ITT: realistic, achievable and reasonable things we as nations can do to fight Islamic terrorism.
No "kill all muslim", "ban Islam as a whole" or other simplistic shit that will never happen or is obviously a human rights violation. Also, no shit that would break the bank. We brainstorm on things that could actually get support within legitimate democratic institutions. Bonus points if it doesn't infringe on privacy and rights of everyone. I'll start:
>require that all funding of mosques, congregations, religious activities etc. is transparent >outlaw hidden funding and accepting funds from nations or entities that don't respect humans rights >no public funding of anything Islamic >the US and the EU should impose hard sanctions and full boycott of Saudi-Arabia and Qatar for funding and spreading Wahhabism >track down, round up and deport everyone who has had their asylum application rejected (this would have prevented the Stockholm attack) >obviously less immigration, more restrictions, but avoid total bans >put any mosque or congregation inciting hatred under full surveillance >clean up European ghettos: start by significantly upping police presence in Muslim dominated neighborhoods >of course, more police funding >long term: clean those parts up through gentrification, force them to spread thin, price the scum out of the market >evict anyone who lives in public housing if they incite hatred or take part in any extremist activities. Cut their social security and other gibs too. >Max quotas on the % of foreigners in a public school >put restrictions on Islamic private schools >instead of massive surveillance programs and "internet regulation", focus surveillance efforts and infiltration in areas where extremism obviously is thriving or could begin to fester. Should be easy enough in France, Britain and Belgium at least >simply start enforcing immigration laws that are already there. If Sweden simply enforced their own laws, they'd get a lot done
We need to get "normal" and "moderate" Muslims off their asses. They have been doing too little too long. Not sure how we would do that in an efficient and constructive way, though. Incentives?
Jackson Bennett
The no secret/extreme funding is a pretty good one. Norwegian justice department is drafting a bill like that.
Also, Qatar is funding the largest mosque in Scandinavia in Malmo and the Swedish press has been ignoring it. Only one local paper did some digging. It's been in every Norwegian media, but the Swedes don't even protest.
Bentley Robinson
What will work. Ban Islam
What will not. Everything else.
>human rights violation No such thing outside US. Pretty sure your country Constitution like every other Constitutions (minus US) essentially grants government unlimited powers.
Austin Allen
ban islam. It's that simple. Nothing of value will be lost. The practice human sacrifice, for pete's sake.
Evan Ross
Muhammad wisely laid down the system that counters any attempts of jews to countrol Muslim money.
Also, you have the second largest Muslim population in Europe, if Russia and Turkey is counted as European.
Mason Ramirez
Start showing them some of the classics. We could have listening groups where we play them some Miles Davis and 'Trane. Good grief, the thought of all those cute Muslims being entwined in the spell of the coolest musical cats we can offer is making my heart burst with joy.
Evan Gonzalez
I wouldn't count Turkey as European.
Justin Smith
In case of a terrorist getting killed during an attack, sentence the entire family for life, usually 15 years in Europe. Extend that to sisters and uncles, minors and infants will be released for adoption. Seize their property and all bank accounts.
They might think twice when the family won't recieve their ISIS pensions.
Anthony Hall
You can't "stop" the immigration problem, yet you can control it. More than 90% of muslims coming in Europe are economic migrants (most of them are men). You don't want them? You only have to become less convenient. No public funding to foreign families, as few mosques as possibles (harsh attitude towards non-authorized ones), no religious holydays for muslims, cleaning up "ghettos", forcing them to spread "thin". And the most important, NEVER allow Arab to be taught in any school, no matter what. Make them lose their identities, use their poor education to indoctrinate them into over-zealous citizen. As long as they stay under 2-3%, it becomes easy to integrate them, expecially for mediterranean country. Only problem? 99% of economic migrants will go where there are no such restriction, so country like France-Germany and Sweden are fucked.
Julian Richardson
Me neither desu. Just wanted to illustrate to Vlad that Russia has a much larger Muslim population than any proper European country.
Zachary Ortiz
there are no normal muslims
Gavin Brown
Deport and jail their families. Grandparents, grandchildren, first cousins and everyone in between.
Owen Long
Obvious human rights violation and unconstitutional in most Western countries.
Connor Rodriguez
Without repeating what's already been said: >surveillance in mosques >immediately try each and every person on the terror watch lists >cut funding completely for Muslim amenities and programs and use the money to build special prisons with armed guards and only the basics, with the sole purpose of pushing them to suicide
Obviously I'd be a lot harsher, and would realistically want a Duterte-style sweep of the country, but swapping druggies for muzzies, but it won't happen for a while.
Grayson Ward
A total ban is not practical, it is not possible to enforce, it would be expensive as fuck to even try and it's not realistic at all. You would also be giving ISIS just what they want. I don't want us to become like Islamic countries that ban Christianity.
Evan Morales
As by your laws and constitution of today, probably nothing meaningful. You already know who is the radicalized elements, what mosque they frequent,what imams preach the jihadist ideology and such and yet do nothing, the only hope is that of an reformation inside islam and ending the conflict in Syria and fixing Libya as fast as you can.
Asher Smith
>ban Islam That would do it but since you asked, arm and train your citizenry as heavily as they are comfortable with on an individual basis. If this means some with full auto M4s and some with nothing then that's that. Encourage them to open carry and mandate(like jury duty) that they train 2-3 times a year. Don't mandate any of this against Islam either. There's plenty of everyone else doing fucked up shit that it's justified across the board.
Elijah Wilson
I guess you can count Russia as European, which probably makes them the most cucked European nation.
Jose Bell
isis wants you dead. gtfo you cuck.
Xavier Powell
Fund extra English lessons for their women, segregate them but make sure an old school dyke does the teaching Stop paying child benefit. Close Islamic schools after each shit inspection. Have more inspections. Bus mudslimes kids around so they don't all go to school together Give financial rewards for tips against terrorists
Owen Flores
D E F U N D E F U N D
Islam; refund the mosques, no money towards that shitreligion
Juan Scott
And to even go further contract up with a couple arms manufacturers so that the govt can offer "gummit guns" at ridiculously low prices. Like $200 ARs and semi auto double stack handguns. Maybe police trade ins. Then the majority can arm up and train against the common threat of fanatical violence regardless of their socioeconomic status.
Luis Collins
Simply Stop Bombing them, give them hope not fear and they will stop wanting to die and takeing ther enemys with them.
Isaac Sanchez
America doesn't have an Islam problem, Europe does.
Has there been a single legitimate terrorist attack since trump became president? We're off the hook for the next few years.
Cameron Cruz
>What I'd rather do: Brick through every halal takeaway Molotov their houses Throw coins/nails out of car windows at hijabi bitches Get the whole country boycotting their food (they don't have any other industry here) Get people boycotting their taxis Campaign of hate to wear them down so they leave
Ian Anderson
>respecting the """human""" rights of the animals that want to exterminate you and rape your family Western civilization has become too soft and deserves to die. Unless they wake the fuck up.
Isaiah Evans
now we have to bomb them more. glass the whole region.
Jeremiah Wood
How about giving suspected extremists "restraining orders" against their local mosque or Muslim dominated areas? They would be banned from contacting any member or coming near the mosque. Breaking it = straight to jail.
This would apply to people under investigation for shit that could be terror related but there is not enough evidence for an arrest.
Levi Garcia
Only real true solution is to deport every imam and sandnigger who take part in the jihad parades with the isis flags.. and close your fucking borders
Alexander Adams
I don't see countries like Sweden bombing them, yet they got all the rape and that truck of peace.
Colton Cox
Moderate muslims just go "look, I don't approve of your assault trucking, but if they made a cartoon of our beloved child rapist goat shagging prophet then they probably had it coming". They're useless.
Tyler Ross
We need the Holocaust 2™: The Last Crusade: Special Edition to happen fast.
Adam Wilson
Sanctioning Saudi Arabia is about as realistic as deporting all muslims you mong
Isaiah Ramirez
They also want 90 % of other Muslims dead.
James Rodriguez
can't tell if that 9gag watermark is there as a joke or unironically. either way its funny as shit
Easton Thompson
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Blake Butler
>Kill all muslims >a human rights violation
implying hard as fuck Muslims are human.
Eli Hall
One of the feasible solutions is to stop giving so much free shit and benefits to refugees and immigrants. If I went to France, Germany, Canada, etc. I'd be sleeping on the streets within a few days, begging for money, if they even let me in that is. Make life as a refugee/migrant difficult, like it is to every other non-muslim foreigner. Why are these countries giving so many benefits to people who do nothing to earn them?
Juan Stewart
Singapore is pretty hardcore with them but even they dont manage to tame them 100%
Brayden Perez
Why? They are not the only ones who have oil. Also, oil ain't worth shit these days. And guess who's fault that is?
What do you know, it's Saudi Fucking Arabia's fault.
It's almost as if the biggest exporter of Wahhabism screwed us over on purpose by flooding the market. There is no reason that we should be friends or trade with those """people""".
Noah Murphy
No they want those muslims to be scared and submit. Solution might to be scarier then ISIS.
Leo Martin
Nice strawman, fucking spic.
Carson Collins
So are you the "part and parcel" or the "if you kill your enemies, they win" type? >d-don't insult their religion or they will become terrorists! Cucked eurofaggot waiting for the mudslime dick
Noah Fisher
A. Let it get worse B. Kill all Muslims >Moderate Muslims Some want you to pay jizya and for your daughter and wife to wear a hijab
The vast majority want to kill all infidels and for their new wife (your wife) to wear a burka
The only solution is for the West to give them their holy war.
Grayson Miller
Germany isn't Bombing too, but we are helping very good to kill.
That canges noting of my point.
Juan Stewart
I never said "don't insult". It's part of ISIS' strategy to make the West do stuff that makes Muslims hate us. Banning Islam would be such a thing.
Islam should be mocked, insulted, made fun of and criticized.
Jihadism does not stem from the mean old whitey, but if we pull extreme shit we play into their hand and create an envoriment were anti-western sentiment could thrive.
Oliver Stewart
Just make it possible to write guns, ammo, and body armor off on your taxes up to a certain percentage of taxable income. Pretty much a modern form of "assize of arms" where depending on tax bracket your average citizen would have a rifle, sidearm, body armor, etc.
Kayden Bennett
hang yourself
Henry Scott
>defending yourself is exactly what the terrorists want
They're already slaughtering you dumbass. Who gives a shit what they want?
Nicholas Lewis
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Matthew Hernandez
>Draw Muhammad >Get gunned down in your office T. Frogs
Muslims consider "mocking, insulting, making fun of, or criticizing" their Sumerian death cult to be punishable by death "Moderate Muslims" understand why NORMAL MUSLIMS PRACTICING THE BASIC TENETS OF THEIR RELIGION want to kill you for doing so.
Ban Islam: Ban Islamic immigration Deport all non citizens Strongly urge Muslim citizens to leave Ban the creation or foreign funding of mosques Ban the call to prayer and prayer towers Ban Islamic schools and arrest anyone who creates, works for, or sends their children to one.
Kevin Perez
Is simply expatriating them and banning their immigration really that unattainable?
The deportation process would be expensive but worthwhile.
How many more attacks will it take?
Angel Morris
>Using fear in base of individual judgement And your individual judgement as a post nationalist atheist society is to import millions of fundamentalist 8th century level foreigners each year and imprison anyone with an "individual judgement" that questions the destruction of your nation.
Wake up Hans >It's the Reich time
Carter Wright
> trying to appease an abuser and bully by being nice and playing by the rules
go ask all the abused women about how that's working out for them.
it's the same situation with religion.
the way you solve it is to hit it until it breaks and don't stop until it's fucking mud beneath your heel.
Jonathan Russell
>mass demonstations >violent mass demonstrations >occupation of critical real estate/parks in front of government institutions >more violence, precipitated by rebels' side if necessary to "strengthen resolve" of protesters >delegitimize govt. to show they are against the people >formation of roadblocks and the staking off of turf that old government can no longer enter >wholesale violence >a final battle in which the old government runs from its capital >victory for rebels >mass execution of old regime, making no way to turn back situation ever >elections one month later to consolidate and legitimize new government Basically what the CIA has done dozens of times
Sebastian Young
Apart from killing all muslims we need to revive western culture and push cultural supremacy. Honestly don't blame muslims etc for living in ghettos because pic related. Westerners drink, puke and pass out in the streets, old hags sing about dick, art is shit, families are fucked up, etc etc and all we talk about is gay slut tranny bathroom rights. Obviously our traditional culture and values are superior (that's why they're coming to our countries and we're fleeing from their ghettos) but DATS RAYSIST or whatever bullshit.
So not only put an end to islamification of the west, start westernising muslims in the west. And westernise the rest of the world.
John Smith
Basically this. The more you can show that a government is illegitimate and can't protect them, the less power they can hold onto. Terrorism is a fantastic tool for that.
If anything the Islamists are showing that Europe is a nanny state ruled by toothless and childless old women. It's creating an opportunity to overthrow them.
Cooper Diaz
highest tier universially correct response : Op, ppl that dont respect human rights, do not deserve human rights ( muslims, politicians, women ).
Brayden Bailey
Trump already called it: Summarily execute their families.
It's not particularly fair, but how else can you coerce someone who doesn't give a shit about their own life? Generally the families of suicide bombers and jihadis are taken care of by the Islamic community.
Knowing that their mother, father, wife, and children would be dragged from their houses into the street and shot like stray dogs would surely make them think twice about tolerance trucking anyone.
I think it's more democratic than more surveillance state measures desu.
Bentley Diaz
>get "normal" and "moderate" Muslims off their asses >ISIS' strategy to make the West do stuff that makes Muslims hate us If the west is full of """moderate""" muslims who are one step away from joining isis that's a huge problem and we absolutely should be islamophobic as fuck in response to any anti-westernness. Westernised muslims will reform and the moderates can join isis and be deported or shot. And just because they want a war doesn't mean we shouldn't give them one. They're religious fanatics not military strategists, we'd win. >human rights violation I have a right to not be decapitated or blown up by terrorists, the government has a responsibility to secure that right. Admitting that muslims are human and have rights to religious freedom and privacy doesn't mean we can't take reasonable measures to prevent attacks. Close mosques, impose curfews, search homes.
Levi Young
Name me the terrorists that had their children killed by bombs?
Ryder Thompson
the parents of suicide bombers, obiously.
Carson Ramirez
Ban Halal meet and circumcision. Ban Islamic clothing and veils.
Caleb Gomez
For aus its easy. Deport every cunt that catches a boat from indonesia to aus back to their shothole because Indonesia isnt a unsafe place for a musilm to live.
Also tax all religeon Ban building of all mosques churches etc, all current ones become comunity halls. Deport any cunt whos forst wave imigrant and comits any significcant crime (assualt, not speeding etc) No centerlink or pension to any first gen immigrant or their senpai - must work to support self even if its in govt supplied job. Pay seiks or other bearded arabs to investigate muftis etc and deport/incarcerate a bunch of them. Ban the living fuck out of the sharia law organisations + deport anyone leading or organising tnem back to sharia countries.
Joshua Cruz
Jews are the terrorists.
Muslims must be violently removed.
/thread
Elijah Moore
They're shitty people by nature and if some western powers weren't bombing them they'd still be up to their shitty antics like trying to take our homelands by outbreeding us and they'd still be harassing and raping women but probably less a threat of terrorism.
Jose Cox
make mosques 18+ up religious/ethics classes before that
Luis Wood
The blueprint for beating an enemy that doesn't fear death and is willing to fight to the last man was designed and successfully applied in WW2 against the Japanese. The basic principal was collective punishment in the form of mass indiscrimate killing of civilians. I know it's not in the spirit of the OP's post, but it's the only remedy that has historical success. We bombed the Japanese into peacefulness, they completely discarded their fanaticism in one day.
Michael Anderson
This, but nobody wants to hear it.
Muslims were a beaten enemy for 400 fucking years until America, Israel (a little) and Britain decided the middle east belonged to them and their Saudi allies.
Jacob Reed
>no ban all muslims Then there is no stopping it.
It will never end. As long as they are in your country they will breed. It will NEVER stop. The enemy is living in your country and overtaking it as we speak. This is the reality.
Hunter Cruz
>Oil >Money >Fucking shit up for Money.
Nicholas Thomas
If you have muslims, you will have terrorism. You can minimize it, but you can't stop it without addressing the problem - muslims.
Jonathan Kelly
The problem is if you don't just take out this group, then the country would go into total lockdown/1984/brazil movie level shit.
But if you kill off muslims, then that would make whoever go for other religions or quirks.
Both ways wins for the Elites. So my only idea is kill the Elites.
Austin Johnson
there is only one way islam is designed to convert or kill that IS the message
Ryan Ward
>moderate Muslims
What moderate Muslims?
Parker Jenkins
>kill it with atomic fire
YES!YES!.jpg
Julian Myers
mkkk less simplistic, not posible, usually the simplest explanation is the correct one, kill them with bombs , poison their wells.
Bentley Ramirez
>> The opening salvos of a soft-invasion insurgency are happening right now. Birth rates are down, a trendy and spinelessly sluggish culture is dominant. The idea of a win-win situation as is prevalent in western culture is not a thing in the modern muslim continent. They view business, political and social dealings as win-lose and they'll push while europe appeases and theyll keep pushing until they win. They also have no problem of fucking you while youre down. One of the main tenets within the Hadith and Qur'an is Jihad and it has only ever been temporarily made idle by overwhelming force and bloodshed. It is not simply a new phenomenon and that idea is the height of vanity. Europe is not ready to kill its way to peace. Europe is cucked and soon to be fucked.
Camden Fisher
>>islam is a religion of laymen. It has no hierarchy, no clergy, no sacraments. There are only groups of Muslims of varying size who agree on what Islam and most especially what Islamic religious law (sharia) is. This process of forming consensus (ijma') groups is endless and inevitable. Some will say that Shia Islam has a hierarchy. It does not.In fact, The howza ("college" of Shia scholars) is merely another expression of consensus, in this case of consensus among scholars "elected" by acclamation from among their fellows. The "authority" created by such acclamation is fleeting as each man's opinions are automatically disregarded after his death. Much the same thing is true of the great Ulema (scholars) of Sunni Islam.
Therefore, for one group of Muslims, however large, to say that the consensus of some other group of Muslims is invalid or "un-Islamic" is merely vanity on a grand scale.
Wyatt Harris
It seems like the overwhelming majority of these attacks in western countries are carried out by people who were already 'known to counter-terrorism police' or even out on bail for terrorism/violence related offenses.
I think we need to start with having a zero tolerance for conspiring to commit acts of terrorism. It shouldn't matter if they're a 'low risk'. Somebody with a 'low risk' of committing terrorism is a huge risk to the safety of everyday people.
Previous western governments have had far less tolerance for enemy agents. Why are we only casually watching people who are planning to slaughter civilians?
Adrian Adams
ban halal slaughter ban circumcision ban islamic clothing and any workarounds that arise ban foreign funding of mosques ban islamic schools demolish "extremist" mosques deport everyone on the terrorism watch list and strip any of them of citizenship deport failed asylum seekers deport criminal migrants for even the pettiest crime
Charles Harris
actually it's really really easy
Gavin Roberts
The Answer for you US Faggs is always even more dead! Get your fucked up Country together and >dont play Fucking World Police
Sebastian Clark
Do our people a favor and kill yourself asap, you sanctimonious twat
Joseph Torres
The reason the US nuked Japan was only partly to prevent having to fight their military to the last soldier. The bigger reason was that they wanted to win against Japan before the Soviets got there.
The reason this ended their fanaticism overnight is because Japan was a highly structured society, and the US forced the Emperor and his generals to accept unconditional surrender or have their people wiped off the planet if they continue. With Imperial Japan accepting the conditions of surrender, the source of their militant fanaticism was effectively removed from Japanese society.
Islamic extremism isn't highly structured. If you nuked a city full of Muslim civilians, I think it'd have little effect, apart from giving terrorists more propaganda fuel and SJWs a legitimate reason to say we're the bad guys for specifically targeting civilians.
Sebastian Nguyen
Talking only about western countries. If we don´t want a mass genocide down the road, we need to start deporting muslims big time and stop taking in ANY muslim. If that doesen´t happen the left, the right and muslims will bash heads in big time. More and more right wingers will start fighting back, rightfully so, this will cause more muslims to be radicalized and give a boost to antifa and other faggot groups alike. Dark ages are awaiting if we don´t find a solution!
Connor Bell
1) require all mosques to be in native language, and monitor them 2) allow jury deportation trial for any foreigners 3) declare the islamic state (and all brands of militant islam) a foreign military and anyone pledging allegiance or supporting it gets tried by jury and executed if found guilty 4) hang extremist immams 5) automatic deportation of family for jihadis 6) internment camps for muslims if all else fails.
This is very possible and a guaranteed solution to the problem. The only thing lacking is the stomach in the generally weak population.
Jury should be composed of randomly selected members of public with a supermajority conviction.
Justin Sullivan
Building a wall cause lots of useless fucks keep showing up.
Don't want ppl coming from certain countries because there is no government to work with to do anything resembling a background check.
>antifa I've only recently become aware of antifa and just how crazy the far left is in the USA
Can somebody explain how this has happened? The world doesn't even make sense anymore
>be antifa >fascists are exercising right to free speech >I don't like the way they think >better use violence to force them to think like I do >justifying fascism because we must prevent fascism wut?
Hudson Martinez
Killing is only a part of the Islam problem. Violence, harassment, stealing, intolerance, racism, political Islam and the downfall of our social systems is a way bigger problem then a couple of dead people here and there. So do us a favour Achmed leave our nice and once peacefull country!
Jayden Sanchez
in Germany we had problems with antifa and people alike for a long time. But since the mass invasion started and some people criticized this madness, a lot of social justice warriors joined their ranks. Because everything else would be "racist and Nazi behaviour"...
Ryder Wright
>Convince Gays to convert to Islam >Checkmate Muhammed
Hunter King
don't they realise that beating people up for thinking differently to them is tangibly more 'Nazi behaviour' than open free speech?
>how come you can't ask questions?
Chase Bell
In their mind they have the moral high ground and this "justifies" violence.
Mason Miller
Poll tax for Muslims. Conscription of their firstborn sons into elite counterterrorist forces.
John Rodriguez
As a german let me tell you a wall isnt a gold idea at all
Xavier Bailey
>"ban Islam as a whole"
This is literally the only thing that will stop it.