Is the US responsible for creating ISIL?
Is the US responsible for creating ISIL?
Gabriel Reyes
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Carter Reed
yes, more specifically the jews are responsible but we do their bidding so its on us too
Cooper Reyes
>(((the US)))
Carter Fisher
indirectly through the invasion of Iraq
Samuel Morris
anti-Isis strikes are a joke
But it still Al-Jazeera. they are more fake news than cnn
Isaiah King
Care to provide any evidence? Serious inquiry
You honestly think that? AJ has its allegiances and biases pike most news sources, bur they're far more informative and provide a better context than CNN.
Brody Clark
Yes. And then responsible for arming them by giving their allies guns to fight in Syria.
Evan Baker
duhhhh! with the help of Jews of course
Nathan Powell
>ISIL
Obama, stop shit posting on Sup Forums
Josiah Morris
Resounding yes. Before ISIS' huge gains, they were just a ragtag group of insurgents based in post-invasion Iraq, thanks to America's destabilization. The United States has been ACTIVELY trying to exact a regime change in Syria since at least the Bush era, and have been undermining the Assad government for much longer than that. American and British intelligence assets were already in Syria helping the "rebels", many of whom were extremists. Weapons and intelligence that ended up in the hands of "moderate rebels" easily ended up in the hands of Al-Nusra (Al-Qaeda) and other groups. In fact, many of those moderates ended up joining the extremist factions, bringing the weapons with them. Thanks to America destabilizing Syria, ISIS was able to take advantage of the chaos and take large swathes of land. American weapons ended up in their hands. The same fucking thing happened in Libya. Remember when Gaddafi kept saying that the rebels were terrorists? He was right all along.
It was literally reported for over a decade that the US government was actively trying to remove Assad:
>Bush Administration Probes Syria's Future With Assad's Opposition
>Saturday, March 26, 2005
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>The Bush administration is reaching out to the Syrian opposition because of growing concerns that unrest in Lebanon could spill over and suddenly destabilize Syria, which borders four countries pivotal to U.S. Middle East policy -- Israel, Iraq, Lebanon and Turkey, U.S. and Syrian sources said.
>U.S. officials, however, yesterday denied that the meeting was intended to coordinate efforts to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad's government.
>"That would be a monumental distortion," a senior State Department official said. "But it was a discussion about supporting reform and change in the region and specifically Syria -- and how we can help that and work with people in the region and Syria to support that process."
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Dominic Flores
>Syria in Bush's Cross Hairs
>Tuesday, Dec. 19, 2006
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>The Bush Administration has been quietly nurturing individuals and parties opposed to the Syrian government in an effort to undermine the regime of President Bashar Assad. Parts of the scheme are outlined in a classified, two-page document that says that the U.S. already is "supporting regular meetings of internal and diaspora Syrian activists" in Europe. The document bluntly expresses the hope that "these meetings will facilitate a more coherent strategy and plan of actions for all anti-Assad activists."
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Easton Rivera
>U.S. secretly backed Syrian opposition groups, cables released by WikiLeaks show
>April 17, 2011
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>The State Department has secretly financed Syrian political opposition groups and related projects, including a satellite TV channel that beams anti-government programming into the country, according to previously undisclosed diplomatic cables.
>The London-based satellite channel, Barada TV, began broadcasting in April 2009 but has ramped up operations to cover the mass protests in Syria as part of a long-standing campaign to overthrow the country’s autocratic leader, Bashar al-Assad. Human rights groups say scores of people have been killed by Assad’s security forces since the demonstrations began March 18; Syria has blamed the violence on “armed gangs.”
>Barada TV is closely affiliated with the Movement for Justice and Development, a London-based network of Syrian exiles. Classified U.S. diplomatic cables show that the State Department has funneled as much as $6 million to the group since 2006 to operate the satellite channel and finance other activities inside Syria. The channel is named after the Barada River, which courses through the heart of Damascus, the Syrian capital.
>The U.S. money for Syrian opposition figures began flowing under President George W. Bush after he effectively froze political ties with Damascus in 2005. The financial backing has continued under President Obama, even as his administration sought to rebuild relations with Assad. In January, the White House posted an ambassador to Damascus for the first time in six years.
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Jose Rodriguez
>C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Opposition
>JUNE 21, 2012
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>A small number of C.I.A. officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters across the border will receive arms to fight the Syrian government, according to American officials and Arab intelligence officers.
>The weapons, including automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some antitank weapons, are being funneled mostly across the Turkish border by way of a shadowy network of intermediaries including Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood and paid for by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the officials said.
>The C.I.A. officers have been in southern Turkey for several weeks, in part to help keep weapons out of the hands of fighters allied with Al Qaeda or other terrorist groups, one senior American official said. The Obama administration has said it is not providing arms to the rebels, but it has also acknowledged that Syria’s neighbors would do so.
>Obama authorizes secret support for Syrian rebels
>Wed Aug 1, 2012
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>President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing U.S. support for rebels seeking to depose Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his government, sources familiar with the matter said.
>Obama's order, approved earlier this year and known as an intelligence "finding," broadly permits the CIA and other U.S. agencies to provide support that could help the rebels oust Assad.
Logan Clark
Western states like UK, USA and France are responsible for Islamic terrorism.
>b-but Jihad
It's not the same. Nor were Christians act any different.
Islam is kinda shit but Islam is not ISIS and never was.
Cameron Powell
Please archive sites renowned for bad journalism and clickbait.
Cooper Foster
Always remember to archive sources renowned for shilling and clickbait. Thank you.
Hudson Murphy
they knew isis was rising, so they helped
Adam Rodriguez
Thanks senpai, I'll check out all those links.
Do you think the most recent chemical gas attacks likely a false flag? Obviously the rebels have a history of using chemical weapons, but is the US or Syria story more plausible?
Isaac Young
Source?
Ian Thompson
>but Islam is not ISIS and never was.
do they not copy what Mohammed and his goons did? Role-playing dark age Arabia as they imagine it was.
Carter Long
No they don't. Arabs of that time acted nothing like ISIS, and their actions were in reality no worse than actions of Romans or Persians of that time. They were even more lenient actually. That's why they spread so fast. Also read up on Rashidun caliphate.
Only thing ISIS is emulating is Wahhabi slimes from Saudi Arabia. Who were put in power by British. And supported by West.
Jace Foster
The CIA funded al qaeda to fight the soviets in Afghanistan. When the Americans started stationing themselves in Saudi Arabia (mid 90s), osama defected agains the American government because he couldn't stand infidels being in the holy land
ISIS is an ofshoot of al qaeda in Iraq (AQI).
Joseph Carter
cool, looks like they killed 106 muslims that were about to become terrorists anyways.
Lincoln Sanchez
Yes. The Obama administration caused this.
On the bright side, how many Muzzys have died since Obama's "Arab Spring" bullshit?
Lots!
Ryder Gray
YOU TERRORISTS NOW!
Landon James
Yes
Joseph Martinez
Yes. Wounding the animal only leads to madness and bloodshed.
You have to kill them all, or near enough to jam the remaining scraps into miserable reservations. Anything else means you have to deal with the living aftermath soiling your country afterwards.
Oliver Nelson
Yes of course, CIA and MOSSAD operation with Saudi and Quatari funding
Samuel Smith
hey man can you add heatst.com to your blacklist?
Hudson Wood
I've been thinking about it. Can we get more opinions?
Gavin Hernandez
Short answer, yes
Long answer:
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Christopher Howard
You have to be retarded to think innocents are blaming USA and becoming ISIS.
>guys come in, rape your family, kill your dad, force you to follow shariah law
>USA bombs them, your neighbour's annoying kid dies
>FUCK USA
Total fucking dummies, man.
Thomas Miller
America thought the CIA created the resistance forces that later became Al-Qaeda. Started out fighting Soviets but through opportunity, training, desire to actually destroy the west, and armaments, OBL and others changed their opponent but continued being backed by the CIA for reasons of creating a boogeyman for citizen in America and the rest of the west. It is my opinion that every operation they carried out was led and planned by the CIA. ISIS\ ISIL seems to be organically grown opposition that started out as a true rebel force that was probably armed by rogue Al-Qaeda fighters and stolen\captured weapons. This force was inevitable hijacked by the CIA for training and financing purposes and led them to becoming a sort of puppet force.
Parker Ross
Dia admitted to this in a report released in 2014 and every geopolitical analyst worth their shit have been saying that they are a proxy army since the damn war started. Christ the fact that this is still a question shows just how effective the state ran propaganda machine stops us from knowing basic relevant shit for anything important.
"Zionist" user
The using of blanket blaming"the Jews" is a deliberate propaganda tactic outlined in Israeli hasbara training. It's why sites like veteran's today parent companies are all filled with Zionist and why Zionist organizations back in the 40s we're funding groups like the American Nazi party. It stops any legitimate criticism of the horrid shit Zionist are doing by creating a drag net and giving enough legitimacy using "anti-Semitism" to shut down the conversation. Leftist sjw types do the same shit(but more to attack others than to divert attacks) because ultimately they're cut from.the same collectivist authoritarian cloth
Liam Harris
>moroccans in syria
>not isis members
Colton Reyes
>Only thing ISIS is emulating is Wahhabi slimes from Saudi Arabia
Specifically through the use of saudi funded madrassas. The Safari club is the rabbit hole you'll want to follow for that shit show
Dylan Lee
Blame it on Qatar and Kuwait and Bahrain
the fact you leave them out makes me suspicious