Vietnam's defense budget: $5 billion

>Vietnam's defense budget: $5 billion
>USA's defense budget: $580.3 billion

Why did USA lose?

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One word, Liberals

They really didn't. Go ahead and post the casualties per side.
Go on.
The only reason you can say they lost and not be wrong is that they didn't achieve what they went there for.

The Vietnam-war was not started to be won,but to be kept up as a perpetual war.

this, CIA /triad heroin production etc. war profiteering etc.
much like today's afghanistan.

There was only one goal for the Vietnam war -spend money. And we did.

Communism is an idea. Unfortunately you can't really kill ideas. So commies just kept popping up. There was too much blood on our hands so liberals got super butthurt

tbhq considering Vietnam is now one of America's closest allies in the region, in the end they won

It was a war economy war. Like Iraq and Afghanistan
>Also implying it wasn't won after the le tet offensive

>not understanding proxy wars
Just stop.

America was winning the war.

Then the Marxist Liberals started protesting in the US and the IS pulled out of a war they were going to win.

>defense budget
>actually was attacking
it's not rucola science

Fixed it for you

Congress started fucking around after the watergate scandal and wouldn't aid the south.

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this, i think the ratio is like 1 us soldier for every 50 NVA

the problem is unless you intend to completely destroy, annex, and hold a territory, a temporary proxy war will go nowhere

>won against

lol

Nazi soldiers weren't hiding in the jungle

France lost to the vietnamese, that's why we were there in the first place.

fpbp

it was a pyrrhic victory

yeah, the first generation of wars that were made up to sell arms were far too costly to American lives. They've figured out how to make it so mainly brown people die, it's much better for business.

>France lost against Germany
>But the US lost against Vietnam
France also lost against Vietnam you retard.

The USSR won against the Nazis, not the US.

Low morale, no sense of purpose, drafted soldiers that didn't want to fight, and they were fighting in jungles against people that were fighting for something substantive and knew the countryside like the back of their hand.

>alone again inna jungle
>squad is nowhere to be seen
>hear the distant shrieks of "GO HOME GI" and "I KILL YOU DOG EYES"
>is napalmed by own commander shortly thereafter
It's pretty obvious why the USA could never win.

>Actually the Soviets lost the war, go look up the casualties per side
>The only reason you can say the germans lost and not be wrong is that they didn't achieve what they went there for.

The whole point of war is to achieve political goals.

Fucking leaf.

pretty accurate desu

Oh really? All by themselves? They freed up North Africa, France, Italy, Holland, part of Germany, and Belgium all by themselves?

retards, we didn't lose we gave up

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Giving up is losing. Vietnam is communist now. America was trying to prevent that. They lost the war, and therefore failed their objective.

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Hippies destroyed them.

False analogy
You're comparing a military loss to a political bog down

It was a good attempt for a Frenchman, though.

The US did not or could not engage in the complete annihilation of the north Vietnamese population by bombing of all of their population centers.

Congress managing it. Actually we can blame Truman that we even ended up there. Ho Chi Mihn would have made it a Republic like the US had we helped them throw the French out, but Truman supported the Frances colonization. Then we went in to help them, they left, and then demonized us for actually fighting them, and winning in many areas. Never trust the French, and the Democratic party.
Also first US casualty in the conflict was in 1948.

This

Why did the US lose the war?

>Johnson didn't give a fuck, and delegated the work out
>McNamara was an autist who wanted bullshit "quantitative" indicators to measure war progress, and had no desire to understand the human side of battling an insurgency
>US backed overthrow of Diẹm undermined confidence in South Vietnamese government
>good counter-insurgency commanders like Uncle Lew had to bow to fools like Westmoreland who only understood the war in terms of body count, set-piece battles and America being the prime actor
>KGB/Hanoi propaganda and unrestricted access for the media causes focus to be on US misdeeds instead of the overwhelming atrocities of the NVA/NLF (e.g. John Kerry meeting with Madame Binh and pushing her terms for peace, calling the US the greatest violator of the Geneva Accords despite communist war crimes like the Massacre at Huế)
>Nixon had to accept NVA presence in the Central Highlands as part of Peace Accords, no American military presence, with the only lifeline to South Vietnam being promised aid
>Congress cuts off all aid, while Russia and China continues to support their communist allies. Predictable results.

South Vietnam, for all its faults, was the richest country in Southeast Asia and was not a totalitarian state. In time, it could have become a thriving and liberal country like South Korea.

Losing the Vietnam war meant the catastrophic implementation of Marxist economics and kleptocracy, an enormous refugee crisis, and half a million deaths in Vietnam and millions in Southeast Asia due to Communist conquest and repression.

>soldiers fighting commies abroad while commie students back home cried about it until Washington capitulated

They freed Berlin by themselves :^)

Because laos and cambodia allowed the nva to pass trough their territory.

no but without them nobody could've done it.
Also, you imply the US did free up North Africa, France, Italy and Belgium all by themselves ? quadruple kek

This is like saying nazis won ww2 because fewer guys died

Of course thats gonna be the ratio when you are fighting IN THEIR country numb nuts.

>doesn't know the difference between lost and abandoned.

We weren't just fighting vietnamese. We were fighting commies from china too. Probably some Koreans too.

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Considering how nazism outlived the germanic people, I think they have a point.

Ho Chi Minh actively murdered non-Communist Vietnamese nationalists to ensure the dominance of the Vietnam Minh, and in the years running up to the Vietnam War his goons killed hundreds of thousands in so-called rent reform and land reform, as well as executions of political dissidents.

There is a reason that over a million North Vietnamese fled to South Vietnam. He was a totalitarian mass murderer, red to the bone, and only used liberal rhetoric to take advantage of the gullible.

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Well the Brits also to a lesser extent. But the Soviets also would not have done it by themselves. If the US had not gone into Europe then Hitler could have moved troop to the eastern front and changed the whole dynamic.
Also the US was fighting in the Pacific Theater as well. Russia only came in days before Japan surrendered, and tried to claim it was because they came in. Never mind that Japan thought we had more nuclear goodness to use on them.
Also do not forget the US supplied the Soviets with equipment to fight Germany.

because vietnamese care more about vietnam than americans do, surprise surprise.

they didnt

We slaughtered a million gooks for 50,000 US soldiers and then left when we got bored and the liberals were getting uppity.
We never lost in the military sense.

Asymmetric warfare. It's what helped the US gain independence.

A political loss. The military was tied and couldn't attack the north.
(finally in 1972 they did air raids in the north but should have done it much earlier.)

The french lost to the Vietnamese first you fucking retard
I shouldn't be impressed with a fucking sausage gobbling faggot like you not knowing any history, but it's saddening to see so many americans here that don't know that either

For what those American people died ?

So people can now make this thread to make fun of them.

Johnson was bombing North Vietnam in 1965 as part of Operation Fiery Dart.

>defence

how do you beat them?
you can't wipe them of the face of the earth that's "inhumane" so it's just a kobayashi maru and we had no Kirk to cheat us out we had fucking tricky dick and dicky john

The US lost because the soldiers being sent to Vietnam didn't give a shit about the country nor the fact that it dared to govern itself.
In contrast, the Vietnamese were fighting on their soil and for their own right to choose whatever government they want.

If you have no stakes in the war, you do a shit job. Just imagine for a second if some other country invaded the yours and started telling them to change their government. You'd get very passionate about fighting them off in a matter of minutes.

Lucky for you, their soldiers are going to be goofball teenagers who are too stupid for college and don't care about winning.

The yanks knew they couldn't invade the north and destroy everything without invoking Russian and Chinese intervention and possibly starting WW3.

So their genius plan was to just sit in the south and hold the north at bay until they get bored and give in.

Not learning from this, we keep getting into stupid wars and trying to win them using the same retarded methodology.

The only way to pacify muslim countries is complete kebab removal, but unfortunately the plebs are soft hearted these days and we live in democracies.

Spend more on offence next time?

>Why did USA lose?
Because the Russians were not on the side that time

kek

>using the 2016 budgets

France lost against both of those.

*jews

It's like we've been saying from the beginning. An armed population is perfectly capable of defeating a professional military. Hence why we need the 2nd Amendment.

Vietnam used the Zapp Brannigan strategy

>we SOLD to our allies a little help.

Amurika fuck ye!

That picture is so fucking stupid you do realize that France lost to Vietnam too before the U.S. got involved.

The yanks weren't the only country to get thrown out of Indochina.

You took your sweet ass time paying off that debt too.

Not until after Truman refused him help. He turned to communism after that. He was open to either, and since we the US helped France it was a no brainer. This is what the US gets for bolstering our supposed allies blindly. Just like the whole Iran deal in the 50s.

As much as I love the 2nd Amendment, the Vietnam Cong were soundly vanquished in '68, and South Vietnam only fell to a massive conventional incursion in '75.

That being said, South Vietnamese irregulars ("Ruff Puffs") were incredibly effective despite having little funding, certainly nothing like ARVN regulars.

We weren't willing to use nukes

He had been a communist for years; he was promoting Bolshevism in 1919 while in Paris, and was killing liberal Vietnamese nationalists in 1945 onwards well before Truman had lifted a finger.

The same reason you never start a land war in Afghanistan or invade Russia in the winter.

LOL. Top Kek!

That's why America does not win any wars by alone.
You are not warriors, you are merchants

We wouldn't have needed to go in if you could have put them down in the first place, Frenchie.

Because the gooks were never going to give up and
the american public didn't want to fight the war anyways.

t. masters of human wave

you seem to be forgetting that france lost against those farmers too, probably worse since we never had a dien bien phu
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oh

because mooselimbs

But he was not fully committed to it is the point. Our advisors that were working with him were told by him he was only committed to having his country free. At that time he was only a communist to get aid from them to get the French out. There are a few books written on the war prior to US troops going in to support the south. I read them many years ago. The point being the US should have never helped the French, but we did because of WW2 just ending. He would have been a tyrant either way. But it is not like we have not done that game before.

Americlaps are extremelly incompetent
Richest country in the world for decades and still manages to be a shithole for the most part

And you're perpetually poor as shit. Some great "warriors" you are when you can't even afford to give all your men a fucking gun.

it s defens budget not offense budget
it s like c&c - you need mroe offense than ur enemy has defense

He might have been a Tito/Non-Aligned at best. But considering he would not even tolerate Trotskyists, I think that is a big 'if'.

And I do not put much stock in what he said to his advisors, he seemed to know full well the game of telling people what they want to hear.

>America and Britain provides soviets shoes, Jeep's, tanks, bullets and rifles (yes, some mosin Nagant were made here in America)
>>America and Britain fight in North Africa
>America and Austrailia fight in the pacific theater
>America almost singlehandedly wins the naval war
>AMERICA COULDNT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT RUSSIA

The NVA wouldn't engage US soldiers in the large scale so the us strategy was to send in a small squad of soldiers to draw the enemy into firing on them. Once that happened they'd call in for air support and napalm the living shit out of the area. This led to low morale because the soldiers were literally acting as bait and the fact that there wasn't much actually to be gained from this strategy. It was pretty brutal for our boys for that I give them as much, if not more respect out of all the veterans that fought to us. Not to diminish what the Americans did in WWII because that was a fucking meat grinder as well, but at least their own people weren't spitting on them and calling them baby killers when they came home. Cocksucking hippies.

>human wave
Why do you use such stupid myths seriously?
Human wave, do not grasp and the hillock with a machine gun.
WINS ALWAYS just Tactics, Strategy, Courage of units...
The human wave never wins.
N E V E R

such a biased view of history, americucks ftw

>when you're such great warriors that your leader has to issue an order telling you to stop surrendering by the hundreds of thousands or you'll be shot

>you can't even afford to give all your men a fucking gun.
lolwut?
You ate a Hollywood nonsense about Stalingrad?

All that would have happened if Germany and the USSR stayed at peace is the USA would end up nuking Germany as well (and probably turn them kawaii like modern Japan) and the war would end a year or two later.

I agree, just ask the Finns.

Sorry, I forgot about the French air force and navy securing the North Sea for us
Or the French paratroopers and Saipan

It would be less humiliating to admit that you used human waves. There's no other reason to lose 5x as many men as your enemies.