People who believe in capitalism have yet to answer this question. If the rich keep investing their money aren't they getting richer, and since there's only so much money the rich getting richer means the poor must be getting poorer. Try to refute that argument without
>Muh investment
>Muh trickledown
>Muh wealth isn't 0 sum game
>Muh commie
>Muh staypoor
And I don't want anyone to agree with my point and then argue it's because of jews. I hate antisemitism more than capitalism.
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100% of the people who defend capitalism, don;t even give to charity
what exactly is your question?
Selfish selfish selfish.
How can you refute the fact that under capitalism the poor must get poorer.
where does it say the poor must get poorer?
is canada a capitalist economy yes or no?
has the standard of living for canadians improved over the last 100 years?
Your premise that there is only so much money is faulty.
Wealth is not found in money alone, it is also in the value of property.
>refute my point without using any of the reasons my point is wrong
You're right, I can't do that
I explain it in OP
Canada is a socialist economy because we have government owning oil and then labour unions
Except property is limited as well, and even if property was unlimited, money is still very limited
So you can only refute my point with bullshit fallacies?
ill answer these questions for you
>is canada a capitalist economy yes or no?
in some ways canada is MORE capitalist than the united states.
>has the standard of living for canadians improved over the last 100 years?
it absolutely has
no system is perfect but why would you want to wreck something that has worked so well for so many?
you explain shit in the op
Wealth is genuinely not a zero sum game. I suspect you also don't actually know what a fallacy is.
I'm not saying being rich is wrong, but being rich at the suspense of the poor is bad.
this is typical facist mo
argue me, but you cant argue with anything that might make my argument look wrong
I explain it in basic unrefutable binary math
Because it logically makes no sense. Limited money, rich getting richer. Someones gotta be losing.
If you try to print money you go to prison for 13 years. If anyone tries to print money they go to prison for 13 years. Money = zero sum
Lol so you can't argue without using fallacies lol
False again, property does not consist of only real estate.
Read "The Richest Man in Babylon" & Rich Dad, Poor Dad.
>I hate antisemetism more than capitalism
I put sage on all of my dinner meals.
Also, useful for this thread
when you grow up and acknowledge that no system is perfect only then will you begin to understand that the system that allows for even one average person to reach beyond their wild expectations, that is the system worth dying for
Just explain it to me im not reading a shitty book when I got stuff to do
Enjoy ban
Ohhhh so basically communism is worth dying for?
Grow up
Nah I won't be banned faggot. Nice useless thread and autism though.
The only good type of socialism is National Socialism. Sieg heil! Gas this bolshevist scum!
Definitely bait, but sure I'll play along.
First, the government prints more money all the time.
Second, money and wealth are not the same thing, as wealth includes everything you own. A mobile phone from the modern era is worth more than any computer from 30 years ago.
Third, as the wealthy reinvest their liquid capital into business and technology they increase the wealth of the entire nation, by making goods cheaper and helping to further technological progress increasing the value of the goods we purchase.
In short, neither money nor wealth is a zero sum game
Not true. Ever heard of charity tax breaks, faggot?
New value is created as new technologies are introduced into the market, thus creating both demand for new products and jobs to meet that demand, which thereby distributes the new value throughout the economy.
wow kid you are just stupid
never lived under communism
but thinks communism is great
enjoy canada
>Third, as the wealthy reinvest their liquid capital into business and technology they increase the wealth of the entire nation, by making goods cheaper and helping to further technological progress increasing the value of the goods we purchase.
In short, neither money nor wealth is a zero sum game
The rich and the poor aren't necessarily the same people throughout time. Are you saying poor people have less money now? Well look money has no value except the value we give it. It may be the case that poor people have less money but if money is worth more during that time (you can buy more stuff with less money) then it actually is better than before when they had more money but could buy less stuff.
STUPID FUCKING LEAF JESUS FUCK! You illiterate, retarded bastard. You offer no arguments, didn't even ask a fucking question and talk like some frenchfag FUCK OFF THIS IS WHY LEAVES ARE PERSECUTED neck yourself
you described freedom
mises.org
Really gets the ol' noggin' joggin'. faggot. Pic mostly unrelated but still hilarious.
I'd be genuinely curious to know what you can come up with to deny one of the most widely accepted foundations in economics.
Wow you're stupid, you just said communism was worth dying for and then critize me for asking if it was good.
Mental illness
>lives under capitalism
>thinks capitalism is good
Nice dumbness
>implying communists know anything about economics
Are you fucking retarded? 'The rich getting richer' is a stupid, over-simplified expression, and it doesn't imply the poor are getting poorer. The wealthy can be trading their 99% of the world's capital back and forth between themselves ad nauseum and the poor can keep the same 1% until the end of time.
Get a job and keep your faggot fucking socialism out of here.
it's not a zero sum game. really crappy bait/slide thread. sage
Yet people are better off overall. You know why? Because of Science and technology. Fascism, Communism, Oligarchs, Theocracy, its all the same shit. The only progress that is ever made is in science. If anything it proves that the only social programs government should invest in is STEM education and funding research.
A capitalist is anyone who has both read and understood Karl Marx's writings.
Did you know there is 72 trillion dollars in existance.
The more I have the less everyone else has
Basic binary logic. If i have a dollar you don't have it.
>since there's only so much money
Is is possible that you are retarded?
Well most of the money the government prints ends up in the rich anyway
Not an argument illiterate. Pls tell me you have cancer
The rich can also get poorer under capitalism and it is almost impossible for any monopoly, unless their product is god tier and cheap, which would not be a bad thing at all.
>The only progress that is ever made is in science.
Well if that's the case then wouldn't militarism be the best system ever then? War is the ultimate fuel for advancing technology isn't it? I think there is something more to consider if you are going to talk about the best economic system.
It's not that simple, the problem it's when it's legally validated to exterminate people for your wealth.
What can you do in those cases?
I've already addressed that by drawing the divide between wealth and money. Please actually work with the arguments I've made, or else I'll have wasted my time.
>and since there's only so much money
Well this is patently and observably false, so there's nothing to refute.
>Muh wealth isn't 0 sum game
It objectively isn't.
That was easy.
>And I don't want anyone to agree with my point and then argue it's because of jews. I hate antisemitism more than capitalism.
Well, you're twice a joke for that.
Capitalists don't understand economics, if they did they'd be socialists
Capitalists are economically illiterate
>wealth isn't 0 sum
Horrible bait, enjoy your ban
>How can you refute the fact that under capitalism the poor must get poorer.
They objectively haven't. Poverty has been rapidly improving across the world since the fall of the Soviet Union. The fact that the rich are also getting richer is literally immaterial because wealth isn't a 0 sum game.
Also trickle down economics don't exist. It's a label invented by idiots to describe any system without punitive taxes.
>Well most of the money the government prints ends up in the rich anyway
And what does this have to do with free markets?
> There's only so much money
That's you problem OP.
Libs/lefties/socialists for some reason do not understand that wealth is and can be CREATED.
It's not a limited amount.
Start a business, service, technology, etc...
Boom. You've just created something that generates wealth.
The left fuckin sucks.
Those who don't engage in labor shall not enjoy its fruits.
DemSoc disagrees with this.
Your forgetting that the FED keeps printing more money, so the poor aren't necessarily getting more poor. It's just that everyone is getting into deeper and deeper debt. Not much different from what your saying, I'm just pointing out that there isn't really a fixed sum of money being circulated.
Debt is the real cause of poverty. Abolish the FED!
>Horrible bait, enjoy your ban
Stating empirical fact is bait now.
Except the rich have so much money, they could cause massive inflation with a simple spending
You're mentally ill.
It is bad since they'd be getting rich meaning everyone else would be getting poor
Well I never once mentioned wealth so thats a strawman. I have no clue why you brought that up. I said MONEY is a zero sum game not wealth, stop wasting my time.
Get a job.
>It is bad since they'd be getting rich meaning everyone else would be getting poor
Empirically false.
>Well I never once mentioned wealth so thats a strawman.
You stupid nigger, I'm taking your bait.
The amount of wealth on the planet is not fixed by the money supply. Look up zero sum economics. It is the way children and leftists assume the world works, and it is totally wrong.
It is possible for everyone to get richer, and for everyone to get poorer. Such as always happens when Commies get in power.
...
He's trolling.
Under democratic socialism you actually keep what you earn. In capitalism your boss steals it.
>at the suspense
this is why you will always be poor
And what's your job, sit and argue on Sup Forums all day?
>Except the rich have so much money, they could cause massive inflation with a simple spending
I don't think that's how it works.
Fair enough, then how about this.
In 2001 the Average American bank account held $3,940.
By 2013, it was $5,200, showing that as time goes on all people have more money and that even money is not a zero sum game.
because our capitalism has devolved into corporatism. both left and right policies have allowed our liberty to turn into an oligarchy/plutocracy run by the top dogs of major organizations that control what we see, ingest, or have exposure to.
aka, Jewish influence, as most of these men (especially those who control what we are exposed to in media) are in fact, Jewish.
Capitalism is not the problem. Jewish Greed and its bastardization of our planet, is.
I never mentioned wealth as an argument. I'm pointing out how it's a SHITTY SHITTY strawman argument. It's emperically true.
If there is 100 apples, and I have 10, and then I get another 10, there is objectivily less for everyone
>The amount of wealth on the planet is not fixed by the money supply
Enjoy your ban, trolling isn't allowed.
>You keep what you earn
From whom?
Communism keeps everyone the same. Well keeps all the poor the same of dirt poor, makes the those in power even more powerful.
>leaf shitposting about economics
Obamaleaf is that you?
Plus DemSocism supports Basic Universal Income, which goes against the quote in my previous post:
Funny since you're poor and defending the system that's keeping you on welfare, yet you criticize welfare
I work for my dads company, he owns a law firm and i want to be a lawyer there but for now I just stand and greet people at the door. He will pay all my uni fees if I do it this summer.
nice privilege. you sound like the kinda guy the commie millennials hate.
So basically you do nothing, no labor?
Are those real numbers because that's very very low. But im getting away from the point
That's only because the FED is printing money, money inequality has gone up and if it goes up too much the rich have so much money they could go on a spending spree and bankrupt everyone via inflation
Property is being created all the time though.
>Funny since you're poor
actually I use the system that rewards based on merit AHEM (capitalism) to make my self wealthy. You should try it sometime before your country is turned into a communist hell hole
Tribalism and extreme racialism is far more important than your retarded
>MUH STEAL MONEY AND REDISTRIBUTE IT
>If the rich keep investing their money aren't they getting richer, and since there's only so much money the rich getting richer means the poor must be getting poorer
let me point out the flaws in your stupidity
are you ready?
here it is
1) some people lose money they invest.
2) even poor people can invest
(there are many billionaires that have done exactly that.)
just because we are born equal, doesn't mean we must remain equal.
>try to refute me without using arguments that refute me
Wealth isn't a zero sum game.
And even under your own flawed logic, there are plenty of people who get richer through government granted privileges at the expense of taxpayers.
>If you try to print money you go to prison for 13 years. If anyone tries to print money they go to prison for 13 years. Money = zero sum
This is the dumbest fucking post I've ever seen. The government has a monopoly on currency, that's not free market capitalism. And money isn't wealth, the government could print everyone 1 million dollars and your living standards would not change at all.
slide this worthless shill thread
The government
No it keeps everyone rich
Yes actually it is me. Obamas not in power anymore and the word I used to call right-wingers is not allowed in Canada anymore so i was forced to change my online persona
This is all fascinating I'm sure, but all I'm really hearing is that you can't admit that money isn't a zero sum game. I think you should delete the OP and try again.
>privilege
I am discriminated, bullied, hit, beat, called names, and am worked like a dog. I am anything but privileged.
I do.
Who funds the government?
>Just explain it to me im not reading a shitty book when I got stuff to do.
Nah, I don't have time to explain to someone who refuses to learn.
Thing is, capitalism rewards based on NAME, what name you have. Socialism rewards based on merit. Maybe you should try escaping poverty, you will realize it's impossible
I'm against stealing money, i am anti-capitalist
Are you retarded? Don't answer that.
>Socialism rewards based on merit
fucking christ you are really this dumb aren't you
We haven't had capitalism in the west for a long time. Its easy to blame capitalism for all the shit going on when its literally how socialism works to destroy capitalism and replace it with communism.
Our corporations are bailed out by the government with taxpayer money, not capitalism. We redistribute wealth with tax credits paid by workers, not capitalism. We spend a massive amount of our budgets on welfare, not capitalism. There's countless more examples.
America is a socialist country. Canada is socialist, All of western europe is socialist. Im sure all of eastern europe is socialist as well.
Private companies existing =/= capitalism, especially considering most of those companies are global conglomerates who are more or less the same as government.
uh lol if you take money away from those who have accumlated it voluntarily than its stealing. taxation is an example of theft through force. you cant be a communist and not be a thief. thats impossible.
saying the word "sage" != threatening sage
Kill yourself faggot
We are not born equal, we are born to certain capitalist castes and stay there.
>poor can invest
Yeah but they have to spend what they earn to survive
>some people lose money
Dumb, most don't
lower minimum wage. Education costs too much to leave your economic class
>This is the dumbest fucking post I've ever seen. The government has a monopoly on currency, that's not free market capitalism. And money isn't wealth, the government could print everyone 1 million dollars and your living standards would not change at all.
Dumbest post ever. I don't give a flying fuck about wealth. I don't even care because wealth could mean anything from salt to oil. I'm talking MONEY here, not wealth MONEY. And under free market capitalism the government can print money unless you're an Austrian economics nut.
> ITT people who unironically believe the Walton family could never attain wealth because of all the "rich people" already had "all the money"
There is literally zero investment that guarantees nonzero returns, and all wealth inherently loses value over one as the population expands
Having capital and enforcing it with private/public police/military itself is a gamble, but liberal arts graduates pretend that just because someone's ancestor outsmarted an entire country, that they should have their funds re appropriated
Just because it takes a long time for a private citizen to lose calculated and well-defended wealth doesn't mean it is impossible, it just means you never will achieve what some (originally poor) aristocratic family was able to do in an age of less abundance and information
Stay mad
God you shills are retards
excellent response faggot
Because im not mentally ill. I wish that were the case.