Is there a way to not even win a discussion with leftists but at least explain something to them?
I have two friends - both intelligent, not antifa scum or SJWs, but they are socialists, want to take refugees etc. I was talking with them about politics last night and these are some of their statements:
ME: look, we all have rich (for Poland) families, socialism would only worsened our standard of life
>THEY: (laughter), so what lol
European Army is something bad and dangerous because they could invade us if we don't listen do UE and basicaly Germany would take our independence
>(laughter) its good, Germany has highest culture (they ment Bethoveen and Goethe), we would benefit from that. I dont mind if we live in Germany or Poland, whats the difference, someone always rules you.
Socialism will take your personal freedom.
>Freedom doesnt exist anyway, you can't be free
It's degrading for a human being if he can't decide for himself and you take away his personal responsibility
>It's bad for a person but good for a collective, so its good. If people had more freedom, there would be more deaths etc. and society would lose from that.
Government giving tax-money for theaters is stealing. (it was said in a context of a theatre play in which Christianity was insulted - it caused a massive outrage in Poland)
>The need of experiencing art and beauty is basic human need. If you call it stealing, paying for police is stealing too.
If you take refugees, you have to compromise your way of life, because those people are raised in completely different culture.
>Culture changes, define european culture please - it always changes.
I don't want to take refugees because I'm xenobhobic and I don't like their culture and way of life.
>Society can't have any impact on immigration politics because their opinions are manipulated anyways, so they doesn't matter. (Also one of them compared not letting them in because I don't like them, to deporting polish people I don't like)