Universal basic income

Why wouldn't it work?

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Look how well 50 years of welfare has worked for the inner cities

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I'm sure it would. However it turns people into slaves to the state with no options but to adhere to anything the governing party decrees lest they turn off the money faucet.

Anyone with any self respect and desire for individual independence should be terrified of the prospect.

Because even when automation has made it easier to manufactuer an item in less time and for less money, people still choose to work just as long, and if not, longer.

That is historically accurate.

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it would. I'm voting for it

Would it not also allow us the opportunity to use the money to create or support our own business and create multiple streams of revenue.

Or even use the money to buy land and become self sustaining?

It would work, ignore the dumb fucks using non-Whites as an example.

it would work as long as there was a gullible white population willing to pay taxes while people like me immediately quit their jobs and applied for free money. It'd be sweet. So your question should be "why wouldn't YOU work".

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>An entire generation feeling absolutely worthless and thought only to seek hedonistic pleasure, then killing themselves due to no responsibility
It's gonna work great.

wew lad. Wages would be higher under socialism

Okay, so what about ubi for non-felons that have been citizens for at least 10 years?

No felonies removes half the black population from being eligible.

Requiring tons of documentation stops Californians from being eligible.

A 10 year citizenship requirement stops boat people, short term immigrants.

Remove all other forms of welfare while implementing.

I guarantee we would be saving money like crazy and letting white kids be neets for a few years before they have to clean their room.

I'd vote for that.
The thing is...where would the money come from? I like the idea of everybody being given money and doing whatever they want with them - either investing it wisely or spending it all on inane crap.

Welfare doesnt work you sagebait nigger.

you'll be eating from a garbage can when the money runs out

Because the money must come from somewhere. Constantly printing money leads to hyperinflation and inevitably depression.

If you want socialism to work, you need to bring back a system similar to the Reichmarks. I unit's worth of currency = 1 unit's worth in labor.

Hope you enjoy your 50 hour work week nigel, i'll be collecting my paycheck after a grueling 0 hour work week. Stay strong, stiff upper lip, all that. We're all in this together.

I like the way you think.

The same place it comes from now. Numbers in a computer system.

because people are too lazy and selfish to indefinitely and openly pay for others to not work.

it might scrape along for a while, but gradually and eventually the most productive people will just move somewhere they can keep more fruits of their own labors.

>decreasing productivity, competition, and efficiency will lead to higher wages

nope

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So as a non-worker I would vote to prevent emigration, drop iron curtain, keep you in and paying taxes to support my "universal income".

Now you're talking.

Frothy.

why would productivity and efficiency increase when the workers own the means of production?
If you kept a market under socialism, competitiveness would be the same.
>"To each according to his contribution"
only if the bankers fuck you over

It works, you see niggers living off it.

Convert currency to a digital format and it will be infinite.

It would go on forever.

>Why wouldn't it work?
Because when everyone is guaranteed an extra $24,000 a year, landlords will raise the rent, food producers will cite increased costs of production and inspection, and every business will raise prices citing some bullshit. The universal income will disappear because everyone will nickel and dime it into oblivion, as if it never existed in the first place.

I'd be in a much more stable financial situation if my fucking rent wasn't half my monthly income.

Think you'll find the overwhelming majority of people will stop working if they receive enough government money to live comfortably. When automation is in full force then UBI will be completely necessary, and it will have to be quite high due to the huge disparity between the unemployed and the business owners. But we're at least 30 years from that point

this shit is already happening in less hyperbolic ways.

US "exit tax" talk and increased nosiness into foreign banking accounts have ramped WAAAAY up in the last 10-15 years.

globalism is a game where powerful parties want to make it easier or harder for capital to flow in or out of places depending on whether they want to be the first to take advantage of a situation, prevent competitors from investing there, keep others' capital tied up in one place, etc.

yeah, i'll be "contributing" from my couch. in the meantime i'll get a diagnosis for "acute anxiety" or "depression with suicidal ideation" or something random from the bogus doctor on my medicaide benefit to get an even bigger check and make it legit. The section 8 free rent would be great too, me and my bai could just pop out 5 kids to get another grand a month also. Socialism is great.

None of that will chamge you're an idiot.

social pressure to work will fuck you up

hahahahah

no

Lol.

If we get universal income,Im quiting my job and so will everyone else.

Why wouldnt it work? Shit really? People fucking stupid.

>Why wouldn't it work?
FED will run out of money to print

I know right, just look at how much money this Venezuelan has! He could probably even buy a loaf of bread!

our "iron curtain" is monetary. You think joe-blow can get a job in another country, apply for passport, work visa, moving expenses, flight, support himself when he gets there, set up an entirely new life and live there long enough to retain visa while traveling back by airplane as necessary to satisfy the visa requirements, apply for citizenship and then pay the "exit tax"? No. and 75% of americans probably couldn't.

That would be why the market should be legislated to prohibit artificial and arbitrary inflation that isn't based on demand.

You know those pigs wont regulate themselves.

We're closer then you think.

explain why not. It is literally one of the main points of socialism

>spics

Don't start comparing White countries to spics now.

The push for UBI normalizes the end in which all of the world's power ends up irrevocably concentrated in the hands of a tiny number of people. That's what's wrong with it. Do you really want to be fucking cattle?

Easily fixed with my newly prescribed medical mj.

Venezuelan jobs are owned by the state

UBI would be such a small part of the economy that it almost wouldn't matter. Maybe a $0.10 increase on things. Your mistake is assuming, like many people do, that the new money would represent a large amount of income.

Chuck Testa. For example, the Walton's dropping their load of cash would cause more inflation than all UBI put together for that year.

socialism is not increased welfare you fucking morons.

Yeah, he's an idiot, it has nothing to do with universal income.

You are cattle.

Yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

The only question remaining is how cattle are treated.

Even a miniscule amount of 10g a year in a country of 320 million people is fucking $3,200,000,000,000 dollars a year tell me how that fucking works mmm?

Let's assume that it works when initially introduced. Just like welfare, people will expect more and more money and left wing governments will oblige. It'll spiral out of control, and there will be no way of scaling it back. And that's assuming initial implementation works, which I doubt it will.

Taxes rates should not be lower for the rich uppef class.

>You are cattle.
No, defeatist faggots like you are cattle and I'm stuck moving with the Herd so I don't get trampled.
When they start culling the cattle and the herd thins that is when I will make a break for it.

This fucking nation is done, let the Turks have it.

Socialism/Communism never works. Further more its immoral. And universal income is the idea of damaging the system to sustain the system and feed the parts of it that do not function.

We are looking at another industrial revolution and like the last one we will find new way to better ourselves. New jobs will comes in time.

With the way everyone is going to get replaced we should probably take steps to limit the damage from disruption though. Maybe stop taking shit loads of immigrants. Maybe do not let these huge monopolies form and reduce the businesses control of the gov a little.

We want a collapse anyway to instill National Socialism.

Please see You are thinking that it will be for every man, woman, and child.

>Would it not also allow us the opportunity to use the money to create or support our own business and create multiple streams of revenue.
>Or even use the money to buy land and become self sustaining?

That's a good theory for an ideal world but sadly we don't live in a society like that. It would inevitibly make people lazier and cause a drought in innovation.

I'd like to see it tried out somewhere to test it though.

UBIfags are just another level of shekel worshiping goyim whose worship of the shekels empowers the Jewry.

>they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work

>killing all the poor and replacing them with technology
Why would it work?

You see the problem now? Something potentially "working" is not a reason to do it.

is this that spanish coastal town in morroco?

>Why wouldn't it work?

Look you communists. Here's how it works. Everybody gets money from the government. Please keep in mind just because it comes from the government it's not "free money" someone had to work to generate the value of that money. So what happens when you have a universal income and/or communism, there will be a bunch of lazy fucks sitting around collecting the wage. At the same time, the diligent hard working people will be saying "what the fuck? Why should I work when those lazy fucks get the same as me?" In no time, there is no value being generate and the money isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Then you have no food in the grocery stores and a bloody revolution ensues. Happens every time. Why won't you commies learn? Look at Venezuela. This is exactly what's happening.

Wrong the average work day has nothing but gone down historically faggot

The money has to come from somewhere. The new taxes would stifle innovation and new businesses. You would be making it difficult for all these people to make shit happen with their new found money/freedom.

By being worth many times that.

Our GDP is 18 trillion, not 3.5.

Now, remove all ineligible groups such as felons.

It suddenly doesn't look so scary. Social Security is just as bad and would be scrapped after UBI

Useless people haven't been forced to change for ages now. That's what the welfare state is for.

>nothing gets made
>people start making shit again cuz they need stuff

>useless scum still helping circulate money in the economy

>3,200,000,000,000 = 3.5 trillion
>burger education

Bullshit, those who truly care about innovation are not motivated by money.

Socialism is the same thing every time. It works right off the bat and gets shittier as the money runs out until it completely destroys the country it infected.

Also the major downside is that you need to imprison/kill people who disagree because one guy not going along fucks the system.

Socialism is immoral.

Jewish Communism will never work because they are the agents Satan.

It's only a trick to keep their evil, failed money scheme going until they can cull the goyim, thin the heard.

Except you would be getting UBI including having a job.

Which for people that want a higher standard of living and more financial security, it would be outstanding.

So why not just give it to people who already have jobs? That would encourage people to get on the work rolls.

Also:

Why would it (or anyone) work?

Remove niggers and spics, keep White felons.

there is no new taxes the whole point of a negative income tax is to replace all current welfare systems with a cash payment that you can spend however you want

i support negative income tax for the poor only

ubi is retarded and gives handouts to the rich

basically requires
>white
>conservative
>high iq
>small population

In order for everyone to receive livable income, the amount of effort required to keep that person alive must be virtually non-existent in terms of manpower. Today we still require manpower for very essential things like food production, sanitation, and most importantly electricity. Put simply, it costs too much to keep people alive because we are still in a society where resources are scarce.

As time goes on, the income required to keep a person alive will decrease proportionally with the cost of those basic services. When we achieve something huge like cheap fission energy or cheap desalinization of seawater the cost of living will decrease worldwide.

The first stage in the process to universal basic income will be one where a single member of the family works full time and can sustain the whole family, which ironically we were at half a century ago. If anything current cost of technological progress is outpacing the reduction in living expenses.

The second step will be people can work for maybe one or two decades and use the money they've saved to live their whole lives.

The third step will be people working one or two years and living off that their whole lives.

The fourth step will be one person working one or two years to sustain their whole family for decades, mixed in with a few dedicated full-time workers who quickly become elite billionaires.

And the final step will be a truly post-scarcity society where you only work if you want to, but we are still hundreds of years away from that. It would require basically free energy, utilization of resources from space, unlimited water, and population control measures to be even remotely feasible.

So if this generation is willing to work for those things, maybe their great great grandchildren can all pursue their dreams with no need for work. If you try to jump the gun and demand free living expenses now you are holding back the progress of all mankind. You selfish bastard.

maybe read the definition before you comment

>why wouldn't it work?

>2000 / month * 12 months * 365million people = 8.76 trillion dollars / year

Compared to the 2.45 trillion spent per year now on entitlements.

It's not Universal if you exclude people.

insanely evil thing to advocate... poor kid is an uneducated piece of shit, I guess.

So how do you keep people with skills and now freshly out of opportunities from leaving to somewhere with a greater potential lifestyle for their skills?

Nope, you run it long enough and the population would increase and become more liberal.

It's not real. That is a scene from World War Z.

You can't pay for it without a significant deficit. For the UK it would be something like £9,600*65,000,000 = 624,000,000,000 -- that's several times higher than the welfare budget, and like 85% of the government's whole budget.

Bracketless negative income tax would work as a replacement for the welfare state. Even Milton Friedman advocated that.

>You are thinking that it will be for every man, woman, and child
Yeah no shit because you called it UNIVERSAL basic income.

They look like cockroaches.

Because the West needs fewer entitlements and more duties.

Clean your room.

Because that's now how economics work.

on the day of the rope the UBIfags will be the first people I hang. You worshipped the shekel like a good little goyim. You empowered the Jew.

Insanely evil not to advocate, this is the future, deal with it.

>Why wouldn't it work?
Because there are plenty of people like me who wouldn't work either then.

I want to napalm carpet bomb them.

ubi doesnt even make sense giving money to people who are already rich

what a complete waste

negative income tax is the truth

>wouldnt work

it doesnt matter how many people stop working because eventually people will need goods and services and will do them if theres no place to buy watermelons then someone wants to eat watermelon so they start growing watermelon

The US right now spends about $2 trillion a year on welfare
If you throw all that out and replace it with something that costs $3.2 trillion, where the fuck is the extra $1.2 trillion coming from?

>what a complete waste
The logic is that you'd just tax it right back off them, and wouldn't need the bureaucracy involved in means testing welfare benefits.

not a bad idea desu

I'd like the freedom to explore more video games