Before you ask questions to make fun of me. Yes I'm 18 years old, im in highschool and my dad is the guy with the law firm. Technically it's still my grandparents but my dad is his only son and he's inheriting it when my grandfather dies and is getting all the profits.
Since i am allowed to stay up late on friday and Saturday night I stay up to like 2A.M watching videos and reading arguments for capitalism and socialism. I spend a lot of time on this. It came to me that both systems are simple ways to transfer resources from one person to another. Investment is nothing more than a temporary change of resource to someone for an even greater exchange back.
This is why socialism is more efficient, it allocates resources exactly as needed while capitalism fucks around with mal-investment, unemployment, foreclosure, and bourgeoisie capitalists. All that is WASTED resources and labour, socialism does not put up with that.
Can you send me some money since your rich? If this is what your worry about in sorry to shatter your dreams (((((they))))) Will never allow the goy to prosper
Connor Lee
Only good socialism is national socialism.
Mason Lopez
I'm not Jewish and my family is rich im not rich. And any money i get i pay this guy to invite me over.
Benjamin Jenkins
The entirety of human history says you are wrong.
Aaron Reyes
But these resource allocation models that you're talking about require an altruistic government at the help to ensure efficient and "fair" distribution. The inherent problem being that humanity as a whole is far from altruistic. If anything, one of our core traits is greed. Greed breeds corruption, and then you start landing up with the Soviet Union.
Socialism is the biggest scam there ever was. It causes individuals like me who are college educated. To evaluate how much profit I could theoretically make by not working, and pursuing other recreational interests. When individuals collectively do this (and they will), this causes overall output to suffer. Requiring everyone else to amp up the effort to meet output quotas.
The final flaw in socialism is that nobody really knows how much of what people want. Capitalism reigns supreme in this matter, since supply and demand are very clear.
But since you're 18 years old. You're probably not going to listen to any of this, and talk about how great Trudeau and Sanders are as people.
Dylan Myers
History proves im right actually
Except that makes no sense since under socialism you have to work to get resources, under capitalism if you work you get nothing, only the bourgaise get anything. In that sense capitalism encourages laziness.
The reason you love Trudeau and Sanders is because they tell you that you can have capitalism and not work, since you know that under regular capitalism you'd be a bottom feeder.
Andrew Gutierrez
Can you show me a *full* socialist system that worked?
Mason Thompson
>>socialism allocates resources exactly as needed you cant define how much is needed. people always want more and more.
>>efficient socialism transfers ressources from industrious, intelligent and successful people to lazy, dumb and unsuccessful people. Socialism encourages untermenschen-behavior. Socialism makes people more lazy. Its making economy unefficient.
Easton Morris
>9gag Only good form on socialism is national socialism.
Parker Thomas
>Before you ask Nobody was gonna ask We don't care Fuck off commie
Jaxson Perez
>Except that makes no sense since under socialism you have to work to get resources >under capitalism if you work you get nothing,
Strange, I thought I was working for money. The medium of exchange. You work for both in capitalism and socialism. The only difference being the government taxes your wages more to provide for idiots who can't. I'd rather throw my money into the fire at that point. I don't want to provide for people I don't know, because I don't care about them one bit.
>The reason you love Trudeau and Sanders
If you read the entire sentence. That's not what I said at all. But nice assumption. Keep moving around like that in life, and people are going to treat you like a twat, that just needs to be fucked.
Blake Hernandez
Remember when i talk about socialism I mean the ECONOMIC system. I do am not talking about cultural or legal aspects. So yes Saudi Arabia is a full socialist system that worked economically.
>you cant define how much is needed. people always want more and more. Yeah you can, how much people are willing to buy
>socialism transfers ressources from industrious, intelligent and successful people to lazy, dumb and unsuccessful people. Socialism encourages untermenschen-behavior. Socialism makes people more lazy. Its making economy unefficient. Capitalism transfers resources from smart, productive, unsucessful people to dumb lazy sucessful people. If you try to work in capitalism you get made fun of, have your wealth and rights stolen, and are forced into debt slavery. In socialism you get to keep what you earn. That is why socialism is more efficient.
Charles Martin
>we don't care You don't matter
Henry King
>Strange, I thought I was working for money. The medium of exchange. You work for both in capitalism and socialism. The only difference being the government taxes your wages more to provide for idiots who can't. I'd rather throw my money into the fire at that point. I don't want to provide for people I don't know, because I don't care about them one bit. Your working to get money, yeah a little bit. The GDP per capita is 55 thousand dollars a year. If you make under that you are losing your resources to someone else
>If you read the entire sentence. That's not what I said at all. But nice assumption. Keep moving around like that in life, and people are going to treat you like a twat, that just needs to be fucked. You made the assumption that i like trudeau and sanders twat
Caleb Robinson
Neither do you, it's always these rich faggot kids that think socialism is a great idea not realizing how much their standard of living would go down, and then it's crying to daddy because I can't afford an iPhone anymore
Cooper Jones
>I Just Came To the Conclusion That Socialism is the Most Efficient Ideology You forgot the word "National" somewhere OP. youtube.com/watch?v=DB9oUqIcX-c
Kayden Diaz
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David Long
>Your working to get money, yeah a little bit. The GDP per capita is 55 thousand dollars a year.
I don't see what that has to do with anything. Because you're telling me I don't get anything with Capitalism. But you just told me the GDP is 55k. So what is it. Nothing or something?
>You made the assumption that i like trudeau and sanders twat
Because you're talking about socialism and they're the chief preachers of socialism in this age besides Europeans like Solberg and Rasmussen.
Daniel Nguyen
aka Not Socialism
Josiah Moore
I do matter actually I know a lot of important people, well my dad does but i have dinner with them, and your the cryone one
Ok what they said was true but the holocaust was really bad and is why national socialism sucks
Gavin Brown
>I don't see what that has to do with anything. Because you're telling me I don't get anything with Capitalism. But you just told me the GDP is 55k. So what is it. Nothing or something? That means that if you are not making 55K a year the government is ripping you off since thats how much each person produces in labour
>Because you're talking about socialism and they're the chief preachers of socialism in this age besides Europeans like Solberg and Rasmussen. Trudeau and Sanders are both ultra-capitalists. Try again
Ryan Hall
Too bad those important people see right through your shit and will never respect you
Dylan Morgan
What do you see yourself doing after your socialist revolution
Gabriel Martin
Well they obviously do respect my dad since they have dinners with him where they discuss business shit. I'm not allowed to talk about socialism with clients so i guess the scum think im one of them
I don't believe in revolution, im talking about socialization through legislative means. But I see myself as a lawyer like always since my dad is sending me to law school. The thing is in socialism even if I don't get into law school which I have a good chance of not getting into I could be a worker and will get just as much status and respect.
Michael Baker
>All that is WASTED resources and labour, socialism does not put up with that.
Why are you so stupid? Learn some fucking history.
Julian Wood
>That means that if you are not making 55K a year the government is ripping you off
No. That means the bourgeoisie you're bitching about, are ripping you off. How can you not tell the difference between the upper class and the government?
>Trudeau and Sanders are both ultra-capitalists. Try again
Yeah, universal healthcare, and preaching of universal income is totally ultra capitalist. I also listed two other proponents of socialism that you didn't read about.
After this little chat. I've determined that you have no clue what socialism really is, except the "socialism" that you want to try in your misplaced mind. Individuals like you want to assert your self-righteousness over your fellow man like the word of God. People like you are tyrants and are better off placed on the noose. It's good idiots like you don't have real power.
Ian Davis
>implying the true faith of the Lord Jesus Christ is false burn in hell
Grayson Phillips
That's holocaust denial stuff. I can't watch it since in Canada it's illegal to even believe in your mind that the holocaust is fake.
I don't like Tito, he was a genocidal evil man. My best friend is Italian and Tito had Italians executed.
Isaac Jenkins
What is a "worker" in your mind.
Jace Turner
It totally works guys
Isaiah Watson
You're very stupid, learn history
> No. That means the bourgeoisie you're bitching about, are ripping you off. How can you not tell the difference between the upper class and the government? The U.S is fake as fuck bro. The government is the bourgeoisie at this point
>Yeah, universal healthcare, and preaching of universal income is totally ultra capitalist. I also listed two other proponents of socialism that you didn't read about. Suuuuuure even though they preach "free markets, reduction on redtape, global free trade, and economic unity".
>After this little chat. I've determined that you have no clue what socialism really is, except the "socialism" that you want to try in your misplaced mind. Individuals like you want to assert your self-righteousness over your fellow man like the word of God. People like you are tyrants and are better off placed on the noose. It's good idiots like you don't have real power. Oh oh so you believe in thoughtcrime now?
>believing in religion Sorry im too educated and rational for that crap
Xavier Ramirez
in actuality: >we sit back and watch your sweaty hands clamor for a shitty handshake and then deny your resume for bringing up anime as a strength and weakness
Angel Johnson
Once you move out of your parents house boy and become fully independent, you'll realize how shitty it is (((providing))) to (((people))) you'll never see and never hear from. If you're so keen to help people out, do so with your own money and means toward a dedicated institution instead of a federal body with more corruption and self interests than we can imagine
Bentley Parker
Fucking leaf
Juan Sanchez
Honestly I'm really screwing up my terms here. A worker/proletariat in my mind is anyone who's not in the bourgeois. I consider myself a proletariat and even tried to get my dad to let me join the 99% protest of occupy wallstreet. By worker I meant physical factory worker or builder. Technically anyone who works for the bourgeois is a prole.
Sure, Venezuelans ultra capitalism is a TOTAL sucess
>This is why socialism is more efficient, it allocates resources exactly as needed while capitalism fucks around with mal-investment, unemployment, foreclosure, and bourgeoisie capitalists. All that is WASTED resources and labour, socialism does not put up with that.
No it doesn't and if you look at the history of the world where socialism has been implemented, it's been done so badly through central planning that basically millions of people starved to death during a time where capitalistic countries had an abundance of food and goods.
That is to say look up the USSR in the 1900's and how that turned out vs capitalistic america, and the 5 years of starvation, etc.
Capitalistic markets are themselves systems of measuring what is in demand and supplying it, it's a system of measuring inefficiency in businesses and making them fail while at the same time promoting more efficient businesses. Capitalism has mechanisms for deciding value through group bargaining with private ownership, socialism has no such equivelents and so fails quickly.
And yes capitalism isn't necessarily the most efficient because quite often you have multiple businesses doing the same thing and some go under. But that's a temporary fleeting cost which is traded for learning which way is the better way to do something.
Jeremiah Martinez
Socialism only works if you do it like Hitler did. Massive nationalist movement meaning people will be working to better there family and friends. Kill those who are severly disabled as they are a major drain on healthcare. Only allow a certain amount of resources to the elderly as they are the most likely to need healthcare. encourage women to have many children so there are more people paying taxes and creating wealth each generation.
Benjamin Baker
Both systems are flawed and they call each other evil. Simply because of a very basic formula: both rely heavily on the ones in power for the ones below them to be happy (either the Goverment or the Market). Socialism and communism work wonders on small communities but obviously most of the development they get is from bigger cities that work on capitalism.
But the truth is that smarter people hate dumber people and since smarter people tend to reach higher status quos they will always fuck the people below them regardless the system they're in.
Hudson Adams
>it's socialism until it fails Yes, one of you drifts in here every few days.
William Phillips
Not an argument
Im not spending my money helping anyone out, fuck that. Providing for others is awful, that's why capitalism is a failure
Jaxon Gutierrez
It is now
Tyler Smith
Wow. The author, David Cole, even stated in the beginning that he is not a Holocaust denier, just a revisionist. Well then, here is a Voltaire quote. "To learn who rules over you, you must discover who it is illegal to criticize."
Christian Mitchell
Venezuela citizens say otherwise
Lucas Flores
back to the gulag fool
Owen Collins
>No it doesn't and if you look at the history of the world where socialism has been implemented, it's been done so badly through central planning that basically millions of people starved to death during a time where capitalistic countries had an abundance of food and goods. Other way around actually
>That is to say look up the USSR in the 1900's and how that turned out vs capitalistic america, and the 5 years of starvation Americas golden age was 1950. Dwight Eisenhower was in power who was a democratic socialist. Also look at Ireland in the 1860s, Potato famine since it was capitalist
>Capitalistic markets are themselves systems of measuring what is in demand and supplying it, it's a system of measuring inefficiency in businesses and making them fail while at the same time promoting more efficient businesses. Capitalism has mechanisms for deciding value through group bargaining with private ownership, socialism has no such equivelents and so fails quickly. Wrong. In capitalism demand is determined by how much people are willing to spend money on something. Problem is if there is no money there is no demand.
>And yes capitalism isn't necessarily the most efficient because quite often you have multiple businesses doing the same thing and some go under. But that's a temporary fleeting cost which is traded for learning which way is the better way to do something. It's not temporary. There's businesses failing all the time.
Dominic Mitchell
that looks like communism
Ethan Richardson
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH
jk, don't be afraid, you'll grow out of it
Thomas Sanders
My grandfather was severely disabled and was never a drain on healthcare, that's a stereotype for the most part. Everything else you said was unbelievably fucked
Eli Rogers
Yeah sure though it was socialist until it turned capitalist and then failed.
Jackson Bennett
but the little problem here is that that's communism/monarchy, not capitalism, cus with capitalism, we have the freedom of equal opportunity (for the most part) and some things can fuck people over, and it sucks, but that's life
Jace Wilson
First odd David Cole is on the SPLC Hate list for holocaust denial and second of all that is a fake Voltaire quote
Why would they? Most of them live poor hungry starving lives thanks to capitalism keeping them down
Grow up please
Eli Lee
Your money and property will be forcebly distributed under socialism which means that you will be supporting others with your money. You are a member of the bourgeoisie if your father is any good at his job and you're the textbook definition of a champagne socialist
Elijah Taylor
If true, you were also just born if you put faith in government to do what is best with your money.
Remember, Crony Capitalism and Socialism = The same thing.
Pure Utopian Socialism can never be had, just as pure Capitalism can never be had because of Government. Somewhere in the chain, there will always be corruption and people lining their own pockets while the plebs work. This is the way it has always been and always will be.
The reason why Capitalism/consumer culture wins is because at least as consumers have a voice with their wallet over who rapes them in the ass.
Either way, it ends in ass rape if you are not part of the elite.
Nathaniel Reed
>allocates resources exactly as needed
>implying the Government in it's all mightiness can't be corrupted and is always 100% efficient
wtf. I honestly also support socialism for a nation but your argument is just retarded.
Nathan Rivera
I'm not bourgeois. My dad is and he's a douchbag and im becoming a lawyer to WORK for him. He's basically cucking me to being a proletariet.
Luis Lee
I lean more to the right, but even I don't think large profits and money goes to the most deserving.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Communist and I agree there has to be incentive for people to try their hardest, but that's only up to a reasonable point.
These days, becoming rich and wealthy has more to do with being born lucky or being at the right place at the right time. It hardly has anything to do with work ethic and intelligence.
Work ethic and intellect will help you go from $20k/year to $80k/year, but getting to the point where you're making $500k/year is all luck.
My neighbor used to run a convenience store back in the 80s and 90s and used to make a lot. Back then, immigration was more restrictive and there weren't like 50 competitors in your neighborhood.
He closed his store recently because it wasn't turning a profit due to the likes of Amazon and every immigrant doing the same exact thing. This guy is so delusional and thinks he made his $5 million due to hard work and intelligence and not because he was lucky the environment was in his favor.
In fact, his recent store closure should be proof that it was primarilu luck that allowed him to make so much money at the start, since if it were due to hard work and intelligence, his store would still be open. And yet, this guy's giant ego won't let him see that.
Parker Jones
That's fucked up
Well the government is a democracy.
Daniel Price
what you did not get is INCENTIVE. People are looking for themselves when they do work. If they feel like they are working for nothing or they work for leeches, they will be frustrated and stop to work.
This is why socialism fails very hard. If being "needy" gets you stuff, you want to be needy. If working doesn't mean you get to keep stuff, you wont want to work.
Grayson Cook
So are you not living the life of a member of the bourgeois? Does your father not provide for you?
Owen Long
>still replying to autistic Canadians that don't know anything why waste your time
Christian Hall
What in your mind is severly disabled? In mine its my step brother who had to have a electric wheelchair, hoists, a revamped bathroom, a special disabled car, spinal surgeries. This costed the tax payer at least £200,000 without counting the £20,000 a year needed for his carer. Now add that with the thousands of people that suffer with his condition. And this is for his disease alone. Now add in the costs for the 60,000 people in the UK alone with down syndrome. This is special teachers, extra medicine extra hospital vists due to heart issues and the costs quickly add up. You can moral fag all you want but disabilities cost a lot of money to the tax payer. And to old people, yes they do cost a fucking bomb. In the times i've visited my GP its always been full to the brim of old people no matter what time of day.
Isaac Cruz
Holy fuck this post was based. This is why i had socialism. Assholes born to rich parents think their the shit. I mean i was born rich but im not like the other shits who think they are better. It's all luck it's a caste system
Zachary Sanchez
>That means the bourgeoisie you're bitching about, are ripping you off. Um... no. Imagine that the whole of the society is just 10 people. Each of you produces and sells 55 000 worth of goods in a year. That's total GDP 550 000. But at a certain point one person invents a technology that increases his yield and profit twice.Total GDP rises to 605 000 and GDP per capita to 60 500. So now according to that logic, you should start claiming that the person who improved the technology is ripping you off by 5500 despite the fact that you have exactly as much as you had before.
Elijah Garcia
You just explained why capitalism failed. In socialism you work for yourself and keep 100% of what you earn. In capitalism your money is stolen and given to the boss so you just work for others
He gives me food, a phone, a computer, a bedroom, internet, and a bunch of other basic stuff that everyone has. There's no advantages at all. I still wake up everyday tired, go to school, get beat up and made fun of, go home and browse Sup Forums until i fall asleep. It's not a good life.
Jace Murphy
Go to Venezuela. Ask them how socialism worked out for them. Every socialist is either retarded or on the way to become a retard. And we should be allowed to throw you out of helicopters.
Cameron Bailey
What happens when people stop spending their money like idiots? >stop spending money on junk food as much as possible >stop spending money on excessive alcohol consumption >stop spending money clothes and products that are cheaply built and are made to break so you keep on buying >stop falling for Jewish tricks that are meant to keep you spending your hard earned on things that don't make you happy Why would we give our right to vote away just because the majority of consumers don't know how to treat their money? Wouldn't the most efficient and safest ideology be of that which teaches us how to not fund psychologically manipulative corporations?
Brody Butler
My grandfather had flat feet and the government gave him free money for it and he didn't have to serve in the war. However the University kicked him off the track and field team since they said if he wasn't fit enough for the army he couldn't run. I consider my grandfather a complete and utter parasite since he ran a law firm and i hate corporations but from your capitalistic perspective he paid more in taxes than he took out.
Logan Cook
>You just explained why capitalism failed. capitalism failed huh?
> In socialism you work for yourself and keep 100% of what you earn. that is not socialism. what's socialists about this?
Jacob Ramirez
Except yeah because that person who invented that technology will lower the price of apples and drive you out of business. PLUS most people get rich hiring others.
Adrian Gonzalez
Take this food for thought from a former social country:
Living in a social country is all well and good IF you have lots of FREE MONEY, except when it runs out.
Aaron Adams
sigh
This is not the fault of capitalism. You ever wonder why capitalism worked so great back before... some things happened?
Cooper Rivera
Have you worked for anything in your life at all?
Tyler Foster
Capitalists are retarded. Go to Venezuela and ask them how ultra-capitalism has been going for them. I think if you promote capitalism you should go to jail.
Liam Howard
So better education? That would never work since they tell people in school not to drink or smoke yet they do anyway
The whole point of socialism is you get to keep what you earn instead of your boss taking it.
Ethan Robinson
the most important say of my life thua far is once i figured out these simple rules of spending. it made everything else just kind of fall into place
Gabriel Nguyen
Wew lad that cognitive dissonance.
Robert Cook
My dad made me become a lifeguard and he's making me work at his law firm i have to hold the door open and dress up like a preppy idiot so yes.
Adam Cooper
no it's not. If you think the Government is elected democratically then you're underage and need to lurk more.
Charles Howard
A fucking frog is on the SPLC Hate list.
Dylan Jackson
So basically socialism is a system that stifles growth and creativity and you consider it a good thing. Am I understanding you right?
>PLUS most people get rich hiring others. Strange. Where I live, hiring others is considered a good thing.
Joshua Garcia
>hur dur not socialism but capitalism caused it Please don't reproduce, although with how autistic you are I can't see that happening anyways
Adam Williams
>The whole point of socialism is you get to keep what you earn instead of your boss taking it. No. The point of socialism is that the social needs of the people are met and the economy is based around that. You could be self-employed and it would not be socialist in any way. To be socialist you have to take care of poor people even if they cannot fend for themselves, as long as they "are willing to work".
Hudson Bennett
Okay you've just proved your a retard or troll >father only provides basics such as phone,internet,computer >Fucking flat feet a sever disability
The only reason you like the idea of socialism is because your as useful as a paper clip. You probably come home after each day of being mocked for being autistic and play overwatch, then fap to tracer porn and come on Sup Forums to demand why we should have to pay for your laziness.
Joshua Thompson
>Well the government is a democracy.
so inefficient as fuck, can maybe choose between 2 - 7 choices and even suck at that
James Gonzalez
>Socialism >Efficient >As needed You're imagining a system without a human factor. That doesn't, at least currently, exist.
Sebastian Stewart
Aha, but here's the deal, why should we rely on the government to do our jobs? Is it because citizens shouldn't be responsible for such important things? This whole system basically allows people to become useless and empty husks who waste their money and their lives.
Parents should raise their children, not the government.
Luke Rivera
Have you ever thought that maybe your father is forcing you to do these things to instill you with a sense of responsibility so when you go out into the real world you'll be about to have value in the free market? To me it seems like you're an extremely entitled boy who has no idea what it's like to work a day in his life and wants to continue life being supported by other people.
Zachary Evans
> capitalism fucks around with mal-investment, unemployment, foreclosure, and bourgeoisie capitalists. In a Socialist society you'll still want to take risks to move forward
Also: information problem and personal responsibility
ohgoditsretarded.jpeg
Cameron Powell
Produce results then
Show us a centrally planned economy that's more efficient than mixed/free market economies.
Carson Hughes
meant to address this to you
David Brooks
Please don't reproduce you are mentally ill
>So basically socialism is a system that stifles growth and creativity and you consider it a good thing. Am I understanding you right? No. Under socialism that piece of technology that can double the production of apples would simple be owned by everyone, not the one who invented it so everyones wealth would rise with the GDP
>Strange. Where I live, hiring others is considered a good thing. Well in Canada slavery is considered disgusting. Only the government hiring someone is ok since the money the government earns from it goes into the treasury
You're underage if you think we don't live in a democracy
Under capitalism you work and they take your money and rights
Wyatt Reed
>centralized control works in theory trust me guys Little edgy petite bourgeoise tries rebelling against his fathers expectation to become a lawyer?
