Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
>socialism thrives by avoiding any real definition society ruled by the workers
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Jonathan Cook
>society ruled by the workers Yes, because that's a clear and non-vague definition of socialism.
Have you considered the possibility that your view of the world as someone bellow 20yo is not as sharp and correct as you think? Perhaps the framework of economics your mindset uses was already debunked 100 years ago. If only you could read more than 3 books.
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Luis Sanchez
Actually it is you who are cuck, if you can't keep your woman in free society for yourself, you commie shit.
Jonathan Butler
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Jonathan Russell
Slaves are property, middle age peasants were free to leave whenever they wanted(pro-tip:leaving was suicide) and modern day commies still have the option of moving to glorious communist utopias, such as Cuba, North Korea and China They CHOOSE not to do it and so they cannot complain
Levi Hughes
>libertarians are less emotional and impulsive!! >their moral axioms are too well defined!! >this proves they are bad!! KEK.
Have you figured out how to magically run a society where valuing resources is illegal, you demented marxist? Maybe next time your movement won't just cause senseless destruction; maybe pragmatic and less emotional people have a better perception of a reality than you, could that be?
Aiden Myers
Even if you fags win your still going to die go back to your college dorm room you fucking pussy.
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Oliver Davis
>Literally everything that is bad is caused by capitalism! >Socialist system starving people to death is not the fault of marxism! Maybe that's why society should trust psychopaths and autists more than nihilistic, emotional, impulsive commies; who believe they can rewrite history and logic itself and that false information and propaganda are justified.
Jack Smith
Class is not real. Marx was an intellectual dwarf who could not debunk egoism.
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Elijah Cook
Hello cucks. This general is for the discussion of Cuckoldry, the ideology of revolutionary open relationships and sexual desire.
Cuckoldry is the next stage of relationship following the monogamy.
What exactly is cuckoldry according to cucks:
>Cuckoldry is a stage of relationship in which the reproductive means of the wife are bull-owned, and husband gets to bed not in order to have sex with her but to prep the bull. >Cuckoldry in it's full form is a pleasurably degrading, bull-worshipping relationship that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a relationship cuckoldry teaches us that we must replace the standrad marrige, which is controlled by the husband and a wife, by a cucked relationship, which is controlled by the bull. Then, a period of prepping follows in which the bull is pleasured by the cuck. When the bull class has been prepped, there will be time for wife to get mounted by the bull, and eventually the functions of the husband will become indistinguishable from the functions of a porn shot fluffer, and his genitalia will 'wither away' as Marx said.
I don't have any websites but i'm pretty sure OP can help me with that.
Landon Lopez
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
Mason Robinson
yo KANGZ an KWEENZ. Dis general iz for da takin of da past of BLACK MELANOID MAN
Back in da day WE WUZ KANGZ we travel da stars and oda planetz in our space MELANOID ships an shiet.
Woke thingz u need to now to be WOKE
>Dr. Seuss, dat cracka with da rhymes iz da prophet of Satan >Honkeys wuz made by black science manz as soldiers for fightin our wars for us. But dey rebeled. But ANCIENT BLACK MELANID MAN was wise an shiet and gave honkeys tiny dicks so honkey bitches will allways prefere a nigga. >Rapture will be raptors (like dem dinosaurs) fallin from da sky and eating honkeys. >Star Wars an Predator? Tottaly happened. Stay Woke. >Da Earth is eampty inside an shiet. >Aborted babies don't be dyin. They are flushed down da toilet an live in da sewers. >Honkeys drink ya blood.
>This is now a right libertarian bread Post snek, use mcgas™ to gas the goymmie, helicopter porn welcome!
Nathaniel Powell
Can egoism be debunked?
Oliver Butler
How's Venezuela doing???
Justin Myers
God , i hate niggers.
Cooper Thompson
CENTRAL BANK PLANNING MONEY, calling it capitalism.
Anthony Anderson
>give me your redpills /leftypol/ Specifically, the work you do is always worth more than what you are paid, because the capitalist can sell whatever it is you produce for more than you were paid in wages. The productive forces of our society are controlled by a tiny elite instead of by the people, so what ends up happening is that millions of proles sweat their lives away while the porky bastards windsurf in Hawaii. To put it in terms you might be more familiar with, capitalists are the ultimate welfare queens. >my stance on hatred of jews and niggers will never change. To say that your position on any topic will never change is to declare yourself to be beyond reason. That said, those "jews" and "evil niggers" are your natural allies regardless of what you think about them, because they are being exploited just like you are. The leftist position on racism is as much about pragmatism as it is about a commitment to equality.
The basic gist is that capitalism is inherintly broken. Companies want to make as much money as possible which means paying works the smallest amount possible. Eventually workers can't afford to buy things, meaning the whole system collapses. Currently with automation we are going to see a huge loss of jobs that will make the concept of full employment obsolete - so who is going to buy things? Communism isn't some grand fucking conspiracy about race or western civilization - its just a question of economics.
Josiah Nguyen
CENTRAL BANK PLANNING MONEY, calling it capitalism.
Juan Cruz
>Accept Jews goyim Shlomo you are getting desperate. You won't destroy my country for the second time with your goymmunism that's for sure!
Jacob James
> the work you do is always worth more than what you are paid
True, true. But that is because there is more and more money and your wage cant keep with the money being printed
Josiah Lopez
Sounds like Jewish trickery to me.
Ryan Reed
God I can't wait to kill you fucking faggots in the streets
Carter Reed
>Please believe me when I claim that Jews, who are mostly merchants and shopkeepers, for some reason support violent anti-capitalism
Nice try Shlomo
Brandon Lopez
> the work you do is always worth more than what you are paid Then why don't you just self employ yourself >but then you would get a lower wage So, working alongside the investments of other people increases your productivity, and you claim you deserve the returns from the investments you never made?
Why does the worker deserves the returns from the investments he never made? Do you not realize that the investments would neve have gotten done in the first place if someone could not profit form it? Meaning, everyone would be making less money including the workers.
>To say that your position on any topic will never change is to declare yourself to be beyond reason. Will your stance on communism ever change? Or are you beyond reason, comrade?
Mason Hughes
So far, nothing can debunk the individual when he recognizes what is his.
Carter Perez
>ancaps HAHAHAHA
Brandon Phillips
can you just go back to your deadchan?
Jose Butler
Basically the only difference between Stirner and Rand is the fact that people who read Stirner believe in a 100 yo debunked economic framework.
No, you absolute fucking moron, the workers stealing investments and destroying their economy is not their best interest. And no, the economy is not a spook, it is something that exists and that is verifiable.
The irony here is that you talk about how Stirner is smarter than Marx, yet you are too much of an ignorant fuck to realize Stirner utilizes the marxist economic framework and its dogmatic definition of labor and value.
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Mason Reyes
>destroying your economy is your best interest >living in a society where people disrespect each other is your best interest >having no values and morals is your best interest Basically, Stinerettes utilize their own stupidity as arguments.
Justin Nguyen
>economy exists and is verfiable But that's incorrect. The economy is based on the market, which is both a "concept" and an organization of people that prescribe values to objects. It is both the "concept" and the "value" aspects of an economy that render it a spook. An object only has value if I value it, and thus the valuations made by other people are artificial. >ignorant fuck to realize Stirner utilizes the marxist economic framework and its dogmatic definition of labor and value. Stirner criticized both the right-wing and left-wing economic definitions, the right-wing obviously first and the left-wing by debunking the empty concepts that leftists proposed. He was defined as "post-left" in a sense. >all that r*ddit spacing
Austin Evans
>the economy would be destroyed if it stopped taking advantage of individuals Really makes you think >living in a society where people disrespect each other is your best interest Why do you think individuals would inherently disrespect each other? Society would be improved by becoming a larger union of egoists. >having no values and morals is your best interest This is where the "spooked cuck" completely loses his credibility. Egoists want individuals to rule over concepts, not concepts to rule over individuals. You are controlled by spooks, possessed in a sense.
Bentley James
As my parrents were fucking communists and didnt leave me nothining, it is in my self-interest to work for my boss until I have enought money to start something on my own. Whats your point little imbecile?
Elijah Ward
Notice how you couldn't directly engage with jack shit of what I typed. Tell me you bumbling idiot: you go and steal from voluntary enterprises; now, how do you benefit from this new society where investments are impossible to be made? Seems like a world of no economic growth nor progress wouldn't be very pleasant for a rat-like stinerette. Oh, wait, that's right, you convince yourself that the economy is just an abstract concept, and that you don't need massive investments of physical labor and wealth coming from other people to get extra wealth yourself. Your own idiocy validates itself.
Maybe we could do like this: let's look at what happens to a place where the workplace boss cannot actually invest in the workplace, let's see if the average worker gains or loses from this. Oh wait, everything is a spook, right? We can't actually look at the objective loss of quality of living and treat this is something factual. Because the value just comes from people's heads, meaning, now that they have to work harder to get less value, that's just an abstract feeling of regression, not anything real.
>>ignorant fuck to realize Stirner utilizes the marxist economic framework and its dogmatic definition of labor and value. >Stirner criticized both the right-wing and left-wing economic definitions[...] No, you idiot, Stirner utilizes the marxist framework of economics that states all labor is only manual and physical and that wealth only comes from the low skilled labor and thus destroying investments and the capital market can benefit the individual. What you do when you are ignorant is, you shut the fuck up and you listen. Don't try to pretend like you have an even ground discussing these things when you are this much of a layman.
Robert Barnes
Nothing in egoism states you cannot work for someone, it merely provides the notion that the individual should not be manipulated by spooks. You are forgoing thinking of and for yourself in favor of submitting to your boss. It's also worth mentioning that there are other ways to make money that do not involve working under a boss. Furthermore, the concept of private property (existing under capitalism) is a spook.
Josiah Clark
>Why do you think individuals would inherently disrespect each other? Society would be improved by becoming a larger union of egoists. Yes, because respecting the individuality of others and their private property just like we do in the real world is not compatible with individualism; but in individualist anarchism society would form a collectivist union of egoists where they would all magically respect each other. /s
Stinerettes are just as delusional an nonsensical as any communist.
>Egoists want individuals to rule over concepts, not concepts to rule over individuals Just like individuals protect their private property and private property rights? Or how individuals protect their investments and enterprises? Oh no, wait, that doesn't apply, because that's not in line with the marxist framework of economics and value of Stirner.
Jace Cook
> the concept of private property (existing under capitalism) is a spook.
Get of your drugs little commie bastard.
1973 = end of gold standard = end of capitalism
Brandon Wood
always the same spanish guy ffs dude stop noone wants you here i felt sorry for you for the moment but than i realised that you are commie
Austin Scott
>Nothing in egoism states you cannot work for someone Nice job backpedaling everything you fucking cuck. Because as far as I'm concerned, Stirner was a marxist who claimed stealing from your workplace would be the best interest of individuals. Why would I work for someone? What do I gain from respecting the private property of others? You faggot.
>It's also worth mentioning that there are other ways to make money that do not involve working under a boss Yes, except that means not working with the investments of the boss and means having to make investments and take risk myself. And typically the boss offers a higher wage than self employment because otherwise that specific labor industry would be governed by self employment.
But what am I even trying to argue here, right? Making a society where investments are impossible is your best interest, even though working on the investments of others brings you immense benefits. After all, value itself is a spook, the act of valuing resources and desire more wealth is just a construct of your mind.
Daniel James
Lol faggot
Grayson Powell
>steal from voluntary enterprises >implying a truly voluntary enterprise owns what can be stolen What exactly is being "stolen" in this crazy world you are scared of? >literally explain how the economy is an abstract concept >everything is a spook, right? t. didn't read stirner Only abstract concepts such as nationalism, religion, and class are spooks. There can be objectivity in an egoist's world, but the willful egoist is not beholden to any outside pressure. >all labor is only manual and physical Most labor is, but of course there is a "thinking" element to the management of labor. >Because the value just comes from people's heads, meaning, now that they have to work harder to get less value, that's just an abstract feeling of regression, not anything real. Where exactly does value come from, then? It is inherently subjective. >all this ad hominem And I thought Marx was a crybaby... >respecting their private property >this guy probably thinks the term "private property" refers to his house, clothes, and personal items >individuals protect their private property rights Private property in the leftist sense does not refer to physical personal items or currency-based organizations, it refers to a social relationship in which the property owner takes possession of anything that another person or group produces with that property. >1973 was the end of capitalism Nice try sweetie, try the 1910s when President Wilson created the federal reserve. US currency stopped being worth anything at that time, hence the creation of credit and the decadence of the 1920s, and then the Depression in the 1930s.
Blake Reed
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Blake Murphy
>backpedalling Nothing was backpedalled. Identifying and refusing to be controlled by concepts does not mean an egoist has to live an anarchotribalist life in the woods. >Because as far as I'm concerned, Stirner was a marxist Yes, as far as you are a concerned you have no idea what you're talking about. >except that means not working with the investments of the boss and means having to make investments and take risk myself. And typically the boss offers a higher wage than self employment because otherwise that specific labor industry would be governed by self employment. Wow, doing things differently means the way you do things is different? What a shocker. >After all, value itself is a spook, the act of valuing resources and desire more wealth is just a construct of your mind. What you just said is true, but I think it just flew over your head as much as it flew out of your mind.
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Nicholas Moore
Marx was a fat neck beard jew who lived in someone else mamas basement writing political philosophy that basically stated he had a right to other peoples stuff who worked for it.
Blake Bennett
Notice how indirect and deflect your post is. What a fucking train wreck. >a society where investments are impossible being beneficial to the individual >economic value is just a spook created in your mind; but you still want to work to maximize the economic value you have >private property on the leftist side means something completely arbitrary; aka, what we think you deserve, like a house, toothbrush, and clothes; but private property in the current free societies are a spook concept
So, again, you go, you steal the investments of others, and you make investments impossible to be made, you destroy the economy along with your buddies; what now? How do you benefit from destroying your local economy? Now there will be no higher wage offers for you. No more investments, no more new employment, which would eventually lead to systematic unemployment and probably the starvation of the main bulk of the population. How do you benefit from that?
And of course, the guy you stole from will not pick up a gun and try to murder you for stealing his life of work, after all, private property only exists because of the police, that's what /leftypol/ told me.
It's also worth noting that your lower IQ becomes evident on how unfunny and bad your memes are: >lulz, le funny leddit meme format >everything in a meme is hilarious xD >stierner on a skateboard spraying the gadsdenflag!! xDD
Xavier Wright
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Luke Ortiz
Can you explain to me how a society where investments are impossible would benefit me? Why are you dodging this direct question so damn hard? Could it be because: >1 it proves the retarded Stinerette logic obtusely wrong >2 it proves Stirner utilized the marxian framework Turns out you can just pretend to be right by avoiding all reasoning that would lead to the conclusion that you are wrong. Your are just in a silly pursuit to avoid cognitive dissonance. You paint yourself as a hardcore logician, who only cares about absolute truth; so when someone points out how absurdly wrong you are it must hit you really hard.
Joseph James
>no actual response to what I've stated >getting actually mad at memes t. brainlet >investments impossible Stirner wasn't a marxist, he was his own thing. The closest economic school of thought I can compare him to would be mutualism. Keep strawmanning, though.
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Cameron Russell
Can you answer my question? How is making a society where investments are impossible your best interest? How is stealing from the workplace my best interest? How is disrespecting private property and destroying the economy my best interest? You are avoiding very simple questions so damn hard, this is getting really, really pathetic.
I can imagine how much it must suck to be a Stirnerette. Someone who brags about only caring about logic yet being so logically wrong. It's like that 15 yo kid we all knew, who identifies himself as a guitarist, and is always bragging with his friends about being a musician, until one day he finds out that the nerdy girl in his class can play the guitar better than him, and that almost anyone can get on his level in 1 week of practice.
