UBI

Universal basic income will undoubtedly become the new norm in the next 20 years.
Stop denying progress you retards.
We won't have any jobs left to go around, but we will have unlimited technology and resources for everyone FOREVER.

>youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk

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independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/mark-zuckerberg-universal-basic-income-harvard-commencement-speech-facebook-president-bid-a7757781.html
archive.is/JWKsH
hbr.org/2015/04/heres-how-managers-can-be-replaced-by-software),
theaustralian.com.au/news/world/meet-emily-howell-classical-musics-virtual-composer/news-story/a92222790abee60aefa85c6b0f8c6bf7?nk=b4380d2297e88baa2ac54877f47464d1-1497038605
theguardian.com/small-business-network/2016/jul/22/written-out-of-story-robots-capable-making-the-news
theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/apr/19/robot-art-competition-e-david-cloudpainter-bitpaintr
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

Then why would we need currency other than for those above the system to exact control and create modern feudalism?

Better buy land now.

UBI doesn't preclude the desire for luxuries or the need for a system to limit access to scarcities.

I'm not watching that video because I'm sure it's retarded despite the proposed main thrust (automation is different now than it was in the industrial revolution and threatens all human labor).

>I'm not watching that video because I'm sure it's retarded

UBI is maybe the most degenerate idea to come along in centuries.

Herr derr, let's make humans stupid pets of the machines and the handful of people that own/run the machines. This will certainly result in a new golden age of humanity.

You'd rather everyone become a massive poor underclass that eventually destroys everything and plunges us back into the stone age?

Sont buy land if you cant afford it. Buy if you can pay it all off in 15 years.

Youre better off buying gold coins. Gold bars can be seized by the government. They see it as "mobey laundering"

Gold coins makes you a collector.

Diversify your shit and buy silver too. Silver is currency, can be used in electronics and medacine and will always be a sound investment.

>Jew shilling for communism

Imagine my shock

luxuries will be available to those with jobs

>working a a shit tier dead end factory job so the kikeboss is pleased, never do anything which is in you nature, live a miserable life, fucking die.
>having all the time for personal grown, meditation, martial arts, arts and crafts, studying and traveling the world.

You really need to think hard between these two huh?

>m-muh gold will always be valuable
Can I interest you in some self-lubricating catheters, sir?

>dislikes communism
>is an EU welfare leech
every single time

>for everyone
lol m8 the instant military and police is fully automated the technocrats will diminish commoners to serfs
There will not be equality

>unlimited resources
ummm wrong, sweety

(((Zuckerberg))) supports it so you know it's good for the average white goy...

independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/mark-zuckerberg-universal-basic-income-harvard-commencement-speech-facebook-president-bid-a7757781.html

Run them through an archive
archive.is/JWKsH

Yes, that's the idea.

In an environment where necessary labor is fully automated, or at least automated to the point where UBI is necessary to prevent massive poverty, artistic jobs and new forms of income generation (think patreon) will take the place of necessary labor in providing money for luxuries.

That's the difference between a semi-capitalist system with a UBI and holistic socialism.

You progressives and your utopian fantasies. Wew!

Thanks you archive bot. I didn't do it because I knew you would do it for me

wait so your only argument against it that someone you dislike supports it?

need I remind you that this is an 18+ site?

I'd rather humanity take a second to think about what we're running headlong towards. A machine that is as smart, as agile, and as strong as a man (or smarter, more agile, and stronger) is not a good thing. It's like creating a new hominid that is better than us.

Just because we CAN do something doesn't mean we should do something.

Leverage crispr. Go full on human eugenics, and come up with a mechanism to keep the population in check (this seems to be happening naturally anyway). At least that way, the future is ours. I want the stars. Not free shit from (((them)))

No they fact that a rich tech oligarch pro open borders pro white genocide jew supports it. Also the fact that UBI is a literal communist scheme to abolish work and bring about the material conditions for communism.

>A machine that is as smart, as agile, and as strong as a man
That's retarded. AI and robotics don't need to even remotely approach human intellect to be trained to do the necessary work with minimal supervision.

If you think neural nets trained to do specific jobs are in any way equivalent to a human brain you should probably just not talk about automation.

>for everyone

This is the problem, Jew. The first country to implement UBI will receive a biblical flood of immigrants if unchecked. The modern dogma of openness is incompatible with the idea of UBI.

I always think of the scene from 'Terminator 2- Judgement Day' where John Connor sees the two little kids playing with toy guns and he turns to the T-800 and says "We're not gonna make it, are we? People, I mean." And the T-800 replies, "It is in your nature to destroy yourselves."

It is different this time robots will literally be able to do everything. I think there will still be one person watching the robots action if it needs to check on something that is extremely critical. It could end up being for ever 1 job that requires a human it will replace 100 or whatever it is depending on the situation but its going to be inevitable. Its going to suck dick because UBI is going to be given to niggers and I don't like that at all. If this was a white only nation I wouldnt be so against UBI because I'd at least know that the majority of the country would be trying to do something productive.

You'll get distracted from that by various tricks and propaganda. Hell, those things you listed ARE the distraction. Those things will have no impact on the human future. How seriously do you think education and human achievement would be taken when the machines do everything

The video is pretty grim actually, it states clearly that where UBI is not a possibility, we are heading into the largest and longest period of wealth inequality humanity has ever faced, to the point where the lives of the majority start, in fact, not becoming any better anymore. Of course, It's easier to think of that scenario if you actually live in a third world shithole.

There's already things like iCEO (hbr.org/2015/04/heres-how-managers-can-be-replaced-by-software), also shown in the video, that literally replace middle management white collar jobs most Republicans love to boast about. Welders are actually less replaceable than most skilled computer workers. This is no utopian fantasy, it's an Orwellian nightmare.

>t. code monkey

I support UBI IF billionaires pay the majority

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So what does the human bring that the machine does not?

More specifically, what does the AVERAGE human have that the machine does not?

The kings and bankers finally no longer need the peasant. What do you think happens to the peasant?

what? literally what about everything you wrote...

your argument is that we must sit in a boring grey cubicle... because... reasons??

Are you fucking dumb? The one percent already pays the majority of the taxes. Also I hope you mean kikes, and you're not one of the retards who says elites or billionaires instead of jews.

>money has value
>money for free

pick one

It's coming whether you want it or not, if America decided to fall behind, Russia and China will build these robots (also as part of their military programs)

The NIT is where only a poor person who was left without a job because the modern job crises receives $15,000 a comfortable living because they were in need.

The UBI is where millionaires and billionaires like mark cuckstain receive $3000 in their mailbox and the poor cant afford shit because its ""universal"" and had to pay for everyone rather than targeting the people who were screwed over by the automated economy.

Nice welfare system UBI cucks.
You didnt think it through too much.

Do you think your overlords will pay to keep you around forever?

>tumblr
time to kys

I'm not convinced. I'd like it to be.

But leftist are such cunts they'll say nah these people and those people can't have it because they're 'rich' or too white and male.

So people won't vote for it.

you don't get free money, you get a free house, car, food, internet and everything in between because it takes literally no people to make those things, those are mass produced at 0 cost.

It should be anathema. It SHOULD be like EMP weapons or closing the Bosphorous.

>We won't have any jobs left to go around
Incorrect, as technology improves, Marginal Product of Labor increases, thus it becomes more costly to not hire more people (aka the substitution effect).
>but we will have unlimited technology and resources for everyone FOREVER.
Are you intentionally trying to be retarded?
There aren't even enough (finite natural) resources on earth for the whole world to live like an American, let alone the resource consumption of high-tech futurism.
The population has to fall to below 1 Billion people (probably even less) to be sustainable and/or comfortable.

Who pays for it? If nobody is working, who pays for it?

The only cost is your ability to change your station in life.

>The kings and bankers finally no longer need the peasant
You're missing that the "bankers and kings" are mortal. If, in a full automation environment, they try to abandon the masses there's basically only two outcomes:
1) the masses revolt and either destroy everything or seize the means of production
2) the masses are eradicated and humanity dies with a few rich pricks

>DON'T WORK GOYIM JUST CONSUME AND LEAVE YOUR ECONOMY TO US
No thanks kike, I'd sooner crash the economy through extreme depopulation.
Jews and muds first.

who pays? generations before ours who contributed to the technolofgy we have today.
they suffered in shit tier jobs and now we can afford to ditch them.

who payed? our ancestors.

Genetic engineering is coming along nicely anyway, but us being several times better than we are now won't dent automation's advance.

And we won't reach the stars without such automation, anyway. Fusion and high-end Artificial Narrow Intelligence are both just as vital as extensive genetic editing to expand into space.

yeah so we'll do That when robots exist

and assuming robots create this utopia you think will exist then we don't need UBI because everything will be free because robots do all the labor and harvest all the materials required to make things

but this idea that we should try to force things into existence like one world governments and universal healthcare under the assumption that world peace will continue indefinitely is the biggest failure of globalist ideologies
most globalist plans are all working under the assumption that world peace can be achieved and if we just get rid of the backwards thinking barbaric nationalists than we can achieve utopia

the problem is they're workin against human nature
the uneasy world peace we have is not going to last for long
and assuming we don't destroy the human race with nuclear weapons world war 3 won't be the last war
there will be many wars after that and many failed globalist organizations trying to assure world peace
humans will never stop killing and stealing from each other and any systems that work against human nature are exercises in futility

Those are the outcomes. Neither future seems particularly sunny.

The deception here is to draw focus towards UBI. That's the carrot they'll use to get the masses to accept automation and AI research that should never be done. It is Pandora's box, but humans can't fucking help themselves but look inside.

Would you accept automation to the nth degree and sentient AI research without the free shit? I don't think anybody would.

its like the intro of a fucking dystopia

I swear I just don't get this Malthusian pessimism for humanity's future.

And just like the man himself got blindsided by the Industrial Revolution, all the doomsayers today haven't a clue of the scale things can comfortably reach once we have the tech.

>t. globalist

>Malthus was worried about something completely unrelated.
>Malthus was wrong to be worried
>Therefore, there's nothing to worry about if we replace every meaningful action a human can perform with a robot.

Come back when you learn to think deeper than what you're told.

The logic is more ancap than anything. Building a sentient AI violates the NAP if you're not retarded. It is a direct attack on our livelihoods and our future.

Nukes are less dangerous.

Let's give people nothing to do and fuel their degenerate life styles

Oh boy, rip civilization

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>forcing other nations to abandon technological progress is ancap

why are burgerfats so retarded

>signing up to kill your own people so you'd have a job and not starve

What the fuck do you mean by progress? Is building a bomb to destroy your house progress?

This isn't progress. It's suicide.

1. Make Robots
2. Implement them in workplaces to substitute old workers when they retire
3. When all workers retire you'll get all jobs to robots
4. Humans in the meantime are teach to be space engineers and develop spaceships, while the most intelligent ones became scientists.
5. Humanity adquire to travel to other planets comfortly while robots do all the manual and unpleasent jobs which doesn't require human activity.

You can achieve that killing all niggers, degenerates and non-whites during the process too.

UBI will never exist as it's proponents like to claim. If it's implemented (and I think it's pretty likely it will be) it'll be designed to allow the bare necessities of life with no ability to provide for a family to facilitate a rapid population reduction so the very richest can live in their own private utopia consisting of the entire planet in a few generations.

Hell yes.

>we should give up weapons

Is that the new right-wing talking point?

Who is providing the money and tax income so that everyone can have an income, a car, etc. If nobody is working?

You still haven't answered this question. No bullshit cryptic message this time either.

No.
The west will collapse before any UBI is implemented.

>unlimited resources
No

It's not a talking point you dipshit. I'm trying to explain to you that there are things that can be done that should not be done. Do you deny this?

I posit that full automation and sentient AI are such things.

I've never seen anyone argue that UBI should cover anything but the bare necessities.

>a private utopia for the rich

This exists already

war is inevitable
robots taking over is pretty inevitable as well but war might make that never happen

and like I said at the beginning if robots are going to take over all jobs and create a world where human labor is unnecessary than everything will become free anyways and currency will become obsolete

ofc that model of the future will not work if we don't cut the human population by a few hundred million and find a new convenient energy source to power all these robots
and idk what makes you think that just because the governments of today create UBI that the rich people that rule the world in the future (in the case that the other model of the future, think Elysium movie, is correct) won't decide they don't want to give away their money to poor people anymore.

>we shouldn't have weapons
K, dumbfuck.

>AI
Is not remotely necessary for full automation. Why are burgersharts so tragically terrible at understanding basic STEM concepts? You think a drone that brings you parcels or a machine that takes your McDonald's order has the capacity of a human brain?

I've seen many arguments that UBI should pay at or close to the median wage. There isn't going to be an economy if 95% of the population can't afford luxury goods.

>This exists already
The second part of that statement is kinda a key qualifier there.

>Kurzgesagt
Always comfy. Even if I dislike some of their political messages they still put out nice litte works of quality.

No, that's a pipe dream. UBI will be half of what you can get on Neetbux, ie barely enough to cover food you cook at home and rent a small apartment outside the major urban areas or flatshare inside them.

I have a physics Ph.D. Believe me, I understand the concepts.

I'm not threatened by the drone or the McDonalds machine. You're more or less right that strong AI is the real worry. Even today, things like Watson are creepy smart.

theoretically, if robots are able to take over all jobs, including the jobs that produce energy and raw materials and all manufacturing jobs
and the robots are solar powered and can fix themselves, or at least require very little maintenance, then all the products that are made by robot labor (which will be everything) will no longer require anyone to pay for it and currency will no longer exist
but like I said this will only be possible if the human population is drastically cut down and we can find much more efficient sources of energy

>Kurzgesagt
commie kikes

fuck you and fuck money handouts
if these idiots haven't learned a single thing from the fee food handouts that have been going in africa for the past 3 decades, they have no business telling shit to anyone about economy

The first areas to be automated will be service, logistics and manufacturing. The machines will involve a chain process, not a central unit remotely anything like AI.

So then we're back to rapid population decline because 100% of your money is spent on survival.

>We need more immigrants for work
>Automation will mean there won't be any work, so give everyone free shit
>People will be free to do art all day, yay equality!

This is gonna backfire so hard if it comes true
Fuck young people are so gullible

that 15k to unemployed is either hard to implement or easy to abuse. UBI set close to minimum wage could be affordable if it replaced current welfare.

Which is what we need retard. The planet has about 6 billions too many already and their offspring procreates at an explosive rate. The ideal earth population is about 2 billion people.
Automation and mass production will make the availability of raw resources even more of a problem

>mfw even if automation comes my job won't be able to be cut away
If anything those algorythms would make the work of a forester more outside again.

This is idiotic. Innovation in the information age simply means an advance in the fields of internet and computing, making the human facote for service related jobs involving a computer and the internet obselete. It has never meant to mean that human labor will be replaced altogether and wiped out by robots. Human labor participation won't cease to exist. It would simply shift to an industrial type of labor where skilled trades and dirty jobs become the new norm and service/office jobs are simply wiped out of existence or shrinked to a measly few. That means trade wages will become drastically lower in the coming decades and the majority of the population becomes an unwashed, dirty peasant doing heavy labor for their masters. Welcome to modern feudalism. There is nothing new under the sun.

The FIRST areas. The end game is more worrying to me, but that's maybe just because I'm kinda safe for awhile. If I was a laborer with labor tier intelligence, I'd be damn scared about what the future holds. Sure, some skilled trades will hold out for awhile. I could see a shift of some of those labor jobs to more creative/custom/hand made sort of production for luxury goods, but There's a lot of motherfuckers with IQs around 100 that are getting the short end of the stick. Their choices will be the UBI lifestyle, or nothing.

>Arts are a safe space from automation
I've got some bad news for you, user.
theaustralian.com.au/news/world/meet-emily-howell-classical-musics-virtual-composer/news-story/a92222790abee60aefa85c6b0f8c6bf7?nk=b4380d2297e88baa2ac54877f47464d1-1497038605
theguardian.com/small-business-network/2016/jul/22/written-out-of-story-robots-capable-making-the-news
theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/apr/19/robot-art-competition-e-david-cloudpainter-bitpaintr

You do realize that service, logistics and manufacturing are the majority of any first-world economy, right?

So you agree with my assessment that a good portion of the world is going to be forced into living a meaningless and featureless existence until they die for the sake of the people on the top. I don't know why you didn't just say that.

Why will we need 2 billion people when no one can afford to participate in the economy and essentially only serve as a drain on resources? You don't need 2 billion mouths to feed when there's nothing for them to do.

Most people are labor tier intelligent. Which is why genetic design will be a thing either way. For now, we need to focus on reducing the low IQ population without outright dystopian scenarios involving war and disease.

Of any economy genius
But there are also internally administrative jobs that don't result in any net profit to the state many of which I'd rather get rid of (especially jobs involving SJW degrees)

How about more birth control

you know what is a safe space from automation for a very long time?
those who build and program the machines

> a meaningless and featureless existence

That's already the case. You have to be the most spoiled 1st world millennial to not realize it.

>we need to pay parasites for nothing because soon barely anyone will have work
>we need to import 3d world migrants because soon we will have nobody to work
>t. leftard
It almost like if we didn't import shitskins - white population would control itself enough that everyone still had work with automation.

>3rd world migrants work

Kekd

This whole thing is already getting pretty fucking dystopian. We're talking about genetic engineering for the haves and the eventual extinction of the have nots.

Let's not paint this as any sort of highly moral course of action.

If resources become unlimited then there is no need for UBI genius. Unlimited resources means unlimited supply and therefore 0$

There is literally nothing wrong with genetic and social engineering.

The majority of workers in "developing nations" might have bleak lives but they do at least still have the opportunity for social mobility for themselves but more so for their children. The Chinese factory worker might have a shit job but when his father was a peasant farmer and his son has the opportunity to attend a university there is at least a purpose beyond living to die for him.

Social mobility is next to non-existent outside the West.