The Turkish Army has never been weaker. The recent Gulenist/Secularist coup and the subsequent purge destroyed its organizational capacity and tactical efficacy, as demonstrated during the Al-Bab campaign. The Army and Government may never trust each other again. Much of the Turkish airforce has been restructured into a less efficient but safer (for Erdogan) form. Most of the Turkish Army is deployed in the Southeast on a counter-terrorism operation which has possibly damaged its morale. Only the Turkish First Army stands guard at the gates to Europe, and Constantinople is ripe for the picking. Thoughts, Sup Forums?
Pic related is the First Army's disposition of forces.
so who holds it? Assuming all the most nationalist turks left or got killed who could actually hold it for longer that 50 years. Bulgaria maybe?
Josiah Perry
Independent hands for the time being, until some nation grows the balls to accept the territory from people who reclaimed it.
Jayden Hernandez
turkey is currently weak because of the schism between the people but oh boy if any western army tries to invade you can be damned sure that the country would be united and pretty fucking angry
you fucks couldn't even hold down afghanistan/iraq and now you want to take/hold a city with 20 million angry turks? guffaw, good luck
Isaac Anderson
But modern instanbul is 100 times bigger than Constantinople. Constantinople area that was taken in the 15th represent like 2% of the modern Megapolis of 15 millions people. Turks built a huge city with houses for 15 millions people when 1453 Constantinople was a small city of like 50,000 people.
Taking it "back" doesn't make sense.
Brayden Ross
3/4 of turkish army is being used? They're 500,000 soldiers in Syrie? Lol?
Adam Wright
the said countries could not be held down, because the modern conventions of war
a total war, with little regard to jeneva convention can and will break any country
Juan Nelson
The ownership of the city was contested as recently as 95 years ago. Coupled with the two thousand year European rule of the city, that's a pretty strong claim. The point is that Istanbul is a crucial European city. East Thrace as a whole is the gateway to Europe. Why should it not be in the hands of Europeans?
Zachary Moore
DUDE. NO. Please for the love of God do NOT repeat the mistake of distributing land to Balkan countries. Every time this happens we end up in war.(And we lost all 3 times)
Jose Sanders
The Army of the Aegean is mostly deployed in Cyprus, believe it or not. The rest of it, stationed around Izmir, comprises only a couple brigades. As for the Second Army, the Turks could not withdraw all of it to defend Istanbul immediately. Any such move would invite trouble from Kurds, Armenians, and Russia. Turkey cannot afford such trouble with its ongoing instabilities.
Henry Perez
But the extreme majority of turkey's / Istanbul's population is native to the region according to every historian and genetic work, they're the same since neolithic times, theirs ancestors were greek speaking population that got turkified under seljukid rule by a small minority.
The central asian that dis that look like chinese / mongol while modern turks are very differents of that.
Turks living in Constantinople are just native people in their land, really.
Jordan Hall
nah there are less than 2k troops in syria for ground troops the first army and the aegean army have a total of around 250k troops stationed at the west-side of the country. any invasion would require a few times that number due to the geography of turkey, the entire country is basically mountains and large defensible cities
Cooper Turner
gulenist movement not a secular.
Jacob Thomas
Istanbul alone has more people than the entire country of Greece. If Greeks take Istanbul than they will become a minority in their own country over night.
Connor Cook
>implying anybody but a moron would attack heartland Anatolia
Hunter Peterson
Constantinople is part of Europe not Asia, Europe for the Europeans.
Adrian Johnson
You should take a look at the Bulgarian-Greek border with Turkey. Establishing a frontline is almost impossible it should be a direct push. Also, a large number of troops will be needed, probably even the entire free US army(+France maybe, Russia?). Sadly they are already polluted. Yeah
Lucas Parker
This is larping. Turkey is a member of NATO.
William Baker
>Bulgarians claim everything and piss everyone off >It just happen man, its nobody's fault The second Balkan war was because you Jewed the Serbs out of pretty much any territorial gains after the war.
Lucas Sullivan
My thoughts as well. The only valid strategy is a beeline for Istanbul from the North and cutting off the Gallipoli peninsula with a simultaneous attack from Greece.
James Price
They themselves are Muslim, and their leaders are not European. The capital is in Anatolia for a reason.
Hunter Fisher
Aren't Turkish just shitskin muzzles with a different name? They all look and smell the same to me
Caleb Stewart
No you idiot, Constantinople had a population of around 1 million. You're confusing it with your medieval festering shit heap of Paris.
Mason Barnes
Yeah instead of whatever you say, back in reality you will suck their cock because they are in nato and you have bases there Tyrone...
Jeremiah Nguyen
There's something called population relocation, look it up
Andrew James
NATO will not help Turkey for much longer. They seem intent on pissing off all of Europe by launching wave after wave of millions of migrants. Tensions are constantly flaring between roaches and US troops in Incirlik, and Trump is not likely to put up with Erdogan waving his dick around for long. Turkey's military weakness will last for years. A lot of expertise is missing from their command structure now that thousands of officers are in prison.
Evan Richardson
Constantinople had 45,000 people in 1453 when turks took it like I said in my post. It had 1 millions 900 years before that in 550 ad
Why are you so ignorant my friend?
Jackson Reyes
Greece
Payment for the Pontic Greeks genocided 100 years ago
Ayden Collins
It lost its population because of Muslims and Roaches, you dimwit.
Christian Hernandez
This is correct because if remember my history the population never recovered fully after the black plague
Tyler Fisher
>They seem intent on pissing off all of Europe by launching wave after wave of millions of migrants
>keep 3.5 million refugees created by us and eu >eu refuses to pay for the stacking expenses (+25bn) >us refuses to help with the communist problem >REEEEEEEE THEY SEND REFUGEES OVER REEEEE
we should send all the kurds&refugees over to europe come invade us if you dare, we will bury you all next to the others
Luke Nguyen
yo did u remember first greek-turk population relocation? greeks butthurts still on fire about it
did u sure want one more?
Anthony Wood
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Carson Peterson
I don't speak Mordor language, speak English
Jaxson Sanchez
Because the city was still massive, and you make it sound like one of your French dirt hovels.
Carter Collins
Rome had 1 millions in 300 ad and like 5,000 people in 550ad. Less 99.5%
Cities falls as quickly as they rise. History is tragic.
Jonathan Ortiz
Because instead of relocation you killed many of them and stole their shit. You're just inhuman roaches just like everybody claims it's no big deal
William Wood
And it could have worked if the Greeks accepted the Aegean coastline(which they ended up taking for some reason) Our socialist government wanted to exchange population but remembered that they shut the borders and there weren't any Bulgarians in Turkey so they just forced Turks to change their names or leave. Fucking genius.
Isaiah Lewis
My friend you were wrong, Constantinople didn't have 1 million people in 1543 just like I said, just accept it and move on :)
Btw Paris was the biggest european city from 1200's to 1700's :)
:)
You are so wrong again and ignorant :)
:)
Liam Flores
>Kill all the Turks! >THAT will fix all of our problems!
I swear you people lack brain cells. You claim to be different yet keep the same normie thinking.
Christopher Nelson
The world would be a better place without turkroaches.
Gavin Rodriguez
OOGA BOOGA MUH FUGGA Turks are the fucking worst of the worst.
Camden Walker
>Our socialist government wanted to exchange population but remembered that they shut the borders and there weren't any Bulgarians in Turkey so they just forced Turks to change their names or leave. Fucking genius.
my origin bulgarian turks btw, lol
Noah Howard
I have no beef with Ataturk-style Turks as long as their manage their country properly and don't spill out.
James Murphy
We don't want all of it just Constantinople! Europe for the Europeans.
Camden Edwards
Ataturk's economic failure is why Turkey isn't developed today and why many people flee it..
Making a modern country is not only giving womens the right to vote, it's to build a real economy.
Liam Bennett
Almost NOTHING in YOUR life would be different, fool. "Ataturk-style" Turks don't cause problems even if they "spill-out".
Cooper Morris
Ataturk at least didn't stir up Muslim passions like Erdogan does
Dominic Lopez
>"Ataturk-style" Turks don't cause problems even if they "spill-out". hahahahahahaha
Jayden Reyes
It's purly electoralism, Erdogan want conservative, kurdish and rural votes, so he say what they want to hear.
Thing is those people make a lot of childrens and are more and more numerous, so politician pander to them. While the secular kemalists are not doing childrens, so their vote base is getting smaller.
Same in Israël with ultra orthodox, in Morocco etc.
Austin Sanchez
Soon.
Luke Gutierrez
Just wait you mudslime piece of shit, we don't have to invade, all we need to do is nuke your fucking asses. Cockroaches can't actually survive nuclear blasts, so you're fucked.
Hudson Jones
>t. South Cyprus cuck
Nathaniel Barnes
Can't nuke. Need to reclaim the holy buildings like The Hagia Sofia.
Nicholas Baker
Ataturkists and Erdogan supporters are two sides of the same coin, smelly Turks who ruin everything they touch and their only difference is their opinion on religion.
Alexander Russell
Did you mean the mosque? HAAHAHHAHAAH
COME, COME AS YOU ARE AS YOU WERE
YOU LOSE AGAIN AND AGAIN
Isaac Powell
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Asher Fisher
yo did u miss us?
Joshua Barnes
>being proud of murdering a civilian typical roach
Henry Turner
ISIS has outed Islam as the true ideological enemy of peace and freedom. It's only a matter of time before Constantinople is restored.
Ryan Jones
You are not human, you are a slave. We gonna claim other half and convert you as well, your grandsons will serve the cause of turks.
Bentley Hill
Soon
Julian Collins
cyprus fucks doesnt count.
Owen Jones
Yeah who gives a shit. It's tainted with Muslim faeces now anyways.
Explosion time.
Cooper Rivera
>roach determining on who is human and who isn't you can't make this shit up
Nathan Thompson
You're a retard if you think anyone but Larpers care about retaking constantinople. This isn't the fucking middle ages, it doesn't matter. Nobody wants to die for some piece of sand in the middle of mudslime territory. Fuck Christianity you retard cuck >ahurr I pray every night to a kike on a stick Absolutely cucked
Connor King
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John Adams
Do turkroaches actually think they live in a relevant country? You dont.
Isaiah Martinez
Personally I don't give a fuck about Istancuck, I just want to genocide all Muslims.
No. Stop spouting this fucking garbage. You don't want to kill all muslims. You want Muslims out of your life. The best course of action is to deport all muslims from the west. Boom, problem literally solved. >over a billion people should die If you believe this you are degenerate filth
Eli Cooper
ask ur dad, if already killed him lol
Aaron Davis
Greater Israel goy
Andrew Reyes
Guess I'm a degenerate, because I literally want to kill them all before they do the same to me.
Fuck 'em all. Taqiyya. Look that up, bucko, before you believe in the myth called "moderate Islam", then actually read the Quran.
Landon Ward
>Only the Turkish First Army stands guard at the gates to Europe, and Constantinople is ripe for the picking. Thoughts, Sup Forums?
Don't walk before you can crawl user.
Europe first, then we can think about restoring Byzantium and driving the turks/arabs out of Anatolia.
Chase Mitchell
This is why you keep sucking our dick?
It's called realpolitik, get over it idiot
Kevin Campbell
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Christopher Perry
>Bulgaria maybe? Greece, of course.
Gavin Taylor
Christ, no, Ivailo! Greater Lebanon and Restored Hejaz (cleansed of Salafists and Wahabites).
Elijah Scott
atleast my goverment paid my college and medical fee. so i dont waste my youth with burger flip kek
whats up fatfuck?
Aaron Perry
>The Turkish Army has never been weaker
lol.. The Turkish army didn't even exist after WW1 but they still defended their clay from Eurocucks.
Joshua Nguyen
Constantinople is roman clay and will one day return.
