So tell me Sup Forums exactly why you oppose socialism?

>universal health care
>government funded schools
>low poverty rates by distribution of wealth
>government subsidies for companies in need
>workers owning capital and the means of production rather than moneyhungry capitalists
Looks like the ideal society to me desu.
>muh it doesn't work argument
Look at the Scandinavian countries like Denmark and see for yourself
>inb4 posting non-socialist shitholes like Venezuela and Cuba
Not an argument

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>Look at the Scandinavian countries like Denmark and see for yourself
We aren't socialists dipshit

Nips used to be good posters. What happened to you?

I'm just being curious

>So tell me Sup Forums exactly why you oppose socialism?

Do you really want to give the state the authority to arbitrarily seize your property to reallocate it to their friends?

>Nips used to be good posters. What happened to you?

You think JIDF has Japanese proxies or something?

Respect for personal property is one of the fundamental pillars of a free society

That is not how it works tho. It's not like some government agent comes to your house one day and take some of your stuff.

Forced sharing is theft

It sounds good in theory to some people, however
>it's impossible to be implemented without fucking over many people
>true socialism has never been successful and is unachievable
>Everybody doesn't have the same work ethic
I could keep going

Bury it deep yamaguchi

>why you oppose socialism
I go through a lot of toilet paper.

This.

Taxation is too but no one says it is theft huh. Giving up something is sometimes necessary for society to work.

Denmark and other European countries are not an example of "socialism". They are democratic socialist countries. It's very different than actual socialism like USSR or Maoism or whatever. By your definition, almost all European country is "socialism".

>No one says taxation is theft
You don't come here often, huh

I don't oppose socialism.
I oppose communism and marxism.
National Socialism is pretty good.

USSR and china are not socialist countries tho. They were pseudo communist nations that had a totalitarian one party government (similar to nazi Germany without the race issues). Not a good comparison. Also democratic "socialism" is still a form of socialism, which is what Bernie wanted to achieve.

Because I have a job.

you still believe in something called "surplus theft"

Because you're all a bunch of psychopaths, and I'd rather steal whatever good ideas you have and give them a different name than grant space to contemptible sociopathic trash.

Because being government funded decreases the quality of those things, Canadian healthcare is poorer quality than ours. I believe that these things our overpriced but to make them free would completely decrease the quality of them. People have to wait months to obtain treatment that is usually poor. Also a system like this would be impossible to maintain on an incredibly large scale, if I remember right Sweden has roughly 1/50th of the US population

>not an argument
Socialism not working is certainly an argument
The nordic model is social democracy not socialism. And I'm not so sure you can say they've actually worked

>Looks like the ideal society to me desu.

You haven't looked at the USSR, PRC, Kampuchea, DPRK, Cuba, Venezuela, the list goes on and on and on and on.

European-style social democracy is not at all like communism, while you seem to be actively conflating the two. Social democracy is not anti-capitalist.

I don't care about poor people. I want the government to fuck off and die.
t. Former poor person

>decreases quality
I rather have something that is a bit poor in qiality rather than rotting and dying painfully because you couldnt pay the bills like the US.

OP,
Are you that stupid,
Do you even know what true socialism is,
While it is true Sweden and other such countries (cough, cough, 3rd world by 2030) are more socialist than say, America they are not really socialist, they are simply capitalist with a few socialist parts, because as anyone who knows anything (about political ideologies) knows that the USSR was probrebly one of the few true socialist states, as almost everything was owned by the government (note: the USSR was an attempt at a communist country, but ended up as a socialist monstrosity)

It doesn't work.
> muh rule of working class
Bullshit, in socialist countries all power is grasped by bureaucrats, eventually forming "nomenclature" of elite families.
This is how "rule of working class" looks like under "developed socialism": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novocherkassk_massacre
Workers are actually treated worse than under capitalism.
> "free" healthcare and education
Nothing ever is free. There are only two models: direct payment, when you yourself decide what kind of service you want, adjusting cost-quality as needed, and indirect payment, when money is extracted for you w/out your consent, and someone else decides what kind of service you will receive.
Moreover, since there's huge layer of indirection is involved, and nobody can refuse overpriced government-pushed bullshit, most of money goes to bureaucrats instead doctors/teachers, so you pay more and receive worse services.
> workers owning capital and the means of production
This is apex of shittiness of gominism/socialism.
When there is no motivation to work well, 95% of people will half-ass their work. In USSR, most of domestic-made electronics didn't even work when you bought it, you had to re-solder most of components yourself because drunkards at factory didn't do their job and nobody ever cared to check.
Not to mention that this is literally impossible. Average worker cannot even comprehend complexity of inter-organisational links, supply chains and other shit. Either such organisation falls to ruins or group of leaders emerge, who grasp all control of it and do all decision-making among their small group, while working class cattle just does as they say.

Also, source: me, living under socialist rule and experiencing it all directly.

I don't know if there is much difference between Denmark and Portugal. We both have democratic socialist countries. What I can tell you is that public services are usually dogshit compared to private ones.

How do you plan on seizing the means of production? You socialist cucks never answer this question.

>SOCIDLISM
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Simple Google Translate job would have made this not so cringe worthy.

memes asides to redistribute wealth you need to make up an arbitratry scale of values and needs to know who needs to get what.
I don't believe value is objective and I don't want anybody in charge of deciding what I need

No one is rotting and dieing painfully because of bills in western countries
Capitalism has produced the highest standards of living in the world

>Taxation is too but no one says it is theft huh
you have to go back

Then why are five of the six people in your OP picture "pseudo communists" if that's not the whackadoo ideology you're preaching tonight?

Because of the people in your picture, only three led countries, and all three of them killed millions of their own people while accomplishing nothing.

Listen to me. Lenin literally CALLED his Cheka program the Red Terror. His term. That wasn't some western neologism, they CALLED IT Terror on purpose because the point was to terrorize the people in submitting to his dictatorial rule. Mass murder on an unprecidented scale, starvation, famine, political purges.

Why would I want that. Why would I support that. I'm the sort of person they killed, I own a farm. I'm a Kulak. I don't want to die because some disgusting commie fuck doesn't understand economics. I wouldn't support it even if I were an impoverished NEET because they ALSO died, starved in the millions.

The only people who benefited from Lenin's rise to power were thieves and bank robbers like Stalin, and the fucking kikes who made up the core of the Bolshevik movement. I'm not going to be shot on my knees by some Jewish terror squad because you don't want to pay for your healthcare you fucking faggot. Whenever I hear people talking about this, I instantly realize how the Nazis rose to power on an Anti-Bolshevik Anti-Semitic platform. It's so fucking obvious that the people just didn't want to be murdered by bloodthirsty Communist kikes.

except socialism just makes everyone equally poor, because that seized money is consumed by "not true communist" governments and spent on "public works" so they can admire a statue of lenin for the 2 hours they wait in line for milk

Ok, leave aside the moral arguments for a minute. There are still the practical ones. Sure, pseudo socialist policies have worked for several decades in Scandinavia. That doesn't mean they will work here. I guess I have to say it again, despite the fact that it gets pointed out every time this topic comes up: Tiny, extremely homogenous northern European nations are not a good comparison to the US. They don't have a large, low iq, racial underclass like we do in the USA with the Blacks. Some of these countries like Sweden are importing one from the middle East and northern Africa. It is putting a huge burden on their system. They don't have the high level of military spending we; spending, i'll point out, that acts as a backstop securing European safety against conventional warfare. They aren't massive nations taking up most of the habitable land of an entire continent. They don't have huge national debt.

Furthermore, the USA doesn't have a great track record with the current social programs. There was a huge problem with government provided medical care for veterans a few years back. People died because our government didn't have it's shit together. Social security and Medicare will be insolvent in a few decades. These programs have already promised you give out huge sums of money over the next several generations but have no way to get that money. Schools are mediocre as a whole. Americans who can afford to send their kids to private schools often do so. The schools for Blacks are especially bad, which ensures that they are especially unskilled and unfit for most jobs, which contributes to the burden they place on the rest of society. There are plenty of other examples as well, but those are the big ones.

Overall, our government doesn't have a great track record with the current social programs. Adding more aspects of our lives to the mediocrity that is US government programs seems like a bad idea.

Yes it is.

>Look at the Scandinavian countries like Denmark and see for yourself
>social democracy
>same thing as socialism

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commies hijacked the word "socialism"

Im glad you found a pasta you like but stop being such a faggot

>SociaDlism
WUT
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go away r*ddit

They're capitalist with some socialist policy, retard. It only succeeds because of the hardworking Swedes. Socialist societies are fucking terrible. >Venezuela

Collectivism never works, humans are too accustomed to individualism, property is not theft, without property resources become easily neglected

Taxation is theft, you faggot.

Bernie Sanders isn't a socialist. He's a retarded social democrat that called himself a socialist. He's no different than any other progressive larper that likes to wear red.
Out of all of the people in that pic the most respectable is Stalin because he purged Jews, industrialized Russia, and furthered the interests of his nation. Lenin was a cuck and even though Marx knew about the Jewish problem, he was still a half Jew and he advocated internationalism as opposed to revolutionary nationalism.

>So tell me Sup Forums exactly why you oppose socialism?

Because I don't want to give 30%+ percent of my income to the biggest cause of unnatural death in human history maybe?

Because I can spend my own money more wisely than a group of less than worthless assholes in a city 2000 miles away?

Because I don't hate having freedom?

It only worked for Scandinavian countries because it used to be full of white people who for the post part put in about as much as they took out.

When you add shitskins that equation gets fucked to death. Just look out fucked Sweden is now thanks to the rapefugees.

Tbh you already named the reasons why I oppose it

Hasn't been tried on a larger scale without a underlying system, like the monetary/profit system, therefore hard to estimate and judge.
There isn't an ideal society, there are no final frontiers. Don't try to fix the current system. Make some mental exercises on thinking outside of the box. You need basic engineering skills to figure out something better. Plan a never-ending ship cruise as a exercise.

>people own the capital and the means of production
What does this even mean? Like it already is?

Latvia you are cool.

Social democrats like sanders advocate for mixed economy not socialism like in soviet union.

If workers own capital, then they surely own schools too, you know like government made out of workers. What does government mean to you? You always have a government, but not always made out of workers.

I'm a national socialist, but that is not (((socialism))). Anyone who votes for gibsmedats from big brother government over the survival of their own race is scum that deserves nothing but a bullet to the back of the head.

And I don't even want a centralized gibs pipeline, even if you could solve problems associated with it. I'd much rather farm my own land without any interference, while commie parasites like you rot in a ditch.

Also saged.

>Look at the Scandinavian countries like Denmark and see for yourself
Fuck off. We are not (((socialist)))

>Look at the Scandinavian countries like Denmark and see for yourself

kys

sage

You got 1 law, where it says: "you shall not kill". That's centralized.

Thanks Poland, you too

What? That is exactly what used to happen back then, you mongoloid. Not only that, but they dictated what you will work or study as, and has full power to relocate you at their leisure wherever they wanted.

Americans think that if government makes healthcare available for everybody that you are Socialism then. Even Bismarck had government provided healthcare and that was monarchy.

>democratic socialism

Is that something like 'working communist' or 'pink unicorn'?

>SOCIDLISM

You have no idea what you are asking for until you went to socialist dentist.

I don't.
I oppose everything Marxist.

socialism is rape
capitalism is consensual sex
fuck off bernie bro there's a reason he lost

Do yourself a favor and search for the Frankfurt School.

Don't try to argue about anything unless you have studied the topic.

Now fuck off.

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North Korea is Socialist and South Korea is Capitalist.
That's why I oppose it.

First of all Hitler never said that, secondly Hitler banned Christian Christmas, removed Christian themes from Christian songs and replaced them with racial nationalism.

idk dude yugoslavia was pretty damn socialist (not commie kike shit) and it was amazing during its era, hence one of the reasons why it was abolished.

Yeah shill more, kike.

Socialism is the unfair, my sister has never worked, gets everything that I have pay for free (she can work but chooses not too), because i work I get sweek shit all.

Thisthis. Like nordics are 100% free market countrys, but we still give healthcare and education for people. Its just right thing to do -the true equality. Sickens me when i see those berniebros chanting about nordic socialism. They do not know anything about us

Hitler removed Jesus from Christmas, because Jesus was a Jew.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_controversies
>in Nazi Germany, "because Nazi ideologues saw organized religion as an enemy of the totalitarian state, propagandists sought to deemphasize—or eliminate altogether—the Christian aspects of the holiday" and as a result "propagandists tirelessly promoted numerous Nazified Christmas songs, which replaced Christian themes with the regime's racial ideologies.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_in_Nazi_Germany
>The Jewish origins of Jesus and the commemoration of his birth as the Jewish Messiah was troubling for Nazi racial beliefs. Between 1933 and 1945, government officials attempted to remove these aspects of Christmas from civil celebrations and concentrate on the pre-Christian aspects of the festival.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Evangelical_Church
>was a unified state church of some German Protestant regional churches that espoused a single doctrine compatible with National Socialism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus#Origins
>Pre-modern representations of the gift-giver from Church history and folklore, notably St Nicholas (known in Dutch as Sinterklaas), merged with the English character Father Christmas to create the character known to Americans and the rest of the English-speaking world as "Santa Claus" (a phonetic derivation of "Sinterklaas").

Before Santa Claus you had a wizard of forest, a Pagan tradition.

>we have universal healthcare, it sucks. Became totally useless once the money dry out
>government has funded schools since over 100 years ago. Once we're god-tier college became trash after the “revolution"
>our poverty rates are low because the mid class became poor and now what was once poverty are starving people.
>workers will never own shit you dipshit. Legally SOMEONE has to own industry and that someone on left it will always be there government itself, so the money goes for them

we are socialist, and the living proof it didn't work. Now leave and proceed to commit Seppuku, you small-yellow dickhead

You may as well be faggot

>wikijudea

Gas yourself

no it's socialism 2.0: Electronic boogaloo, it doesn't seek to become full on communism, just to ruin capitalism

>everything I don't like are Jewish sources
Kek

David franks and aaron lopez have both been totally censored.

Surprised they still list Leon Trotsky as a jew, bragging perhaps.

Socialism is theft. It's immoral.

>Government funded schools

What could go wrong!

Jesus, you are literally mentally retarded.

Only when Jews do it.

>Canadian healthcare is poorer quality than ours
Virtually every study I've seen contradicts this.

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>"Socidlism"

this is why nobody takes you retarded commies seriously

>spreading the wealth back into the pockets and bank accounts of Jewish bankers since 1917
>"That's not real communism, it'll be real communism when I do it, trust me goy!" - Shlomo Shekelstein, ComIntern Party Chair

>muh communism

>x is theft
Then why are you living in a country that steals money from its citizens in the form of taxation?

>Spreading the Wealth
L0Lno fgt pls

English teachers

It doesn't work!!!
Proof pic: related