luthor posts on Sup Forums now
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I forgot it was summer.
Did mommy and daddy make you wake up and go to sunday school instead of sleeping in? That must have been hard on you, no wonder you are so bitter.
>>Mohammed (I assume you meant Muhammad)
It's an Arabic name I write it as I pronounce it
Actually, we in Egypt pronounce it as Mahammad
>>I doubt God's last prophet was that pedophile piece of shit.
I said I will answer according to my faith you dumb burger
all the "terrible things" that happen are literally irrelevant in prospect of eternity, whether god exists or not. also without knowing the bad things you wouldn't be able to appreciate the good things.
that's a really retarded argument, burger.
>God is not a literal guy
Ever heard of Jesus?
>God absolutely has to be dedicated to furnishing my life with all of the joys I could ever request and there's no conceivable way that any god could ever be otherwise
Get the hell over yourself. God didn't make humans so that He could play maid. The whole of reality is an art piece. Terrible things are just the dark colors. Considering, in addition, that God offers eternal salvation for even potentially enduring some terrible things, you can't call it cruel. Being butthurt at your circumstances in life, even when they are lopsidedly beneficial to you and even when you otherwise wouldn't have been given life in the first place, is abominable hubris.
"terrible" is subjective. Therefor your argument is destroyed.
god doesnt exist.
but good morals do.
christianity is needed to give britain a good correcting.
The deepest learning, reflection and understanding comes through pain and suffering. Think about heartbreak, for instance: it can be intense, world-breaking pain, yet people come through heartbreaks as changed people (for the better or for the worst - part of the human experience is to learn how to deal with pain, to use it to help you grow rather than succumb to despair). They say the only thing worse than having your heartbroken is never experiencing having your heartbroken.
We also have to understand God not as a distinctly separate being which rules over us like a monarch, but instead understand that each of is part of god, and our soul is a piece of the divine soul. God is us and we are God. God does not inflict pain on us like a kid with a magnifying glass nor does he subject us to torturous environments and experiences while he observes from afar - God, as us, is experiencing his own creation.
god put us here on purpose when he kicked adam and eve out it says god did it out of hope
maybe he wanted people to look to god
and saying that he allows evil to exist makes him evil
its jumping to conclusions without full evidence of whats going on
it doesnt disprove god or that hes all powerful
>Jesus the man who cast the money changers out of the temple and called the jews the synagogue of satan
The JEWISH TEMPLE you fucking slave! Did your church ever raise money?
satan = Aramaic word meaning "adversary", any adversary
Satan the character = Catholic meme to demonize our ancestral gods
>The man who is so scorned and hated by all kikes today that they won't even use a plus sign because they think it looks like a cross
They want to keep baby kikes out of the slave cult so they can be slave masters over you and kill your brother in Zionist wars.
>hell
A viking myth
>I am convinced that anyone who posts what you posted is a D&C shill or a gullible retard.
You're a fucking slave and I'm saving you from Jewish mind control
In theology this is referred to as the problem of Good and Evil.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
-- Epicures
This problem was created when Christianity changed most of scripture from poly-theism to mono-theism. Suddenly there was the Devil (Trickster, Chaos, Perturbation, Opposition, Temptation) separate from the Pantheon of Gods (all with their justified functions). This was further exacerbated by anthropomorphizing this very human internal feeling and behavior into a lesser Deity with it own will. Perhaps we did this out of weakness: It is easier to claim some external force seduced you, than to admit you was not strong-willed enough to let ratio celebrate a victory over animalistic urges.
The solution to this problem is to acknowledge Abraxas. In the Seven Sermons to the Dead, and later in the Red Book, Carl Gustav Jung united God into a single God. As He contained both Evil and Good, He is more powerful than the Judeo-Christian God. In that, He is also afraid of itself.
From gnosis.org
This is a god whom ye knew not, for mankind forgot it. We name it by its name Abraxas. It is more indefinite still than god and devil.
Light and Darkness.
The Hot and the Cold.
Force and Matter.
Time and Space.
Good and Evil.
Beauty and Ugliness.
The One and the Many.
What the god-sun speaketh is life.
What the devil speaketh is death.
But Abraxas speaketh that hallowed and accursed word which is life and death at the same time.
Abraxas begetteth truth and lying, good and evil, light and darkness, in the same word and in the same act. Wherefore is Abraxas terrible.
It is the lord of the toads and frogs, which live in the water and go up on the land, whose chorus ascendeth at noon and at midnight.
God does it for teh lulz.
Alsp certain doctrines say God keeps Satan around as a strawman to defeat to show that he is right. Also to keep shitheads out of Heaven.
G. O. D
>Grantor Of Dominion
There is no bearded white guy that lives in the clouds watching you spank your wife while she calls you daddy, and judging you
We all sentence ourselves at death based on our personal frequency, like a bubble in the lake floating to the top, or like a stone sinking to the bottom, we go where we belong, like attracts like
There are only 2 emotions love and fear
Love increases your frequency
Fear decreases your frequency
It's as simple as that
The devil exists to prove that sentient beings who are given the knowledge of good and evil still choose evil, just like Adam and Eve. Hence, why we need a savior, etc.
Freedom is important to God. Would a benevolent God not give you free will? God won't force you to be with Him for eternity if you don't want to. To suggest that forcing people to do what He wants is somehow more benevolent is silly.
>Then he is malevolent.
wrong
he sends me to heaven for eternity
i dont think hes malevolent except to the wicked normies
God is all powerful.
This particular universe is a Free-Will universe, thus "bad" things are capable of transpiring.
>i cant answer an easy question because my low IQ only let's me shit on the internet
disappointing.
Slave mocks a free Aryan because he wants his magical Jewish gay sky daddy to love him.
It's not even summer so save your boring meme talk faggot and try to be funny on your own
That's because the problem of evil hasn't been solved by theists.
>Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen, or god is not all powerful
The easiest explanation for the existence of evil in the world is that there is no God.
Baby born with a terrible disease or baby born with perfect health - random events.
You're a member of an oppressed minority or member of oppresive majority - random event.
Everything makes so much sense without God.
>no god
>but good morals
Lel. You have no working definition of "good" in the first place. Let me guess: It's something that doesn't hurt you and makes sure that your feefees feefeel nice.
>Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen, or god is not all powerful
This not a complete argument. You haven't stated that God is "good" or proven that your interpretation of "terrible" things is anything but an interpretation.
You're missing premises and they are probably flawed premises, which is why you think there is a contradiction.
>I will answer according to my faith
Doesn't your faith accept that Mahammad was a pedophile? Islam is a bad fanfiction and it is so disconnected from Ancient Judaism and Christianity I wonder how anyone got duped by a merchant.
>God laid up in his throne
>multitude of angels worshiping Him
>creates man on earth
>one special angel aka Lucifer stands up and says "I betcha I could rule them better than you God"
>creates doubt among the other angels
>God knowing how it will all end allows the trial
>God allows trial bc he is justice
>once it's all over - no one or anything will disobey God again bc precedence will have been set
>god put us here on purpose when he kicked adam and eve out it says god did it out of hope
Count the generations, retard. Adam and Eve only go back to around 4500BC. Humans existed before that.
is that the quote from Batman vs Superman?
Following the principals of religion causes man to work towards a higher purpose rather than following base instinct and living only for himself in greed and hedonism.
When you grow up you'll realize its not whether you believe in God or not, its whether society functions better with worship as a lynchpin designed to prevent people from falling to only care about their own interests.
There is a god. It doesn't like us.
see baby with terrible disease thats awful we need god more
so that way we look to the new earth where everything is perfect
humans did not exist before that they can put any date they want on any artifact
I guess I was right about you being a drooling retard.
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The concept of good and evil come from
>Hell is a myth
Gonna need some Biblical sauce, heretic. Lake of Fire imagery and descriptions of Hell are numerous.
>Either god is all powerful and allows terrible things to happen, or god is not all powerful
>skydad faggot
Says who? You? God is all things. Wether or not you think something is 'terrible' is your own perspective. Did it ever occur to you that things you think are unfortunate serve a purpose in a greater scheme? Apparently you think 'God' is some guy that doles out justice based on your own personal perspective. Which doesn't invalidate religion, it just says you are self centered and somewhat infantile about your religious ideas.
Luficer is a Roman God, you stupid nigger. And Apparently he's can trick your dumb YWHY into abusing his creation -- or maybe it's because your Jew god is a LIAR!
Did that post say (you) moron?
I would limit suffering comparable to this horrific world where nothing compares and nothing else matters but pain and fear and all is motivated by the will to power because of constant fucking destruction.
OK!
>Doesn't your faith accept that...
But that doesn't disprove anything. This is as bad as a liberal who calls you a racist and thinks they won the argument.
God is not what modern religions have filtered throughout history to convey him as ...
That's your first mistake. As to who or what god is .. that's for you to personally discover and journey to find in your personal life and connection to him. Organized religions are organized religions.
Before people began co-opting this powerful conception via :
> Paganism
> Shamanism
> Polytheism
> Monotheism (The holy grail of control)
en.wikipedia.org
Animism is the oldest known type of belief system in the world that even predates paganism.
Animism -"breath, spirit, life" is the religious belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence. Potentially, animism perceives all things—animals, plants, rocks, rivers, weather systems, human handiwork, and perhaps even words—as animated and alive. Each individual had raw access to this.
>Modern Christianity
Sex sells, eh Jew worshiper?
She's literally talking about her orgasm for Jesus haha
as an atheist the correct response to this is he is all powerful and lets terrible things happen, because to stop them would deny humans free will
You have no actual point or argument.
Every word you type is just vitriol, and I'm still convinced you are a shill (the amount of images you have) or a dumb-ass (no actual argument being put forward).
the premise is false. Free will exists, thus the correct question is: How likely is it that the human race is alive today, unless God. How come suffering always comes to an end if not God. Things going in a certain direction have a tendency to keep going in that direction, law of inertia.
its time to take the gnosticism pill
theres actually 2 gods, the jewish old testament god who made the physical world, and the new testament god who is the god of light. The jewish god is responsible for all the terrible things and is trapping us in this physical world of suffering. He is preventing us from reaching our true potential by returning to the new testament god.
Lowest tier bait or actually too stupid to understand.
>Animism -"breath, spirit, life" is the religious belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence. Potentially, animism perceives all things—animals, plants, rocks, rivers, weather systems, human handiwork, and perhaps even words—as animated and alive. Each individual had raw access to this.
Yeah in the grown world we call this "Classifications" aka Nature. Stop being an edgy Druid unless you're going to kill Jews with it.
>Luficer is a Roman God
oh, wow. why didn't anyone tell me this before. you spelled that out so clearly. you must be right.
>fucking pagans
Free will can't exist if God is omnipotent, omniscient AND also created everything.
It's impossible, and it reduces us to basically God's playthings in a game in which he already knows the outcome.
why not
this guy gets it
Kek
This.
There are tons of responses towards the problem of evil.
The world was good at its creation but evil came into the world as a result of man's sin (free will). The purpose in our life isn't to feel good it is to glorify God, and man can't truly glorify God if we are soulless automatons.
>Gonna need some Biblical sauce, heretic. Lake of Fire imagery and descriptions of Hell are numerous.
Hell is a VIKING myth. How did you read over that? Look it up. It came in with the King James version. Hades is a roman God. Lucifer is a Roman God.
It's a fucking fake religion
Hell = Aramaic for "Sheol" = grave
Lake of fire = Zoroastrianism = magi/wisemen who visited baby Jesus. Zoroastrians were speaking of the end time lake of fire long before Jews were and their God (the lord of Wisdom/truth) is far more sane and pure than Jesus/YWHY
Her band is called Chvrches too
the new testament is 1000x more brutal than the old testament. people who think the new testament is loving and the old testament was harsh LEL
Mark 9:42-48
42And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. 43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
I'm willing to listen to your arguments if you'll provide sources.
>its time to take the gnosticism pill
Gnostics are a Jewish inversion of Zoroastrianism and its 'truth vs. lies and illusion.
Anti-Materialism is degenerate hatred of life and nature and your body.
GNOSTICISM = JEWED DOWN ZARATHUSTRA!
You're a plebeian and I'm better than you because of it. HAHAHAHA! BOW TO YOU BETTER!
This thread isn't about Islam you dumb burger, I'm not trying to make you revert.
WTF? I just gave you the keys to the kingdom man. What fucking school did you attend that you can sit that and act that lazy and ask for sources? Are you banned from using google?
It's time to get to WORK!