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A liberal friend sent me this picture of GDP growth avg. by each president, and he said Dems grow the economy more than Republicans.

How do i counter this argument?

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You cant you cancerous trumpet cunt. Progressive/left-wing policies, with the right government, always outperform right wing policies in every facet of society that contribute to human and economic well-being.

Really makes you think

You don't because it's the truth. Democrats fox the economies the Republicans break.

It’s a fallacy to equate GDP with well-being. It’s not a foregone conclusion that growing the economy will make for a happier people.

Go drink some febreze.

>Policy changes effect the economy immediately after they're enacted.

Republican economic policies are more long term. Also I don't think that's the real graph anyway

The real question isn't who's president but who controlled congress

First of all, there's no source. Second of all GDP is only part of the picture when it comes to the overall well being of the economy.

You mean like when Bill Clinton gutted the majority of our military because 'the future will be peaceful'?

Why even associate with these people?

That is only takes into account the president. There are more branches of the government that need to be examined.

a lot of Clintons gdp growth can be attributed to the beginning of the internet and all the new businesses and opportunities that came with it. Obama took over when the US was at the bottom of one of the worst recessions in US history so that explains his gdp growth.

Hard to counter a factual argument without sounding like a retard.

Go REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! and run.

easy to make it look like growth is happening when you pick winners and losers

Dems are corrupt pieces of shit who let the federal reserve fuel massive debt bubbles that masquerade as legitimate growth.

Your dumbass libtard friend does not understand monetary policy and ought to consider killing themselves.

Democrats push illegal immigration to grow the GDP. They have always been doing this. Back in the slavery times, they had slaves to produce cheap products. The same with illegals, they exploit illegals and allow companies to exploit humans to grow the economy.
Additionally the GDP growth does not equate to living standard. You'd have to look at the median household income to check that. The GDP is a macro concept that has no effect on the actual situation of individuals in your country.

Government spending is part of GDP.

Are these per capita figures?

I was thinking about using this

Clinton worked with a GOP house and decreased the debt and grew the economy.

Dems had congress from 30s - 80s, hard for a republican president to pass his agenda.

Your friend doesn't understand economics or history. Boom and bust cycles. The boom cycles coincide with wartime deficit spending and periods of technological advancement leading to quick spikes in growth while the busts coincide with the slowing of economic growth by the Federal Reserve to prevent the economy from growing too quickly and then busting into another Great Depression. It has little to do with Republicans vs. Democrats.

Lmao you dumb cunt. You live in a social democratic country, literally one of the most leftist democratic free market in the world. You make America look like fascists.

Your social and economic policies give you one of the highest quality of life this world has to offer. You have government subsidized education and healthcare, strong social safety nets, very low poverty rates, great healthcare outcomes for comparatively low spendature per capita, and a strong healthy economy.

Wanna see how the right raped America? 40 million of us do not have access to affordable healthcare. Over 3 million of our population are addicted to narcotics, they can't get help because there's no universal healthcare and drug maintenance and rehab are insanely expensive, our college graduates have over 1 trillion in student loans, the number one reason for bankruptcy is medical bills, our deregulated right wing influenced financial district directly caused the financial collapse of 2008 and almost tanked the world economy.

Fuck all you racist, isolationist, individualistic, greedy, scientifically ignorant, trumpets. Fuck the alt right. You made our country a joke.

You can't counter it, your friend is right. Liberal states are always richer than conservative ones.

Massive government expenditures cause growth. That doesnt mean thats good.

By looking at who controlled congress during those times.

There is an infographic around here somewhere that debunks that entire chart, someone can post it, I don't have it.

>How do i counter this argument?
Make another fake graph that shows numbers that support your argument.

Not to mention the Clintons got lucky with 90s boom, while Bush had to deal with the mortage crisis which was caused by policies started by clinton, and nixon had to deal with Stagflation, which it took Reagan to fix.

get a load of this parasite

good rebuttal i read it

You can't trumpy. When it comes to the facts, democrats win.

Government spending is the reason for this. Government spending is merely a distortion.

You're sad, typical alt right can't construct a logical rebuttal and has to resort to hurr durr libtard.

>Over 3 million of our population are addicted to narcotics

>You made our country a joke.

Oh right, when we started dropping heroin from the sky and got all those people addicted.

You're retarded. I'm an ex addict, and there are plenty of resources for anyone who is willing to look for them.

Medicaid covers suboxone and doctors visits to get suboxone.

NA/AA are completely free and not affiliated with any political organization.

Who the fuck do you think pays for all the court ordered rehabs that addicts get sent to by the court? Because it definitely is not them.

>our college graduates have over 1 trillion in student loans

BECAUSE YOU FUCKS KEPT SUBSIDIZING COLLEGE TUITION AND SO TUITION KEPT GOING UP! All of those people with student loan debt knowingly signed those contracts when they took out the loans. Now you're sad that they have to pay them back?

You spout all the liberal talking points but I can tell that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Go outside, go live like an adult for a few years, maybe get out of mom and dad's house, and you will see that there is literally nothing behind your argument other than virtue signally noise.

reps build stuff up, and by the time the effect is ready and visible, the dems are in and reap the friuts.

then they destroy everything, and by the time the effects of the destructive measures show they face, the reps are in and falsy get the blame.

right now trump is in and he most likely will get the blame for the collapsing economy, which got pushed over the brink yb obama with 8years of communism

just kill the motherfucker. probably a jew or black piece of shit anyway.

Why won't you motherfuckers ever blame the colleges for hiking tuition? It's always my fault for not just paying for the cost of your tuition, but no one ever stops to think "wow I paid $80,000 for this gender studies degree, I wonder if the college was trying to bamboozle me in some way?"

Also, stop with the "typical alt right" bullshit dude, there is no fuckin "alt-right" it's a made up media buzzword. The people on this board disagree with each other as much as any other group of people. There are libertarians, national socialists, communists, liberals, conservatives, ancaps, etc here. Not everyone who doesn't agree with your retarded fucking worldview is "alt-right."

Dems are more attuned to demand-side economics than Repubs, which results in greater economic growth given that consumption is 2/3 of GDP. Trump is not really a Republican (more a Perot-style Reform type) and it's partly his orthodox Keynesian economic policies that make him such a big threat to the GOP establishment.

The Republicans are forced to operate under a bloated government while they try to shrink it back down to an acceptable size. They are forced to spend money they haven't yet produced because they can't cut funding to unnecessary programs fast enough.

Lol the difference is even more obvious when you look at the constantly democrat states vs constantly republican states.

Stay delusional trumpy.

All of the major monetary bubbles occurred during the Bush presidency though user. What federal reserve policy did the dems set and when did they set it?

Give people a billion dollars for doing nothing and claim the 1billion they spend as growth

People are just numbers to you.

You sound like a complete faggot, and your definitely a fucking moron liberals policies create the bubbles (Fannie may, Freddie Mack,1st time home buyers) kys faggot

Dems take expansionist policies that mobilize the economy at the expense of public finances
Reps try to balance it. More than half of your debt comes from Obama (mainly obamacare). Laugh at his inability to understand than any public spending will speed up the economy

Compare it to other countries in the world, US economie is not only about republican and democrat.
data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.KD?end=2015&locations=US-DE-CA-GB-FR&start=1990&view=chart

What do you think has caused the surge of opioid addicted in America? Deregulation of the pharma industry. America's the only industrialized nation where pharma can directly advertise medicines to consumers. This is right wing policy of deregulation and privatization. Big pharma produced false studies undermining opioid addiction, bribed doctors onto pushing them onto patients unnecessarily, and lobbied billions of dollars into flooding the market with opioids. Addicts go from prescription opioids to heroin usually. That's why there's a huge surge in heroin in the market.

Treatment is nowhere as easy to get at an affordable cost without insurance for the vast majority of people in this country. For opioid maintence, your options are suboxone or methadone or rehab. Each option, even with insurance, easily can cost hundreds to thousands of dollars per month. Forget it if you don't have insurance.

Do you wanna know why colleges can continually rise tuition costs? Because education is mostly privatized and since education is arguably an inelastic demand, tuition costs can rise as high as they want them to since students will still need to be educated since it's a crucial tool to have a great shot at being financially successful. If education was subsidized through the government, the government would control prices and it would be payed for by increased taxation or redirecting current tax streams.

Colleges are just abiding by free market economics, they raise prices as much as they want since demand is inelastic and loans are easy to get. They want to profit as much as they can, since their privatized their incentive is to make money not worry about the well being and success of their students. This is all because of right wing policies, it doesn't work and it's destroying our economy. Milliniales cannot afford homes, they have less money to spend on goods and services thus stagnating economic growth. This has ramifications all over society.

When things are not going well, inestability, portests, mayor world happenings, people tend to vote conservative.
Once shit is solved, people vote again progressive.
Progressives try new shit until they break something, and conservatives come after to fix the mess.

It is a fact that because of big pharmas impact, the more sick people there are the higher the GDP.
No need to counter, let him have it, the dems get more people on permanent meds and more lending and frivilous spending also increases the GDP.

>What do you think has caused the surge of opioid addicted in America?

Surely it couldn't possibly be the drug user's fault, it must be someone else...

>Treatment is nowhere as easy to get at an affordable cost without insurance for the vast majority of people in this country.

Not true. It is out there, if you want it. Most addicts don't want it, because they are addicts.

There is no fuckin magic pill that will fix your drug addiction. It's really hard, and it sucks, and most people will fail.

Spend 2 hours on the internet in your town looking at what your treatment options are, particularly the treatment options for those who are poor/low income, you will be very surprised. Start with the Mental Health department in your county offices. I live in a pretty small town in CA and I can still hit an NA/AA meeting every day within 10-15 miles, and could have had my suboxone paid for by the government (but I paid cash instead because I'm not a leech.)

Who do you think pays for the people who get sent to rehab by courts, to go to those rehabs?

>Colleges are just abiding by free market economics

Good! Free market economics work both ways by the way, as long as the government fucking stays out of them and doesn't subsidize them. If everyone from college X is having a hard time getting jobs with their degrees, people are going to pay less to go to college X, making it more affordable, and making the best colleges the most expensive, instead of making ALL colleges the most expensive. But nooo, you had to get the government involved because you think they are truly going to look out for YOUR best interests lol.

No one gives a fuck about you, no one cares who you are, what your hopes or dreams are, or whether or not you eat tonight. Do you really think that the government honestly wants to help you out? You're an idiot.

Nah mate, FM x2 is just a meme.

Low interest rates and the typical lending practices regular private banks partake in created the bubbles as they always have.

FM x2 didn't create the bubbles any more than say, Bush tax cuts or the Iraq war or any other big spend did. All of these only exacerbated the issue a little.

DOS SCOOPERINOS?!

the government can increase the gdp quickly by subsidizing consumption but it never lasts

This. And third of all, different policies take different amounts of time to make an effect on the economy, all of them longer than immediate. The charts and graphs they try to defend their useless ideas with are as useless as the climate religion ones.

God youre a fucking idiot. I'm not wasting my time anymore. Really the government doesn't care about you? Bullshit typical right wing rhetoric. So naive and shortsighted. Look at Scandinavian, western European countries implementing the social democratic model. They pool in their resources to subsidize healthcare, education, retirement benefits, and other essential social safety policies while operating under a free market capitalistic framework. They 5 to 10% more in taxes but do not pay for health insurance, tuition, and other ancillary costs of privatization like we do in the usa. They ultimately spend less and get much MUCH more in benefits. They're happier, healthier, live longer, have better rights, are much less stressed, and are absolutely happy and willing to spend more in taxes to benefit society as a whole. In America it's the opposite, because of the right wing and our country is slowly bleeding out because of it.

They facilitate this by electing competent officials that represent their self interests. Not like you right wing fucknuts that elected trump and his swamp of oligarchs. They dont give a fuck about you. The gop healthcare bill would have raped the middle class and profited the very rich. Trump is proposing an 800 billion dollar cut in Medicare and medicaid. They dont give a fuck.

You know why? Because of morons like you that elected them. The government does care, if the government is comprised of people that represent our self interest.

You're an idiot.

These are the type of posters you've brought here, r_donald shills.
I hope you're happy.

>subsidizing consumption but it never las

This, it's all based on debt.

>Look at Scandinavian, western European countries
Cool story bro. Go live there. GTFO of my country.

More sick people = higher GDP
More wars = higher GDP
More good being produced due to planned obsolescence = higher GDP

GDP is a measure of inefficiency

Hurr durr murica. Ironically you'd be better off living there than america. You're probably low income with shit healthcare coverage and generally unhappy with how things are in your life. You can live a pretty cushy life in those countries even with a low income job. Maybe you should think of moving there.

Jesus Christ, people who use that graph as a meaning of anything clearly don't have a base knowledge of economics. GDP does NOT equal prosperity. Americas GDP during WW2 was out of this world but people were being rationed bread and rubber. All this shows is that dems like to spend (duh) since gov spending is literally written into the GDP formula.

It isn't as simple as that. Implementing policy doesn't immediately impact the economy, so it's not as simple as looking at GDP growth and mapping it out according to each President's term. It could very well be that that economic growth which manifested itself during a Democratic President could be attributed to policy implemented by a Republican President before them. Not only that, but as many people have stated already, GDP really isn't a proper metric by which to determine a President's performance

during a Democratic President's term* just fuck my ass.

Ask him if he knows what Congress is

>paragraphs
>faggotry

You couldn't be more wrong about me. I live a damned cushy life here. At least move to Canada, it's like Euro-lite. Be a leaf, you sound like one already.

>Projecting
You first.

Dems create fear mongering which drive firearms, self defense, alarms, etc sales through the roof.

God no. Look at the cost to own anything on those countries. 150% tax on vehicles? 70% income taxes... Fuck no

lern 2 reed chump

Political Factions cause fear mongering, you basic bitch

I read it, that's how I knew it contained faggotry.

Wait a minute. Obamaleaf, did you forget to use your Canada proxy? Or are you using a US one now?

He's right though. Whether it's better for society is another question, but it's obvious that if your only concern is expanding the economy then unfiltered mass immigration, avoiding expensive wars, and repeatedly making trade deals that decimate the working class are going to be in your economic benefit. Republicans are absolute fucking morons because not only do they consistently cuck on cultural and social issues, but they also are incapable of economic growth (their usual excuse for cucking).

All facts. Works every time.

What are they using to measure growth? Niggers born per capita?

Looks like Republicans set up the country for growth, Dems collect on it and give it all away, people get mad and elect another Republican. Rinse and repeat. Just like how Trump got elected after the Obama admin. added more debt than any other president.

GDP increase does not equal growth.

What is important is long term, sustainable growth of an economy (measured by how many factories are being built, quality of life of the people, private investment, etc.).

Increased public spending will increase GDP in the short term, of course. The question is if this artificial stimulus is good or disruptive for an overall economy. I argue that it is mostly disruptive, as the government is very bad at understanding and supporting trends, see Obama's abject failure with subsidizing alternative energy firms.

Compare it with control of the senate and house, and see how they line up. The president actually does very little.

Obamaleaf would have posted a graph or one of his laughing woman pictures by now

True, but you have to admit the writing style is eerily similar.

You honestly sound like the typical whiny floor mate in college that's always lapping their dick off.

>'access', 'oppression', 'privilege', 'micro- aggressions', etc.

These are grade A certified talking points by SJW groups on campus that think they are knowledgeable about things that they are talking about by adding a few buzzwords in there.

Why graph started with Truman 2?

Going from republican to democrat means higher taxes, that means that the new buisnesses and money that was acumilated by rich now goes back to people, and thus they will spend more and put it into creation of more buisnesses HOWEVER, it will not last, buble would burst eventualy, as buisness owners can't acumilate the welth anymore they can't incrase producticity, and thus growth stops, if you would have republican after republican, GDP would not grow, if you would have democrat aftef democrat, same thing would hapen, and i beleave that american system of republican/democrat is exacly why they are so rich when compeared to rest of the world, one sistem helps onother by constantly changing, the problem comes when you look at datta and see how GDP rose moast under democrats and think it's becouse their economic sistem is the best, the thing is their sistem would not last, bouth sistems have bad sides but they are countered and fixed by constant change between these 2 sistems.
But then again i have feeling that i have no idea what i am talking about,
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF I MADE ANY SENCE?
Thanks

Tough shit. You shouldn't have gone to college to drink and smoke weed for 4 years. If you don't have a job worth 80000 then go fuck yourself.

Nordic Model doesn't work without cultural homogeneity. See Sweden.

I'll answer why the democratic numbers are the way they are.

Truman: After WW2 boom began, before the boom there were huge strikes and labour disputes, growth only really picked up in the late term.

Kennedy-Johnson: Baby-Boom and massive public spending through Johnson's programs.

Carter: HAHAHAHA. Chart is fucked, google stagflation seriously, OPEC and the recession in general is one of the main reasons why Carter lost. Those #'s are fuzzy math.

Clinton: Thank Newt Gingrich and Republicans for gaining control of both houses and forcing Clinton to commit to cutting regulations, instituting welfare reform, and running a surplus,

Obama: More Americans are on food stamps than any period in American history but yes ivory tower bicoastal liberals did see a recovery, they were able to make more money on period blood cooking blogs and media companies while everything west of the Appalachians and East of San Francisco struggled.

Long story short: Liberalism is a mental disorder.

>look at this country that is mostly racially homogeneous (up until very recently) and has less than 5% of the population of America, this is how America could be if you stupid right wingers would just give up your scoops!

>Not like you right wing fucknuts that elected trump and his swamp of oligarchs. They dont give a fuck about you.

I don't think they do, I don't want them to, I don't even want them to think of me, I simply want the government to leave me the fuck alone.

I already provide my own healthcare through a fucking job, I paid for my own education, now leave me the fuck alone and stop taking my income to pay for other people. If I want to donate time or money to charity, I will, but I will choose where it goes, not you, and NOT the government.

>Muh western europe and scandinavia :DDDDDD
Mate you have no idea what you are talking about when you talk about Europe, their sistems are uniq, they can't just be coppied and pasted, the thing about western europe and germany is that, their economy moastly is standing on high quality products that where made of best quality over many generations and only then they where able to make taxes high, they lack the ability to make new buisnesses and the thing is unlike USA they do not need any more buisnesses to be created, becouse their popualtions are declaning, so they don't need to make low taxes on buisnesses so it would be easy to make new ones and create jobes, you can't just apply this to america.
For example we hwre in Latvia also are ''democrat socialist'' but i don't see my life being as good as in USA who you think is bad place.

So much this. I had a full paid scholarship but was a dumb kid who partied and lost it. But smart enough to not fall for the college loan scam. Never finished college. Never paid a cent of my own for the time I wasted. Worked my way up the ladder instead and now make a nice 6 figures.
Companies are starting to wake up to the idea that college education is not an asset. In another 5-10 years you'll start to see education requirements for high level positions drop off. It's like the whole MBA thing. They're worthless now.

>"look at Sweden"

>88% white, only 12% immigrants
>country is hailed by liberals all over the world for being the best place to live ever

Imagine that, primarily white countries are good places to live...

I guess we see what needs to happen here folks...

Because social spending is an investment and austerity accomplishes nothing

all i see is:

- hard work
-- good times (spending on unimportant crap)
- hard work
-- even more spending on shit like affirmative action
- hard work to fix economy
-- ever more spending on stupid salon crap


that's how it's rolling

The economy is general the real of Congress.

Lol eat shit i work professionally as a software engineer. I worked hard for what I achieved. Be mad trumpet

>It’s a fallacy to equate GDP with well-being. It’s not a foregone conclusion that growing the economy will make for a happier people.

This. Tell your friend that more GDP mostly means more money in the 1%'s pocket

What the fuck are you even on about?

>software engineer
Yep. Confirmed douchebag. I've spent the better part of my life cursing your ilk for their shoddy work. Maybe you should be spending more time not sucking at your job and less time touting your bullshit views on an Argentinian coaster making forum.

I can't believe we do the same thing for work, what with you being a complete faggot and all.

Good luck with those student loans, I'm not fuckin' paying for them.

Obama was actually the 3rd worst president ever in terms of economic growth according to whatever federal agency reports the data for that stuff. Trump has already created more jobs than the presidents since like Reagan.

How many of you maggots are ITT? Fuck I hate programmers. There are very few who are worth half a shit.

What you didn't understand from what i wrote exacly?You used western europe as an argument for socialism, i debunked it by explaining why western europe is not good argument for socialism in america.