Why isn't Sup Forums libertarian anymore?

Why isn't Sup Forums libertarian anymore?

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Sup Forums is one person

I am.

Because pic related

There's actually a whole bunch of libertarians, thing is we are outnumbered by nazis, shills and other forms of statist cucks

Because leppit said it's bad.

libertarian is pro spics, niggers, and refugees and more often than not cuck themselves for liberal brownie points. a weak mans ideology.

Right of association is the only sustainable method to save the white race.

A weak mans ideology would be the one where he subjects himself to arbitrary ruling of other, stronger men.

Because libertarianism is both autistic and antisocial.

Those jews want you to masturbate to gold coins until some nigger comes in with his homies to take it and rape you.

>spics, niggers, and refugees
The bad people in these groups wouldn't survive in a free market environment. They wouldn't even come here for welfare and handouts since that wouldn't exist in Ancapistan.

Is this what passes as an argument in your neetsoc circlejerks?

because ron paul let everybody down

>Sup Forums is a single entity

Anyway, Libertarianism is probably only workable in an ethnically homogenous, high IQ nation. That's not what we live in right now. Because that's not what we live in right now, Libertarianism is not only unworkable, but counter-productive.

The worse it all gets, the more necessary Authoritarianism becomes, which has its own innate pitfalls.

Liberterian reporting in

>Anyway, Libertarianism is probably only workable in an ethnically homogenous, high IQ nation. That's not what we live in right now.

Can you explain why?

you're confusing apathy with tolerance and you're doing that because you are simple.

have fun licking the boots of stronger men though.

it is and we're the silent majority

What do those people's parents have to do with the very concept of libertariansm?

Yes. Is it violating the magical NAP of yours or something?

Like this is what I mean "autistic". These are the people who will argue hours about things that won't matter, simply because they love the pseudo-intellectual masturbation.

In the global game of collective interests you are simply irrelevant

Why isn't Sup Forums feminist anymore? Us oldfags are getting over it

>libertarian is pro spics, niggers, and refugees and more often than not cuck themselves for liberal brownie points. a weak mans ideology.

Nigs, spics and refugees look for welfare handouts. A libertarian society would have none for them so it is a moot point.
I also would love to see how having complete freedom and not allowing anyone to rule you is being a cuck when it is quite the opposite.

PS: it is very funny to see a cuck like yourself who loves giving all the power tp the state calling anything a weak man's ideology.

I like the idea of Libertarianism, but it's like socialism, it can only work in a closed and high-trust society where everyone plays by the rules.
And right now, the western world is under siege by communists who are hell-bent on our destruction. You cannot fight commies with libertarianism. It must be met with fascism and stamped out.

Because Sup Forums and Sup Forums are first amendment loving. And we've gotten so extreme to celebrate that freedom, found here only in the darkest corner of the internet. The last bastion of anonymity, which is far less stifling and allows the dankiest memes to propogate even compared to pseudonymity.

because r/The_Donald leaked all over the place
I really hope this alt-right cringe shit dies really fast

Sup Forums isn't one person. Also there has been a huge influx of leftypol and r/T_D since the election.

Spelling mistakes and all.

Neetsocs thing that adding ((())) to something and calling them jews will make their arguments valid.
Unironically tumblr with swastikas.

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Libertarianism is subversive by its very own nature. The only point of it is to have people autistically follow some principle and assumptions as if they were the holy grail of truth. They aren't, they actually drive people apart with so much autism. And this is the reason why only people who feel no loyalty towards anything become libertarians.

>Magical NAP
wew lad

>Like this is what I mean "autistic". These are the people who will argue hours about things that won't matter, simply because they love the pseudo-intellectual masturbation.

Debating and trying to win the battle of ideas is autistic? This is just brainlet rabble, inferiority complex showing through.

Anyway, tell me, what are you doing then? How do you plan on convincing people to embrace and accept your ideals? You natsocs are certainly not preparing for war and you have no projection of violence, so how do you plan to gain the spotlight? Memes?

>In the global game of collective interests you are simply irrelevant

I see way more gadsden flags than nazi flags around the globe.

it was never libertarian you fucking kike

>Unironically tumblr with swastikas.
at least the tumbr seemed to have stopped being triggered over everything
here you see hundreds of threads complaining about video game developers not making all the characters wasp men

check Sup Forums's working perspective of libertarianism is pretty spot-on and realist desu. Finds the middle-ground between autistic theorizing and where the rubber hits the road in our current political climate.

Not an argument

Diversity+proximity=war. Low IQ=more violence.

>Autistic and antisocial

And why exactly isn't /pol libertarian?

I am, but not terribly vocal about it here because of tiresome repetitive arguments with stormfags and other statist detritus.

as if you adhd sharts were more intelligent than monkeys

The communists formed antifa and are getting violent and calling for revolution. They need to be stopped

I believe freedom of speech, freedom of expression, etc. are paramount. Life is better when we possess those rights, and we can solve problems without giving them up.

With certain caveats, it should not be the government's job to control what I say, think or act.

Am I a libertarian?

>Implying libertarians can't P H Y S I C A L L Y R E M O V E commies

Most libertarians have jobs, so they don't have time to shitpost on Sup Forums all day.,

>Because libertarianism is both autistic and antisocial.
>antisocial
where the fuck are you getting this? Libertarianism isn't individualism

This, we lurk.

who the fuck said I wasnt?

>Humanity, Democracy, Civility and Reason
>Lets kill people who disagree with us

I never pretend to speak for leafs, but my version of Libertarianism is individualistic.

The problem with libertarianism is how it blinds people to it's real-world inapplicability because it's logical consistency will win them internet arguments.

Indeed, commies are a threat to our liberty, and our property. They must be removed.

So you think that libertarianism is not capable of combating communism, therefore we need to embrace an ideology that pretty much resembles communism in every sense excepting a few exceptions on social policies?

The only areas in our life safe from democratic values and communism are our private property, and they are only safe because people still have not been able to break through that barrier.

The problem with authoritarian ideologies is that they create a perception in people, the perception that they are allowed to dictate how others live because we're sharing something. And private property escapes this problem because it is something you are not sharing.

How does libertarianism (which embraces apartheid ideals) lead to diversity+proximity?

Yeah. The physical removal of commies is temporary fascism. Which is ok in my book

I am.

However, only right wing libertarianism can survive.
We must physically remove all democrats, socialists, and degenerates from our society to create a closed borders, family centered, libertarian order.

>loyalty
who the fuck would be loyal to a political party?

That isn't libertarianism you fuck.

>I like the idea of Libertarianism, but it's like socialism, it can only work in a closed and high-trust society where everyone plays by the rules.
Mostly true. Socialism however has been proven to not work purely from an economic standpoint.
>communism must be met with fascism and stamped out
Unfortunately I think this is true. I'm a fairly pure libertarian but today's libertarians confuse apathy with tolerant cultural cohesiveness. Legally libertarianism would overcome communism with a strong legal backbone, like the American constitution. However the constitution is 100% ignored, which is the fault of both citizens and government. If the 10th amendment were actually followed we simply wouldn't have problems with statists (specifically commies).

The welfare state is the key to everything.
>the American republic will endure until the day that congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money

It's not tho. It's self defense.

I realized this long ago and that is why I moved to the mountains and live off-grid, to get away from collectivist influence as much as I can. I try to settle for Constitutionalism and just hope the statist world will leave me and mine alone. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I'm a single-issue voter that votes for whoever promises me the least amount of government.

Nothing more libertarian than an apartheid. Private property concepts applied to a bigger scale.

I am a neoconservative, and all this fascists who are as leftist, economically speaking, as your regular commie, are really triggring me

The problem with your mode of thinking is that it is all purely academic and does not control for other factors. Namely that human beings are tribalistic by nature and a society that abandons group preference will be overrun by those that do not. The individualist society will not magically triumph in the end because it is more morally consistent or some other nonsense, you need to start seeing the world for what it is and realize that concepts like "rights" are only ever privileges that you are given by government and by your group by extension.

Western civilization is the only place where these types of practices have evolved in history and they are in fact the exception in what is otherwise the story of people dominating other people. So while I believe in notions of individualism, I also realize that they are not universal and self-sustaining and that they are directly dependent on cultures that have a shared sense of history.

this, libertarianism only means giving the (((big corporations))) the oportunity to do whatever they want, even making an state (this is why it is as retarded as anarcho-comunism)
check , it would not work with jewish

>that antifa poster

I guess I'm a pragmatic libertarian. Smaller government, more freedom, but i recognize the way to get there is to shore up our country's interest through strength and nationalism.

For if we don't, our country won't survive long enough to enact the sweeping reforms it needs.

I'm not really seeing the connection between apartheid and libertarianism.

>human beings are tribalistic by nature
Not an argument. A tribe can be something more abstract than just a group of people with the same origin. It can be people who share the same ideas.

individualism is libertarian but libertarianism isn't individualism

libertarian is almost as incel neckbeard fedora as being far-left/marxist. ALMOST

Libertarians believe in free enterprise, not corporatism. I don't think you'll find many libertarians that support corporate influence in government, which allows them to buy the laws they need. One way to control this would be to only let political donations come from individual citizens, but I have zero hope in that happening. Statists are well-organized, libertarians aren't and don't want to be. I live my life as a libertarian and try to lead by example in my own small, insignificant way. I have no illusions that the world will follow me. I ran for office as a libertarian about 15 years ago, and was under the mistaken impression that humanity wanted to be free. I was wrong.

Also libertarians are not ancaps. We understand the need for a government. We just don't like the idea of a meddling state with corrupted slimy fucks who think they know better than you what's best for you.

This is nonsense and purely academic wankery. People are not programmable robots who are going to suddenly lay aside tradition, history, and blood ties in favor of abstract egalitarian bullshit that only vaguely represents reality. This is especially true in the current context of low-IQ shitskins paying lip service to Western values to get whites to allow them into their lands so they can vote for leftist redistributionist political parties. Wake the fuck up.

i fucking hate lolbertarians

Africans are notoriously collectivist, so that isn't surprising.

I think this is a strawman argument with little substance on libertarianism. You probably read somewhere "I just want the government to leave me alone" and then projected that we want no part on society whatsoever.

Before government got involved, there was discrimination, judgement and a degree of socialization in order to get the benefits of welfare, with government, you can isolate yourself in your home only going out to buy hot pockets, masturbate furiously to underage cartoons, and you will get your cheque and free healthcare.

Current form of welfare is not society, it is anti-society

What we want is the choice to select which society we want to be part of, and who forms part of that society, this forces people to be social.

Collectivism is the only right thing

>implying we're not.
Economically most Sup Forumsacks are libertarian.
The problem is that libertarianism offers no solutions for combating corrupting influences like SJWs and jews.
That's where fascism comes in

Remember: fascist in the streets, libertarian in the sheets

Sure Jamal, get back to me in 20 years and tell me all about your collectivist Utopia.

If there were no state, there is no way jewish people will not make one ruled by them

In your house, you have walls, you have right of admission, you can associate with someone and share it (wife) or dissociate with someone and kick them out of your house.

Libertarianism is nothing but private property, contracts and free association.

because there is a psyop to get people to hate capitalism. first it was sjws and retarded liberals now theyre converting nazis to socialism to ensure all are equally poor. nationalism needs to incorporate the free market, its simple; markets that continue to fail or inherit monopolies become nationalized. some people simply believe in authority and that we need masters. those people were beaten as children and probably raped. freedom mans trancendence

I didn't say forget your blood ties you mong. I said that a tribe can be more abstract than just blood ties, I have nothing in common with a greek communist and i have everything in common with an american libertarian. Your low-IQ shitskin example if anything is an argument about why you can't allow the government get big. Because it is by definition a parasitic organism with the main purpose of sustaining itself and getting more powerfull.

Ew.

Back when Sup Forums had more libertarian discussions, a concerted shilling campaign emerged that eventually chipped away a lot of the free market talk. I started collecting screenshots of the apparent shilling at a time where shills weren't as common, and then the gamergate exodus happened.

I agree with you. What I am saying is that everything you just said in your post is not how shitskins think because they have no cultural basis for adhering to these ideas and they will overrun the nations that do and vote for more statism if those nations don't keep them the fuck out.

only a natsoc nigger seriously thinks libertarianism is a strictly 20th century phenomenon. Because of niggers like you and so called 'liberals' we have to call ourselves classical liberals. What I believe comes from the enlightenment and our inspired founding fathers, not some strawmen that you handily propped up. Lets face the facts, you are an unawares liberal that thinks he has an argument for big government, corporatist fascism that is somehow different from the liberals he pretends to hate. It's no wonder that you are Canadian.

*is mans transcendence. god, regardless of religion, wants you to be free to spread the word to the community to replace big brother goverbment

I hate them and swedes

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Not all libertarian ideologies are ancap you know?

They're a small segment of the population, and could be kept in check if Joe Six-Pack was more aware, but he isn't. They also have help from plenty of aware goy. In other words, no argument here.

Was going to comment on his post and my app crashed, but you made basically the same points i wanted to see.

I would just like to add that under a libertarian society, people are armed, and stupid people will quickly meet their demise because no state is their to protect the criminals.

it is, the NEETsocs LARPers are just louder

>Back when Sup Forums had more libertarian discussions, a concerted shilling campaign emerged that eventually chipped away a lot of the free market talk.

That shilling campaign mainly consisted of national socialists.

There is an extremely high probability that any libertarian you ever do meet is going to be European or of European ancestry. Why? Because limited government and individual rights is our fucking birthright. All I am saying is to not assume these ideas to be universal and ruin what we've inherited by letting mongrels in.

Trust us, libertarianism will work. True libertarianism just hasn't been tried yet.

Okay, but that isn't apartheid. The state controlled basically everything under that regime.

The whole problem with third worlders coming in is because of gibs. Remove gibs=non violent physical removal of shitskins

Libertarian =/= ancap.
Libertarian is basically classical liberalism "a state governs best when it governs the least".
In libertarianism the state still exists, but only to perform the absolute minimum tasks necessary to preserve the sovereignty of the state

When I was younger I thought everyone wanted freedom and liberty, as I said above. That's a very naive way of thinking. I think that mankind has been fighting and enslaving each other for so long that it shouldn't be surprising that a significant percentage of humanity has been bred to love their servitude, and a significant percentage loves control. Libertarianism is the uphill battle to end all uphill battles.

We don't want them to vote, we don't want anyone to vote for anything they should have no say in.

Shitskins are largely attracted by welfare. A country of gated communities, with no free schools, no free healthcare, not even free roads, offers them nothing that they don't have in their own houses.

With libertarianism, migration becomes a matter of being able to purchase property (which already filters a great part of the immigration) and also free association, including the free exclusion of anyone whose skin color is darker than this shade of pink.

The problem I see is that people think somehow libertarians won't combat these issues, but what I perceive day and night is that the state and this perception of power people have is only perpetuating it and making it worse.

Well, in a libertarian state you could control basically everything under your property. Now, whether that's a good strategy to make your property gain value or not is another matter.

The other day a Portuguese libertarian user posted this video, which explains the ultimate goal of libertarianism:

youtube.com/watch?v=gb8nJauOq_8

And it will never have the chance, because its fucking retarded

I'm libertarian. Don't tell me what I isn't.
pol got invaded by these stormfag shills and other statist shites.

Don't get me wrong, there were a number of natsocs that jumped in on it, but the initial spamming was very scripted.