Essay on Wotan By Dr Carl Gustav Jung (March, 1936)
Propheties De Maistre Michel Nostradamus, 1555
“In Germany shall divers sects arise, Coming very near to happy paganism. The heart captivated and small receivings Shall open the gate to pay the true tithe.” When we look back to the time before 1914, we find ourselves living in a world of events which would have been inconceivable before the war. We were even beginning to regard war between civilized nations as a fable, thinking that such an absurdity would become less and less possible on our rational, internationally organized world. And what came after the war was a veritable witches’ sabbath. Everywhere fantastic revolutions, violent alterations of the map, reversions in politics to medieval or even antique prototypes, totalitarian states that engulf their neighbours and outdo all previous theocracies in their absolutist claims, persecutions of Christians and Jews, wholesale political murder, and finally we have witnessed a light-hearted piratical raid on a peaceful, half-civilized people.
With such goings on in the wide world it is not in the least surprising that there should be equally curious manifestations on a smaller scale in other spheres. In the realm of philosophy we shall have to wait some time before anyone is able to assess the kind of age that we are living in. But in the sphere of religion we can see at once that some very significant things have been happening. We need feel no surprise that in Russia the colourful splendours of the Eastern Orthodox Church have been superseded by the Movement of the Godless – indeed, one breathed a sigh of relief oneself when one emerged from the haze of an Orthodox church with its multitude of lamps and entered an honest mosque, where the sublime and invisible omnipresence of God was not crowded out by a superfluity of sacred paraphernalia. Tasteless and pitiably unintelligent as it is, and however deplorable the low spiritual level of the “Scientific” reaction, it was inevitable that nineteenth-century “scientific” enlightenment should one day dawn in Russia.
Lincoln Harris
But what is more than curious – indeed, piquant to a degree – is that an ancient God of storm and frenzy, the long quiescent Wotan, should awake, like an extinct volcano, to new activity, in a civilized country that had long been supposed to have outgrown the Middle Ages. We have seen him come to life in the German Youth Movement, and right at the beginning the blood of several sheep was shed in honour of his resurrection. Armed with rucksack and lute, blond youths, and sometimes girls as well, were to be seen as restless wanderers on every road from North Cape to Sicily, faithful votaries of the roving god. Later, towards the end of the Weimar Republic, the wandering role was taken over by thousands of unemployed, who were to be met with everywhere on their aimless journeys. By 1933 they wandered no longer, but marched in their hundreds of thousands. The Hitler movement literally brought the whole of Germany to its feet, from five-year-olds to veterans, and produced a spectacle of a nation migrating from one place to another. Wotan the wanderer was on the move. He could be seen, looking rather shamefaced, in the meeting-house of a sect of simple folk in North Germany, disguised as Christ sitting on a white horse. I do not know if these people were aware of Wotan’s ancient connection with the figures of Christ and Dionysus, but it is not very probable.
Henry Morales
Wotan is a restless wanderer who creates unrest and stirs up strife, now here, now there, and works magic. He was soon changed by Christianity into the devil, and only lived on in fading local traditions as a ghostly hunter who was seen with his retinue, flickering like a will o’ the wisp through the stormy night. In the Middle Ages the role of the restless wanderer was taken over by Ahasuerus, the Wandering Jew, which is not a Jewish but a Christian legend. The motif of the wanderer who has not accepted Christ was projected on the Jews, in the same way as we always rediscover our unconscious psychic contents in other people. At any rate the coincidence of anti-Semitism with the reawakening of Wotan is a psychological subtlety that may perhaps be worth mentioning.
The German youths who celebrated the solstice with sheep-sacrifices were not the first to hear the rustling in the primeval forest of unconsciousness. They were anticipated by Nietzsche, Schuler, Stefan George, and Ludwig Klages. The literary tradition of the Rhineland and the country south of the Main has a classical stamp that cannot easily be got rid of; every interpretation of intoxication and exuberance is apt to be taken back to classical models, to Dionysus, to the peur aeternus and the cosmogonic Eros. No doubt it sounds better to academic ears to interpret these things as Dionysus, but Wotan might be a more correct interpretation. He is the god of the storm and frenzy, the unleasher of passions and the lust of battle; moreover he is superlative magician and artist in illusion who is versed in all secrets of an occult nature.
Connor Collins
Nietzsche’s case is certainly a peculiar one. He had no knowledge of Germanic literature; he discovered the “cultural Philistine”; and the announcement that “God is dead” led to Zarathustra’s meeting with an unknown god in unexpected form, who approached him sometimes as an enemy and sometimes disguised as Zarathustra himself. Zarathustra, too, was a soothsayer, a magician, and the storm-wind.
And like a wind shall I come to blow among them, and with my spirit shall take away the breath of their spirit; thus my future wills it.
Truly, a strong wind is Zarathustra to all that are low; and this counsel gives he to his enemies and to all that spit and spew: “Beware of spitting against the wind.”
And when Zarathustra dreamed that he was guardian of the graves in the “lone mountain forest of death,” and was making a mighty effort to open the gates, suddenly
A roaring wind tore the gates asunder; whistling, shrieking, and keening, it cast a black coffin before me.
And amid the roaring and whistling and shrieking the coffin burst open and spouted a thousand peals of laughter.
The disciple who interpreted the dream said to Zarathustra:
Are you not yourself the wind with shrill whistling, which bursts open the gates of the fortress of death?
Are you not yourself the coffin filled with life’s gay malice and angel-grimaces?
Nicholas Miller
In 1863 or 1864, in his poem To the Unknown God, Nietzsche had written:
I shall and will know thee, Unknown One, Who searchest out the depths of my soul, And blowest through my life like a storm, Ungraspable, and yet my kinsman! I shall and will know thee, and serve thee.
Twenty years later, in his Mistral Song, he wrote:
Mistral wind, chaser of clouds, Killer of gloom, sweeper of the skies, Raging storm-wind, how I love thee! Are we not both the first-fruits Of the same womb, forever predestined To the same fate?
In the dithyramb known as Ariadne’s Lament, Nietzsche is completely the victim of the hunter-god:
Stretched out, shuddering, Like a half-dead thing whose feet are warmed, Shaken by unknown fevers, Shivering with piercing icy frost arrows Hunted by thee, O thought, Unutterable! Veiled! Horrible one! Thou huntsman behind the cloud. Struck down by thy lightening bolt, Thou mocking eye that stares at me from the dark! Thus I lie. Writhing, twisted, tormented With all eternal tortures. Smitten By thee, cruel huntsman, Thou unknown – God!
Elijah Torres
This remarkable image of the hunter-god is not a mere dithyrambic figure of speech but is based on an experience which Nietzsche had when he was fifteen years old, at Pforta. It is described in a book by Nietzsche’s sister, Elizabeth Foerster-Nietzsche. As he was wandering in a gloomy wood at night, he was terrified by a “blood-curdling shriek from a neighbouring lunatic asylum,” and soon afterwards he came face to face with a huntsman whose “features were wild and uncanny.” Setting his whistle to his lips “in a valley surrounded by wild scrub,” the huntsman “blew such as a shrill blast” that Nietzsche lost consciousness – but woke up again in Pforta. It was a nightmare. It is significant that in his dream Nietzsche, who in reality intended to go to Eisleben, Luther’s town, discussed with the huntsman the question of going instead to “Teutschenthal” (Valley of the Germans). No one with ears can misunderstand the shrill whistling of the storm-god in the nocturnal wood.
Was it really only the classical philologist in Nietzsche that led to the god being called Dionysus instead of Wotan – or was it perhaps due to his fateful meeting with Wagner?
In his Reich ohne Raum, which was first published in 1919, Bruno Goetz saw the secret of coming events in Germany in the form of a very strange vision. I have never forgotten this little book, for it struck me at the time as a forecast of the German weather. It anticipates the conflict between the realm of ideas and life, between Wotan’s dual nature as a god of storm and a god of secret musings. Wotan disappeared when his oaks fell and appeared again when the Christian God proved too weak to save Christendom from fratricidal slaughter. When the Holy Father at Rome could only impotently lament before God the fate of the grex segregatus, the one-eyed old hunter, on the edge of the German forest, laughed and saddled Sleipnir.
Jonathan Russell
We are always convinced that the modern world is a reasonable world, basing our opinion on economic, political, and psychological factors. But if we may forget for a moment that we are living in the year of Our Lord 1936, and, laying aside our well-meaning, all-too human reasonableness, may burden God or the gods with the responsibility for contemporary events instead of man, we would find Wotan quite suitable as a casual hypothesis. In fact, I venture the heretical suggestion that the unfathomable depths of Wotan’s character explain more of National Socialism than all three reasonable factors put together. There is no doubt that each of these factors explains an important aspect of what is going on in Germany, but Wotan explains yet more. He is particularly enlightening in regard to a general phenomenon, which is so strange to anybody not a German that it remains incomprehensible, even after the deepest reflection.
Perhaps we may sum up this general phenomenon as Ergriffenheit – a state of being seized or possessed. The term postulates not only an Ergriffener (one who is seized) but, also, an Ergreifer (one who seizes). Wotan is an Ergreifer of men, and, unless one wishes to deify Hitler – which has indeed actually happened – he is really the only explanation. It is true that Wotan shares this quality with his cousin Dionysus, but Dionysus seems to have exercised his influence mainly on women. The maenads were a species of female storm-troopers, and, according to mythical reports, were dangerous enough. Wotan confined himself to the berserkers, who found their vocation as the Blackshirts of mythical kings.
Ryder Baker
A mind that is still childish thinks of the gods as metaphysical entities existing in their own right, or else regards them as playful or superstitious inventions. From either point of view the parallel between Wotan redivivus and the social, political, and psychic storm that is shaking Germany might have at least the value of parable. But since the gods are without doubt personifications of psychic forces, to assert their metaphysical existence is as much an intellectual presumption as the opinion that they could ever be invented. Not that “psychic forces” have anything to do with the conscious mind, fond as we are of playing with the idea that consciousness and psyche are identical. This is only another piece of intellectual presumption. “Psychic forces” have far more to do with the realm of the unconscious. Our mania for rational explanations obviously has its roots in our fear of metaphysics, for the two were always hostile brothers. Hence, anything unexpected that approaches us from the dark realm is regarded either as coming from outside and, therefore, as real, or else as a hallucination and, therefore, not true. The idea that anything could be real or true which does not come from outside has hardly begun to dawn on contemporary man.
For the sake of better understanding and to avoid prejudice, we could of course dispense with the name “Wotan” and speak instead of the furor Teutonicus. But we should only be saying the same thing and not as well, for the furor in this case is a mere psychologizing of Wotan and tells us no more than that the Germans are in a state of “fury.” We thus lose sight of the most peculiar feature of this whole phenomenon, namely, the dramatic aspect of the Ergreifer and the Ergriffener. The impressive thing about the German phenomenon is that one man, who is obviously “possessed,” has infected a whole nation to such an extent that everything is set in motion and has started rolling on its course towards perdition.
Brody Fisher
modern day pagans are just larpers. most shit known about paganism was destroyed a while ago
Joshua Hughes
It seems to me that Wotan hits the mark as an hypothesis. Apparently he really was only asleep in the Kyffhauser mountain until the ravens called him and announced the break of day. He is a fundamental attribute of the German psyche, an irrational psychic factor which acts on the high pressure of civilization like a cyclone and blows it away. Despite their crankiness, the Wotan-worshippers seem to have judged things more correctly than the worshippers of reason. Apparently everyone had forgotten that Wotan is a Germanic datum of first importance, the trust expression and unsurpassed personification of a fundamental quality that is particularly characteristic of the Germans. Houston Stewart Chamberlain is a symptom which arouses suspicion that other veiled gods may be sleeping elsewhere. The emphasis on the German race – commonly called “Aryan” – the Germanic heritage, blood and soil, the Wagalaweia songs, the ride of the Valkyries, Jesus as a blond and blue-eyed hero, the Greek mother of St. Paul, the devil as an international Alberich in Jewish or Masonic guise, the Nordic aurora borealis as the light of civilization, the inferior Mediterranean races – all this is the indispensable scenery for the drama that is taking place and at the bottom they all mean the same thing: a god has taken possession of the Germans and their house is filled with a “mighty rushing wind.” It was soon after Hitler seized power, if I am not mistaken, that a cartoon appeared in Punch of a raving berserker tearing himself free from his bonds. A hurricane has broken loose in Germany while we still believe it is fine weather.
Austin Williams
Things are comparatively quite in Switzerland, though occasionally there is a puff of wind from the north or south. Sometimes it has a slightly ominous sound, sometimes it whispers so harmlessly or even idealistically that no one is alarmed. “Let the sleeping dogs lie” – we manage to get along pretty well with this proverbial wisdom. It is sometimes said that the Swiss are singularly averse to making a problem of themselves. I must rebut this accusation: the Swiss do have their problems, but they would not admit it for anything in the world, even though they see which way the wind is blowing. We thus pay our tribute to the time of storm and stress in Germany, but we never mention it, and this enables us to feel vastly superior.
It is above all the Germans who have an opportunity, perhaps unique in history, to look into their own hearts and to learn what those perils of the soul were from which Christianity tried to rescue mankind. Germany is a land of spiritual catastrophes, where nature never makes more than a pretense of peace with the world-ruling reason. The disturber of the peace is a wind that blows into Europe from Asia’s vastness, sweeping in on a wide front from Thrace to the Baltic, scattering the nations before it like dry leaves, or inspiring thoughts that shake the world to its foundations. It is an elemental Dionysus breaking into the Apollonian order. The rouser of this Tempest is named Wotan, and we can learn a good deal about him from the political confusion and spiritual upheaval he has caused throughout history. For a more exact investigation of his character, however, we must go back to the age of myths, which did not explain everything in terms of man and his limited capabilities, but sought the deeper cause in the psyche and its autonomous powers.
Samuel Wright
Man’s earliest intuitions personified these powers as gods, and described them in the myths with great care and circumstantiality according to their various characters. This could be done the more readily on account of the firmly established primordial types or images which are innate in the unconscious of many races and exercise a direct influence upon them. Because the behavior of a race takes on its specific character from its underlying images, we can speak of an archetype “Wotan.” As an autonomous psychic factor, Wotan produces effects in the collective life of a people and thereby reveals his own nature. For Wotan has a peculiar biology of his own, quite apart from the nature of man. It is only from time to time that individuals fall under the irresistible influence of this unconscious factor. When it is quiescent, one is no more aware of the archetype Wotan than of a latent epilepsy. Could the Germans who were adults in 1914 have foreseen what they would be today? Such amazing transformations are the effect of the god of wind, that “bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, nor whither it goeth.” It seizes everything in its path and overthrows everything that is not firmly rooted. When the wind blows it shakes everything that is insecure, whether without or within.
Christian Thompson
Martin Ninck has recently published a monograph which is a most welcome addition to our knowledge of Wotan’s nature. The reader need not fear that this book is nothing but a scientific study written with academic aloofness from the subject. Certainly the right to scientific objectivity is fully preserved, and the material has been collected with extraordinary thoroughness and presented in unusually clear form. But, over and above all this, one feels that the author is vitally interested in it, that the chord of Wotan is vibrating in him, too. This is no criticism – on the contrary, it is one of the chief merits of the book, which without this enthusiasm might easily have degenerated into a tedious catalogue. Ninck sketches a really magnificent portrait of the German archetype Wotan. He describes him in ten chapters, using all the available sources, as the berserker, the god of storm, the wanderer, the warrior, the Wunsch- and Minne-god, the lord of the dead and of the Einherjar, the master of secret knowledge, the magician, and the god of the poets. Neither the Valkyries nor the Fylgja are forgotten, for they form part of the mythological background and fateful significance of Wotan. Ninck’s inquiry into the name and its origin is particularly instructive. He shows that Wotan is not only a god of rage and frenzy who embodies the instinctual and emotional aspect of the unconscious. Its intuitive and inspiring side, also, manifests itself in him, for he understands the runes and can interpret fate.
Ayden Howard
We are supposed to go to war.. it's what we are good at it... purge when?
Mason Harris
The Romans identified Wotan with Mercury, but his character does not really corresponded to any Roman or Greek god, although there are certain resemblances. He is a wanderer like Mercury, for instance, he rules over the dead like Pluto and Kronos, and is connected with Dionysus by his emotional frenzy, particularly in its mantic aspect. It is surprising that Ninck does not mention Hermes, the god of revelation, who as pneuma and nous is associated with the wind. He would be the connecting-link with the Christian pneuma and the miracle of Pentecost. As Poimandres (the shepherd of men), Hermes is an Ergreifer like Wotan. Ninck rightly points out that Dionysus and the other Greek gods always remained under the supreme authority of Zeus, which indicates a fundamental difference between the Greek and Germanic temperament. Ninck assumes an inner affinity between Wotan and Kronos, and the latter’s defeat may perhaps be a sign that the Wotan-archetype was once overcome and split up in prehistoric times. At all events, the Germanic god represents a totality on a very primitive level, a psychological condition in which man’s will was almost identical with the god’s and entirely at his mercy. But the Greeks had gods who helped man against other gods; indeed, All-Father Zeus himself is not far from the ideal of a benevolent, enlightened despot.
Nathan Martin
It was not in Wotan’s nature to linger on and show signs of old age. He simply disappeared when the times turned against him, and remained invisible for more than a thousand years, working anonymously and indirectly. Archetypes are like riverbeds which dry up when the water deserts them, but which it can find again at anytime. An archetype is like an old watercourse along which the water of life has flowed for centuries, digging a deep channel for itself. The longer it has flowed in this channel the more likely it is that sooner or later the water will return to its old bed. The life of the individual as a member of society and particularly as a part of the state may be regulated like a canal, but the life of nations is a great rushing river which is utterly beyond human control, in the hands of One who has always been stronger than men. The League of Nations, which was supposed to possess supernatural authority, is regarded by some as a child in need of care and protection, by others as an abortion. Thus, the life of nations rolls on unchecked, without guidance, unconscious of where it is going, like a rock crashing down the side of a hill, until it is stopped by an obstacle stronger than itself. Political events move from one impasse to the next, like a torrent caught in gullies, creeks and marshes. All human control comes to an end when the individual is caught in a mass movement. Then, the archetypes begin to function, as happens, also, in the lives of individuals when they are confronted with situations that cannot be dealt with in any of the familiar ways. But what a so-called Fuhrer does with a mass movement can plainly be seen if we turn our eyes to the north or south of our country.
Charles Martin
The ruling archetype does not remain the same forever, as is evident from the temporal limitations that have been set to the hoped-for reign of peace, the “thousand-year Reich.” The Mediterranean father-archetype of the just, order-loving, benevolent ruler had been shattered over the whole of northern Europe, as the present fate of the Christian churches bears witness. Fascism in Italy and the civil war in Spain show that in the south as well the cataclysm has been far greater than one expected. Even the Catholic Church can no longer afford trials of strength.
The nationalist God has attacked Christianity on a broad front. In Russia, he is called technology and science, in Italy, Duce, and in Germany, “German Faith,” “German Christianity,” or the State. “The German Christians” are a contradiction in many terms and would do better to join Hauer’s “German Faith Movement.” These are decent and well-meaning people who honestly admit their Ergriffenheit and try to come to terms with this new and undeniable fact. They go to an enormous amount of trouble to make it look less alarming by dressing it up in a conciliatory historical garb and giving us consoling glimpses of great figures such as Meister Eckhart, who was, also, a German and, also, ergriffen. In this way the awkward question of who the Ergreifer is is circumvented. He was always “God.” But the more Hauer restricts the world-wide sphere of Indo-European culture to the “Nordic” in general and to the Edda in particular, and the more “German” this faith becomes as a manifestation of Ergriffenheit, the more painfully evident it is that the “German” god is the god of the Germans.
Tyler Butler
One cannot read Hauer’s book without emotion, if one regards it as the tragic and really heroic effort of a conscientious scholar who, without knowing how it happened to him, was violently summoned by the inaudible voice of the Ergreifer and is now trying with all his might, and with all his knowledge and ability, to build a bridge between the dark forces of life and the shining world of historical ideas. But what do all the beauties of the past from totally different levels of culture mean to the man of today, when confronted with a living and unfathomable tribal god such as he has never experienced before? They are sucked like dry leaves into the roaring whirlwind, and the rhythmic alliterations of the Edda became inextricably mixed up with Christian mystical texts, German poetry and the wisdom of the Upanishads. Hauer himself is ergriffen by the depths of meaning in the primal words lying at the root of the Germanic languages, to an extent that he certainly never knew before. Hauer the Indologist is not to blame for this, nor yet the Edda; it is rather the fault of kairos – the present moment in time – whose name on closer investigation turns out to be Wotan. I would, therefore, advise the German Faith Movement to throw aside their scruples. Intelligent people will not confuse them with the crude Wotan-worshipers whose faith is a mere pretense. There are people in the German Faith Movement who are intelligent enough not only to believe, but to know, that the god of the Germans is Wotan and not the Christian God. This is a tragic experience and no disgrace. It has always been terrible to fall into the hands of a living god. Yahweh was no exception to this rule, and the Philistines, Edomites, Amorites, and the rest, who were outside the Yahweh experience, must certainly have found it exceedingly disagreeable.
Jace Bennett
he Semitic experience of Allah was for a long time an extremely painful affair for the whole of Christendom. We who stand outside judge the Germans far too much, as if they were responsible agents, but perhaps it would be nearer the truth to regard them, also, as victims.
If we apply our admittedly peculiar point of view consistently, we are driven to conclude that Wotan must, in time, reveal not only the restless, violent, stormy side of his character, but, also, his ecstatic and mantic qualities – a very different aspect of his nature. If this conclusion is correct, National Socialism would not be the last word. Things must be concealed in the background which we cannot imagine at present, but we may expect them to appear in the course of the next few years or decades. Wotan’s reawakening is stepping into the past; the stream was dammed up and has broken into its old channel. But the Obstruction will not last forever; it is rather a reculer pour mieux sauter, and the water will overleap the obstacle. Then, at last, we shall know what Wotan is saying when he “murmurs with Mimir’s head.
Ryder Myers
That's it. Hitler chose the swastika for a reason. Jews fear Odin. Have a wonderful day.
>Did you know that when you read about Snow White and the Wicked Queen who came over the mountains, that those mountains she had to cross each time she came to kill Snow White were the Alps, and that the Queen came from Rome, the deadly enemy of everything Nordic? Think about the Queen’s Daily query: “Mirror, mirror on the wall, Who is the fairest of them all?” When you think of this saying think about Rome, which could not rest until everything Nordic, bright and joyful was exterminated, and only darkness remained – dark like the Wicked queen in the fairy tale, so that she could be the fairest in all the land, after everything white was dead.
>That which came over the southern mountains to us tolerated no peers. Everything had to kneel before it and kiss its feet. When the queen came over the Alps the first time, dressed as a peddler from a distant land, she offered Snow White a bewitched corset – bewitched because it was alien. Then she pulled the laces so tight that Snow White fainted and fell. The emissaries of Rome bound the Nordic spirit in the suffocating bonds of alien concepts and deceitful words.
There is a reason that in the hebrew creation story, a woman eating from the sacred tree was the downfall. Whereas, in the European stories there are multiple accounts of women, like Idunn, having enchanted golden apples. Same with snakes. St. George the dragon slayer, or St. Patrick the snake killer.
Thomas Williams
*snakes as in the stories of St. George, and Patrick
Luke Martin
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Colton Johnson
Cool. Thanks for the link. Reading it now.
Evan Kelly
It's always Jewish influenced Americans with no foreskin bashing Asatru.
Kayden Flores
>he actually believes in paganism
Alexander White
Pagan nu-male
Cooper Cooper
Reminder that fedoras/LARPagans are Leftist globalist trash that do not breed.
Ryder Brooks
Another Semite mad the goyim dont care for their "everyone is equal and we all go to heaven" memes
Asher Nelson
modern day pagans are just larpers though, most of what is known about paganism was destroyed a while ago.
Austin Scott
I'm not religious so you can stop with the goyim shit but if paganism is so superior than why is it a dead religion. Also paganism is liberal hipster cringe tier material.
Jackson Mitchell
Sorry about your foreskins burgers. I hear the bells of Israel ringing , i guess youd better finish your budweiser and get off to war for them!
Parker Stewart
>hey guys, spain was taken over by the moors, so we should just accept it >hey goys, the financial system is the only one we've known, we can't change it >hey guys, i know the tribe are a bunch of liars and everything, but their holy book is the only one we have, and it's the literal word of god.
William Allen
not an argument
Kayden Torres
bump
Daniel Gutierrez
> Paganism is so cool > Muh ancestors > We wuz Vikings > American foreskin Jew > Never had my foreskin touched by a woman
Huge fag leaf. Yuge
Jack Ortiz
For another perspective on Wodan, check out this book. Basically, Wodin was a turncoat if true.
This is predicated upon metaphysical atheism and ultimately materialism. There is nothing Pagan about denying all the gods in such a way. They either exist or they do not, you and I both know this in our hearts but tall this talk of psychology, the unconscious, the German soul, it is merely comforting rhetoric. There is nothing substantial to any of these other than the backing of the old stories, which have nothing to gain from being tied to this new age of """reason"""". If you believe in Wotan you believe in Christ. To say Wotan is within you is to deny him entirely.
Ethan Anderson
bump.
Alexander Gray
You didn't even read this thread lmao. Everyone filter this faggot.
Liam Wilson
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Gavin Williams
You could say the same points about christianity. study the traditional roman Catholicism and you will realize that all of their celebrations are rooted in pagan ritual anyway.
The archetypes of man work as ancient knowledge that lies within us.. in the soul.
There is proof of animals who are born with knowledge that was never learned. Such as a spider that knows how to make a web at birth, or a mouse who has never seen a snake, shreiking in terror at the sight of a snakes shadow.
There is a spiritual factor to the european man this is undeniable.. yet christian and foreign religions do not speak to our soul. These faiths were only made work for us by incorporating pagan rituals within the faith.
Christianity is dying and the white men are left searching for the spiritual void within them. Make as many strawmans as you want but there is no more suited faith for the european man than wodanism.
The reason this essay is interesting is because this same phenomenon of Germans finding Odin prior to WW2. The pagan symbolism was simply slandered since the war bcause the Jews hate tghe idea of a non inclusive religion for the white man that does not praise the chosen ones from Israel.
Connor Ross
Who is really the one being jewed?
Julian Reed
Bump, Heil Wotan.
Elijah Miller
Atheism is a plague on humanity. Whats your point?
Thomas Morales
>Sweden >Germany
How are these pagan? And what does Atheism have to do with paganism? They are ATHEIST countries that have been so jewed that the few "pagans" there are considered ebil neo-nazis. Poland is 90% Catholic; and Catholicism is hte most pagan of the Christian churches. Really makes you think.
Nicholas Watson
My point is paganism is really really gay. You are like this larper fag drooling over this moldy locks dike
Connor Morgan
Okay, and I say Christ is gay. Its not a very impressive argument and surely you realize its not going to have much impact on me.
I dont pray to the gods and think that thor is in the sky. When you read into it enough you will find that Christ and Thor and Zeus are actually very alike and likely based on the same hero.
I believe in the metaphorical archetypes represented by these idols and I believe in an exclusive spirituality for European men only.
The only people triggered by this idea are dirty Semites.
Joseph Roberts
Wicca and most neo pagans are just larpers, that is true. But pagans like varg care less about dressing up and larping and more about the traditions, morals, stories, etc. The actual substance of real paganism.
Jacob Kelly
why do pagan threads get so much hate? i think they're aesthetics and stuff like botany is pretty cool and i have no quarrel with pagans.
Eli Diaz
usually don't post in these threads but i'll give OP a second bump for his efforts. at least its not another thread about millennials drama or shit skins.
Aiden Allen
AESTHETIC >E S >T H >E T >I C
Noah Adams
Christfags have no arguements other than calling pagans "larpers" and other ad hominem attacks. Sure, some are, but the same could be said about Christianity.
Cameron Thomas
Daily reminder that christcucks are praying to a dead jew. Christianity and islam are both jewish controlled opposition.
I don't get it. What's cringe about pointing out the difference between the larping you harp on about and the spiritual, tradition based practices of people genuinely interested in preserving true European traditions?
Zachary Evans
Sacrifice yourself to Odin faggot
Connor Sanchez
you're assuming people like ID: RBDODWHV actually want to be constructive, to repair and build the human race to beauty and order. mate this dude is here to shit post and relieve stress of his days work. don't respond to autistic subhuman garbage.
Ryder Thomas
>defeatist attitude >sour grapes
At least they aren't fucked up in the head from the semitic woman hatred of biblical ideology. Wait, no, women are just there for you to fuck and control, right? After all, that's their only REAL value, amirite?
Juan Cook
Ya women must submit to my cock. I bet you try to make woman feel good by be kind and considerate. They secretly want to be thrashed around and smashed hard in bed.
Connor Scott
>he doesn't know how the filter works Get out of here Rabbi and take your neo-Marxist propaganda with you. >archetypes of man work as ancient knowledge that lies within us.. in the soul Prove it. Pagans always claim it's in their soul but then provide nothing to support that other than feelings. Even Varg said that paganism is all about feelings on his blog. >citing instinct as the soul You know you're being dishonest. >do not speak to our soul Yet they've dominated Europe longer than the currently revived pagan tradition. Christ has been in Europe longer than Thor, but go on. Forget this, forget the evolution of man. >finding Odin prior to World War Two What connection does it actually have aside from these speculations? What if Christianity is true? What what Christ said was actually true? What if Woden was a bastardized through the ages version of God? Would you let your hatred for the Jews make you blind to everything? Blind to the fact that because the Jews were hyper inclusive they protected the truest idea of God? Or what about the greatest work of literature in the European world being the confluence of Christianity and Paganism? Whom does Odin worship in his altar to the unnamed God in his hall of the slain? Pagans forget that Odin is no more a god than they are. Is he not your priest, your guiding soul? Something which leads you to the greater divine truth? The truth when the sky touched aearth and God came to Man rather than Man coming to God?
Anthony Wood
You're right, but I can't help myself replying to shitposts like that.
James Miller
Dude, just ignore the jew. Theyre very triggered by happy men of pure Saxon blood. Jews are endlessly envious and spiteful.
Ethan Hall
>no real arguments >smuggie about apriori ruling out the perspective of the opposition >illiterate heckeling from the least productive of the Northmen >you must follow this system of beliefs to a T or you aren't European
Blake King
The story of Wodin
>Hills, bow your heads; weep, ye streams and clouds. Yes. Schoonland * (Scandinavia) blushes, an enslaved people tramples on your garment, O Frya. One hundred and one years after the submersion of Aldland † a people came out of the East. That people was driven by another. Behind us, in Twiskland (Germany), they fell into disputes, divided into two parties, and each went its own way. Of the one no account has come to us, but the other came in the back of our Schoonland, which was thinly inhabited, particularly the upper part. Therefore they were able to take possession of it without contest, and as they did no other harm, we would not make war about it. Now that we have learned to know them, we will describe their customs, and after that how matters went between us. They were not wild people, like most of Finda's race; but, like the Egyptians, they have priests and also statues in their churches. The priests are the only rulers; they call themselves Magyars, and their headman Magy. He is high priest and king in one. The rest of the people are of no account, and in subjection to them. This people have not even a name; but we call them Finns, because although all the festivals are melancholy and bloody, they are so formal that we are inferior to them in that respect. But still they are not to be envied, because they are slaves to their priests, and still more to their creeds. They believe that evil spirits abound everywhere, and enter into men and beasts, but of Wr-alda's spirit they know nothing. They have weapons of stone, the Magyars of copper. The Magyars affirm that they can exorcise and recall the evil spirits, and this frightens the people, so that you never see a cheerful face. When they were well established, the Magyars sought our friendship, they praised our language and customs, our cattle and iron weapons, which they would willingly have exchanged for their gold and silver ornaments
Zachary Nelson
Lame and gay
Jack Phillips
>and they always kept their people within their own boundaries, and that outwitted our watchfulness.
>Eighty years afterwards, just at the time of the Juulfeest, they overran our country like a snowstorm driven by the wind. All who could not flee away were killed. Frya was appealed to, but the Schoonlanders (Scandinavians) had neglected her advice. Then all the forces were assembled, and three hours from Godasburgt * they were withstood, but war continued. Kat or Katerine was the name of the priestess who was Burgtmaagd of Godasburgt. Kat was proud and haughty, and would neither seek counsel nor aid from the mother; but when the Burgtheeren (citizens) knew this, they themselves sent messengers to Texland to the Eeremoeder. Minna—this was the name of the mother—summoned all the sailors and the young men from Oostflyland and Denmark. From this expedition the history of Wodin sprang, which is inscribed on the citadels, and is here copied. At Aldergamude † there lived an old sea-king whose name was Sterik, and whose deeds were famous. This old fellow had three nephews. Wodin, the eldest, lived at Lumkamakia ‡, near the Eemude, in Oostflyland, with his parents. He had once commanded troops. Teunis and Inka were naval warriors, and were just then staying with their father at Aldergamude. When the young warriors had assembled together, they chose Wodin to be their leader or king, and the naval force chose Teunis for their sea-king and Inka for their admiral. The navy then sailed to Denmark, where they took on board Wodin and his valiant host.
Mason Wright
>The wind was fair, so they arrived immediately * in Schoonland. When the northern brothers met together, Wodin divided his powerful army into three bodies. Frya was their war-cry, and they drove back the Finns and Magyars like children. When the Magy heard how his forces had been utterly defeated, he sent messengers with truncheon and crown, who said to Wodin: O almighty king we are guilty, but all that we have done was done from necessity. You think that we attacked your brothers out of illwill, but we were driven out by our enemies, who are still at our heels. We have often asked your Burgtmaagd for help, but she took no notice of us. The Magy says that if we kill half our numbers in fighting with each other, then the wild shepherds will come and kill all the rest. The Magy possesses great riches, but he has seen that Frya is much more powerful than all our spirits together. He will lay down his head in her lap. You are the most warlike king on the earth, and your people are of iron. Become our king, and we will all be your slaves. What glory it would be for you if you could drive back the savages! Our trumpets would resound with your praises, and the fame of your deeds would precede you everywhere. Wodin was strong, fierce, and warlike, but he was not clear-sighted, therefore he was taken in their toils, and crowned by the Magy.
Elijah Myers
Reminder that godless Leftcucks like LARPaganism because it's against Christianity. If mudslimes weren't sandniggers, the fedoras would convert, and some of them actually do.
Jack Morales
>Jews are endlessly envious Of what? Say what you want about the Jews but you can't say they are short on achievements. Trickery and deceit that would make Odin jealous, in fact judging by the levels of pagan asspain it just might. Why do you pray to a god who wants to see you die so that you might be enslaved by him and ultimately die a second time and for good that time?
Carter Gray
>Very many of the sailors and soldiers to whom this proceeding was displeasing went away secretly, taking Kat with them. But Kat, who did not wish to appear before either the mother or the general assembly, jumped overboard. Then a storm arose and drove the ships upon the banks of Denmark, with the total destruction of their crews. This strait was afterwards called the Kattegat †.
>When Wodin was crowned, he attacked the savages, who were all horsemen, and fell upon Wodin's * troops like a hailstorm; but like a whirlwind they were turned back, and did not dare to appear again. When Wodin returned, Magy gave him his daughter to wife. Whereupon he was incensed with herbs; but they were magic herbs, and by degrees he became so audacious that he dared to disavow and ridicule the spirits of Frya and Wr-alda, while he bent his free head before the false and deceitful images. His reign lasted seven years, and then he disappeared. The Magy said that he was taken up by their gods and still reigned over us, but our people laughed at what they said. When Wodin had disappeared some time, disputes arose. We wished to choose another king, but the Magy would not permit it. He asserted that it was his right given him by his idols. But besides this dispute there was one between the Magyars and Finns, who would honour neither Frya nor Wodin; but the Magy did just as he pleased, because his daughter had a son by Wodin, and he would have it that this son was of high descent. While all were disputing and quarrelling, he crowned the boy as king, and set up himself as guardian and counsellor. Those who cared more for themselves than for justice let him work his own way, but the good men took their departure. Many Magyars fled back with their troops, and the sea-people took ship, accompanied by a body of stalwart Finns as rowers.
Dylan Sullivan
Tradition.
Folk.
Family.
Ryder Stewart
>implying I demand complete obedience to any authority
I'm a lolbertarian mate.
John Howard
Exactly this guy is smart buckos
Wyatt Gray
So then Christian Europeans are real Europeans?
Jack Thomas
pls no
Nolan Perry
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Kevin Thompson
¡Jea! ¡Jea! ¡Jea!
Yo soy mi propio enemigo, busco a los mensajeros.
¡Jea! ¡Jea! ¡Jea!
Mi espejo mágico está humeando Aquí los tengo que ver
¡Jea! ¡Jea! ¡Jea!
Mis tíos los emplumados de negro, en la noche los veré.
¡Jea! ¡Jea! ¡Jea!
A los que rigen la marcha del día... ¡yo traigo el signo cinco!
¡Jea! ¡Jea! ¡Jea!
Hudson Williams
Jews have been spiteful of the pure blooded white men since the dawn of time. They are butthurt that theyve been mixed with disgusting sandpeople. Its the reason they killed Jesus. They will never be us and theyre entire existence is based on leeching off of our accomplishments. Go pray to YHWH kike.
Justin Lee
paganism and christianity are the same thing. odin and jesus are both astrotheological allegories for the sun.
what gramsci was really trying to say in that picture is that socialism (or government and moral relativism) must overcome the belief in a creator (or free people and moral objectivity).
he was saying he needs the masses to convert their beliefs to satanism. may 1st is the satanic high holiday and communist high holiday for a reason.
paganism is extremely fascist because of its strict adherence to nature.
William Parker
If they're European by blood. If you want my full opinion, anyone with approximately 90% European DNA is European. However I believe all Europeans should return to the old gods; if they don't, that's their loss. I'm against varg on the whole being against all Christians thing and lean more towards Styxhexenhammer's stance of "it depends on the sect". Some forms of Christianity are basically pagan with a middle eastern aesthetic imo, and vice versa.
Christopher Perez
Kill yourself.
Chase Hill
>Jews have always been spiteful Yes, but why? >they're mixed They're mixed? Why don't they hate pure Africans, pure Asians, or pure Arabs? Why only pure whites? And why do they hate all whites, not just the """"pure"""" Aryans? >Leeching Is that why they dominate in high IQ fields? >pray to YHWH I'd rather pray to God than his priest (Odin) How many times do we need to have these threads, ODIN IS NOT A GOD, his entire story is centered around him finding the divine, not being divine. My god you people are fucking idiots. Odin comes to guide you and you start worshipping him. Just like the Jews who worshipped angels instead of God. >kike How long have you been here? We don't throw these terms around uselessly, you're making them into buzzwords and ultimately undermining ANY pro-European movement by destroying our terminology because you can't defend your ideas.
OK butthurt kike, Sorry my thread offends you so much.
Jonathan Sanchez
>muh paganism, muh vikignz >meanwhile Ahmed is fucking his sister.
Caleb King
>their loss Hail the king not his messenger. If Odin is our guiding spirit then what does he guide us towards? To what end!? Just more propagation of ourselves!? That's not eternal life it's death with a gamble that you don't even gain from in the end! Is there no higher purpose from Odin, our wise and cunning warrior priest? Why would he lead us to a dead end? We'd arrive at the same problems we have today. Suppose this pagan revival leads once again to a Christian Europe, you better eat your words and accept that Odin's purpose isn't ultimately meaningless.
Camden Hill
>get btfo >"Muh kikes Muh kikes" It's like when Jews paint Swastikas on synagogues.
Gavin Gutierrez
>'Traditional roman Catholic ritual rooted in pagan ritual anyway' >instead of being Catholic as the closest possible continuation of the customs of his pagan ancestors, decides to LARP some ideology that allows him to play make-believe
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, OP you truly are a massive faggot.
Colton Mitchell
Is it true that whenever lightning strikes, Thor strikes an anvil with his hammer?
Samuel Watson
>instead of finding his ancestors religion and discovering more of his culture let's just worship a jew because it's here
lol what kind of non-argument is this?
Owen Brooks
>jesus is an astrotheological allegory for the sun
Wyatt Edwards
You don't have to believe in the degeneracy called paganism to know about your culture.
Bentley Fisher
CIDF will probably flood this thread with anti-pagan memes and comments, but I genuinely think Paganism should be revived through out Europe, so long as it's genuine, not LARPing, and not a sausage fest. Non-whites and refugees tend to reside in extremely small places in the large cities, and even they're not immune to fertility decline and the unwilling pact they have with the left (which destroys them, whether they know it or not). So, if Pagans fuck off to the countryside, have shit tons of European children, become self-sufficient, we can repopulate our nations, and eventually organize into a powerful force.
Matthew Johnson
>Muh ancestors Your "ancestors" haven't been pagan for 800 years. And if your not Nordic than they haven't been pagan for over 1000 years. You are in fact denying your own culture. The only people who are still polytheistic are poo loo's in India.
