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FAQ: >Do you support open borders? No. The government does not own the land, therefore it cannot determine the border policy. Seeing as 90% of immigration is harmful to the country, by default a vetting system is essential to protect the rights of the citizens. >Whom'st'd'll've builds the roads? The people who are going to use them will pay the road crews, and maintenance is provided by the toll money. >Do you support drug use/other degenerate behaviour? No, we strongly discourage it as it damages a society built on non-aggression. Most covenants would be built around family (to fill the void after the government is largely/completely gone), and family life is vulnerable to these socio-pathological behaviours. If degenerates want to form their own communities, they are welcome to choke on their own filth or clean up and become productive members of the society. >Are you Jewish? No, our Jews are better than their Jews. Few movements (apart from NatSocs, duh) have been accused of anti-Semitism as much as we have, and that's including our more moderate/mainstream figureheads, such as Ron Paul. We support Palestine over Israel (because it's their land, not because they're brown) and we strongly support cutting all foreign aid to Israel (and to pretty much everyone). The international financiers would be significantly set back by freeing the currency system and implementing an actual standard for money to prevent over-printing and inflation. Also we don't trade with our enemies, what the fuck. >What will you do when governments take over you/reform? Toss them out of helicopters again. Our crusade is eternal. Liberty or Death!
Jason Rivera
RECOMMENDED READING LIST: ECONOMY >The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith >A Treatise on Political Economy by Jean-Baptiste Say >The Law by Fréderic Bastiat >The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich August von Hayek >The Economics and Ethics of Private Property by Hans-Hermann Hoppe >Man, Economy, and State by Murray Rothbard >Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell POLITICS >Democracy - The God that Failed by Hans-Hermann Hoppe >Second Treatise of Government by John Locke >Anarchy, State and Utopia by Robert Nozick >For a New Liberty by Murray Rothbard >Against the State by Llewellyn Rockwell
Joshua Richardson
MEDIA: GOOD TIER >facebook com/MinarchyMemes - sometimes posts edgy stuff >facebook com/LibertyHangout - adamant fighters against communism >facebook com/theliveshowtv - The Jason Stapleton Program - right-libertarian podcast >youtube com/user/ThatLibertarianT - That Guy T GREAT TIER >facebook com/HoppeanSnakeMemes - the source of the snake memes we keep posting - keep up, nerd >youtube com/user/FreedomFighter631 - Chris Cantwell - host of the Radical Agenda >youtube com/channel/UCRr7mGBwURyRGM2BRPV3hNQ - Augustus Sol Invictus' ramblings and other content >youtube com/channel/UCIwnY7Ee4Kfn8g6tz9tjfzA - 1st Irregulars - former Cantwell's supporters, decided to go even further right >1stirregulars.com - 1st Irregulars' main site >youtube com/user/stefbot - Stefan Molyneux INFORMATIVE TIER >mises.org - Mises Institute >cato.org - Cato Institute >propertyandfreedom.org - Property and Freedom Society >lewrockwell.com - Lew Rockwell
Dylan Rodriguez
VIDEOS: >Christopher Cantwell - How I started hanging out with Nazis - youtube.com/watch?v=2RdnvahTAnU >Christopher Cantwell with Mike Enoch - youtube.com/watch?v=aSz_L1WZS7w >Christopher Cantwell with That Guy T - youtube.com/watch?v=7QYL4w3V_mo >Christopher Cantwell with Jared Howe - youtube.com/watch?v=szqxmnMfB8U >Augustus Sol Invictus - Becoming a Reactionary - youtube.com/watch?v=HPQ9yh0gWoE >Augustus Sol Invictus - The War on Terror - youtube.com/watch?v=wy2O7CPNmqI >Hans-Hermann Hoppe - What Must Be Done - youtube.com/watch?v=d_ybi1MeC3c >1st Irregulars - 1433: National Capitalism and the Correct View - youtube.com/watch?v=eVnDAa1LWpw >That Guy T - The Case for Libertarian Fascism - youtube.com/watch?v=l2-jH1vFrW8
Sebastian Williams
lol you saved that image, noice.
Luis Collins
>Do you support open borders? No, in a private property society the only people who would have "freedom of movement" to enter said property would have to be specifically invited in, by default this would mean no one is allowed in without the property owners consent.
Murray Rothbard had this to say on the matter. >If every piece of land in a country were owned by some person, group, or corporation, this would mean that no person could enter unless invited to enter and allowed to rent or purchase property. A totally privatized country would be as closed as the particular property owners desire. It seems clear, then, that the regime of open borders that exists de facto in the U.S. and Western Europe really amounts to a compulsory opening by the central state, the state in charge of all streets and public land areas, and does not genuinely reflect the wishes of the proprietors.
MUSIC: >Eric July - AnCap Rap pt.1 - youtube.com/watch?v=pGuj-Z3PNg8 >Eric July - AnCap Rap pt.2 - youtube.com/watch?v=zqV4RXLX1Hc >I Need a Pinochet - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o >Ain't I Right - youtube.com/watch?v=XxIbq7HkalQ >Metallica - Don't Tread On Me - youtube.com/watch?v=fh-TKJTCtnw >Dixie's Land - youtube.com/watch?v=IUjLE_N1Cuc >Yankee Doodle - youtube.com/watch?v=IzRhFH5OyHo >Battle of New Orleans (if you counter-signal Jackson I swear on me mum I'll skullfuck you - plus it's a good song so fuck you) - youtube.com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0 >Mi General Augusto Pinochet - youtube.com/watch?v=R9R4zPTpS9w >Adios Mi General - youtube.com/watch?v=5rsb7dT6sEM >Rhodesians Never Die - youtube.com/watch?v=r1J8F6YQjBg >Hammer Of The Right - youtube.com/watch?v=5WzAFG0Wntc >Start Up The Rotors - youtube.com/watch?v=Ptw41GUKLpc
Eli Ramirez
On Degeneracy.
Adrian Roberts
I save most of them. 4th Memetic Supply Army.
Connor Gutierrez
MEMES: >Hoppewave - Physical Removal - youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ >Cato's Speech - Let's get Physical - youtube.com/watch?v=XMqPWqOCGJU >Hoppean Snake Memes - Let The Commies Hit The Floor - youtube.com/watch?v=yy9VvAuCCEg >Stefan Molyneux - In-Depth Analysis of Marxism - youtube.com/watch?v=SGunPi4G2Ns >Hoppean Snake Memes - Shadilay (Meme War against Agoristball) - youtube.com/watch?v=8xBsJUYySNo >Hoppean Snake Memes - Snekintosh 420 - youtube.com/watch?v=JJMdttBmtsY >That Guy T shitposting about the Alt-Right - youtube.com/watch?v=77CdqY4IdgU
Michael Harris
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Dylan Jackson
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Adrian Martin
Recommending The Production of Security by Gustave Molinari, notable for being one of the first elaborations of purely anarcho-capitalist beliefs.
Commies have to take a dirt NAP. The question is: how? Hard mode - no helicopters. Personally, I'd suggest woodchippers while they're still alive and using the ground-up body material as shrapnel in barrel bombs.
Jaxon Jones
>living in a country where the state even owns your organs, and you are a donor by default.
Jonathan Sanders
communist mass graves to plug potholes in our decaying roadways. for fuckin' real?
Robert Powell
Collect Van der Bellend's organs for a change. Fucking Hofer should have just shot him and got crowned Emperor of Austria.
Eli Williams
Yes you have to register as a non donor unlike in other states and people who knows it are totally ok with this. The land of austrian economics became a socialist shithole. Commiefags in theh government are probably those who get the organs first since socialist healthcaresystem
Thomas Barnes
Wow, Hoppe was right. Democracy should have never happened.
Nolan Miller
>goeg.at/de/Bereich/Fragen-und-Antworten.html could only find it in german maybe slovakbro understands >Nach der österreichischen Rechtslage stehen Sie automatisch als Organspender zur Verfügung, solange Sie nicht zu Lebzeiten einen Widerspruch deponiert haben. It basically says due austrian law youre automatically an organ donor, if you don't constitute your will against it during your lifetime.
Camden Stewart
The NAP is a fucking joke. Every person has a "natural" right to exactly one thing -- violent resistance. The economic reality is that the private holding of property is only tolerated if adequate value is returned to the public. Hoppean spooks don't factor into it at all.
Bentley Reed
Also you are considered dead by braindeath so your heart is still pounding while they rob you.
Jayden Green
Your neck vertebrae will become spooks after a gunship crushes you, you fucking Stirnerite.
Liam Gomez
beating
Carter Sanders
Need moar like this. Our meme skills must be able to compete with the edginess of natsocs or else we'renot the cool kids anymore. Come on guys, gimme some dank pinochet libertywave memes.
Ryder Davis
>mfw make sure your heartbeat is good for when they cut you open with a knife
William Price
shiet nibba i'm shit at memes and i run a meme page, so i know my limits
Carson Edwards
I don't really believe in a lot of Libertarian ideals, I don't think taxation is theft and I don't really care about privatizing everything like roads and shit. I lean pretty far right on things like Immigration. I do however believe strongly in personal liberties (Guns, gay marriage and drugs, for example)
Am I a Libertarian? That's what I've been calling myself for a few years now but I'm not really sure if it fits
David James
well not exactly, saying they keep you alive so your organs are longer fresh would be better, after rereading my comment. but I think you get what I was saying.
Joseph Rogers
Hows this?
Bentley Williams
Degeneracy like drugs and gay marriage are not Libertarian. You sound like a neocon or a paleocon, not enough information to decide one.
Mason Bailey
Fuck yeah thanks man, now we just need some quotes on top of it.
Jason Howard
In fantasyland, because ancap is inherently impossible. You think the outcome of the removal of the "monopoly of violence" will be one thing, when it can be shown to be another.
Sebastian Sanchez
You in anticom my dude?
Caleb Green
nice quads fuck off strasser commie, you're more irrelevant than geofags.
Carter Stewart
What did kek mean by this?
Logan Bell
How's this?
Aiden Sanchez
These threads are always put a smile on my face
Jace Cook
pretty damn good.
Mason Ross
Anyone has the hoppe quote where he rants about left libertarians? Wouldn't it fit?
Evan Edwards
lets turn more frowns upside down as they fall of the helicopter
Jackson Butler
this one?
Adam Walker
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Adrian Perez
Maybe, but as I remember there was a part were he described them and their motivation.
Sebastian Turner
Not an argument. Anclaps would rather suck cock than betray the NAP. In ancap society, if your boss tells you to suck his dick or get fired from the only farm with a spot for you, you would get on your knees. You can't even prove me wrong on that. Your ideology is literally gay by design. Violence is a human right, therefore, you are sub-human.
Fucking debate me if I'm wrong !
Levi Gonzalez
i have an interview for a state job doing licensing shit in a very desirable location this week. I studied political science like a fool and this may be the best chance i ever get to actually perform a job that requires a college degree. The pay and benefits are better than offered by the private sector, as you are aware. I currently work through a temp agency in a warehouse for a company that sells women's clothing online for minimum wage. I walk 8-9 miles every shift power-walking around this warehouse.
I am a member of the libertarian-right. What do?
Bentley White
You're a lolbertarian. You need to up your game. Also, drop social liberalism. It's not bloody worth it, mate.
Liam Bailey
Your post contains 0 arguments, first you say we suck dicks, that ancap is somehow Homosexual by design, and that we Are sub human. All of which are claims without evidence or argumentation. Eat shit retard, you're not worth debating.
Carter Brown
It's a The Right Stuff meme.
James Fisher
do it, we need more infiltrators and resistance from within when the time comes
Daniel Lee
>degeneracy >paleocon Nah, it's more like the standard Libertarian Party position. Not what we want, but we all start somewhere.
Asher Price
>In a statist society, if your official tells you to suck his dick or get literally fired from the barrel of a gun, you would get on your knees. You can't even prove me wrong on that. Your ideology is literally gay by design.
wew lad
Chase Harris
Oh, you're a Strasshole. Even worse. Yeah, I bet subsidising low production is going to end up very well for you. Like I said, if another asshole tries to establish a monopoly, we have helicopters for that.
Samuel Hill
What if I pay my boss, so I can suck his dick?
Leo Hill
Check my flag. Our antifa is so weak, I'd have to become a domestic terrorist to be an actual freedom fighter, and I don't feel like it just yet. Fico may be a commie, but at least now he can't do shit against the Slovak people.
Connor Cooper
What are you talking about? I gave you a scenario about sexual exploitation. Answer the question, would you violate the NAP or suck some dick if it suits you economically?
Look at my first post in the thread. Lots of arguments, but I just get called a stirnerite AND a strasser commie. You guys just post memes and screech autistically. Here's your chance to put your beliefs to the test.
Jose Myers
I'd not work on the faggots farm, I can grow corn and potatoes without him idiot.
Jordan Adams
I would kill him or die trying, because I don't abide by the gayass NAP.
Grayson Phillips
mao zedong was a good leader.
Mason Hernandez
>would you violate the NAP or suck some dick if it suits you economically?
I know this is an extremely difficult concept for a swede to understand, but you can CHOOSE not to suck dick, you know? no violence needed
very good at leading people to starvation, yes
Jaxson Fisher
Why would there be unclaimed arable land and water for irrigation? We are essentially using all of it now?
If you had no capital, you would HAVE to suck dick, no?
Leo White
Maybe I misunderstand what paleocons are but aren't they generally civic nationalists, supporters of weed legalization and homo rights?
Owen Richardson
>suck cock Sodomite projection alert. >muh boss Sucking cock is not part of the contract, you utter retard. If violence is a human right, then the allies were right to fry German civilians alive in the firestorms of Hamburg and Dresden. Might makes right, you pussy. Bitching about "muh war crimes" won't save you from the fact that you couldn't prevent it. War is a do or die situation. The second half of the war, Hitler choked massively and the result of that was him choking on a gun as he pulled the trigger. Moral of the story - If you want your Reich to be bigger, you better not be a bitch nigger.
Grayson Robinson
Why would I have no capital?
While we're making up hypotheticals what if you had to suck a dick or get fucked in the ass? Ha I guess that proves you're gay.
keep believing in your capitalist propaganda though. >when you hate the state but believe in everything it teaches you about communism
Robert Anderson
>gayass NAP Well, if he threatens you at gunpoint, you using force would not be a NAP violation.
Anthony Gray
Would you like some political persecution with that famine?
Nicholas Reyes
nice assumption faggot
Lincoln Williams
>what if what if what if How many layers of desperation are you on?
Evan Barnes
Don't think so. Pat Buchanan is a paleocon, for example. So is Jared Taylor, I think. They're generally for restricted immigration, traditional society, a smaller government, a more or less free market, and against military interventions.
Easton Davis
a country that just resisted japanese imperialism, went through a civil war with a backwards economy cannot possibly avoid famines. by your logic, capitalism and winston churchill are to be blamed for the indian famines under british rule. the difference is, mao and inner party members vowed to not eat meat while the famine was still present, while churchill blamed the indians for "breeding too much" for the famine.
Levi Parker
>The Great Sparrow Campaign (Chinese: 打麻雀运动; pinyin: Dǎ Máquè Yùndòng), also known as the Kill a Sparrow Campaign (Chinese: 消灭麻雀运动; pinyin: Xiāomiè Máquè Yùndòng) and, officially, as the Four Pests Campaign, was one of the first actions taken in the Great Leap Forward in China from 1958 to 1962. The four pests to be eliminated were rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows. >By April 1960, Chinese leaders realized that sparrows ate a large amount of insects, as well as grains.[7][8] Rather than being increased, rice yields after the campaign were substantially decreased.[9][8] Mao ordered the end of the campaign against sparrows, replacing them with bed bugs, as the extermination of the former upset the ecological balance, and bugs destroyed crops as a result of the absence of natural predators.[10] By this time, however, it was too late. With no sparrows to eat them, locust populations ballooned, swarming the country and compounding the ecological problems already caused by the Great Leap Forward, including widespread deforestation and misuse of poisons and pesticides.[9] Ecological imbalance is credited with exacerbating the Great Chinese Famine, in which 20–45 million people died of starvation.[11][12] >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign
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Carter Cook
Let me lay it out for you in simple terms. The state teaches us to love democracy, which leads to communism. It feeds us the "not real communism" line without mentioning the fact that real communism = real equity = total annihilation of everything. That's why the more communistic a regime became, the more people died. Because the only time two people are equal is when they're both six feet under.
Hunter Collins
Fine, why do we have do defend Churchill? He has nothing to do with us. Mao was still a shit.
Hunter Thomas
>private borders Funny how lolbertarians justify open borders with shit like "lol sure we will flood the country with muslims but its not like they are going to be allowed on your property lol #privateborders" Fuck off globalists
Jace Gutierrez
Might DOES make right, in fact, might makes property.
YOU are denying yourself the option of violent resistance. Then obvsiously you should face hypotheticals were you are forced to commit sensual acts or perish.
He does NOT threaten you at gunpoint. I never said that. Read the premises. This is a reasonable hypothetical given the NAP, think about it, the NAP is absurd.
John Ramirez
You literally didn't read it. We're talking about real government enforced national borders as a libertarian policy.
Your b8 is weak.
Samuel Anderson
Nationalist China resisted the Japs. Famines under a free, capitalistic economy are a result of gross incompetence of those who store the crops, or a poor following of the market. Because people are incentivised to produce food in a system of division of labour, something else has to go wrong in order for the system to fail. And yes, poos can definitely chill it with the breeding. If white people bred so much while receiving aid, they'd be called parasites, and rightfully so.
Jacob Walker
>if every piece of land was owned by a corporation who decide who is invited or not we would have closed borders Yeah corporations would totally hate to invite third world cheap labor into the country
Jordan Gonzalez
It's really simple, if someone is extorting you by holding vital property and you deny yourself the right to violent resistance, you forfeit your dignity.
There is every economic justification for all arable land to be held. If I'm wrong just debate me. Unused arable land is an inefficiency, the free-market eliminates inefficiencies.
Jayden Ortiz
How the fuck are you gonna let them in if there is no public property they can infest and no state to leech off of? The only thing I could think of would be a private institution providing rooms to them, which would 1) only work for a very small number of immigrants 2) be fucking retarded since it would cost them a lot of money and reputation and bring only negative results. Immigration, and therefore forced integration, can only be enforced by the state.
Dylan Nelson
nothing speaks louder than a loudmouthed idiot who cites wikipedia. >That's why the more communistic a regime became, the more people died pic related is literally what you're saying. how stupid. churchill was a capitalist, mao was a communist. if you criticize mao, i have a right to criticize churchill. a majority of the peasants supported the communists, the nationalists were a minority, but keep swallowing that capitalist propaganda
Jack Hill
no think tea party, they are also really protectionist unlike these globalist free trade loving libertarian "right wingers"
Jordan Hughes
Mao Zedong >>> Ayn Rand or any right-wing "libertarian" desu
Alexander Wood
Need some help understanding something. In one of Hoppe's videos on jewtube he talks about the german states in the 1800s and he mentions that the decentralization of germany created competition with low taxes and lots of important cities and universities. Most of the universities where state sponsored though. Some my question is besides low taxes, are small states with limited revenue more efficient with their tax money i.e. small efficient armies, bureaucracies, and road systems with a willingness to sponsor science and technology? Minus of course the occasional prestige palace projects.
Bentley Barnes
Can't wrong the Dong!!
Dominic Diaz
What would make their labor cheaper? It's not like there's a minimum wage that they'd be undercutting. Prices aren't cheaper just because they'd take a low wage. Exactly why do you believe the local people couldn't complete or be more desirable worker than the shitniggers?
Austin Jones
>College communist:the post
Nicholas Martin
>if someone is extorting you by holding vital property
top kek, how are they extorting me? you go somewhere else, you sperg
>nothing speaks louder than a loudmouthed idiot who cites wikipedia.
not an argument. You acknowledge that it did happen, and that the consequences were real. People starved under your shitty system, who woulda guessed?
>kill bird you think was useless >it actually wasn't useless
o i am laffin
> if you criticize mao, i have a right to criticize churchill. >let me criticize a government leader >on a general about anti-government
go criticize churchill somewhere else then, we don't give a shit
>Ayn Rand
if all you know about libertarianism is that frail bitch, you hardly know what you're talking about lul
Lincoln Walker
>tfw you found your country but it become a world power only after it liberalize it's economy Pathetic
Xavier James
Well fascism, national socialism, and similar ideologies were defeated numerous times and won seldom. That means you're not very mighty, that means you're not very right at all, are you?
As for the sodomite boss situation, people like him had long ago been gotten rid of during the violent revolution leading up to the ancap era. If he somehow slipped through, then he'd have to have my consent to suck his dick whenever he asks me to through the work contract, which I wouldn't give. That means if he wants to suspend the contract, I have full right to sue him for denying me my livelihood. You keep tightening the leash around the "argument", however. Presuming there's no other arable land. Presuming I have no other job opportunities and no capital of my own. Not everybody is a poorfag. However, my answer is I'd kill him because I have reasonable proof that he's a sodomite and thus a health hazard to everyone around him. That's even NAP-compliant, when we take it to the logical conclusion.
Now for you - defend the forceful redistribution of wealth from the position of a man who's holding onto a helicopter's landing skid, staring down the barrel of a RWDS member's rifle.
Alexander Hernandez
>How the fuck are you gonna let them in if there is no public property they can infest and no state to leech off of? If the corporations own all the land like in your libertarian paradise, you better be damn sure that they are going to allow cheap slave labor in. You do know that big farms and corporations love third world immigrants right? They can pay them $3 an hour, they are the biggest supporters of illegal immigration. You are delusional if you believe corporations will put nation over profits. >The only thing I could think of would be a private institution providing rooms to them Corporations would be more than happy to do that to get cheap labor. They do that till this day, they provide homes for illegals picking crops and then charge them rent.
>Immigration, and therefore forced integration, can only be enforced by the state True, which is why libertarian ism is retarded
Noah Jones
Well good to know
Jose Hernandez
Ok that's fine, you can criticise Churchill. What does that have to do with the merits of Mao's regime? We never brought him up as someone we support. You said you support Mao because Churchill was bad. It makes no sense dude. Why do I care if Churchill was good? We've never expressed him as a good model for capitalism.
