Communism failed in so many countries. Why is there so many faggots that still believe in it?

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Alot of people like to fuck their grandfathers while eating feces. Historically these people have been predominantly communist.

>Communism failed in so many countries. Why is there so many faggots that still believe in it?

Post-modernists don't believe in objective reality, history, facts, reason, or truth. They can reject your reality and socially construct their own.

While a rational person might look at history and determine that the power structures necessary to implement a socialist revolution inexorably turn into a murderous authoritarian nightmare, post-modernists can just decide that the reason it failed was because of capitalist oppressors.

While a rational person might examine marxist economics and determine that it's logically inconsistent and mathematically impossible, a post-modernist will just declare logic and math socially constructed and therefore irrelevant.

There is literally no reasoning with them because the central tenet of post-modernism is that reason cannot be used to determine objective truth.

The fundamental problem is it's great at first. Some people work because they are workers and other people do nothing because they are lazy fucks. Then the workers start to complain about the lazy fucks. Why should we work so hard when those lazy fucks get the same? So the government can't pay the workers more, that's not communism, so they do nothing. Eventually, the workers say "What the fuck?" Why am I working so hard when those lazy bastards get the same as me. I'm going to work less just like those lazy fucks. Then the economy starts to run out of basic goods and food. Now they have no choice but to force the lazy fucks to work at the point of a gun. But they lazy fucks, being what they are, are still lazy fucks. So now they have to start sending people to the Gulags to increase production. That still doesn't work. People start complaining, so they close down the media and start selling propaganda. Eventually, everyone is starving to death and have no choice but to riot and over throw the government. This is the story of socialism, over and over again.

Because all of those totalitarian communist regimes that bloody-handedly purged portions of their own citizenry who weren't willing to fall in line and be good goyim slaves for the Party weren't practicing REAL communism.

Just like the Islamic State isn't REAL islam.

Evil stupid professors.

because why people are too stupid and weak to fight it now.

Unfortunately, your wrong. ISIS is practicing the REAL Islam, to the letter. They are doing exactly as the prophet Mohammed instructs. EXACTLY. Look it up.

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Because may subconsciously associate Communism with Jesus Christ. They seem to have lots in common.

The same sad truth can be applied to those who believe in authoritarian fascism.

Because homos who can't live without a parental safety net think that's because life is hard and unfair.

He was being sarcastic you autist

Try telling that to someone nowadays now. They usually counter back with "yeah but the bible." For its easily handled because.

1. It's whataboutism. Remember that. The discussion is about the violence in Islam and not any other religion.
2. I'm not Christian. I have no problem agreeing with nearly all the points they make about violence in christianity which usually sends their heads spinning. Because their tactic fails.
3. If they try the "you cant assume every middle eastern immigrant/Arab is a Muslim" offence, I ask "why did you assume I was Christian then?"

There's a few tactics you can do that destroys "religion of peace" arguments. Because they're weak and usually the same talking points.

Fascism has been tried like what, five times total? It fixed every country and the only reason it stopped it that they were systematically invaded.

He wasnt being literal you idiot
Hes using libtard logic against them

same reason Sup Forumstards believe in fascism.

also there's enough grey area and correlation between present economic trends and those described in marx's "capital".

inb4 the flood of posts from china, vietnam, laos, north korea, and cuba defending communism

oh wait, wtf am i talking about, it's always a bunch of faggots from western european countries and north america who have never once experienced actual communism that do that

People ignore the downsides of communism and only see the part where everyone gets equal shit

Cattle need to be herded and the herd provides.

True communism has never been tried. The only country that merts the prereqs for this is America.

Real communism has never been tried, so it has never failed.

Authoritarianism is what has failed.

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Because those people are mentally ill and have severe issues with the idea of freedom.

lol

It's an ersatz religion. A substitute for God for sad little atheists.

What grey area?

Das Kapital was BS'd from beginning to end. The first sentence of the first chapter explains "use value"-which doesn't exist anyways(and it's better that way). It's not even questionable. It self evidently doesn't exist.

A fucking leaf.

>Franco's spain.
>invaded.

The Spanish Monarch basically lied so franco would allow him back in power.

Said monarch then basically removed fascism.

Chilean miracle was largely a myth, Chile's problems were probably exacerbated by Pinochet's repression, and any economic "growth" had more to do with selling off assets, in a manner that didn't reach the people.

>Argentina

once again it didn't help economic growth any, the idiotic attempt to invade the falklands failed and basically led to the regime being overthrown.

the Nazi's and Italy were retarded for starting a war against some of the wealthiest world powers out there. They're largely overrated from an economic standpoint. Hitler basically looted Germany in the 30's, along with Austria, then looted Czechoslovakia, then Poland, Netherlands, France, Norway.. and finally started a stupid war with Russia and get rekt. Italy was just retarded and got rekt because they couldn't afford to modernize their military or properly train their troops, and got on the nazi-bandwagon after the fall of france.

>nd correlation between present economic trends and those described in marx's "capital".

confirmed for never reading Das Kapital. Apart from all philosophical bullshit Marx wrote, he made 3 distinct economic predictions(and that's about it about economics part of that gargabe book), that turned out to be wrong, and are still wrong. read carefully next time.

Real capitalism has never been tried, so it has never failed.

Authoritarianism is what has failed.

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Do you see why your logic is wrong, or are you somehow so dense that you have a brick for a brain?

Communism is most likely the future as automation eliminates all jobs within 10 years.

Nobody votes to be Communist. It is always a "liberation" from Capitalism to slavery.

okay dr peterson

he literally describes the trends of globalization when discussing the alienation of labor, are you retarded?

>durr hurr I buy things without thinking about how I would use them, and the value of using something would bring.

They think they can fix all the worlds problems, plus they're weak and effeminate so they don't feel they can compete against strong men in free society

There aren't, its just leftykike brute force shilling. They make endless slide threads to bump the good ones off the board.

>Inb4 unironically tries to justify Fascism by saying "but that wasn't REAL fascism."

Because it is idealistic. It's the same bullshit as religion, follow these tenants and everything will be better. If they don't follow the tenants and be god sheep they need to be gotten rid of. Doesn't matter what ill you do as in the end it's for the greater good.

And because the desired end is an idealistic utopia and because the whole ideology is theoretical if shit hits the fan and you get a shithole it doesn't count in their eyes because it didn't bring their "True Communism."

they can't compete on the naturally forming hierarchy of capitalism so they want everyone to get the same results, nothing else is considered

Because they're retards. How many ex-Commie countries demand Communism to come back? It's just typical leftist hypocrisy of "You third worlders are just too retarded to be able to do it properly" like when they get offended on behalf of people who are too stupid to understand they're being offended, like niggers.
Are you really questioning why people who watch Muslims blow people up on almost weekly basis and then defend said Muslims as being the victims are struggling with logic?

>the Nazi's and Italy were retarded for starting a war against some of the wealthiest world powers out there

Almost like they didn't start the war at all. Remind me exactly how many countries Germany declared war on and in what years.

>B-b-b-b-but Poland! Muh Jews!

Sad.

Communism would work if it had a starting point in which the country it began in.

>Had little or no socio-economic problems.
>Had a largely homogenous or atleast integrated population.
>Had a large middle class.
>Had a comparitively wealthy working class.
>Was or could energy self-reliant, and strong on exported goods.

Democratic communism is inevitable in the far future. (Hopefully.) As we move more and more towards a utopic society. For the moment it will always fail and will inevitably be autocratic because it has to be forced upon an exploited population.

Well to answer your first point: most of them actually. The second biggest party in Russia at the moment is the communist party. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Russian_Federation

This is mirrored across other ex-communist countries.

The Germans even have a word for it. Ostalgie. Referring to the nostalgia felt for soviet Germany.

I'm no supporter of communism. I just don't like un-truths being spread.

Oh also see you're a wehraboo. Never mind.

Inb4 the hilarious six gorillion and rabbi shekelstein memes.

Its interesting how people claim capitalism is king when there has been no example of capitalism in any major economy throughout history. Its ALWAYS a mixed market that wins. In fact capitalism is just as flawed as Comunism since its based on people making correct and rational choices which we all know peopleare to retarded to do. the best mixed markets are more open but at least a little regulation is needed to prevent shit hitting the fan.

>(literal) fascism in action

Italys only use was to be a punching bag and divert attention for a bit while they ass pounded.

>/threading yourself

Holy fuck I want newfags to leave.

Aren't most gommies in the west are white upper middle class college undergrads?

>Communism failed in so many countries.

Do you consider capitalism to be a raging success?

Yes, and when confronted with the fact that the working class hates them they pull the typical smug leftist attitude of "I know better than you goy :^)"

The most tiltig thing when trump won was when people just said "he only won becuase ignorant and uneducated people voted for him" Im not even a big fan of trump but god damn the left just tries to make poeple hate them.

grass is greener on the other side

they had all the opportunity they need in the west but wasted it all away. Thus they want forced "opportunity" and equal poverty in the law. They just want everyone dragged to their level.

>Why is there so many faggots that still believe in it?

BECAUSE IT WASN'T TRUE COMMUNISM!

Isn't this distinction pointless though? Communism always turns into an authoritarian state, so trying to argue that communism is still up for debate because it turned into authoritarianism is like trying to argue that a nuclear bomb is safe because it turned into a fuck huge pressure wave and a real nuclear bomb has never been exploded before

National Socialists arent capitalists, you must be retarded. Go back to your subjective based shithole, kike lover. You dont belong, and neither does your denial of objective truth.

I think that's largely a product of stalinist-bullshit and the anti-soviet paranoia/red-scare.

Woodrow Wilson actually imprisoned the leader of the US socialist party in 1917.. (after he managed an incredibly successful 3rd party run).

FDR's measures/reforms are said to have been aimed at undermining support for fascists and communists in the US during the 1930's.

socialists/communist groups were creating such a potential shitstorm in japan during the 1960's that there were a series of labor reforms that gave unions some say in companies to relieve pressure.

but yes, typically it's idiotic college-undergrads who are revolutionary-communists or tankies (stalinist apologists).

>Communism fails/produces shitholes everywhere with the exception of china, which eased up on the commie techniques and is sort of okay.
>Capitalism produces the best nations in the world, with a couple of mediocre to okay nations.

Look at me go, taking the bait

It's designed to cause eventual collapse & mass death.

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It's interesting that most of these faggots that support communism comes from countries that never been communist or haven't lived in one that was.

eh, it's always self-declared communism though.

I mean it's like saying the "democratic people
s republic of korea" is a democratic republic, and not a Totalitarian Dictatorship.


and looking more closely at the ideology it's always Leninism that seems to lead to those things, partially because of all the vanguard bullshit, and partially because they're always under-industrialized shitholes that are backwards or devastated by civil war, (or who lack a diverse economy, (like Venezuela)).

redpill me on tranny assholes frank

Fascism in USA NOW.

>Communism always turns into an authoritarian state
this
I try to argue this anytime it comes up. True communism is an unstable state that does not last, as a strong man always steps up to take the reins and shoot people that either try to get ahead or those too lazy to work. After he dies party men take over and the system slowly dies because of lazyness and corruption.

>It ain't me starts playing

why the FUCK would you need a large middle class? Do you understand what communism is? Theres only a working class after the revolution kills all the soft cunts like you

And if you had all of those things, why the FUCK would you switch to communism when your current ideology is working so well?

Fucking retard commies. Kill yourselves

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Communism will only work now if the whole planet is taken over, and the people are sub 90 IQ.

So in the bible it talks about creating a group that supports each other and feed and house each other and fulfill all the needs of each other and all of this other shit and that is what people are talking about when they say Christian communist BS

See but that requires everyone too have an ideology that makes you think these people are your family and makes you care for each other but even back in the day when Paul was preaching this shit he had to keep telling people stop arguing among each other stop suing each other support each other.

So in back in the day of Christianity when people could actually remember Jesus this form of Communism was failing because people are greedy and selfish and always think of themselves and their immediate family first.

So when you have a government do it and then they can pass laws that says you are single and own a house now you do not and this family owns it and this other stuff that is yours is now this other persons people get mad and decide this is not a good Idea and then they try and fight back so then the police/army kills them.

tl;dr

The communism comparison to Christianity already had issues and was falling apart back in the early days.

Communism doesn't work cause when laws pass to steal someones shit and give it to someone else people get mad.

This no-true-scotsman-esque argument has always been made when leftist economies fail. When attempts at communism are tried they have historically shown to result in authoritarian states or "big-man markets". With the historical evidence we have that far left economies fail and more free market of mixed economies succeed, it's quixotic and ridiculous that hold onto notions that communism should be pursued.

The reason they fail is 3 fold. 1st, When you have centralized planning you don't know what to set prices at for goods and you don't know how much goods to produce. 2nd, when economic data is collected it isn't able to be processed. 3rd, since there are no markets, there are no feedback mechanisms. In the future the most ubiquitous economic model will be a complexity econ model.

There's a lot of other mental diseases. Commies are just one. While they can function in a capitalist society, it is all right. As soon as they become a sizable nuance, either you boos the heli riding business or you see your country going down in flames, like Vza.

Because communism has never been tried according to marxist sympathizers. According to Marx the theory was that communism was supposed to occur in mostly developed western countries. Not eastern European shitholes with more poor than the dirt around them.

In fact Lenin and the USSR caught a lot of heat from Marxist writers back in the day because of it.

you're not getting it, though to be honest he's not exactly explaining things all that well, here's my take on it

>automation makes workers in the "developed" world uncompetitive in all areas (this is an ongoing process, it effects more than manual factory-workers, as advances in technology are allowing grey/white-collar workers, drivers, even fast-food and some medical workers seem destined to be replaced with robots).

>you are now stuck with choices: (outsource, use migrants/lower-wages, automate) in order to stay competitive.

>any one of these choices (on a large economy-wide scale) will lead to your consumer-base being unable to afford your products, meaning you'll have to further-still decrease the price of your product, which means (probably) outsourcing labor to an even shittier country, lowering wages even more, or automating even more, which in turn can.. etc.

some have proposed a Universal Basic Income (basically everyone gets a welfare check so they can be good little consumers and keep money circulating in the economy, not sure how that will stop capital flight but whatever).

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hmmm sounds like romania right after ww2
i wonder what went wrong after that

tankies, that's what.

(((Indoctrination)))
(((Free Speech)))
(((Illusion of Choice)))
These are the 3 keys that Jews use to keep the sheep in line.

Because the Zionists continue to push it for some reason I have nearly everything else figured except why the zionists love fucking communism. Read this and lets figure it out at Sup Forums my dudes

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user can you elaborate?

it's an easy path to power.

I disagree user communism can work if we have infinite resources like 3d printers and can feed everyone etc. If you can remove markets and greed from unlimited resources commnism could work

so
>fug da joos
>national socialism for whities!
>I want MY ethno-nation to control the world now
>instill cultural marxism to cuck out all ethnonations that aren't aryan to ruin them
>hehe, da untermensch will never know or we'll SHUT IT DOWN!!!

you hate them because youre jealous of them, when in reality, you're both gonna burn

but many jews already hold a lot of wealth and power it seems communism would take it away from mote than it provide

People like the idea of getting something for nothing. Niggers.

I don't hate anyone user this isn't about Jews it is about criminals Zionist, saying people hate Jews because of Zionists is like saying they hate Italians because they hate the mob, criminals are criminal ;earn the diff here

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You got it, bucko

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It never starts out great, though. Most of the time it starts with a civil war or invasion or some other shit that kills a fuckton of people.

That is correct, because real communism is a contradiction and can never truly be implemented.

Enjoy 30m+ more dead the next time someone "tries" communism again.

>I mean it's like saying the "democratic peoples republic of korea" is a democratic republic, and not a Totalitarian Dictatorship
Except not really because there are actual democratic republics to contrast it to. All of these "not real gommunism" people never have a real-world example of communism that wasn't a budding authoritarian state that got stamped out.

It'll never be 'real' communism.

anons are the Zionists motives biblically based? I am somewhat of a scholar on the new testament since I studied Christian history in college, but not the old, are the Zionsists trying to fulfill some biblical prophecy with communism?

if we can figure out their out their motive for promoting communism anons I can blow the whole thing wide open

this is interesting user but it doesn't make much sense Jews and banks do better under capitalism than communism

and you never will user it because of human nature most people in positions of power will abuse if they can make you do something they will if they can take something from you that makes their life better or easier they will, this is why communism will always fail unless there are infinite resources

is anyone going to help me unlock and expose the biggest lie and scam ever committed or not?