What does Sup Forums think about Irving's theory of Hitler being unaware of the holocaust?(systematic extermination of Jews) He says that there is not archived evidence of Hitler knowing anything about the holocaust, and that the holocaust should not be attributed to Hitler
Does his claim hold any merit? What does Sup Forums think about it?
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Has anyone collected the reward that he offered?
He wasn't "unaware", it just never happened.
Holy shit they haven't, ddin't even know that was a challenge
The holocaust did happen
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no it didn't.
It's impossible Hitler was a micromanager who put his nose in everything related to army, economy and security. His ideas were most stupid but his generals couldn't dare say it to his face.
He thought himself as a sort of a god and thought everything he said without knowledge and experience was to be the right thing.
You can see the result of his genius by 1945
If I'm not mistaken there was some controversy regarding the subject? Someone came forth with some kind of evidence but Irving and whoever else rejected it?
no proof the holocaust happened.
no dead bodies aside from those who suffered from typhus and starvation, both of Jews and Germans, after Germany was attacked.
Plus the math doesn't work out.
The Holocaust didnt happen.
The Holocaust literally did not happen.
There is no evidence in favor of the Holocaust.
Yes it did happen, proof is below. Answers a lot of the questions that revisionists have. You can expand it at the bottom
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Is it possible he was only focused on those things in particular? I mean he was the leader of the country and with all that power you do have to take some responsibility for management of the most important things. I mean it wouldn't be crazy if people did things behind his back, there were hundreds of some of his top men that plotted an assassination against him, not to mention the things that went on in battle with regards to generals disobeying him directly sometimes (Rommel with executions, etc). Playing devils advocate here
No, it didn't happen. Proof is below. Answers a lot of questions that Holocaust believers have.
Pic related. You believe this happened.
>The holocaust did happen
Oy vey goyim! Never forget the Holocoaster! It totally happened!
In the codoh forum there is a quote from Hitler citied where he even denies it. He hears about astrocities from an allied radio sender and says something like he is generous that he only wants the working hands from the jews. But sadly the link to the origin doesn't work anymore.
nice try
can you give one piece of evidence the holocaust happened? i dont mean some block of text no one will ever read. do you have one piece of evidence you can give right here, right now..or nah?
:^)
Look at the link please, also this refutes a lot too
I'm not a jew actually, I just don't believe in lies, I'm a NatSoc actually and part of my belief system is making sure that I hold nothing false within me:
>There should be nothing false in you! The Jew is dishonest. He is born that way and is ever full of deceit. You are born to be honest and to remain honest. Your face does not lie, your words are true, your actions are clear and can stand before all
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German documents right here prove it happened
The Holohoax would have had to happen in the first place for him to be aware of it.
Any evidence Aktion 1005 took place?
>Look at the link please,
Funny how you don't have to look at my link, huh?
> also this refutes a lot too
So that's supposed to refute all the evidence in this pastebin?
Also, do you actually believe pic related occurred?
>I'm not a jew actually,
Why are you doing their work for them?
> I just don't believe in lies
You mean like the Holocaust?
>I'm a NatSoc actually
lol, not you're not.
>using wikipedia links.
lol
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com
Here's more proof, the Ariel photographs revisionists use as counter evidence actually is proof for the pro holocaust crowd.
oy vey! never forget the nazi's spanking my hiney until it was blistered!
It happened because the nuremberg trials said it happened!
>here's more proof
>blogspot
user, i...
would you like me to debunk Aktion 1005 as a CIA PSYOP?
The Nazis put a ferret in my butthole dude.
Every time you deny the Holocaust I can feel it scratch around in there again.
How could you do this?
And who is your employer?
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>holocaust controversies
lol
The "Extermination Camps" of "Aktion Reinhardt": An Analysis and Refutation of Factitious "Evidence," Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of the "Holocaust Controversies" Bloggers - Carlo Mattogno, Jürgen Graf, Thomas Kues
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Air Photo Evidence: World War Two Photos of Alleged Mass Murder Sites Analyzed - John Clive Ball
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>any evidence it took place?
Check the operations paragraph, it has sources and talks about its documentation
Go start a debate thread on /his/ about it, they will have answers to your questions about the holocaust.
Outsourcing your arguments is so gay. If you're not ready to talk, don't enter a discussion.
Yeah, we get it, you saw something and believed it. Happens all the time man.
>The Nazis put a ferret in my butthole dude.
At least Hitler didn't personally burn your family at the stake!
>Go start a debate thread on /his/ about it, they will have answers to your questions about the holocaust.
you dont you want to debate here? :) wonder why not
The poles knew about the extermination of Jews since 1942
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Heinrich Himmler speaks of the extermination of the Jews:
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Joseph Goebbels' Diaries:
Excerpts, 1942-43
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Testimony of Oskar Groening:
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In 1946 the British government set up an inquiry with the specific intent of discrediting Jewish immigration to Palestine and downplaying the Holocaust. It was headed by centre-right, non-Jewish, senior judges, civil servants and diplomats from America and the UK.
Its reluctant findings estimated the number of Jewish victims from the Holocaust at 5.7 million...
Total Number Jews Killed - 5,721,500
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This source refutes the claim that is made by some Holocaust deniers that Red Cross documents support them.
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accounts of those who lived in the town which regularly saw the trains along with brutal occurrances.
deathcamps.org
The Wanssee protocol - a discussion between high ranking Nazi officials on "the Jewish question".
avalon.law.yale.edu
NO NAZI. Ever. Ever. Was a Holocaust denier.
From 1945 onwards, thousands of Nazis were captured and hundreds tried for their part in the Holocaust and other crimes against humanity.
Even men on trial for their lives, in the full knowledge they would be hanged if convicted, never stood up in the courtroom and shouted "This is all a lie! This is a fabrication! There were no gas chambers and no crematoria! I'M BEING FRAMED!!!!"
>inb4 Its all fake you dirty kike!!!!!!
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>Go start a debate thread on /his/ about it,
No.
>they will have answers to your questions about the holocaust.
My questions have already been answered. The Holocaust did not happen.
You can't answer my questions that I did at one point have.
You can't even provide a single picture or film of a so-called gas chamber in operation.
How should Hitler have been aware of something that never happened?
>first source is a letter addressed to the (((United Nations)))
ignored
>second source is Himmler
Himmler isnt speak about the extermination of Jews. He's speaking about the Final Solution.
>rest of sources irrelevant if youre stuck at the second
yep, this. if he listened to Rommel the western front would have never happened. still woulda lost to ussr tho.
>Heinrich Himmler speaks of the extermination of the Jews:
Heinrich Himmler's Posen Speech from April 10, 1943
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Posen Speeches
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>Testimony of Oskar Groening:
Torture and Testicle Crushing at Nuremberg
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>Total Number Jews Killed - 5,721,500
Funny, I thought it was 8 million in auschwitz alone
>the Holocaust didn't happen!
>Trump isn't a Jewish pawn!
pol is stupid
Just fuck off, if you say you believe it you can make my job a fuckton easier man
"it was real in my mind"
>Just fuck off,
Fuck you kike. You don't get to spread your lies about claiming that the "holocaust happened" here.
> if you say you believe it you can make my job a fuckton easier man
Nope. You're not going to earn your shekels here you kike bitch.
There is literally zero evidence for the Holocaust.
"Oy vey! Don't forget the 20 million people killed in gas chambers by the Nazi's!"
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What does your reality show president have to do with the #yolocaust?
The Holocaust Summed Up in Eighteen Seconds
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Jesus and these were kids at school. Aryan kids. Forced to listen to this trash about the man who did more to fight their true enemy than anyone else in history. Makes my blood boil.
Jews should be registered and sterilized. Quarantining them in their own country isn't enough. The degree to which the default American worldview is kike lies is mind-boggling. Reality is so far from it that you know you can't even deprogram the people you love. My brothers and parents and friends will likely always believe in the Holocaust, anti-racism, feminism and act in self-harming ways because of it.
I want to go back, I want the juicy steak.
>Jews should be registered and sterilized.
I'd be perfectly fine with all Jews in White countries being shipped off to Israel and never allowed to return.
That way, the Jews know for all time that the White race finally defeated them.
The Holocaust as defined as the systematic extermination of 6 million Jews (and other groups) ordered by the German State did not happen. Not a single written order or shred of evidence at the "death camps" exists.
Jews and others who died through natural and unnatural causes did happen, because we have the records and graves to prove it.
stop being a zionist.
His generals, you mean the ones who wanted to dash straight for Moscow and leave their flanks and rear open to attack?
I don't know why this meme exists. The German generals were intelligent but weren't without their own mistakes. Hitler's plan to capture the Soviet Union's resources and agriculture would have secured the war's victory, instead he allowed his generals to pressure him into a mixed strategy of heading for Moscow while taking resources/agriculture along the way. It resulted in the Wehrmacht being exhausted by the time they reached the gates of Moscow.
>stop being a zionist.
lol. I don't give a fuck about Israel or the middle east. It's a non-White place that has nothing to do with us.
if it makes you feel any better, I'd be fine with deporting all the Jews anywhere, as long as it's not anywhere close to a White country. Israel is just the best place to send them as it's the only place that wouldn't outright refuse their entry.
They claim it's the homeland of the Jewish people? Okay...all the Jews can be sent there.
I'm reading through your link's counter arguments and it completely mischaracterises the arguments. For instance I'm on the part of the failed german communist revolution and its making the argument that Liebknecht was not jewish, but fails to mention that literally everyone else like Luxemberg was jewish, and there was a similar situation with the boshelviks. The reason I have serious doubt in the official story people tell us, is that there are just so many coincidences that you can't ignore them.
stop being a zionist.
wtf you smoking faggot
Where would you recommend they be deported to then?
>The holocaust did happen
Prove it.
The Jewish Question is complex, and so must be its Answer.
Anyone who says there is a single solution is deceived and deceives others.
I will not give you the full Solution because you're not in a position to enact it.
But I'd have you consider the JQ from this perspective:
>If we threaten to kill all Jews, they will nuke the world
>If we deport the Jews to Israel, they will win because it's exactly what they want, and Hitler knew it
>If we attempt to destroy Jewish culture entirely, they will reject us and engage Judaism with renewed vigor
>If we disperse all the Jews throughout the world, they will eventually slither their way into seats of power, just like they have done and are doing in the many Nations right now
These are four possible solutions to the JQ, and four reasons why they're individually the incorrect.
>>If we threaten to kill all Jews, they will nuke the world
>>If we deport the Jews to Israel, they will win because it's exactly what they want, and Hitler knew it
>>If we attempt to destroy Jewish culture entirely, they will reject us and engage Judaism with renewed vigor
>>If we disperse all the Jews throughout the world, they will eventually slither their way into seats of power, just like they have done and are doing in the many Nations right now
Fair enough.
I personally believe they're nothing but a cancer, eating the soul of the White race. For that reason alone they have no place and do not deserve to be in White nations.
If we had a White-only, Jew aware, pro-White (aka National Socialist) nation I believe that would go a long way into being able to survive the Jewish threat.
The logical issue I have with holocaust claimers is that they deny any of the things that would cause someone to have the sheer anger towards jews that they would be willing to kill them ever happened. It does not make any sense to kill the jews unless they were actually a threat. I would be more inclined to believe the holocaust actually happened if people accepted that jews were actually responsible for communism and the other things, because then at least killing them makes sense.
The problem with "jooz dindu nutin" is "why kill them then?"
You can't expect me to believe hitler hated jews for no reason and then tried to take over the world for no reason.
>If we had a White-only, Jew aware, pro-White (aka National Socialist) nation I believe that would go a long way into being able to survive the Jewish threat.
agreed m8
But are jews really the bad guys?
>But are jews really the bad guys?
You have no idea...
The Jews
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I'm skeptical of the holocaust deniers arguments as well, I think there were intentional killings, but no gas chambers, and the number was exagerated, but the fact is the jews really were the bad guys of ww2. If the holocaust happened exatcly like they said that would just mean that jews and hitler were both the bad guys. There is too much evidence even without ww2 to say that jews consistently meddle in too much shit.
When it comes down to it, I actually think jews thinking of them selves as perpetual victims is actually hurting them. I actually am friends with a lot of jews and it makes me sad that they have to be my "enemy" so to speak. Ideally I would like to see the general jewish population rise up against the jews who engage in all the different jew schemes so that they can live like normal people instead of also being hated because some of their population won't stop fucking with other groups.
>You can't expect me to believe hitler hated jews for no reason and then tried to take over the world for no reason.
Exactly.
If I believed the Holocaust happened I'd have to ask myself What did the Jews do to Germany that the NSDAP's logical, reasoned, well thought out response was to "kill every single Jew in Europe" in the most greusome way possible.
Of course then I'd have to ask: What did the Jews do that caused 109 different countries over the course of 2,000 years that made those countries leaders say "You know what, we'd be better off if we just deported every single Jew from our homelands."
One hundred and nine fucking times an entire country got so sick of the Jews shit that they banded together to deport every single Jew they could find.
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zundel trial buried the holohoax long ago. that summary is heavy nonetheless
I'm aware that there are no good jews so to speak, but I still think that making them someone else's problem is better than killing them. I dated a jew and my experiences with her and her family has led me to believe that a lot of the subversive behaviour they have is unconscious and they really can't help themselves. Therefore every single jew is a problem, but only the traitorous jews deserve punishment.
You shouldn't exterminate all wolves to protect your flock, but it is worth protecting them from the wolves. You can't really blames wolves for being wolves though.
I believe hitler was is stupid enough to start a holocaust against the jews.
I mean he did take on 3 fronts at the same time and cost germany it's culture.
>I believe hitler was is stupid enough
The irony
>That spacing
Hey they were 10 miles away from the capital of the USSR at one point man. It was stupid yeah but it doesn't mean they didn't do shit at all
>German documents right here prove it happened
That's not true. There are no wartime documents referring to any such action, because it didn't happen.
en.metapedia.org
>"According to official historiography, Himmler, at a point in time when Auschwitz, allegedly the largest of the German ‘extermination camps,’ began its murderous activity, had not yet thought of building crematoria for the incineration of corpses: the victims of the so-called ‘bunkers’ of Birkenau are supposed to have simply been buried in mass graves, which had been dug in the ‘Birkenwald’ (birch forest). Himmler is supposed to have ordered the cremation of bodies in Auschwitz after his second visit there on July 17 and 18, 1942. As a result of this alleged Himmler order, the incineration of the bodies under the open sky is supposed to have begun on September 21, 1942.
>But during the month before his visit to Auschwitz, Himmler is supposed to have ordered the SS-Standartenführer Paul Blobel, through the chief of the Gestapo, Heinrich Müller, to eradicate all traces of the mass graves:
> “In June 1942 SS-Gruppenführer Müller, chief of the Gestapo, charged SS-Standartenführer Blobel with removing all traces of the mass executions carried out in the east by the Einsatzgruppen. This order was considered a state secret, and Blobel was instructed to refrain from any written correspondence on the subject. The operation was given the code name ‘Sonderaktion (special operation) 1005.’”
>Given the above, it is incomprehensible that corpses were buried in Auschwitz up until September 20, 1942, and in Treblinka up to March 1943; it is similarly inexplicable that cremations in Sobibór are supposed to have begun in the summer of 1942, those in Belzec in the middle of December 1942, and those in Treblinka in March 1943.
>wolves
you mean parasites
What if
the Holocaust actually happened AND Jews hyped it and used it for political gain? These two ideas don't need to be exclusive.
>he did take on 3 fronts at the same time
>he doesn't know about the Saar offensive
what about this then?
Specifically the thing that came up with the total of 5.7 million dead
>the Holocaust actually happened AND Jews hyped it and used it for political gain?
The Holocaust didn't happen and the Jews use the lie for their perfect victim status.
Why else would children and grandchildren of "holocaust" "survivors" still be considered "holocaust survivors"? So they can keep getting money and sympathy long after the last Jew who was alive during the "holocaust" is dead.
Children of Holocaust Survivors Inherit the Role of Witness
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Concert Pianist 'Suffering Vicarious Trauma' from Parents' Holocaust Experiences
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Holocaust Survivors' Grandchildren Call for Action Over Inherited Trauma
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Holocaust Survivors 'Traumatizing' Their Grandchildren, Campaigners Warn
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Holocaust Trauma Affects Grandchildren of Survivors
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The Holocaust's Long Reach: Trauma is Passed On to Survivors' Children
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wtf I see this bot everywhere, is it made by the mods?
>Please archive.
Yeah, I need to go through all my holocaust related links and archive them all.
Wait, what?
Do you have any evidence that it happened?
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Whenever you post a link from a major news site a bot with a Norwegian flag will reply to you with an archived version of it.
Check the replies for this post youll see
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I knew this guy btw
The actions of the einsatzgruppen are pretty well documented. It's something of a mistake to only think about Western European Jews in concentration camps, when the majority of killing in what eventually was called the Holocaust consisted of extermination of entire towns of Byelorussians out in the fields during the course of Barbarossa
>The actions of the einsatzgruppen are pretty well documented.
The Einsatzgruppen and the Holocaust
whale.to
inconvenienthistory.com
Examining the Einsatzgruppen Reports
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And while it hasn't been released yet...
The Einsatzgruppen
holocausthandbooks.com
Before invading the Soviet Union, the German authorities set up special units meant to secure the area behind the German front. Orthodox historians claim that these unites called Einsatzgruppen primarily engaged in rounding up and mass-murdering Jews. This study tries to shed a critical light into this topic.
>I knew this guy btw
Even mainstream historians cant decide whether Hitler decided it or if it was an unofficial policy brought on by lower ranks
Hitler wasnt present in the Wansee conference when the final solution was decided in the end
But user...the Holocaust didn't happen. We've already proven it in this thread.
OP was a shill paid to try and delude us into believing the Holocaust happened and got so buttflustered that he ran off.
Yeah he planned on killing more atomwaffen members at a national meeting, but he ended up just killing his room mates Jeremy and Andrew. Both were good men who had just moved down there little less than 8 months ago. Hard working guys. Even as a Jew I still think they shouldn't have died. Devon deserves the chair
>Yes it did happen
Specifically, did it happen in the gas chambers with unsealed doors and widows or in the room with the roller-coaster that went into the giant oven?
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electrocution meme, >2
"Ausrottung" is translated directly as "extermination." Extermination is a fine translation, but neither word really implies killing. He's talking about deporting the kikes.
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inconvenienthistory.com
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"Liquidation" refers to deportation.
>etc.
I'm not going to read all your sources when it's evident you haven't done so yourself.
He was probably aware of it to some degree but he wasn't on the front lines or didn't see it. Himmler had more involvement in it and the only execution he witnessed he fainted at.
He's just a hard-working Sup Forumsack trying to clean up the board.
Let's see that documentation.
en.wikipedia.org
I agree the translations are wrong, as Hitler didn't know about the holocaust but the holocaust happened dude
I thought ausrottung = uprooting
Strategic cucking by irving so he can continue to research his beloved archives without being arrested!
Well he went and cultivated the primary sources and found the diaries etc etc and none of the other historians of hitler did hes the authority when it comes to hilter as far as Im concerned.
>I agree the translations are wrong, as Hitler didn't know about the holocaust but the holocaust happened dude
Himmler and Goebbels are different people from Hitler, idiot. Did anyone know about the "Holocaust?"
yeah Himmler and Goering
shit, you're right.
Thanks for the insight friend! And the bump as well