/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL

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How's it going folks? How are you planning securing your freedom?

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We're are my niggers at?

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Lol, sorry to hear mate, come to the states if they don't build a wall to keep you in before you're ready to cut loose.

I've always wanted to move to the states desu but as I always say, easier said than done, and I won't be in a position to do so for a while.

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Do you guy ever get tiered of politics because liberals no nothing about economics and conservatives want to control your social live?
I try really hard to teach the people around me about libertarianism but progress is slow because they like to deny facts.

gas yourselves retards

socialists please go

So, should small villages have their own currencies?

You guys are only slightly less worse than the communists.

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individualism is gay homo degenerate, if you seek yourself as a goal you are just masturbating. Get some higher values.

They already do
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania,_Northern_Cape

That's McGas™ to you, bootlicker

If they choose to, yes. Currently you are in big trouble if you make up a new currency because that means the government cant tax you. And boy they get angry if they cant steal as they used to.

If taxes become to high people start to barter. It isn´t a very efficient way of trading but the only way to not get jailed.

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I wonder when you guys will realize that libertarianism is a passive slave ideology and nationalism is the true way towards liberation. Maybe never.

>I want the liberty to grow rich and you can have the liberty to starve
Well, yes, exactly. I also have the liberty to starve, and you also have the liberty to starve.
Any other way, and you have the liberty to freeload while I have no liberty at all - I'm your slave.

You have to set yourself up first before doing anything for others, manchildren.

Of course it's passive, the strong survive, the weak die. Simple. NatSocs, on the other hand, support vagrants in the name of socialism.

>implying libertarians can't be ethnic nationalists

who /heroin/ here lol?

I love capitalism
Germany exports good shit in Lidl from all over the Europe, so I can feed myself and not puke like from the local Babiš stores

>Libertarianism is a passive slave ideolgy
>slave ideology
Says the Sven who literally wants to live in a society where his life, actions and property are not is own, but can be commanded by whatever faggot Fuehrer declares himself the 'voice of the Volk'.
As for passive, well, you know how reasonable, measured and proportionate is the response we AnCaps have to NAP violations. Good luck forming your militaristic socialist shithole state when as soon as you try to tax someone to pay for your ebic Panzer tank fleet, a dozen private militaries, vigilante corps and McPolice companies swoop in and vie for the privilege (and profit) of liberating whoever you tried to enslave from you with extreme prejudice.

This is to me the biggest misconception about libertarianism. Very many people think that if there is no welfarestate you will just die if you are poor or diabled.
If we look back at a time before the welfarestate developed we can see that poor people didn´t just starve to death.

But why?

People help eachother, not because they are selfless but because they are selfish. It fills you with great joy to bring someone elses life back on track and it gives you peace of conscience if you provide for the poor.

The welfarestate takes away your responsebility to provide for someone else but also said joy.

>You have to set yourself up first before doing anything for others.

I don't disagree with this, it initially has nothing to do with "doing things for others", it's a technical thing. The problem is that anclaps et al. think they are sovereign individuals when really they are functions of their ethnic context. Man is a social machine, his values are cultural. Ignoring this is what leads to degenerate behaviours in society.

>t. swedish intellecutal

>the strong survive, the weak die

Why do libertarians insist on slave morality like non-aggression then?

Only the lefties bother me because they knowingly want a bigger state. Conservatives don't bother me because I agree with them on econ. They can't crush my freedom, they're too cucked. They let Commies teach their kids that being a tranny is ok, so they're not gonna stop me from smoking weed.

Peace is more cheaper than war

>The problem is that anclaps et al. think they are sovereign individuals when really they are functions of their ethnic context. Man is a social machine, his values are cultural. Ignoring this is what leads to degenerate behaviours in society.
You fucking idiot. If man is a social machine and his values are cultural, would he not participate in social and cultural events in a voluntary society? If he is inclined to do so, and if he can do so, then he will do so. So why the fuck would you need a state to force people to socialize and participate in cultural events?

Ancaps are fruitcakes. Just look at the shit they post.

>Man is a social machine, his values are cultural.
There is some truth in this. But would you rather your society be based on
>We all agree, our values are the best. So we'll all get along, and anyone who doesn't share these values - well, we don't have to deal with him.
or
>OUR VALUES ARE THE BEST AND THE MOST REASONABLE AND THEY'RE SO GOOD THAT ANYONE WHO EXPRESSES DISSENT OR DOESN'T CONFORM WILL BE SHOT

ancaps understand nationalism from diferent categories than filthy statist, which can't think outside of their religion

When are you guys going to start linking Curt Doolittle in the OP?
He really needs to finish his damn book.

Yeah well your states culture is to promote shitskins breeding your women. I don't want any of that. I'll decide what's best for my kin. You think you're fighting the ZOG, in reality you're just shilling to give them more control over your fate, and it ends with your extinction.

>peace is cheaper than war

It's sometimes cheaper than war, sometimes it's more expensive. Why make it about morality? It's economic. War occurs when the value of war exceeds the value of peace.

You think I haven't heard this?
The state is a human organization, completely analogue to a corporation. ALL organizations get corrupted by jews, parasites and fags because there is no higher cultural cohesion like ethnicity, history, blood. You're just a dumb word-thinker.

I am a nationalist, a REAL one and not a phony nation-state loving cuck like yourself.

Values are created culturally.

Which kike libertarian is the best to learn from? Peter Shiff, Rothbard, Rand, Von misus, Freidman?

Rothbard and Mises are approved people here. Exercise caution with the other two.

You want an easy way out. You want a ""nation"" just not YOUR nation. You don't pick your ethnicity. You are not a unique cosmic snowflake sent into the universe to find you soulmates. It's about YOUR blood, soil, genes, friends, coworkers, barbers, lawyers.. that's how it has to start.

>Values are created culturally.
YES you mong, on the whole this is true.
Why that should mean I have to pay 90% of my income to the government, not be able to run a business as I see fit, have to sacrifice my life in unnecessary aggressive wars, and hail the fucking Fuehrer, is beyond me.

Hoppe and Rothbard for economics, Rand for individualist ethics.

Rothbard and Mises are the best of the 5 you listed. Just ignore the other 3; they're not important.

The government is corrupt because of lack of nationalism. The very same thing that would corrupt alternative forms of economic organization.

How are my liberty lovers doing today?

Libertarians aren't opposed to war, they're opposed to starting it
>sometimes cheaper than war
Give me a situation (historical) where it's more expensive to maintain peace. inb4 Huns

it just got real

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Neck yourself Sven.

You'll want to ignore Friedman and the other statists. Their views account for the irrationality of the real world too much. The goal is to win internet arguments within a purely theoretical framework, afterall.

How exactly do you corrupt a society where there are
>no permanent institutions
>no means by which to censor or control speech
>no centralized education system
>no distribution system for propaganda
>people will Tomahawk you for trespassing on their lawns
I'd like to see you try. The ONLY way you could change the basic culture and ideas of a truly free society is by intellectual argument, by spreading ideas that are superior to the ones that already exist. And if your ideas are superior, then they damn well ought to spread.

>Give me a situation (historical) where it's more expensive to maintain peace. inb4 Huns

This is dumb, why do you think wars start? Out of stupidity? People that don't prepare to defend themselves should be punished, and they are!

Yes I know. you must be mistaking me for some blue haired faggot. Real nationalism is a natural phenomena, it has nothing to do with fascism or forced collectivism. I don’t pick my ethnicity just as faggots like you don’t pick my nation. Get it through your fucking head or get lost, socialist scum.

>no permanent institutions
>no means by which to censor or control speech
>no centralized education system
>no distribution system for propaganda
>people will Tomahawk you for trespassing on their lawns

I don't accept that this is what follows from ancap suggestions. If massive consolidation of power into a small number of institutions could occurr in the first place, what's to keep it from happening in ancaptown?

>Left-Libertarians, and other Shit-Libs need to fuck off.

u skur'd, bitch? Keep pandering to assholes willing to bulldoze you into mass graves.

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What are you even saying?

Wars start because someone wants to change the status quo. Hitler wanted more land, so he started a war with Poland. Would you rationalize that as Germany defending itself?

what did he mean by this

>Would you rationalize that as Germany defending itself?

No, next question.

It seems we don't disagree then.

Something a Swedish intellectual like you is to smart too understand

Preparing to defend yourself is the point of libertarianism. Defensive force is perfectly acceptable. The NAP also refers to the threat of aggression. That means if you merely threaten me, it's ok to retaliate.

In a word: Freedom. All the biggest, baddest institutions, organizations and monopolies, from the NKVD to the Federal Reserve, have always depended for their survival on coercion, expropriation, taxation, slavery - the opposite of freedom. Without the ability to make people pay you or obey your orders at gunpoint, nobody could build any organization or hierarchy bigger than people allowed it to be. We see this in economics, when the free market leads to many competing firms while a controlled 'mixed economy' leads to one or two giants being able to dominate everyone else for decades at a time.

>Real nationalism is a natural phenomena
Nation states weren't firmly established till like the 16th century... the fact that humans are tribal prevented nations from emerging for a long time since people can't be bothered to care for strangers farther away than their village

Yes, aggression is often legitimate.

When is aggression legitimate? What circumstances (besides preemptive self defence) justify it?

you're a totalitarian scumbag that wants to force a national identity among people who have nothing to do with each other. You're the same as the people forcing multiculturalism and civic "nationalism"

Your country is being raped. why don't you take care of your own people instead of trying to "awake" us to allying with people who have no real genetic connection to us.

>>>/leftypol/
Fuck off, you make yourself too obvious
Back in the Golden Era, us NatSocs and Libertarians were united against the international jew.

the initiation of aggression is what is banned. That means only voluntary relations are allowed. If people are voluntary and someone comes along and threatens to steal your shit or kill you, you have the right to fuck his shit up, period.

he ment that he resents us for not tolerating tranny acceptance.

You've changed the point to be agreed upon. Aggression is always an illegitimate response that deserves to be met with an opposite defensive reaction.

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>In a word: Freedom.

Literal retard. You're gonna look dumb saying that when you get lynched by people that understand the true meaning of economics and the meaningless of big words.

>Back in the Golden Era, us NatSocs and Libertarians were united against the international jew.

libertarians are leftist and nothing has stopped when it comes to the international banking system. You're just too jaded by your brainwashing to see past it. left-libertarianism is "right"-libertarianism's final form.

Nation-states aren't nations.

get out now. i literally can't even. I'm shaking.

>Stop worrying about yourself and worry about the things I find important instead.

wtf i hate ancap now

DELET

I miss libertardian threads, they're so cozy.
Anything not to have yet another Drumpf General.

You are preaching rootlessness. Ethnic identity is all what you are, it is the source of the vapid preferences that you would base "alliances" on.

Improper defenses are an illegitimate response that deserves to be met with an aggressive reaction.

reeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEE
So, thugs who go around lynching people are the ones who truly understand the world? While I, with my 'big words', am powerless?
Tell that to any bunch of savages that's ever tried to go head to head with a free, rational, technological society. My family was among the original colonists of Rhodesia. We have quite a history of that sort of conflict.

How does meek defense justify an aggressive reaction?

>Ethnic identity is all what you are
I am what I decide I am, cunt. If I want to be a collectivist, then I will be a collectivist. If I want to be an independent individual, then I will be an independent individual. Stop preaching your totalitarian garbage and get the fuck out -- you're never going to convince any of us to adopt to your philosophy of slavery, and I couldn't care less about living next to a white if it meant giving up my freedoms, shithead

>free, rational, technological society.

That entire society is built by people that understand realpolitik. It's shaped by Clausewitz, Bismarck, Machiavelli, Sun Tzu.. infinitely more than it is shaped by impotent ideologues. Besides, weren't you arguing against the permanent institutions, centralized education, propaganda system.. that maintains that society?

By creating an incentive. The positive value of violent takeover of property is greater than the negative value of losses in fighting.

>I am what I decide I am

Retard. And I am what I decide that I decide that I decide... that I am.

I'm not surrounded by an all white community, My nation state is a bunch of niggers spics and gooks. THEY ARE NOT MY PEOPLE YOU IDIOT. THEY ARE NOT A PART OF MY ETHNIC IDENTITY. My family came to this country 4 generations ago, my roots have been killed off, there's nothing to go back to don't you see? I must create the new community with my own individualism. I must start from scratch. You have zero perspective of what I am and where i came from so stop pretending you know shit.

>The positive value of violent takeover of property is greater than the negative value of losses in fighting.
Exactly, that's why libertarianism allows for a defensive response.

>successful societies are built by people that understand realpolitik, not impotent ideologues
>who were the Founding Fathers
>What is America
>What is the most economically successful society in history
>What is the greatest international hegemony that has ever existed

>aren't you arguing against the permanent institutions, centralized education, propaganda system.. that maintains that society?
Permanent institutions aren't what create or maintain society. People create society, and ideas create people. China had permanent institutions for 4000 years, and where did that get them? They got BRIT'd and then turned into a communist shithole. Whereas the West had Aristotle, which through Thomas Aquinas led to the Renaissance, the Scientific Revolution, individualism, freedom, philosophy, the Enlightenment, the Industrial Revolution...
Ideas matter. In the long term, they're the only thing that matters.

>Retard. And I am what I decide that I decide that I decide... that I am.
what the fuck are you going on about?

The fundamental assumption is that charity is somehow forbidden in a Libertarian society. Not only is voluntary charity allowed and endorsed, but less charity would be needed due to a market free from income taxes and draconian regulations.

The problem is that a preponderance of Jews cannot be allowed into the nation. Jews will always exploit freedoms for the sake of making the people of a nation into slaves.