Service for citizenship

Should Military service be mandatory for all members of a nation, or should citizenship only be granted to those who have served in the military?

> Why are you not in the military, user?

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There should be a service requirement to gain citizenship, but it shouldn't be restricted to military service.

I'd like to see a three-branch system - national defense, national service, and national outreach. Defense is self-explanatory, you sign-up for the military. Service would be domestic volunteer work - working on infrastructure projects, helping at hospitals, senior care, or mental health facilities or other things of that sort. Outreach would be international volunteer work - disaster relief and aid programs.

Each path involves a two year term of service after you turn 18. You don't earn wages directly, but if you get credit in a sort of escrow account while you serve and the payment is based on the difficulty or risk of the job you're assigned (ex. defense earns more than outreach, etc). If you complete your entire term, you get full citizenship (can vote, run for office, etc) and can collect your earnings as either cash, taxed at the normal rate, or in the form of a tax-free college or vocational school tuition grant or small business loan. The idea being that you not only earn your citizenship, but you get a little something that you're incentivized to put towards higher education or entrepreneurship.

Oh boy, let's just make the roman empire again. That'll turn out great.

All mercenaries should be publicly executed.

By limiting the political process to those who have already served their country, you ensure that the people making decisions are those who have already made a genuine effort to make it a better place.

write your congressman user

Revoking birthright citizenship will never happen, unfortunately.

This is gay because cucks and elites would just work in a tranny commune on public dime

If you aren't lifting weight and shooting gun, you don't vote

This is good idea i like

I'm 28 I missed the chance to join

Words of wise man

>national service, and national outreach
no
the left would immediately make branches under those umbrellas the moment they could. They'd be like "spreading cultural awareness in communities" or some bullshit.

Have you fucks never seen Starship Troopers
Also
>fighting to uphold American imperialism

Know why the world hates us? It's not muh freedoms but I don't know, the fact that we regularly prop up dictators because it benefits us. Fuck the military. Fuck those pigs.

I don't see why it can't be a requirement. There should be allowments for people who oppose military service to do civil service. It's rather silly to say citizenship should only be granted to those who have served. What's the status of kids and those born before the rule comes to be?

Also those who do not fulfill the requirements should not become stateless but should not be allowed to hold public jobs. Perhaps they could be restricted from voting. I'm in the air about that latter point.

yep

I think if the scope of the service were well enough defined this wouldn't be a problem. There's enough we have to agree on. What's needed is strong leadership from the right and an aim to a new American commons.

you sound like a fascist

Robert O'Neill is an interesting guy. Not only a SEAL but a Team Six guy who was on some of the most storied OPs in the history special operations. Yet, he really doesn't come off as that alpha on TV, more of a regular Joe.

You sound like someone who would benefit from a dictionary

You don't choose what country you were born in and you shouldn't by default be "proud" or "indebted" to the country. I should for the most part have autonomy. Don't force me in to service.

It makes sense in a country like Israel where they're in a constant state of active military defense, but not for the U.S. because there isn't a pressing need for that many new soldiers.

Besides, mandatory military would an even bigger waste of taxpayer money. Like we need to have even more idiots fucking about during their "service" at some base in fucking Germany.

Is that after we kill all degenerates?

Ever read the book, faggot?

>Should Military service be mandatory for all members of a nation
Yes

>should citizenship only be granted to those who have served in the military?
Never

You just have to clearly outline each service before you establish the system.

>What's the status of kids and those born before the rule comes to be?
Phase the system in gradually - start with like a 5 year window where the citizenship rule only applies to holding public office, then another window where it expands to include voting rights, then another where it expands to include receiving benefits. By the time you finish a whole generation has passed and the system has become normalized.

It makes sense in Israel because it is a proud ethnostate. It doesn't make sense in the US because we are a non-country awaiting Balkanization or Brazil.

>Besides, mandatory military would an even bigger waste of taxpayer money. Like we need to have even more idiots fucking about during their "service" at some base in fucking Germany
There are three good reasons to mandate military service:
1. Balance of power against a hostile government. As in Donbass, you load all the dads up with materiel, give them a quick refresher, and they're combat-ready against whatever punks might want to go where they're not wanted.
2. They're (arguably well-disciplined) labor that can be put to some good and quite necessary use around the homeland, such as the Army Corps of Engineers and the Conservation Corps made whole cities and forests possible.
3. A military force with broad civilian participation and almost everyone connected to someone in the service isn't going to start a bunch of dumb shit on (((orders))). Fragging is the goddamn duty of every soldier who receives an unconstitutional order.

This is the correct answer. Thread over.

The nations problems are not mine. I dont identify with America nor do I do anything I do with the intent to make it better.

The needs of myself and my family come first. Anything else -work/career, helping friends (for which I later anticipate a returned favor), military service- is an economic transaction unless Im giving to or working for a charity or volunteer cause. And I say this as a manager in public safety.

Workable. Would there be exceptions for disabled people? It be horrible to make an already disadvantaged segment of the population more disadvantaged.

You sound like a real piece of shit.

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP

My Country is gone full mental after war!
No Draft for me!

conscription is one of the most nationalistic policies. it makes your male population stronger and ready to protect their people

>This is the correct answer. Thread over.
>The nations problems are not mine.
And this!

>The nations problems are not mine. I dont identify with America nor do I do anything I do with the intent to make it better. The needs of myself and my family come first.
And what exactly do you think happens to you and your family when the nation degenerates and collapses around you? Putting yourself and your family first doesn't mean you completely neglect your responsibility, as a citizen, to help protect and preserve your country and your way of life.

Absolutely not. Forced military service is one of the worst ways to keep an effective, cohesive military.

Look at the Russian military- a shit show with no checks or balances, where the poor get beat the shit out of to get paid pennies, while the rich get forgery papers to skip. It makes sense too- would you want to be in military service with EVERYONE from your graduating high school year?
>The needs of myself and my family come first. Anything else -work/career, helping friends (for which I later anticipate a returned favor), military service- is an economic transaction unless Im giving to or working for a charity or volunteer

This user is spot-on. Every person I've met who'd joined the military because "muh patriotism" is either injured or wishing they did something else. It's a career choice- there are many benefits and opportunities, and by having this process of selection you allow your forces to become better out of their own ambition.

So? Other create the Problems
He should pay it with his life?
Seems legit for me!

If you're not willing to protect and/or serve, why should anyone else?

>I don't care about the apartment complex falling into severe disrepair.
>I just care about my own units interior, who cares if the entire complex is a nigger tier shithole

Go watch Starship Troopers.

>If you're not willing to protect and/or serve, why should anyone else?
Do i force somebody in name of (patriotism-profit) to kill him self?
No!
Work on your arguments!

Done my time in the service burgerbro. And yes, every single kid should serve 2 years minimum at age 18. Then either college, work or stay in the service.

Rejig the services so all draftees are tested and put into a group where they are most likely to succeed. Start using Army Engineers to fix national infrastructure, use Army medics to help out those in need, send the retards to Alaska. That way every 20 year old has had at least two years of valuable experience in a line of work they might be good at, then let the fuckers choose.

But thats too smart, and against the 'YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO' attitude.

I don't think we need this in the US. Right now the military is actually quite selective about who they will select and who they won't because there is no shortage of people who want to join. I'd rather have it where the people in the military are all people who want to be in, not someone just doing it for citizenship or because they are forced to.

I'm actually in the process of applying to OCS with the Army. I'm just waiting on a waiver for a childhood medical condition.

Used to be the military shaped the recruits to be what they needed instead of looking for recruits who already fit the need.

We've gone soft. Even the damn Boy Scouts can't push kids too hard anymore without getting a million complaints from PTA parents.

Yes, starship troopers time line please.

You are what's wrong with our country. Love can only be unconditional.

The military still shape recruits to be what they need. The selective part is just to make sure they have the best candidates to mold. And they tighten and loosen them based on if they are growing or shrinking. For example, you can have a full sleeve tattoo and join the Air Force now, because they're trying to grow by 30,000+ airmen.

Once you're in, they train you for what they need, and that training can literally be years depending on the field.

>There should be a service requirement to gain citizenship, but it shouldn't be restricted to military service.

That's a recipe for disaster, leftists would immediatly integrate the two other branches you named.
Also the entire point of military service giving you citizenship is because if there is a conflict you are the one sent to die, it's not comparable to help some hobos.

Did my time. Learned a trade. Now I make 6 figures and own two houses.

Yes, 4-years compulsory service.

what are you smoking, Mid 30s is the cutoff

doing the saudis biding doesnt sit well with me. i kneel to no desert goat fucker

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I wanna send those fucking maori dole bludgers to labour camps aye

>Outreach would be international volunteer work
That's all cool aside from this. It's taking money that could towards the nation and people and instead wasting it abroad.

Neat idea otherwise.

Two safeguards

1) You specify the type of work that qualifies for the domestic service and international outreach options so that it's actually productive shit like taking care of the sick and infirm, not making socialist fliers about interracial gay marriage or whatever

2) Even if a handful of motivated liberals infiltrate the programs it won't help them in the long run because most of the people who would normally vote for liberals are also the kind of people who wouldn't stick with a two year term of service to gain voting rights.

Somekind of work for the society should be mandatory for every citizen but not everybody has to go into the army

International aid isn't so much the issue, the problem is that 99% of international aid funding currently goes to the fuckers running the funds or their middle men instead of the actual aid program.

If you had a dedicated, competently run, state-operated international aid organization that was just running around helping with natural disaster relief efforts and shit like that it'd be fine. All the humanitarian do-good-ness with none of the Jewish money laundering and African warlords.

>state-operated
>with none of the Jewish money laundering
I don't think that'll work on a regular government, desu.

On second though, maybe both stages being required would be more interesting. You spend 1 year on national defence and 1 year on national service.

>Why are you not in the military, user?
Because I don't want to spend my life in the military.

>Why are you not in the military, user?
I will be once I graduate uni. Brazil has conscription and mine is merely postponed.

>Should Military service be mandatory for all members of a nation, or should citizenship only be granted to those who have served in the military?

That depends entirely on whether the selection process has been overrun by jews.

This. It gives a nation a sense of unity. And before our burger friends spergout yeah average conscript is a shit tier soldier. But shit-tier is perfectly adequate in support roles for the professionals.

In Finland we have military and civil services for people to choose. The latter is only free labor for government. You can't serve by working in NGO jobs. Public hospitals, government building reception work, street cleaning that sort of things in government agencies and government owned companies.

Heinleinian citizenship is different from modern concepts of citizenship, it's really a tiered citizenship under a unified interstellar government. National citizenship as a basic rights possessing metric does not apply when there is only one nation and everyone lives in it.

Voting has never been defacto a natural right. Under the american scheme HL citizens could vote naturalised or native 'non-citizens' into public office.

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